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THE STORY Of THE COURAGE at CHAMKAUR & TURBAN GATE THE SHAME AT SOUTHALL/EAILING In the prolonged siege of Anandpur in 1705, Sahibzada Ajit Singh again displayed his qualities of courage and steadfastness. When, at last, Anandpur was vacated on the night of 5-6 December 1705, he was given command of the rearguard. As the besiegers, violating their solemn promises for a safe conduct to the evacuees, attacked the column, he stoutly engaged them on a hill feature called Shahi Tibbi until relieved by Bhai Ude Singh. Sahibzada Ajit Singh crossed the Sarsa, then in spate, along with his father, his younger brother, Jujhar Singh, and some fifty Sikhs. Further reduced in numbers by casualties at the hands of a pursuing troop from Ropar, the column reached Chamkaur in the evening of 6 December 1705, and took up position in a garhi, highwalled fortified house. The host, since swelled by reinforcements from Malerkotia and Sirhind and from among the local Ranghars and Gujjars, soon caught up with them and threw a tight ring around Chamkaur. An unequal but grim battle commenced with the sunrise on 7 December 1705 in the words of Guru Gobind Singh's Zafamamah, a mere forty defying a hundred thousand (lakh). The besieged, after they had exhausted the meagre stock of ammunition and arrows, made sallies in batches of five each to engage the encircling host with sword and spear. Sahibzada Ajit Singh led one of the sallies and laid down his life fighting in the thick of the battle. He was 18 years old at the time of his supreme sacrifice for his faith. Gurdwara Qatalgarh now marks the spot where he fell, followed by Sahibzada Jujhar Singh, who led the next sally. An annual fair is held in commemoration of their martyrdoms on the 8th of the Bikrami month of Poh (December/January). The martyrdom of two of the sons of Guru Gobind Singh in the battle of Chamkaur . Today we listen with sharp senses to the barking of oppertunist politicians. Not willing to sacrafice themselfs for the betterment of the sikh sangat. Sometimes it is better to loose with courage and steadfastness than to surrender youself and gurujis distar to a easy option. Local politicians take nothing from the examples of Sahibzada Ajit Singh & his younger brother, Jujhar Singh at the battle of Chamkaur. Gurcharan Singh & Mangeet Singh ex labour councilors have sold thier sikhi,to Tony Litt & the endless cheque book of sunrise radio. Defecting and joining a party that they had campaigned against for some thirty years. Showing themselfs to be weak and manipulating a issue that could potentially rock southall & eailing. All sorts of allegations are beeing made against the labour party.The conservatives also overlooked capabell sikh candidates, but this was erelevent to Gurcharan and his master plan to topple labour in its own back yard. Closly backed by his sikh JATHEBANDIA BOSS UK,AKJ,DAL KHALSA UK,DDT,SIKH FEDERATION. When will these people take note of our gurus words.It seems that bhani has not effected theses groups in a positive way. Why do they not support Rai. Khalistan Khalistan is all they know and now we can have our own little Khalistan here they dont support our Sikh Candidate. Have some shame and come out and support Dr Rai. The bottom line is that an issue was needed that would touch the harts of local people. The turban discrimination Turban Gate was created. None of it adds up or makes any sence as Gurcharan was sellected to stand in the elections in 2004 when he lost by 11000 votes,to Richard Barnes. he is an established loser why would labour select him. After all the spin the spin doctors Gurcharan and co have left Dr Jasdev Singh Holding his turban not knowing where to go. Luckly Dr Rai is not made of the same weak stuff as Gurcharan and is making a stand on principal. Dr Rai is currently moving up the ranks and is at present fourth in the polls. By next week and with the blessing of Mahraj Ji. Dr Rai will inflict a welcome upset to this two horse race as they say it aint over till the fat lady sings.

