The Khalsa Fauj

Why is it against?? That is becuase it has been turned into a ritual like Brahmans do. It is manmut. Not Gurmat, thus it is contrary to Gurmat. He doesn't eat in Sarbloh because they are not allowed to. Has parents don't either. You aren't going to listen or admit. I know. As for going out of rehat. No Sikh goes out of rehat. Akaal Takht maryada is the rehat of Sikhs. Any other rehat maryada is anti and false. It is equal to maryada of Panth dokhis. Those who want to divie the Panth for their selfish wants and needs and motives. You want to eat is sarabloh only, go ahead. You want to force your kids to eat in sarabloh only? Go ahead. It is all up to you but don't force Sikhs to do so. Keep your AKJ marayda to yourself. If you want to do parchaar, do parchaar of Akaal Takht maryada. Guru Panth's maryada. Nanak Unday Seo Kya Kahee-aye Khay Naa Kaheyaa Boojai! Who are you to let me off the hook?? I won't let you or your jatha off the hook. When time comes, they will either accept Panthic maryada or go make their own dehdhari Gurudom like radaswamis and whatever. Khuar Hoaye sabh Milangaye Buchay Saran Jo Hoaye! You do it now, or you do it later, you got to follow Akaal Takht.

Do you want to talk to my friend sitting besides me?? He is a Brahman and doesn't eat in Sarabloh. Kesh has nothing to do with protection. I wouldn't be saying it, only a dehdhari chela would. Is the langar prepared at Darbar Sahib, prepared insarabloh??? How about at other Gurudwaras?? Is it served in Sarabloh??? AKJ Gurudwaras, yea. They don't follow Panth maryada anyways, so doesn't matter what they do. During the times of Guru Ji, there were many people joining Sikhi even though govt. was against them. RIght now, there is no one after them, but people don't join. Why?? Because of the divisions and stupid rehats like Sarabloh. Sarabloh is mentioned in Bhai Daya Singh rehtnama. Yea, so?? Anything that doesn't go according to Gurmat can't be Gurmat so can't be part of Khalsa's daily routine. Some facts: Ganga Sagar isn't Sarabloh. Guru Ji went to parchaar all over, Guru Ji wasn't carrying sarabloh baata and kaulas, and bultoahs to prepare and eat food in Sarabloh. Singhs used to eat in doonas and if you go to Ananpur Sahib, you still get food in doonas at times. Rest is up to people on what they want to do.

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How is it Guru Gobind ISngh Ji's rehat?? Do you worship Bhai Randheer SIngh as Guru Gobind SIngh Ji??? Only AKJ and shiv worshipping nihungs are true Sikhs eh. Others who don't keep Sarabloh don't follow rehat. If Sarabloh was important, it would have been included or at least recommended in Rehat marayda. Bhai Daya Singh rehatnama also says a lot of other things. Hare Krishan is a new thing. These guys didn't exist during times of Bhai kaan Singh Nabha. Offshoots spread up. I am talking about the Vaishnavs Bhai Kaan Singh talked about. Gurmat Maartund Pg. 585. 3) I asked how sarbloh could be giving in to Hindu mat if no Hindu is sarblohi. Your answer: None. Unfortunately you gave a long winded answer with no real substance. ----- I told you, it is copy of Vaishnav mutt. If you aska dera chela, they say they are original Sikhs too. So your statement that Vaishnavs don't do this now is not justifiable. Mostly you see monas calling themselves Sikhs so someone says monas are Sikhs Sikhs, I seen them. This statement doesn't hold much strength and same way hari krishans or other offshoots not eating from sarabloh only doesn't make sence. What do you mean long winded answer without substance??? Promoting equality and removing ouch/neech has no substance?? Treating everyone the same has no substance??? Oh! My bad. You don't belive in this concept. 4) Vaishnavism is a school of Hinduism and is a rival of Shaivism. The priests are Brahmins. I asked how could you resolve your statements that Brahmins hate sarbloh and Vaishnavs use it religiously if a large portion of Brahmins are indeed Vaishnavs. Your Answer: NONE. -- If brhamans hating Sikhs can pose as Sikhs (RSS, Buddists, etc.) to change their religions, then how hard is it for them to screw their own offshoot?? How hard is it for them to join vaishnav mutt and screw them??? By questioning if hindu scriptures are you saying I am lying or Bhai Kaan Singh Nabha lied??? I will get you the granth which says that. How do you know Bhai Daya Singh's rehatnama is authentic?? As for Ganga Sagar, who was it given to??? Some saad in bathinda or to the ancestors of the Muslim guy??? Now AKJs are questioning ganga sagar yet always bash kala afganga. People like you are the real promoters of kala afgana??? How?? Anything you don't agre with, you guys bring kala afgana into it. People like you talk about kala afgana, then people want to know more about him and then read his books. So people like you are the real kala afgana promoters. As for his books, I have read none of them. If you want to only eat in sarabloh and live like a kaidee, then up to you. If you want to follow manmutt, up to you. If you want to question kakakrs, that is your problem. If you don't understand why we have kakkars, then you problem. So is the toothbrush you use, made from sarabloh?? How is the toothpaste you use, made in sarabloh??? This is a fact that Sikhs did infact eat in Sarabloh at one time to show to the Brahman that Khalsa eats in Sarabloh and isn't any lower htan you. Haha! Just confirmed, my friend here also doens't eat in loha. He said he would tell me the granth.

