UKGupt Kaur

the inventors of the caste heiracy system - the hindus have no caste based mandirs in the Uk (dunno bout india)

Never heard of Patel's mandir

Yet we have Caste based Gurdwaras on the names of the same Gurus who abolished the caste system.

We need to boycott all caste based institutions.

100% agree with you.

If your Punjabi is not so good, then why do you think it's wrong? The translation is a literal one, but it is difficult to translate this correctly.

Here is what this shabad means: Click Here

This section is about gurbani vichaar NOT fighting with me.!!! My punjabi is NOT THAT GOOD and that does not mean that its NON existing. So stop being a pl*nker and reply in a way that might help other learners of Gur Sikhee.

And NO its not a literal translation as this is nowhere found in that pangktee ie "the sacred place where the Ganges, Jamuna and Saraswaati Rivers converge".

Thanks for the reply.

This means that "the sacred place where the Ganges, Jamuna and Saraswaati Rivers converge, " statement is not needed and is also misleading.

I have emailed sikhitothemax and have yet to receive a feedback from them.

Do not be proud of your caste, you ignorant fool! So much sin and corruption comes from this pride.

||1||Rahaaou|| (sggs 1128). In the dwelling of the womb, there is no ancestry or caste. All emanate

from God's Seed (of His Joti Svaroopa) ||1|| Tell me, O Pandit: since when have you been a Brahmin?

Don't waste your life by continually claiming to be a Brahmin. ||1||Pause|| If you are indeed a Brahmin,

born of a Brahmin mother, then why didn't you come by some other way? ||2|| How is it that you are a

Brahmin, and I am of a low caste? Is it that I have blood (in my veins), and you have milk (in your veins)?

||3|| Says Kabeer, one who contemplates God, is said to be a Brahmin among us. ||4||7|| (sggs 324)

MADNESS OF BELIEF IN

CASTE: JAAT-PAAT

http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart30.htm

Therefore I will not be participating in the parade this year.

Fateh Ji,

Please view this link:

http://www.realsikhism.com/science.html

Sikhism does believe in reincarnation.

Guru Rakha

I found this interesting site http://www.scienceinsikhism.org/ .

I dont feel that 8.4 billion is used as an exact number in gurbani. The older traditions had put this exact number in their beliefs that is all.

In Gurbani, I feel, its any number (not a fixed number) . If you refer to the older traditions, they had also put an exact number in their reincarnation theory. This is also not so in Gurbani.

Todays hukamnam is from ang 687

This pangtee does not seem to be correctly translated in my opinion. As my gurmukhi/punjabi is not that brilliant, could someone break it down and translate it please.

pir sa(n)g bhaavai sehaj naavai baenee th sa(n)gam sath sathae ||

The soul-bride who loves to be with her Husband Lord bathes at the Triveni, the sacred place where the Ganges, Jamuna and Saraswaati Rivers converge, the Truest of the True.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh ji

Sangat ji, advice needed

I recently got made redundant.

I am thus not working but on goverment benefits- it is not much

However, as it could still be classed as income, should i be giving 10% of this to dasvand?

I also got a redundancy settlement, again should i be giving 10%of this to dasvand?

Also I loaned some money to a friend in need some time ago, and don't think they are in a position to pay it back so i will not be asking for it back, could this loan be classed as dasvand too?

Many thanks

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

According to Gurbani, we give what we can afford/spare and only after doing truthful work. There is no a finite % attached to what we give. And this dasvand can be anything, not only money.

I love this shabad by bhai Gurpreet Singh jee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltsqjq1pzVM

guroo guroo gur kar man mor ||

Chant Guru, Guru, Guru, O my mind.

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3234

I watching it now (repeat) on discovery knowledge channel. Excellant!

http://www.sikhs.org.sg/index.php?option=c...8&Itemid=90

Gurdwara Sahib Silat Road

8 Jalan Bukit Merah

Singapore 169543.

Tel:(65) 6222 2208 Fax: (65) 6255 1994

Email: srt@sikhs.org.sg

FYI, ANTI-SIKH and ANTI-GURMAT practice is carried out in Singapore Gurdwara Silat Road!!

I have been there several times, many years ago, so I know this is a fact!.

There is a tomb of his behind Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee!!!. Some people go and metha thek this first or after metah thek SGGSJ.!!!!

This is a email srt@sikhs.org.sg from the link above that can be used to INFORM this moorakhs of what they are encouraging at this Gurdwara.

This is another site I found http://www.ysas.org/en/ "singapore sikh youth association" who hopefully can inform the moorakhs at silat road of their anti-gurmat practices.

From Woolwich Gurdwara Newsletter for the month of phalgun. http://woolwichgurdwara.co.uk/monthlybulletin.aspx

PORTRAIT OF A SIKH

A true Sikh is a disciple of his Guru

With crown of turban on his head,

With sober face and shining eyes,

He is always calm and never red,

Among billions of men he stands aloof,

To homeless people, he provides roof.