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I dont want to find you, I'm just curious to see what a giant of a man you must be. The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. All that fuss must account for something & all the big storys must be backed up by something. What is the secret if everyone but me knows who you are, why cant I be told, I seem to be the last one on gods earth, that hasnt found out who the Great King of the sikhs soooooormaaaaaa Is. You could very easily have answered my question with yes or no but you choose to go into one of your usual self important speaches. Anouncing how you are southall famous King of the getto. Belive it or not there is a big world out there. Imagination is the one weapon you have in your war against reality sormah. Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane, posibily you have done that part already. Page 632, Line 19 ਮਦਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ ਭਇਓ ਬਾਵਰੋ ਸੂਝਤ ਨਹ ਕਛੁ ਗਿਆਨਾ ॥ मदि माइआ कै भइओ बावरो सूझत नह कछु गिआना ॥ Maḏ mā­i­ā kai bẖa­i­o bāvro sūjẖaṯ nah kacẖẖ gi­ānā. He has gone insane with the wine of Maya, and does not understand even a bit of spiritual wisdom. To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge, believe me the way you converse entitles you to call yourself ignorant all day. Page 540, Line 11 ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਚੇਤਿਓ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਿੰਦੁੜੀਏ ਤੇ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੂੜ ਇਆਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥ जिन हरि हरि नामु न चेतिओ मेरी जिंदुड़ीए ते मनमुख मूड़ इआणे राम ॥ Jin har har nām na cẖėṯi­o mėrī jinḏuṛī­ė ṯė manmukẖ mūṛ i­āṇė rām. Those who do not remember the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, O my soul - those self-willed manmukhs are foolish and ignorant. Guru Ram Das Guru Teg Bahadur So now you have managed to score aonther point in your favour, my choosing not to take up your challenge of coming to battle at 1230am must have boosted your status with the other local vermin. How great you must feel having walked around all day holding your breath and walking on tip toes. I am bafeled that you still think it right to treat the guru kar as a place to settle your personal scores. Your family must be awfully strict, training you to act in accordance with rules. You seem to like to break rules espeacialy the ones on common desency & conforming to the recognized standard of propriety. How you must have been punished for breaking rules and now you are the punisher,inflicting penalty for offense, that you deem to have been brocken. Wow what a power trip. Wake up, who are you????????????????? Are you as important as you imagine????????????????????? The Great King of the sikhs Sormah is displeased soon there will be only five Kings left--the King of southall, the King of Spades, The King of Clubs, the King of Hearts, and the King of Diamonds. Beware he inflicts pain on those who displease him. The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time. You see you are never wright.

Of course I am scared, I am scared of the effect that a confrontation at our guru kar has on our sangat. I dont intened to Knock off or have my Distar Knocked off for you gratification. The respect and sanctaty of our guru kar is paramount, above all personal feelings. I wouldnt want to cause a seen that would reflect in a negitive way on our panth. After all we are still trying to overcome the damge done by the soormeh that were disiplined by gurus sangat who after loosing teeth, breaking bones, loosing distars and generally tacking a hiding. Used the opertunity to further there political careers. You make be aware that for his part in this diseption Sarbjit Singh Gill of Cranford no longer has the previlage of calling himself councillor Gill. Just a plain old lying bus driver Know. Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always drive a bus. The loss of respect, honor, or esteem, ignominy, shame, the disgrace of criminals & liars. Can you tell me if your face is in the pic so kindly provided be a member of the sangat. please reply quicly the sespence is killing me. Do you see how mahraj rewards bad deeds.

