akaal ustat

please could someone reply where they are at at the moment??

i miss them so much.....vahegurooooo

barsi was amazing ...maharaj's beant kirpa....

I was just thinking earlier and i thought i would share with all you peeps....baba ji stood for honesty, seva, simron, and naam bannee....heir jeevan speaks for itself....do we as the youth who have so much prem for babaji, live up to the teachings of maharaj....which babaji as well as so many other gursikhs have tried to help us understand??...

its important to realise that more than rememebering babaji on these occasions....we should be remebering their jeevan....we should be going home not just thinking how much we miss them...but...what are we going to change in our lives, so we may be able to rememeber them with pride....

just thnking about my own lifestyle...amritvela is well hard for me to keep...but then i have so much prem for babaji...but whats the point in all that prem....even if they were here...i wouldnt even be able to look at them in the eye...

the whole reason we have so much pyar for them is because of their jeevan right??...so lets practice that jeevan....and start at the basics....do selfless seva...that no-one is aware other than maharaj you are doing....do bhagti every free second we find...be honest and kind to all those around you...family, friends all the world!!!

vaheguroo...i hope people went away realizing the jeevan of babaji and i hope maharaj blesses all of including myself with the ability to live up to babajs pyar for maharaj.....

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vahegurooo....

BUMP JI BUMP

where would i find this book bhaji

god made me who i am....i love my kesh...wherever it may be....

people who say it is hard to get married because of it....the way i try to see things is that there is a bigger picture out there...bigger than wheather youre married or not....if no1 will marry you then o well thats the worlds loss...because i will tell you there is one person that will be your dear husband....and that is Vaheguru himself....its just another test in lyfe...dont worry....dont break your rehat over it....its not that important...nothing in this world is that important...love yourself for being who maharaj wanted you to be....we are here to impress the great man upstair...and he wont be impressed weather you get a rista or not...but more so if u can fight this crazy world in order to keep your asool

i for one am so happy with my facial kesh...and it will never hold me back in doing anything in life...and if that means that i dont get married then o well....one door closes and another opens rite....but i will never shut that door to vaheguru...never will i write that letter of betrayal to my guru...

also i heard a somewhere once a girl saying to her brother that "a girl looks to her brother, to see how a girl is to be treated in life...if her brother treats other girls like crap and judges them for there so called "imperfections"...then that is how that girl learns how other guys are meant to treat her"....remember guys these are your sisters...if you treat them indiffeently because you dont see them as your real sisters then that is exactly how one day some other guy is going to treat your blood sister....

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what the hell....some peeps just addin their 2pence worth and spreading hatred....

have love not hate....if you cant love each other then it dont matter weather you read raagmala or not...your still going to pot...

sounds out of order....we can provide ourselves with bedrooms but not maharaj witha place of rest....yes gurdwareh are in a bad state right now....but the majority of them still realise that there should be a seperate place/room for maharaj after sukhasan.....camp sounds great but...you only going to get blessings if you do satkaar of maharaj...and im sorry but sach khand seems basic understanding....

2pence worth...sorry if affended anyone....im sure camp was realy good...but wheere there is a valid point...shouldnt really ignore iy

firstly, if this girl is serious about learning about sikhi then theres alot of research you can do on the net plus you can also come to gurudwara sahib and guru maharaj will give you direction.....however sikhi in my interpretation is not religon, but a way of life, so it is not about converting, or taking amrit and thats it you are a sikh or part of the khalsa, you have to live as a gursikh, its a life long commitment....

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

this is the link given below the ststement written by this person who wants to convert....its got a lot of negitivety in it, regardless of weather we think a religon is correct or not, i dont think it is right to slander other peoples belief....you could say that some stuff written there was fact(or not), but there was alot of negative opinions, this definately not the sikh way of thinking...so not the best start..

all in his hands

gurfateh ji

dalsingh101...this topic is not to judge non-amridharis or have any ill feeling towards them...it is a simple query to find out wheather it correct for amritdharis and non-amridharis to be a part of the anand karaj cerimony together as one....

Amritdhari marry Amritdhari

Non Amritdhari marry Non Amritdhari

Simple, as per rehit maryada.

