The Khalsa Fauj

Your points are very very childish. As for eating meat, it is puratan marayda. No one can change it. It is a marydad that has been followed since Guru Nanak Maharaaj.

There is mostly only one interpretation but at places we can have multiple interpretations depending on how the word is defined. However, in those cases, there usually isn't a big difference in the interpretation.

SGPC should form a scholarary group so we can have way more accurate translations. WE have a Punjbai version by Prof. Sahib Singh but none like that in English. Punjabi one took 300 years for the first complete one. Lets see how long it takes for the English one. Maybe another 20 years.

Beechaar has various meanings but here it means contemplation, in other words, reflection. Reflect on what the Shabad says. That Shabad sounds like it is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji.

Don't compare the guy to ghugga. This guy is messed like some ..... who think Sikhs are hindus. He thinks sikhs are christians. Same thing. All of these guys know that Khalsa is the best so they try to merge the Khalsa into their religion. This guy is just after some fame and money. Nothing else.

Beechaar doens't mean meditation. Beechaar there means contemplation. The English translation are really wrong. They are really misleading.

Bandi Shor actually happened near the end of November or December. Why are people celebrating the trutn or raam chander? Why do people cry when Hindus say Sikhs are kesadhari hindus? Stop doing hindu things and no one will say Sikhs are hindus. Lighting candles or wick lamps has been rejected by Gurbani. Light the divine SHabd inside.

Flouin beeaad aoul da wae. (UK Style)! Flowing beard all the way (Canadian style)!

Who is going to take action against other Panth dokhis who make and preach their own maryada?

The word is parvaan. Bhog comes from brhmane maryada which is done to ststues. We say parvaan hoavay. Bhog also means pleasure, of course you are going to enjoy the food. Bhog isn't the right word here.

Naw, I don't mind! No need for gusaa here. As for Ghugga, he has accepted his mistakes according to my sources and will change those things in the future publications. That is what I have heard, other than that. I don't know. Lets wait and see if he changes them or not. As for the protest. I went around 1:10. No one was there. The owner said he cancelled the program as there was a danger of fight. For the goras, we are just a tamasha. We need to learn better and make better decisions. Sikhs are ruining their own image.

Answers aren't good enough and manglacharan/moolmantar is up to Gurparsaad. Shows the lack of knowledge.

Yea, but not as much as those guys who make their own maryadas and cause long term problems in Panth.

Baldebee turned it down because he had big property in India which was going to be left there. In other words, he ditched the Panth for his personal motives. Just like a lot of people and jathas.

Pritam, are you jealous or are you a banwagon type of guy? Did Bhagat Fareed do Jaap of Waheguru mantar? How about Namdev and all of the other Bhagats. None of them got mukat? Even seen a chardi kala nihung? They always do jaap of Gurbani.

It would also be appreciated if those who place Dasam Granth besides Guru Granth Sahib Ji be summoned and taken care of.

Other knowledge is worldy knowledge. There are coutless other naams and Gurus. However, they are not Satnaam or SatGurus. As for Pritam Singh, the guy doesn't even know Punjabi, yet tries to cause beef. Pritam, do you follow tria chariters?

Yea! It would be best to have more debates with him and get him to accept the facts. This protesting will only make him more stronger. He wants attention and he will get it. Try to understand! These guys can't be convinced by protesting or force. I went to some guy's house some time ago, he was there. Me and my dad talked about how Guru Gobind SIngh Ji wrote about krishan and stuff. He didn't say it is not Gurbani. As for the quote you posted AKJforever, read it again. The whole Shabad is talking about on following the teachings of Guru Ji. As for how I would aarth that line, I posted above and will post again: Waheguru is Gurmantar, agreed! What is Waheguru? Great Guru. Who is Great Guru? Gurbani. So Gurbani is the Gurmantar, reciting it removes ego. We must understand the deeper aarth. As for leaving me alone, I don't care. I am used to taking a lot of stuff from others. He is still our, so no problem if anyone from us wants to bash me or pick on me.