Has guru blessed me with wings to fly or are you going to help me by bouncing me off six bellies fat tyre. dont be to cheeky bad boy you might just wet your little frilly knickers!!!!!!! In case you don't get the meaning of his post i suggest you read agian,you Mr Sohi;s Fool,just can't stop can you ,even after Admins warned you on your behaviour,you and maqsoopakhandi,just keep on talking rubbish,and utter rubbish it is,Regardless of whether you and Sohi gang come tomorrow we will be there 12:30pm Well I Know its dinner time and nothing like eat as much as you like for free then roal around the car park to help you digest you free meal you must be costing the guru kar a fortune. One of the serious obstacles to the improvement of our race is indiscriminate charity Please try to refraim from telling untruths when has admin warned me about anything? It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. Page 63, Line 2 ਚਿਤੁ ਚਲੈ ਵਿਤੁ ਜਾਵਣੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਡੋਲਿ ਡੋਲਾਇ ॥ चितु चलै वितु जावणो साकत डोलि डोलाइ ॥ Cẖiṯ cẖalai viṯ jāvṇo sākaṯ dol dolā­ė. The consciousness of the wicked, faithless cynics wanders around in search of transitory wealth, unstable and distracted. Guru Nanak Dev

Hey true khalsa this is amrit vela why would a khalsa be going to bed at this time You fraud Looks like you are the equliser going to put everything wright, come on mr Sir-cant-punch tell another tall tail you fake egotistic gutter rate you do not have the right to try and bully any one I am happy to be the coward as what is to be gained by confrontation. Fool I will give you some names You want to punish anti panthick forces Jagdish Tytler Saghan Kumar Phajan Lal K P S Gill What is your verdict on them, get them convicted khalsa gee pray that they dont die a natural death before there victims are given justice, for justice In the part of this universe that we know there is great injustice, and often the good suffer, and often the wicked prosper, and one hardly knows which of those is the more annoying. Page 5, Line 17 ਅਮੁਲੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਅਮੁਲੁ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥ अमुलु धरमु अमुलु दीबाणु ॥ Amul ḏẖaram amul ḏībāṇ. Priceless is the Divine Law of Dharma, Priceless is the Divine Court of Justice. Guru Nanak Dev Page 38, Line 18 ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਨੋ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਬਹਿ ਸਚਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ धरम राइ नो हुकमु है बहि सचा धरमु बीचारि ॥ Ḏẖaram rā­ė no hukam hai bahi sacẖā ḏẖaram bīcẖār. The Righteous Judge of Dharma, by the Hukam of God's Command, sits and administers True Justice. Guru Amar Das Forget about your imaginary enemy, be righteous the man who in view of gain thinks of righteousness who in the view of danger is prepared to give up his life, and who does not forget an old agreement however far back it extends - such a man may be reckoned a complete man. MOD NOTE - this topic has been discussed so many times and the result is always the same, if people cannot refrain from making personal attacks on sikhsangat members (which includes posting their pictures on the board w/out their permission) then the topics will be closed and removed!!

I dont want to be the type of man you are so leave me alone homo girl go play with your dolls Seems like someones to scared to face up to another. Why would I be fearful of you pea brain? Change has a considerable psychological impact on the human mind. To the fearful it is threatening because it means that things may get worse. To the hopeful it is encouraging because things may get better. To the confident it is inspiring because the challenge exists to make things better. Page 1357, Line 6 ਦੁਖੰ ਭਯੰਤਿ ਸੁਖ੍ਯ੍ਯੰ ਭੈ ਭੀਤੰ ਤ ਨਿਰਭਯਹ ॥ दुखं भयंति सुख्यं भै भीतं त निरभयह ॥ Ḏukẖaʼn bẖa­yanṯ sukẖ­yaʼn bẖai bẖīṯaʼn ṯa nirabẖyeh. Pain is changed into pleasure, and the fearful become fearless. Guru Arjan Dev You my brave warrior do a brave deed today post your real name or your picture be brave come on lets see you wagging your tale

Are you shure you dont mean Diarrhea I am openly challenging you ,if you are a man of your word be there tommorow at 12:30pm on the dot then we will see what kind of soorma you really are. I can see that you are challenged by your posts. I would only have to come if I had given my word pea brain but I havent so as a consequense I cant be breaking my word by not coming. I cant recall calling my self brave I save those complments for you and your gang. My courage is not the issue or my integreaty. I will do what I say The thing I would like to ask is what you need me to come to the guru kar for. It is a place of worship not your private fight club respect our guru kar you must abide by the eticate of our lords house. Post a pic of yourself for all to see the great warrior Sir-cant-punch ! come on why are you hiding!