Theres no need for difference, if someone wants to come into Sikhi, then maharaj will sort it but no excuse for marriage between amritdhari and non amritdhari. Learn the significant difference, you cant share anything with your partner if they are not amritdhari so whats the point, you will have no relationship. The purpose of anand karaj is to join to souls together, if the 2 souls are not yet pure with amrit, your defeating that object straight away. you cant share any food, or ne other relation. Theres been loads of posts when one person in a marraige has commited a kureit and people have asked what happens?

Same thing, sorry, its harsh, but sikhi isnt for light hearted, its for the dedicated who love their guru. Thats not to say that those who are not into sikhi dnt love guru ji before accusations are raised. Love your Guru Enuff to sacrifice your life for him, marry him in the amritsanchaar and become one with death.

Read some rehit maryada or go and speak to the panj pyaara.

completely agree with this post...i no so many people in a position where they are not able to keep rehit as well as they wish, simply because they are married to someone that is not amritdhari...

however at the same time i can see exactly where jss's post coming from....there can be a amridhari and a non-amridhari that could be on the same path and so perfect for each other...so why shouldnt they get married??...

thats the reason i agree'd with all info's post as aposed to jss's....because our rehit/dicipline in life is our love and dedication to maharaj else what is the point in having a rehit , what purpose does it serve??...and if marrying someone that is non-amritdhari whilst you are amritdhari is an infringement of your rehit then it is not worth it...as no matter how perfect the person is for you and how happy you will be together...no-one or thing in this life is more important than maharaj...and an amritdhari to marry a non-amritdhrari is to compromise your true dedication to maharaj....

i apologise if this affends anyone, that was not the intent, this for me is the truth in my opinion...

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singh/kaur where is that quote from??

DHAN DHAN GUROO ARJUN DEV JI MAHARAJ!!

dont wory about waheguru coming in human form again as if you are a sikh, your faith in guru granth sahib ji will be so strong that you will never need waheguru in human form, guru granth sahib ji is and will always be enough.

have faith in guru granth sahib ji and you will never need no-one else no matter how corrupt this world makes sikhi look like, as long as we have guru granth sahib ji, no-one will be able to corrupt it. be a true sikh to guru nanak dev ji (guru granth sahib ji) and leave the rest up to him.

as for your original question, from a sikhi point of view i think it has been answered

"papi" randomly bowing to someone who says they are god is ignorence, you want to bow to waheguru, bow to guru granth sahib ji.

sorri for mistakes

also can i ask why are you asking this question, what do you wish to learn??

QUOTE(B4ND4 @ May 24 2007, 05:47 PM)

QUOTE(akaal ustat @ May 24 2007, 07:40 AM)

not sure if i get your question but i thought dasmeh paatshah had told us guru maaneyo granth, so that would mean that as long as guru granth sahib ji is present no other guru (human form or not) can exist (except guru khalsa panth(panj pyareh))???

i guess the way i would respond would be to understand that everyone has there beliefs, but if someone believes in a human to be guru/waheguru and bows to them, then that person cannot be sikh.

o an big up 'lowest of the low singhini's post...

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How do you think the people must have reacted when Guru Nanak Dev Ji started composing bani and preaching??

see i was thinking about that after i posted and still stand by what i said, if someone is too bow too this person who they beleive to be vaheguru, then as a sikh i have to respect them for their beileif, but that is exactly what it is their belief not sikhi

a person that beleves this is not a sikh, just like a person that beleived in guru nanak dev ji back then was neither hindu or muslim, or anything he was a sikh

i realise this leaves the door open for new faiths and cults, but i dont think that should concern me right, as long as they do not depict sikhi to be a part of that(such as the dereh that exist today)

kal taaran gur nanak aayeaa, for me a sikh, guru nanak dev ji (in all 11 embodiements) is our only saviour in this age of kaljug(darkness)

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not sure if i get your question but i thought dasmeh paatshah had told us guru maaneyo granth, so that would mean that as long as guru granth sahib ji is present no other guru (human form or not) can exist (except guru khalsa panth(panj pyareh))???

i guess the way i would respond would be to understand that everyone has there beliefs, but if someone believes in a human to be guru/waheguru and bows to them, then that person cannot be sikh.

o an big up 'lowest of the low singhini's post...