For me, reciting Gurbani is naam jupnaa but I have no problem with someone doing Waheguru Jaap if they want as long as they take out time to read and understand Gurbani. Doing Japuji Sahib recitation or recitation of other Shabads and Banis is Naam Jupnnaa accroding for me. Waheguru Jaap is the start as it is easy to concentrate on 1 word. My mission is to concentrate on reciting Banis. We do Waheguru Jaap during Amritvela to get the mind going so we can focus on Gurbani from the start. If we don't do WaheGuru Jaap for some time before Nitneim, then the concentration comes around the time we reach 8th Pauri. Waheguru Jaap also clears the mind and makes it fresh. However, I don't agree with doing Waheguru Jaap 24/7 or even 2 hours as we don't get any Gurmat Gyan and don't connect with Gurbani. We must spend every time we can to learn Gurbani and memorize it.

Aren't you the one suporting Maan Pehova wala? The rapist? Use the analysis there buddy. ------------------------ So Guru Ji fell for a Sikh's sharda and lost control over himself? no guru ji did not loose control over himself. where does it say that guru sahib lost control? Guru Ji didn't even see the thorn? no guru ji did not see the thorn --- Guru Ji knows everything. Trust me. Where were the shoes? there were no shoes Kharava are hard to walk with for us. But those who are used to it. No prob. The fact is that Guru Ji wore wooden footwear, therefore, there is no chance of getting a thorn through them. The kharavan you are talking about are open from the sides. try walking with a sole (shittar) in a field and you will know how much protection they offer -- If it was field, there would be no thorns. Khets don't have thorns. Ever worked in the field? Also, if it was field, then why was there need for Guru Ji to run? Couldn't Guru Ji tell Bhai Lehna where the blood was from? Proof was needed? did guru sahib not tell bhai lehna? ---- Re-read. What it means is that why did Guru Ji have to call the guy who was reciting Gurbani? Proof was needed? Bhai Lehna had no sharda in Guru Ji? thats a typical ghagha style of debate. WHO SAID Bhai Lehna JI had no sharda in Guru Ji? The story is trying to prove it. Have sharda on no one exept Guru Sahib and Akaal. Everyone else makes mistakes. I made a mistake before too. Thinking Ghugga is good after listening to some of his files. He does mixed parchaar. I got fooled by the good stuff he said. The bad stuff he said has popped up. Same way, I supported taksal but when the stuff like dasam granth came up, it was too much. You can interpret these small stories to make them seem okay. They will seem okay only. Not great. However, you can not justify trai chariter which leaves with nothing but in punjabi terms: Sharam Naal Paani Paani Hoa Jaaana! Both sides are wrong. Ghugga and Taksal. Admit it.

Ghugga is messed, I know. He is influenced by communism, looks like. So there is no need to place me in the same category as him. Here are the diffrences between me and him. Ghugga: Guru Ji ate halal || Me: Never Ghugga: Guru Ji fainted || Me: No chance Ghugga: No need to do Gurbani Jaap|| Me: Yes, Gurbani jaap is a must Ghugga: No such thing as Shakti|| Me: Yes, there is shakti Ghugga: Gurbani not for curing diseases || Me: Yes, Gurbani can.Gurbani Shabad can even make dead alive. Ghugga: No need to Ardass || Me: Ardass is an integral and internal part of the Panth! No, clue. Maybe you do.