I dont want to be the type of man you are so leave me alone homo girl go play with your dolls

Are you shure you dont mean Diarrhea

Has guru blessed me with wings to fly or are you going to help me by bouncing me off six bellies fat tyre. dont be to cheeky bad boy you might just wet your little frilly knickers!!!!!!!

You pathetic rech you know verywell that the ardas was done it was aired on Akash Radio Live Why do you and you crew insist on telling lie after lie it is a total fabrication. What about mr two bobles Gurpreet who unlike his name has no love for our guru. Why was he crying like a little girl on the stage asking for heads to be surrendered for the glory of the panth. He disrespects our shaheeds Sant Bindranwal by using his lyrics on stage did he not offer himself as president. He did is the answer the truthfull one can you be truthfull. It was a coue to take over the guru kar yopu couldnt go thrugh with it because you know the sangat isnt with you and your leaders. You wont last a day the Bibia will murder you with there hand bags, be ware of guru sangat they are not blind or stupid.

Panthic Groups in Coalition "NO POLITICAL PARTY" If you are organised in a colective with one goal a common goal, and you circulate political litriture alot of which contains many untruths. You allie yourselfs to known troublemakers and persons with personal vendettas to sohi. Theese people having gone to extreem lenths to convict sohi on false charges. Theese charges being brought by 4 persons privatly, the allegations having been defended by sohi and his family and the persons making the allegations and the persons giving false evidence in their favour being branded liars. After taking oaths on our holy Guru. Only 1 of there number was respectful of mahraj to except that he belived in the guru granth but that he was not willing to take a oath on such. The police said no case to answer The cps said no case to answer The cps ombodsman said no case to answer So finally a private prosecution was tacken out you have the result why do they not appeal?. We should all work together for the betterment of the panth. I do not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean, if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. I can think of nothing more boring for me than to have to sit in the living room looking at your face. You must have an imagination Im convinced you do, by the type of stuff you post, imagine tht I am in front of you. Would that make a whole lot of difference to you idiotic replies.