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"This is not at all a good trend," says former Punjab police chief K.P.S. Gill. But in his opinion it is all a predictable consequence of the fact that successive governments at Chandigarh and Delhi "have been overly lenient in dealing with remnant Khalistani elements."

The retired super cop insists that the only way out is for the Centre and the state to take tough action. "Sikhs have never been known to display a mob mentality and if tackled in time, it will not at all be difficult to control the problem," he said, suggesting in remedy, "a few no-nonsense lathicharges to dispel any doubts that the government knows its business."

Failing the firm hand that Mr Gill is advocating Punjab could very easily slide right back into the nightmarish Eighties.

HE NOT REALLY ONE TO TALK, MURDERER, HE WAS THE CAUSE OF ALL THEM NIGHTMARES TO BEGIN WITH, IF HE HAD HIS WAY, HE'D SHOOT EVERY SIKH ALIVE

HE CAN P*** OFF RIGHT BACK WHEREVER IT IS HE CAME FROM.

i dont think closing down all deras will work, doesnt that take away there freedom to think, not saying dera are correct, just that makes more sense to take out any reference of sikhi in dereh, any association of sikhi, thats like hindus saying close down all gurudawareh because sikhi part of hinduism, i just thought that it was the reference they have to any part of sikhi in these dereh that we have problem with, sorri correct me if i wrong just think it a loosing battlelike taking away thee freeom to beleve in somthing, like what rss is trying to do to sikhi

hukamnama can only come from maharaj....stop using this term in reference to people

sensible huknama - badal's doing obviously

Just as they have taken innocent lives .

Karan Chakarborty, head constable, Mohammad Latif, Shatrughan and Shivu Dey (constables) of 109 Bravo unit of the BSF must be have their lives taken in the most painful way to serve as a deterant to any other terrorists from BSF who even think of doing the same again

sikh supreme - we aim to be gursikhs and we represent maharaj, we dont have hate for anyone therefore if this dushts needs to be killed then he will die, but it is not in our hands to cause him pain does not matter what he does

if his being alive is a threat to the world then i gues it is just to kill him, but thats it we are not the ones to punish, he will be dealt in maharajs court

look at the atrocity that indira caused but she was shot and removed from this earth and i am sure she has been justly dealt with in maharajs court

we need to not let hate take us over, that makes us just as bad as them

do ardaas for chardi kalla of panth...and all these deras are finished off..not by the killing of the dera followers but the increase of sikhi parchaar in punjab/india...

i get the feeling this man gonna get shot regardless...but wheather he does or does not....thisa is wake up call for sikhi parchaar...

u kill him....teek....but then what about his 30 million followers...

parchaar of sikhi only way to kill these dereh....and all that used to say punjab is dry when it comes to sikhi...i guess we were alll proven wrong...

gurfateh sangat jio

personally do think this is some type of political game to kill off remaining sikhs in india that are devoted to sikhi.

however firstly i would say people need to ask maharaj for a hukamnama on the situation, he is truly our leader

secondly there are not many people with kamai of people like saint ji and other gursikhs of the past, however since this situation has arisen, people that do read alot of bani and have camaee need to come forward, you now who you are, dont hesitate, doesnot matter where you are from

thirdly again everyone needs to look out for sikhs around them and what the police doing aswell as dera supporters, because most likely they are part of same side especially since this looks like politicall stunt

everyone do ardaas for chardi kala of pant

if you not involved then start jamming you bannee in for guru khalsa panth

may vaheguru do kirpa for truth to prevail

is this true? if it is everyone should be armed

if 3days have been given everyone needs to keep an eye on everyone around them

police will start locking people up who they beleve to be threat

very imortant that sikhs keep a look out on who the police are arresting and in what condition they are in

the rest of the panth do ardaas and read bani for the chardi kala of guru khalsa

is there any media coverage newspapers or tv...that is in favour of sikh sentiments??

whos narayan ji??

something a friend always says to me.....would you think guru gobind singh ji would ever be there if not then why are you(his son/daughter) there...

singh who came into sikhi trough meleh trust maharaj would have shown you his path mela or no mela.....it was in your karam....

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vaheguroo