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As to why Sarabloh is used for preparing Amrit. I already answered. I don't know the hindu scripture at the moment. Once I know, I will list it. Another thing, I am not a follower of Kala Afgana, how-ever you are a follower of Bhai Randhir Singh. Manmukh Hoaye Bunday Daa Bundaa! 1 Where did you read that the hill rajas did not accept sarbloh? It is not in any history I've read -- I have read it. Your should read some more history. As for Mahan Kosh, Mahan Kosh is just a dictionary/encyclopedia. It doesn't mean whatever is written in Mahan Kosh is what Bhai Kaan Singh nabha said or believed is Gurmat. Also, I never said Bhai Kaan Singh Nabha can't be wrong but he has given reference as to who does this kind of ritual. 2) Which Hindu book says iron utensils are bad? Where have you read (besides Martund) that Vaishnavs use Sarbloh? Which Vaishnav groups do you know of that use it? -- Not Vaishnav group, Vaishnav mutt. Go to india and see for yourself. Bhai Kaan Singh nabha might have his views on some things but here he has given reference. He doesn't lie. 3) How is sarbloh bibek giving into Hindu-mat akin to the examples you gave of keeping coconut etc? Coconuts are a clear part of Hindu ritual and worship. Which Hindus do you know keep sarbloh bibek? -- Hinduism has a bunch of sects, all have their own beliefs and rituals. Vaishnav mutt is another one of those. Their scriptures contradict themselves. Brahmans don't have any probs. breaking their own rules to accomplish their missions. E.g. On one hand Brhamans called Budda Athiest and on the other hand, it was his brahman chelas who wrote the buddist scriptures after he died. 4) A large portion of the Vaishnavs are brahmins. So if vaishnavs use sarbloh and brahmins condemn it, how do the two co-exist? Vaishnavism is a school of Hinduism is it not. -- See #3 and as for it being schol, no. Vaisnavism is not a school. It is ism and isms aren't schools. Sikhs would be under influence of Vaisnavs iif they only ate in Sarabloh. And once again, understand why Sarabloh batta is used to prepare Amrit. As for Kala Afgana, I don't care what he says or what he believes. Kala Afgana is a new guy anyways. I haven't bought into anyone's propaganda but you have bought into propaganda of a Panth Dokhi jatha which is one of the real poisons. Real poison which rejects Guru Panth's maryada so should not even be considered part of the Panth. These are the real Panth Dokhis and gdaars. Neither did these Panth Dokhis fight for Panth. After 84, these Panth Dokhis were busy in trying to implement their own maryadas in Gurudwaras and Sri Akaal Takht Sahib. They also sarted killing Sikhs because they didn't follow their marayda. These derawalas were never Sikhs of Guru Nanak and are Sikhs of their dera only. They talk about Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Khalsa because they want to fool innocents into their dera/jatha. Dera/jatha, same thing. Both are Panth Dokhis unless they follow and preach Akaal Takht marayda. Show me where does it say in Akaal Takht maryada to eat only in Sarabloh??? How does eating in Sarabloh 24/7 help you in yor spirituality or connect you to God? None of you guys answered if Ganga Sagar is Saraboh or not. As far as I know, it is not. Were those stone koondas discovered in Anadpur Sahib were Sarabloh?? If you want to increase your iron intake, just eat a Vitamin caplet. Vitamins are healthy and doctors recommend you to take it.

DUDE! Did you even read my post??? You are talking your own thing here. Looks like you didn't understand the post. Read again. If you don't understand, read again. Please. Kirpaa Kurkay dubaara parrooh. When I read posts like this. I wonder what can be done to have the other person understand or read properly? Like I said, when I get time, I will scan the page from Gurmat maartund and post it. As for which Vaishnav I have seen, do you even know what vaishnav mutt is??? As for the hukamna, that is a fake hukamnama. If not, your wife is also going to be meat also, if you are not married. Don't go near her. Stay away from meat as Hukamnama says.

