Carpe Diem

Damn

I guess sometimes situations drive us so insane that evil consumes our minds and act up on it...

1200 lumens? Not really.

heres one i think is good - n its one first ones i looked at...

http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/Search...&Sku=133306

the "misc" folder..

http://www.sikhroots.com/audio/Keertani%20...rh%20Jaagey.mp3

i talk to my colleague sometimes about unrelated work stuff and just chill for a bit... if the above is dishonest then i am defo goin to hell lol

Any recordings of the programme?

Theres a program tonight about the partition on BBC 2 (TV) as well incase anyone is interested.

Also, one of the programs last week featured Sanjeev Bhaskars visit to Harimandir Sahib which was quite interesting.

Poor father... but amazing Gursikh and so worthy of a jakaaraa... reading above what the father said made me want to shout "BOLE SO NIHAAL" at the top of my voice. He is a Guru of the Sikh - not a Guru of a soul who brought about misery, destruction through drugs and crime. He had the guts to speak the truth and say it how it was. If i ever met this father, i would definitely say Fateh and shake his hand. Good going.

oh give it a rest now guys

its the time of camps etc mainly but theres always programmes going on. first saturday of the month at coventry... also hear theres a rehansbhai at sedgley st on sept 1st. theres keertan programmes in southall and birmingham every wednesday...

akji smagam just passed last week as well.

a coach every monday Techno Singh? lol - Cov wud hav to buy their own coach! itd work out cheaper

LOL

OK no joke now, has neone here heard of any stories of a Muslim girl being forced into Sikhi? Any news reports? Any sources? Any allegations on the net anywhere? Anyone? Anything?

Any stories of a Sikh raping a Muslim girl... taking fotos of her..? blackmailing her? her family? drugging a muslim girl to get her to convert? using black magic?

If anyone has, itd be interesting to hear...

And RANJ, u said ureself a Gianni raping a 5 yr old girl is VERY rare... BUT trust me, extremist Islamics using whatever means possible to convert Sikh girls is not a rare thing. Unfortunately, because identities have to be protected, we cant name every case but they exist. Just go ask the SAS and i am sure they can arrange a meeting wherever u want.

Clearly, it is very difficult to reason with stupidity.

You have no proof of anything you have just said, and will again probably divert the issue. Please re read what i have posted before you repost please.

Shame that people like you drag our community down. "WE CANT NAME EVERY CASE BUT THEY EXIST"? DO CASES NOT EXIST ON THE OTHER SIDE?

ARE YOU AGAIN DWELLING IN A RARE, INFREQUENT, 2 SIDED ISSUE THAT IS USED AS A PROPAGANDA TOOL BY EASILY LEAD SHEEP SUCH AS YOURSELF? YES YOU ARE

PLEASE THINK

Yeh clearly it is very difficult to reason with stupid - u r proving that point very well for us thank you :wub:

As i said, why dont you go ask the sevadars who spend most of their time picking up the pieces after the extremist Muslims have had their way with them rather than coming on here trying to proclaim your the "voice of the Sikh community" all of a sudden? Your ignorance is an insult to all those that have been through it.

LOL

OK no joke now, has neone here heard of any stories of a Muslim girl being forced into Sikhi? Any news reports? Any sources? Any allegations on the net anywhere? Anyone? Anything?

Any stories of a Sikh raping a Muslim girl... taking fotos of her..? blackmailing her? her family? drugging a muslim girl to get her to convert? using black magic?

If anyone has, itd be interesting to hear...

And RANJ, u said ureself a Gianni raping a 5 yr old girl is VERY rare... BUT trust me, extremist Islamics using whatever means possible to convert Sikh girls is not a rare thing. Unfortunately, because identities have to be protected, we cant name every case but they exist. Just go ask the SAS and i am sure they can arrange a meeting wherever u want.

Ouch II

I agree with what you say Ranj ... but i have to say that SAS for example has done some EXCEPTIONAL work and they are quite dharmik "religious" people using the message of Guru Granth Sahib Jee to bring girls back from the wrath of the guilty Islamics.

I dunno, i think you, like me as well, are a bit naieve to the extent of the actual issue here regarding these conversions and its better to "over-dramatise" this and build a massive awareness and defence wall to this, than just to let it carry on and trying to mend the roof whilst its raining.