This is from Damdami Taksal Rehat marayda. Panthic maryada doesn't have anything like that in there. As for the interpreting part: We can do the same thing with Ghagga's points. As for Dasam Granth debate, anytime. Bring the nirmala. Now lets look at the Sher? version of the Sakhi: "now lets look at what sant ji actually wrote... they wrote bhai lehna was massaging guru nanak dev jis feet" Why was Guru Ji getting massage? Guru Ji got tired? Similar to what Ghugga says. I have never heard of this thiugh. Maybe the baba wanted to get some massage so he tried to make a point that massages are good to get from people. "and Guru nanak dev jis foot had some blood on it. Bhai Lehna asked Guru Sahib what happened. Guru sahib is like go call this singh. so they called the singh. and Guru Nanak dev ji was like this singh was reciting paath with so much prem pyaar and sharda that i was following him around and listening to him recite baani. The Singh was working in a field and I stepped on a thorn while following the Singh, thats where the bloods from. " So Guru Ji fell for a Sikh's sharda and lost control over himself? Guru Ji didn't even see the thorn? Where were the shoes? The fact is that Guru Ji wore wooden footwear, therefore, there is no chance of getting a thorn through them. Couldn't Guru Ji tell Bhai Lehna where the blood was from? Proof was needed? Bhai Lehna had no sharda in Guru Ji? Guru Ji did farming himself, hard work, something the Babas don't do. Guru Nanak Dev Ji did farming and did parchaar at other times. Guru Angad Dev Ji was trader. Guru Amardasss Ji was a shop keeper. Guru Raamdaas Ji was a shop keeper. etc. etc. All Guru Sahibs did kirat to set an example for Sikhs. When war times came, Guru Ji had to quit the other job and lead the army of Sikhs. This is a kirat too. What kirat does any saad baba do or did? As for the jeaonwala guy people talk about, he is related to Gyani Gurbachan Singh so he knows a lot about him. I can't download Harbans Singh book. I got dial up internet. The files are too big. I will download them on Monday from University.

Hukamnama tells to not have roti beti di saanjh. So relax. Before, you tell me to take Khalsa out of my name, I tell you to take Sher and Khalsa out of your name. Watch your hands before you type that type of stuff again. Understood? Excommunication means not to have roti beti di saanjh. Giani Bhagwan Singh, head granthi Darbar Sahib, talks to the Spokesman guy. So he is no longer part of the Panth? Simranjit Singh Mann talks to spokesman guys, he is out of the Panth? Couldn't answer so now you are on to attacking me personally?

Punj Pyare are only 5 Pyare if they follow and promtoe Gurmat. If some guys come dressed up as 5 pyare and tell you that it is okay to cut hair, are you going to listen? If they say that bow to ashutosh or whatever, are you going to listen? If they say worship statues, are you going to listen? If they say, Akaal Takht shouldn't be followed, are you going to listen? The answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! As for Waheguru Gurmatar Hai Jupp Haumai Khoaa-ee. Wahe(great) Guru which is Gurbani is the Guru Mantar, reciting it, ego is removed. Doesn't say to recite one word! Jupp MunSatnaam, Sadaa Satnaam, Halat Palat Mukh Ujjal Hoa-ee Hai. According to that, which one do you do? Jaap of Satnaam or Waheguru? Guru Ji causing confusion in own Panth? I don't think so. The aarth must be understood. Deeper aarths must be understood.