Read Gurmat Maartund. It talks about sarbloh. I will scan and post it when i get time. Maybe you didn't know but Guru Ji also did jhatka. Do you do that too?? No, because you are under influence of Vaishnav mutt. Let me tell you why Amrit is prepared in sarabloh. Branhmans never ate in Sarbaloh. Their books call it filthy and associate it with low castes. Guru Ji used Sarabloh to remove this superstition. Karas are made from Sarabloh/Steel because it is cheap and everyone can get it. Everyone can't get gold karas and the differences of rich and poor would not be eradicated. "Was he also buying into Vaishnav Mat?" Now you tell me if Guru Ji was buying into vaishnav mutt or you are buying into Vaishnav mutt. Vaishanv mutt belives in eating only from sarabloh. It is a ritual. In the Khalsa Panth, we call rituals, Brahmanvaad as it has always been the brahmans or brahman influenced people who have entered useless rituals into religions. E.g. Entrance of fire worship in Buddism, entrance of nareeal, joat and kum, sampat paaths in our kaum, sarabloh rehat in our kaum, etc. etc. Bottom line, Sarabloh batta in Amrit Sanchaars acts as ego breaker, high caste/low caste remover, removes bhurm of jhooth, etc. etc. Maybe you or your derawala who you follow also didn't know that Hill Rajas accepted to take Amrit if the batta was not Sarabloh and Amrit wasn't given together with so-called low caste people. Is ganga sagar made from Sarabloh?? Is the mujj or gaan that gives the milk, made from sarabloh??? Is your toothpaste packaged in Sarabloh?? Is your toothbrush made from Sarabloh?? If not, then whatever you do on name of Sarablh rehat is nothing but pakand and is only to show your higher and better and more Gursikh than others. Even Bipran kee reet has a limit.

Jatt is creation of braman. You are 3rd grade human according to baman's philosophy. If you want ot be a chela of baman, then you can be happy with it. Khalsa doesn't do bipran kee reet. Following caste system of brahman is bipran kee reet. So who do u want to tbe a chela of?? Baman or Guru???

Instead of asking me, go read mahan kosh and go read Gurmat Maartund. After that, if there are still Qs. Theni will see what i can say. Or do search on it.

That excuse that you don't follow sarbloh because you can't or don't want to is a stupid excuse. Show me where in Akaal Takht maryada does it say to only eat in sarbloh. It is not even recommended. Derwalas just made up stuff to show their ego and think they know better. God was stupid to make all the other elements??? Vaishnav mutt followers only eat in Sarbloh, if those guys are your Guru, then there is no need to argue here. None of the 11 Paatshahis say to eat in Sarbloh only.

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No ganesh drank milk. The statues were made from sungmurmur and science says that they have tiny holes in it. Milk was slowly going through there and people thought it is drinking milk. Bunch of sukha addicts. Rest could be seen through the sewage system which were flooded with milk. Some mandirs had underground drums which were filled with milk. Statue never drank, isn't drinking now and will never drink in future. Baba Deep Singh fought with his head cut because he had naam and bani in him. Head was cut, if it was on the palm or not. That is a different matter. Akaal does Kirpaa. If Bhai Taru Singh can stay 22 days without skull then Baba Deep Singh can fight with head cut too. This thread is about hindus. As for poking fun at them. Bhagat Namdev Ji poked a lot of fun at hindu devi devtas.

You are talking about 24 avtar from dasam granth. That is vishnu stuff. We don't belive it. That is never going to happen. The story is also useless as it talks about fighting on horses and with swords. Those days are gone. Now we got tanks and missles and AKs to fight. The story says Neklunk will be born into the house of a brahman. Basicaly, it is written to get people to continue to belive that everything is dependent on the brahman.

Wut u Talking star??? Massive sukha drink yesterday????

Where does it say to keep sarbloh bibek??? Only some rehatnamas mention it. They also mention to take some opium and bhung. So you can't accept anything blindly. Sarbloh is not a rehat of Khalsa. I will post a scan from Gurmat Maartund about it some time in the future. It is part of Vaishnav Mutt. Singhs used it in old times because it wasn't expensive and no one wanted was after it.

Sarbloh Bibek isn't part of Sikhi rehat. It crept in from Vaishnav Mutt.

Panga comes from the french word paounge. It mean ping pong! The game that people play. You know ping pong right???

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Bhai Kaan Singh Nabha wrote everything that was around during his time. It didn't mean he believed it. As for the 8 wives thing, it doesn't make sence. However, it could be true that Mata Jito Ji died and then Guru ji married again. Howver, it is said that Jito's name was changed to Sundri because she was beautiful. As for marriages of Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji. It is Gurbilaas Pt. 6 which says Guru Ji had 3 wives. This book is garbage and writes a lot of crap so it isn't a credible source. As for Guru Gobind Singh Ji having multiple wives, if you read chariters, it mentions wife of Guru Ji and not wives. If there were multiple wives, then the writer would have said wives.

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The thing is that hindu kings such as krishan, vishnu, inder, etc. were womanizers so to put Guru Ji on same level, the writers wrote Guru Ji had multiple wives. Another reason was because people wanted to have multiple wives so they wrote Guru Ji did it so no one Qs them. Their point that if Guru Ji did it, they can do it too. Most recent exmple is Jathaydaar of Takht Patna Sahib.

They promoting all types of granths. They got their own agenda. They are not even part of Panth so there is no point to discuss anything with them.

You can't resist can you?? No one rejects Bhagat Bani.

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