Im not trying to push the issue under the carpet. But exactly to your point, many of these leaflets are "over dramatised" just to encourage us to focus all our energy on a two sided argument, thatis usually self inflicted by "Sikh girls", who are usually given too much freedom too early.

Do you know to the extent Muslims go to convert Sikh and Hindu girls jee? Heres a case::

lie to a girl that ure a muslim... sweet talk them... use "black magic" ... get their trust... rape them... take photos in bed with them... print em... blackmail the girl to convert or fotos of them together in bed would be sent to her mother, father, brothers and extended family... girl converts... Muslim pockets thousands of pounds tax free in his pocket.

YOUR A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF IGNORANCE THAT SADLY EXISTS IN OUR SOCIETY.

CAN I ASK:

1. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IF A SIKH HAS DONE THIS? NO? HOW SURE ARE YOU THEN? HAVE YOU GOT ANY PROOF? NO? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT

2. WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? AN OFTENLY OVER EXAGGERATED LEAFLET/EMAIL YOU RECIEVED? THE EXACT TYPE OF PROPAGANDA I WAS TALKING ABOUT?

THANK YOU FOR POSTING A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A CLASSICALLY EASILY LEAD DIMWIT WHO, WISHES TO CONCENTRATE ON VERY RARE, INFREQUENT, TWO SIDED ISSUES INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON BIGGER ISSUES - EG. MILLIONS BEING KILLED IN WARS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES, COUNTRIES IN WHICH SIKHS TOO RESIDE (AFGHANISTAN)

SIMPLY, CARPE DIEM, I PITTY YOU

Pity me all u want - ive SEEN it with my own eyes. YOU are the deluded one. I was merely giving you a pov but if u wanna pity me, be my guest. Infact, everyone, please pity me. But let the raising of awareness continue coz it happens and i keep in touch with sevadars from SAS so i know what happens. They are not stupid u know Ranj - taking time out of their own working professional lives and families to educate and sort out such situations.

Dont talk to me about "where did i read this n that" coz u dont know me for jack. I cant do nething about wars and i cant stop them, as much as i wud like to. but i sure can hella prevent what happened to PEOPLE I KNOW happening to other people.

Ouch II

I agree with what you say Ranj ... but i have to say that SAS for example has done some EXCEPTIONAL work and they are quite dharmik "religious" people using the message of Guru Granth Sahib Jee to bring girls back from the wrath of the guilty Islamics.

I dunno, i think you, like me as well, are a bit naieve to the extent of the actual issue here regarding these conversions and its better to "over-dramatise" this and build a massive awareness and defence wall to this, than just to let it carry on and trying to mend the roof whilst its raining.

Im not trying to push the issue under the carpet. But exactly to your point, many of these leaflets are "over dramatised" just to encourage us to focus all our energy on a two sided argument, thatis usually self inflicted by "Sikh girls", who are usually given too much freedom too early.

Do you know to the extent Muslims go to convert Sikh and Hindu girls jee? Heres a case::

lie to a girl that ure a muslim... sweet talk them... use "black magic" ... get their trust... rape them... take photos in bed with them... print em... blackmail the girl to convert or fotos of them together in bed would be sent to her mother, father, brothers and extended family... girl converts... Muslim pockets thousands of pounds tax free in his pocket.

Ouch II

I agree with what you say Ranj ... but i have to say that SAS for example has done some EXCEPTIONAL work and they are quite dharmik "religious" people using the message of Guru Granth Sahib Jee to bring girls back from the wrath of the guilty Islamics.

I dunno, i think you, like me as well, are a bit naieve to the extent of the actual issue here regarding these conversions and its better to "over-dramatise" this and build a massive awareness and defence wall to this, than just to let it carry on and trying to mend the roof whilst its raining.

This Shabad is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Salok Kabeer Jee on Pannaa 1367

kabeer muhi maranae kaa chaao hai maro th har kai dhuaar ||

Kabeer, I long to die; let me die at the Lord's Door.

math har pooshhai koun hai paraa hamaarai baar ||61||

I hope that the Lord does not ask, ""Who is this, lying at my door?""||61||

Yes they will be there at 12.30pm

Can we have more info on France smagam please?