Why is there no protest against Taksal? The usage of words such as “Badmaash” and derogatory slurs in reference to Guru Gobind Singh Ji. When and where did he say that? Or is this another lie? As for some of the other points, I understand. As for the halal thing and Guru Ji's shaheedi, he accepted his mistakes and has said that he would correct them. He has agreed to correct his mistakes but when is taksal going to correct its 100s of mistakes raised on your blog shinda. Also, the deleting of my posts and trying to screw me wasn't a wise decision either. I am not saying Ghugga isn't wrong, but he is still better than the thugs who say Guru Ji sucked puss, got fooled by a prostitute, worshipped durgaa, got kaschera from hanuman, Guru Ji promoted stealing (that why they steal money from Gurudwaras?), promoted looting, would have had sex with prostitute if it wasn't for the fear of having a child, etc. etc. All of Taksal marayda is messed. 1. Dasam Granth besides Guru Granth Sahib Ji 2. Changing Gurbani order in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. (e.g. the vivvad of mangalcharan first of raaj first) 3. Changing rehras and adding anti-Gurmat stanzas such as kirpaa karee hum put jugmaata into it. Sunay gung jo jaahai, etc. etc. Raam katha jug jug atal, etc. etc. 4. Calling Panthic maryada, British marayda. 5. Having joats, nareeals, flour, etc. (Pg. 108, 381 of Gurmukh parkash) 6. Saying Guru Amardas Ji used to suck puss out of Guru Aangad's toe. (Tauheen of Guru Maharaj, Ghoar Nindya) 7. 3.6 million mool mantar paath (who will count?, brahmanvaad) [Pg. 48, 123, 128-129, 449, 601, 619, 620, 624 of Gurmukh Parkash] 8. Guru Gobind Singh Ji breaking pitchers of women taking water to their homes. (Tauheen of Guru Maharaj, Ghoar Nindya) Pg. 73 of Gurmukh Parkash 9. Telling to join knees and feet when taking a piss and spitting to remove fear. (Pg. 81) 10. Guru Ji grabbing kesh and taking Sikh out of hell. (Pg. 91 of Gurmukh parkash) Is this why derawalas always go for beard or turbans when fighting? 11. Standing in water and doing tupp (Pg. 101 of Gurmukh Parkash) 12. Reading Sukhmani Sahib while standing on 1 leg (Pg. 129, 449 of Gurmukh Parkash) 13. Promotion of sampat paath (Pg. 204, 362, 363, 460, 584, 604, 612 of Gurmukh parkash) 14. 101 Akhand paaths (Pg. 275, 436, 440, 463, 465, 621, 636 of Gurmukh Parkash) 15. After listening to paath, removing clothing and leaving home to live in huts (Pg. 282, 286 of Gurmukh Parkash) 16. Having a separate row for Sadhus in Guru Ka Langar (Pg. 345 of Gurmukh Parkash) 17. Doing aarti after ardass (Pg. 352 of Gurmukh Parkash) 18. Parkash of 25 Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji at one time (Pg. 413, 414, 416, 419 of Gurmukh Parkash) 19. Maryada of 7 Akhand Paaths and 15 Akhand paaths (Pg. 418, 444 of Gurmukh Parkash) 20. Akhand paath every pooranmashi (Pg. 570 of Gurmukh Parkash) 21. Don't wear anything over kashera (Pg. 577 of Gurmukh Parkash) 22. Recitation of Akhand paath and Asa Ki Vaar at same time (Pg. 597 of Gurmukh Parkash) 23. Free to take sukha (bhung) (Pg. 631 of Gurmukh Parkash) Now lets move on to Gurbani Paath Darshan 24. Guru Nanak Ji born in kattak when it is actually visaakh (Pg. 9 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) All Sakhis say Visaakh except bala one. 25. Guru Har Rai Ji with 8 wives (Pg. 11 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 26. Khalsa Panth started by Guru Gobind Singh Ji (Pg. 19 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) How do we aarth "Nanak Nirmal Panth Chalaya" 27. One woman's husband died. She didn't let the sun rise until her husband was brought back to life. (Pg. 22 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Is that story right or Gurbani when it says "Jo upjeo So Binas Hai, Paro Aaj Ke Kal" 28. Mool Mantar is up to Nanak Hoasee Bhee Sach (Pg. 24 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 29. Nard Muni studied for 75,000 years (Pg. 30 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 30. Vaid Vyas did tup for 11,000 years. (Pg. 32 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 31. Asa Ki Vaar takes you of chaurasi (Pg. 34 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) What does other Bani do? 32. Bhagat Dhroo ruled for 36,00 years (Pg. 36 