I thought the march was to protest against sacha saydha? Wasn't it? So letts beleive you for a minute mr so brave (soormaaaa) that no money was collected. What were you doing just shouting for Khalistan! Wouldn't a well established MR six Bellies Manmohan singh & his hairy girls netball team have been on a protest before. Havent you guys been so active in remembering our Lost Shaheeds. Would someone that has been collecting money for the panth for some 20YEARS change a habit like that. Was shaheed Kanwaljit Singhs family not worthy of some support from there brothers and sisters in the UK. So you didn't collect money, The question know is why not????????. Page 15, Line 16 ਨਾਨਕ ਨਦਰੀ ਬਾਹਰੇ ਰਾਚਹਿ ਦਾਨਿ ਨ ਨਾਇ ॥੪॥੪॥ नानक नदरी बाहरे राचहि दानि न नाइ ॥४॥४॥ Nānak naḏrī bāhrė rācẖeh ḏān na nā­ė. ||4||4|| O Nanak, those who lack the Lord's Glance of Grace cherish neither charity nor the Lord's Name. ||4||4|| Guru Nanak Dev You opportunist use any event to your own advantage.This policy or practice, as in politics, business, or one's personal affairs, of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to expediency or effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles. When will you learn?. You charlatans are nothing short of entrepreneurs looking to make a quick buck at the expence of whoever it may be. Immoral degenerates theese acts come as second nature to you. Page 1279, Line 19 ਸਚੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ਤਖਤੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥ सची कीमति पाइ तखतु रचाइआ ॥ Sacẖī kīmaṯ pā­ė ṯakẖaṯ racẖā­i­ā. He established His throne on the principles of Truth. Guru Nanak Dev All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. It seems to hit a raw nerve with sooooormaaaaaa the truth always winds him up sending him into a kanzas city type of spin maybe he should by a pair of red shoes and go and see the wiaard of oz he may be able to grant him hia wish of a)brain b)courage c)Heart Good Luck if you take six bellies with you he may loose a few pounds on the yellow brick road!!!!!! Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction. Try please try very very hard for me please prity please. What a fantastic story something out of a brate bollywood production you couldnt have thought that up yourself. Maybe it was those people you watched doing beadbi at park avenue the ones you caught on you phone remember. May be while they disrespected our place of worship for you to produce your little move for your own political gain, they gave you this new story line about black faces garlands of shoes and a preseshion around southall. No doubt you must be overdue to have your face blackened and to wear your most cherished garland of six bellies sweaty shoes. I all for it. How are your new found friends do you still keep in touch they may be abile to offer you work as an extra in one of thier new movies as a gutter rat or maybe something a little more attractive a laim dog. Do not try to test our capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. Because you insult our intelligence. To predict the behavior of ordinary soooormaaaaaa in advance, you only have to assume that he will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence. Page 18, Line 3 ਸੁਰਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਤਿ ਊਗਵੈ ਗੁਰਬਚਨੀ ਭਉ ਖਾਇ ॥ सुरति होवै पति ऊगवै गुरबचनी भउ खाइ ॥ Suraṯ hovai paṯ ūgvai gurbacẖnī bẖa­o kẖā­ė. Intuitive understanding is obtained and one is welcomed with honor, through the Guru's Word, filled with the Fear of God. Guru Nanak Dev How are you joker find your self a new faith as you do not posses even one reedeming quwality FOOL ! 1 min dis fool says we took money da next he says ok u guys ddnt hes chatin crap,the march wasn't against 'sacha saydha' as u say but Sacha Sauda Dera,fool shws and proves u sohi da chela,maybe 1 of his younger lot ,we knw who dey r,The march was agianst da dera baba,da call 4 freedom is linked 2 dis protest agiainst da baba,Khalistan is part of da same battlefront and da sme war,is cos we live in India we get dese fake guruz,Sohi commiteez <admin-profanity filter activated> came out when dey heard Khalistan Zindabadh in park ave,they soooo shook of wht der RSS masters might say ,i say u pop up @ Park ave and cht 2 yah Uncle Sohi and tell him dis da beginning of da new campaign To be my uncle we would have to be related wouldnt we mr Millihairy? I didnt know forgive me once again as I was under the impression from your fellow team mate Sir-punch and his posts and the poster plus the leafletts you were handing out that it was definatly a protest against Sucha Sauda. So why did you disrupt the events of the evening Katha and show your video of Sohi at Hindhu gathering in guru g's main divan. Didnt you deviate and mislead the sangat into joining you in a preseshion advertised widley and exclusivly for a protest against sacha saudha. Why was Khalistan Khalistan the main agenda. Why was asking Sohi to resign another agenda. Why was the venu Havelock Rd To Park avenue what do these guru kar have to do with sacha saudha. You Are oppertunist leaches sucking the life bood of our sangat manipulating and telling lies for your own political gain. Good luck with your new campaign, dont forget your helpers from the last election. The big black ones from Africa didnt much look like guru's sikhs no matter may be the ones with beards and no mustashes were closer to sikhs shure looked like muslims anyway you know who they were and as usual you are going to defend the faith from all of theese outsie factors arn't you and your gang of free riders. You took money if you didnt why didnt you? understand the question know big boy. Page 20, Line 9 ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਿਨੀ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਕੀਚੈ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ॥ गुरमुखि जिनी जाणिआ तिन कीचै साबासि ॥ Gurmukẖ jinī jāṇi­ā ṯin kīcẖai sābās. Those who understand are Gurmukh; recognize and applaud them. Guru Nanak Dev