He is an image of harmony and peace,

A hater of vice, evil and war,

A protector of the weak and needy,

His fame has spread near and far,

Terror of the tyrants, a support of the meek,

In his noble praise, we find no words to speak.

Against injustice he raises his voice,

For honour he is prepared to die,

Truth and courage are his weapons,

For selfish gain, he would not lie,

He is an enviable image of grace,

He upholds the dignity of his race.

He is a soldier, he is a saint,

Pure and spotless is his life,

He frightens none, and fears from none,

He is a lover of struggle and strife,

For meditation, he reserves his breath,

He is immune to life and death.

He is a defender of his Faith,

He cares a fig for worldly wealth,

He is an achiever par excellence,

A model of indefineable health,

He treats alike his friends and foes,

He stands like a rock in weal and woes.

If all the Sikhs emulate his role,

And evince their readiness for sacrifice,

They would restore their past glory,

When they cultivate virtue and shun vice,

Sikhism would then scale new height,

Darkness would vanish to pave way for Light.

" its also a shame that there was an area where kirpans and pic of guru jee was set up as a shrine.!!"

Bhenji, you are refering to Sach Khand, please be more respectful.

What do you really think the REAL meaning of the word "sach khand" is.?

Do you think its where a bunch of kirpans etc are placed with a picture of Guru jee in a special enclosure???

We use the word 'sach khand' willy nilly without actually understanding the true meaning of the word!!

All said and done, I think India is still the most spiritual place. The gorra focused on all the wrong things really, but when he met that Sadhu when he was in the Himilayas that was amazing, and the Sadhu said some really good things (and I understood what he was saying) a pity the goora didn't go to Hemkund Sahib Ji. It would also have been nice if he had met some chardi kala Sikhs away from the hustle and bustle of the Hazoor Sahib festivities.

yes a pity but on the other hand he would have unknowingly promoted yatras (pilgrimages) as a nessecity which its not in sikhi.

I hate when they say Guru Gobind Singh was assassinated, because he wasn't. If you are assassinated you get killed straight away. He managed to kill his attacker and died later. And i bet those Sikhs were thinking "what is this guy on" When he was more interested in talking about dishes, and how he use to wash plates for a living or something than talking about actual Sikhi. I thought he came to learn about them, not tell them about his life story. He managed to make our religion seem really violent, when arms was only used as a last resort. Still it was a good programme though.

yeah i was taken aback with the use of the word 'assasinated' too.

Just watched it on iplayer. Nice person.

But a shame that he said the belief in karma /reincarnation is the same as in hinduism as it is not.

Since Sikhs do not worship pictures or items/idols, its also a shame that there was an area where kirpans and pic of guru jee was set up as a shrine.!!

That fool in the video is a christian who is trying to fool Sikhs by wearing a turban and a uncut facial hair.

Who is Sant Baba Jeet Singh Ji and what has he got to do with the Gurdwara?

Guru Nanak Dev Jee told the Sikhs to take a bath and recite Jap Jee in morning. Do you do that bored?

How can Khalsa be a religion and Sikhi not? they are the SAME thing. The 10th Guru gave the authority to the Panj instead of charan pahul.

Isnt a Khalsa a Gurmukh? Isnt a GurSikhs aim is to be a Gurmukh? So how can a khalsa be a religion?

I think those who listening to and live Gurmat should be known as 'GurSikhs' not "Sikhs"

and we should all call this path 'GurSikhee' not "Sikhism".

Gur sikhee gur sikh sun andar siaanaa baahar bholaa

Listening to the teachings of the Guru, the Sikh becomes wise internally though apparently he looks a simpleton (Vaar Bhai Gurdaas Jee, 4).

And if a person uses the word "Sikh" it will mean that he/she is just starting the GurSikhee path (ie inquirying into and understanding 'Dharam Khand').

I like reading vichar on gurbani.org and below is from that site

"Though the author was born in a Sikh family (parents: Tarlochan Singh and Karam Kaur) in Punjab (Doaba region), India, but judging himself, he certainly knows very little about the Sikhi. Therefore, it would be a travesty of truth him calling himself a Sikh or Khalsa (pronounced as Khaalsaa).

Because, according to the Gurbani, to be a True Sikh or Khalsa is not a question of heredity, family of birth, ancestry, religion, race, region, social status, caste, creed, education, titles or any peculiar external appearance of a person; it is a question Of Self-realization (Realization of one's Real Nature as "Joti-Svaroopa")!

In other words, these words "Sikh" and "Khalsa" do not represent one's physical state. But, to the contrary, they indicate a Higher Spiritual State for us to experience within us. In this context, consider the following verses:

• So guru so sikh hai bhaaee jin joti jot milaaee: He alone is the Guru and he alone is the Sikh who has become one with the Divine Light (sggs 602).
  
• Pooran jot jagai ghat main tab Khaalas taahi Nakhaalas jaano: One becomes Khaalsaa (pure within) only when he realizes his Complete Self within; otherwise know him to be an impure one (Guru Gobind Singh Jee).
  