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 33. Baba Farid Ji got lice, mother took them out and stopped him from eating leaves. (Pg. 36 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Maha Paap 34. Farid hanged in a well and meditated for 13 years. (Pg. 36 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 35. Farid tied a roti of wood to his belly for 12 years. (Pg. 36 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 36. Bhai Himmat Singh had been cursed from previous life. God said that I will forgive you after taking your head. (Pg. 45 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Great Disrespect to Bhai Himmat Singh. 37. A Sikh named Gurbaksh Singh ran and called Mata Ji. She placed ptasas in Amrit and made it peaceful. (Pg. 46 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Meaning Guru Gobind Singh Ji made a mistake and Mata Ji corrected it?? Guru makes mistakes?? 38. Punj piaras said to Guru Ji that you are giving us praise just like Ram Chander gave praise to monkeys. (Pg. 47 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Straight attack on Khalsa Panth and disrespect to Sikhi by comparing Sikhs to monkeys. 39. British did mixtures and changing of Gurbani and spent millions to do it. (Pg. 57 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Who is questioning Gurbani now? 40. One time a shepherd was doing paath of Sohila while walking. This made Guru Nanak Ji bleed. Due to this, one must not recite Gurbani while walking. (Pg. 62 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 41. Ram Chander became happy at Hanuman and gave him kaschera, Sikhs got it from him. (Pg. 62 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) This is also what RSS says. Snatanists say this. 42. Kirpan should be worshipped using wick lamps. (Pg. 66 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 43. Tobacco grew from blood of kaamdhain cow when it bled due to being hit by an arrow. (Pg. 71 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) 44. Kalyug turned into a cow calf and got stuck in mud. Shiv Parbatee grabbed him from the ears and tail to pull him out. Ears and tail broke off. Tail was buried into the ground and both ears were attached at the top of the tail and said that this will turn into tobacco. (Pg. 71 of Gurbani Paath Darshan) Pure jokes. Nothing else. Dasam Granth says that those who don't take drugs are idiots and get fooled. It says that those who refuse to women go to hell. It says that those who lure women and take drugs know the way of life and that others are stupid. It says Jahagir was a very just emperor. (Was making Guru Arjan Dev Ji Sahaeed a justifiable act?) It says Sikhs are children of luv and kush. It says Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji went to Tribeni and berformed hindu rituals to have a son. It says those who read durga paath don't come into birth and death again. It says Guru Nanak was reincarnation of Vishnu. It says Mohammed came after Gorakh and Ramanand. It says Guru Angad Ji and Guru Amardass Ji were from a Bedi Khandaan. Natak says Mahakaal has 4 arms, scary voice, conch, drinks liqor, etc. etc. Kavan Narak, Kiaa Surag Bechara, Santan Dou Raadai! Hum Kaho Kee Kaan Na Kudtay, Upnay Gur Pursaaday! - 969 Being mislead again. Gurmat doesn't believe in some special Narak Surag. Jeevan without Gurmat = Narak, jeevan with Gurmat = Surag. Very simple and clear. "Khalsa Fauji WannaBe - Hates taksal but in front of Taksalis smiles and doesn’t say a thing." Well, I don't know why but most of the time, when I see taksalis. I can't control my laugh. So funny and so misguided. Misguided patriots of Panth. "Khalsa Fauji WannaBe - Says Taksalis started fight, but it was Ghugga’s men who through the first punch." I wasn't there but from the video, it looks like Taksal started the fight. That malton guy was looking to fight from the get go. The guy who yells at AKJs 24/7. He doesn't even respect Guru Granth Sahib Ji. As for that Joat Parkash guy, he agreed last year that anti-Panthic element is dasam granth has to be cleaned. All he wanted to debate about was Nanakshahi calendar. He also supported congress. He said he would call 10 vidvaans and have a debate. I said, bring it on star. "Khalsa Fauji WannaBe - It’s missionaries who run to western media to cause trouble!!" False allegations by the corrupt opposition party. Lost and now just making false allegations. "Khalsa Fauji WannaBe - See you in Narkh, where I will beat you with my Gandasaa." First of all, like I said, there is no narak that you are talking about according to Gurbani. Even if we accept it for the fun of it, how you going to get the gandasa there? How about taksal? When did they begin? 