ਰਿਹਤ ਿਪਆਰੀ ਮੁਝ ਕਉ

ਿਸਖ ਿਪਆਰਾ ਨਾਿਹ

Just to correct the above tukk

Maybe before you put the forum down, you should think to yourself "how comes i know the tukk but cant write it myself in Punjabi...?" or even "why do i not know in which bani or scriptures to find it?"

Have a look at the back of an Amrit Keertan (printed not online) and you will find your answer.

Just one thing to bear in mind... the pen is mightier than the sword.

Im sure everyone will agree the forum aint what it used to be (for the oldies).

I know the tukh in english because its all over the internet and forums, as I wouldnt know otherwise. I aint got the ego to go write it in Punjabi myself as its Gurbani direct from Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and Id get it wrong, maybe have a go yourself hey? Since I cant write it myself.

Well if i knew it was in the Amrit Kirtan I would like myself, hence why im asking for advice where the tukh is!

Pen is mightier then the sword.. hmmm im not after a war, just a tukh thanks!

You dont speak for everyone else on the forum - just speak for yourself.

And knowing the tukk isnt about ego - its about knowledge. In terms of a war, no one said you were after one. I always think a Singh should be "tyaar bar tyaar" though for anything. The word war was merely a metaphor.

Yes i agree. Mann Jitt is an absolutely STUPID newspaper and i dont say that so lightly. Their news reports can be REALLY inaccurate. Last year, they published a news report that a keertan jatha had died when they hadnt... the jatha were in the UK and their mothers were told of their supposed deaths in India.

I think the time has come for Mann Jitt to either end or join forces with another paper to work together...

Ok i may be totally wrong but someone did say to me once the gap can only be 5 years according to maryadha BUT i do not know where that is cited if it is true...

Maybe before you put the forum down, you should think to yourself "how comes i know the tukk but cant write it myself in Punjabi...?" or even "why do i not know in which bani or scriptures to find it?"

Have a look at the back of an Amrit Keertan (printed not online) and you will find your answer.

Just one thing to bear in mind... the pen is mightier than the sword.

I hope her and her stupid *************** son ROT IN HELL. - thats just my opinion.

LONDON - A 70-year-old British grandmother is facing life imprisonment after being convicted today of the "honour killing" of her son's wife who she murdered after luring her to India.

Bachan Athwal, 70, who has 16 grandchildren, is believed to be one of the oldest women ever to be convicted of murder in England. Her son was also found guilty of murder.

They will be sentenced on Sept. 19.

The two killed Sikh Heathrow Airport worker Surjit Kaur Athwal, who disappeared in December 1998 after she decided to walk out of her arranged marriage.

Bachan Athwal, a mother-of six, was furious about her daughter-in-law's plans to leave, which she believed would bring disgrace on the family, London's Old Bailey court heard.

The pensioner was said to have told one family member that any divorce proceedings "would happen over my dead body".

The Customs officer was lured to India by her mother-in-law, and her minibus driver husband Sukhdave Singh Athwal, 43, on the pretext of attending family weddings but was instead strangled.

The alarm was raised after the 27-year-old victim failed to return to her home in Hayes, west London. Her body, believed to be somewhere in the Punjab area in India, has never been found.

The verdict is the second involving honour killings in Britain this month. Iraqi Kurd Mahmod Mahmod was jailed for life last week for murdering his daughter after discovering she was having an affair.

"This case highlights how seriously we treat any murder or violence, regardless of the motive, whether it be for financial gain or in the name of so called honour," said Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll of London's Specialist Crime Directorate after Thursday's verdict.

"It is the culmination of over eight years' work by the Metropolitan Police, and the determination of Surjit's family, to see the perpetrators brought to justice," he said.

During the three month trial, the court heard that Surjit's 10-year arranged marriage -- which she entered when she was just 16 -- was on the rocks and she was desperate to leave it.

She had asked for a divorce and was having an affair with a colleague. Athwal and her son were so aggrieved they plotted to "get rid of her", the jury was told.

"She was a vivacious young girl, was Surjit ... and she had developed a somewhat Westernised-style of life," prosecutor Michael Worsley said. She cut her hair short, smoked cigarettes and drank alcohol.

"They were Sikhs, and for the girl to have an affair was obviously something dreadful. Eventually feelings against her boiled over.

What was the full story regarding the amrit dhaari singh who took his daughter in law from UK to India and had her killed for an allegedly cheating on his son? Neone got links?