• Aatam ras ji jaanahee so hai khaalas dev: He who has realized the Self within is alone the godly Khaalsaa - Pure Being (Guru Gobind Singh Jee).
  
• Kahu Kabeer jan bhaye Khaalse prem bhagti jih jaanee: Says Kabeer: Those persons become Khaalsaa (pure within) who have realized the Prema Bhagti within - Loving Devotion, Divine Name, Self, etc. (sggs 655).
  
• Jap tap satt santokh pikhi darsan gur sikhah: Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of Divine Darshan (Self-realization), the Gursikh is blessed with chanting and deep meditation, truth and contentment (sggs 1395)."
  

This pangktee also comes to mind :

Sikhee sikhiaa gur veechaari

Sikhi is learning by Contemplating the GurShabad (SGGSJ 465).

And GurShabad can only be found in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.

Ban Dhadhi Singers?

Why, if i may ask the reason phenjio..

Because they are so LOUD. !!! Why are they SHOUTING in a small darbar hall with LOUD speakers on at the same time!!

Ok maybe BAN SPEAKERS when Dhadi singers are on.

Many times I have to put tissues in my ear just to listen to keertan in peace.

If I was a Pardhan for a day I would

1. Inform everyone that the darbar sahib IS NOT a Concert or Bhangra Hall and therefore not have the speakers so LOUD.

Children and babies have a danger with their hearing. Sangat that has not gone DEAF as yet are not able to concentrate on Gurbani shabd in peace with such LOUD speakers.

2. Announce throughout the day, the merits of listening and singing along to shabd keertan AND NOT TOO gossip and have unessacary chiter chater.

3. Provide small cushions to sangat so they are able to sit longer.

4. BAN Thadi singers.

You wont get this from the muslims would you?

quote from timesonline "

Israel had dropped leaflets on Gaza Saturday warning of the offensive.

“The IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) is not working against the people of Gaza but against Hamas and the terrorists only,” the leaflets, in Arabic, explained. “Stay safe by following our orders.”"

Has the Jewish community carried out any suicide bombing? Never. Have the muslims? Plenty.

Muslims has already shot down 2 young Jewish teenagers in europe. Now they have threatened the lives of all Jewish children living any where in the world.

Hamas is Not Interested in Peace

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...d_in_peace.html

UK Gupt Kaur

You are obviously a self-righteous Neo-Sikh khalistani ignoramous

possessing NO knowledge of Purataan Sikh history prior to the arrival of the British and the SGPC.

First of all cows are sacred in Indian culture and Sikh Philosphy because the cow is the highest birth in lakh chaurasi, and thus the transmigratory chain can be seen as an evolutionary process extending from non-sentient mineral lifeforms and sentient insectoids and rising through the reptilian and mamalian species (such as the cow) before progressing into the human form.

This is why the consumption of beef is considered such a sin, Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh ji were VERY vocal about enforcing the death penalty upon the killers of cows, and they even refered to themselves many times as being 'Gopal' or the protectors of cows. In Khalsa Raj under Maharaja Ranjit Singh it was also a hanging offense to kill cows, Sri Baba Sahib Singh Bedi Maharaj exterminated whole villages of beef-eaters simply for killing cows. Are these Mahapurukhs attached to bipran ki reet as you so eloquently put it?

Sant Darbara Singh was a maste fakir and pooran brahmgyani who had darshan of Dashmesh Pita, what do you know of that Gurmat?

Santji forcibly shut down many meat production plants in Punjab and rescued the cows that is upholding God's Dharam, at Lopon they are respected and not put under any strain, if they were given away how would their safety be ensured.

What pill are you on? what is a khalistani? What bull are you coming out with?

There is no such thing as the cow being sacred or highest form before mankind. I dont know which SGGSJ you have been getting your Gian from but it aint the same Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that we all read from. .

Your saint is sure teaching you bipran ke reet no doubt about that.

Your stories about Guru ji enforcing death penalties is utter rubish and made up by most likely brahmins who want to distort Sikh history.

The reason for the cow sanctuary is because Sant Darbara Singh had rescued the cows from butchers three times. After rescuing them they had built a cow sanctuary for them in Lopon. Currently there are roughly 7 thousand cows in the sanctuary where no milk is taken from them and no work is done by them.

Is that why they have now become 'sacred' hence the title of the gallery. A good seva would have been to donate the cows to the poor not keep them like some hindu sacred cows.

Your sant and your sanctuary have totally ignored gurmat and has become attached to bipran ki reet.

What is WRONG with you guys?

My friend has just bought an iPod Touch.

He is having problems installing Panjabi fonts (eg gurbanilipi) in iPod Touch to enable to read the Daily Hukumnama or Sikhi to the Max website.

The web browser on iPod is in Safari.

It is working when reading Panjabi fonts on PC using Apple Safari but not iPod Touch.

Does anyone have the same problems ?

Banned Cleric Preaching To Brits

Saturday December 13, 2008

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/H...215178496?f=rss