1920s? It was always called bhindra wala jatha because Sant Brahmgyani 108 Gurmat Maartund Maryada Purshotam Sundar Singh started this jatha. It was called bhindrawala jatha until until they started to get popular. Taksal doesn't even know who it is started by. Their books say, Bhai Mani Singh while their speeches say Baba Deep Singh. Baba Deep Singh did and ate jhatka all the time, he was messed??? Baba Deep Singh was leader of missal Shaheeda jathaybandi. Word damdami taksal isn't mentioned in any puratan granth. Infact, it isn't even mentioned in Mahan Kosh which was not written too long ago. Yes, I smile with the taksalis but when the time comes, I talk dasam granth with them too. Even talk about the use of word Sant. So what was the motive behind that statement? Doesn't make sence. Raaj Na Chaho Mukat Na Chaho Manpreet Charan Kumlaaray! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you agree to the following as it is stated in Dasam Granth? Dasam Granth says that those who don't take drugs are idiots and get fooled. It says that those who refuse to women go to hell. It says that those who lure women and take drugs know the way of life and that others are stupid. It says Jahagir was a very just emperor. (Was making Guru Arjan Dev Ji Sahaeed a justifiable act?) It says Sikhs are children of luv and kush. It says Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji went to Tribeni and berformed hindu rituals to have a son. It says those who read durga paath don't come into birth and death again. It says Guru Nanak was reincarnation of Vishnu. It says Mohammed came after Gorakh and Ramanand. It says Guru Angad Ji and Guru Amardass Ji were from a Bedi Khandaan. Natak says Mahakaal has 4 arms, scary voice, conch, drinks liqor, etc. etc. It is so easy to say "Questioning Bani" "Questioning Bani" All of Dasam Granth doesn't preach the same message as Jaap Sahib or same message as Tav Parsaad Swayas. In the old times, Guru Gobind Singh Ji's rachna was compiled in small pothis and not a granth. Read John Malcolm's book on Sikhs. He clearly states that so far Sikhs only have 1 granth to follow but in the future they will have two. What does that tell you about dasam granth? Read about Sikhs from the past. All historials have talked about Sikhs having 1 granth and reffering to it as Guru. Not 3 Gurus. It is Guru Manyo Granth, not Guru Manyo Granthaa Nu Talks about 1 granth and not 2 or 3. Prabhu SIngh, are you willing to accept the above points? I could write way more but I think those are enough. As for Raagmaala, I am not here to debate raagmaala but if you want to talk about that, I got no problems. Raagmaala issue was solved before and it is still easy to solve. Dasam Granth's writing suggest Raam, Shyam, Kal, etc. as the authors of various writings. E.g. 24 avtar mentions many times that poet Shyam is the author of the granth. E.g. Kirpa Kurr Shyam. The language of Tria Chariter is past tense and refers to Anandpur as a location of the past. Meaning it was written after Guru Ji leaving Anandpur. One of the chariters promtoes use of hair killing power which was released in New York in 1849. Guru Ji says: Andhay Aklee Baahray Kia, Tin Seo Kahee-aai|| Bin Gur Panth Naa Sooj-ee Kit Bidh Nirbahee-aai|| Khoatay Kao Khraa Khai Khray Saar Na jaanai|| Anday Kaa Nao Paarkhoo Kalee Kaal Vidaanai|| ----- 229 Dhrig Tinna Kaa Jeeveya Je Likh Likh Vaycheh Nao|| Khaytee Jin kee Ujrrai Khulwaaray Kia Thao|| Suchai Surmai Baahray Ugai Laheh Na Daade|| Akal Eh Naa AAkheeaai Akal Gvaa-eaai Baad|| Akalee Sahib Saiveeaai Akalee Paaeeaai Maan|| Akalee Purrh Kai Bujeeaai Akalee Keechai Daan|| Nanak Aakhai Rah Eh Hoar Gullaa Saitaan|| ----- 1245 Why aren't the jathas who preach their own maryada, get excommunicated from Panth? They reject the Panthic maryada so they reject the Panth meaning they reject the Guru. They also need to be excommunicated!