PAL 07

dunno about east but theres a few in the west midlands i can tell you more if its any good to you

farla does not mean anything extraordinary.......its something seen only within the Nihang Samparday of Sikhs...it implies that a Nihang Singh has done something special to recieve the honour of carrying the blue nishan sahib which is the nishan of the Nihang Samparday... but bibia (women) are not allowed to recieve farla because Nishan Sahib's are only allowed to be carried by men....such as at Nagar Kirtans where Panj Piare carry Panj Nishan

ALSO BIJLA SINGH IS WRONG ABOUT THE OTHER GURBANI SHABAD I REFERED TO WHICH IS IN BAVAN AKHRI AS SASA SHASTAR SIMRIT VED PUKARE http://www.4shared.com/dir/2592350/3674aff/sharing.html MY REQUEST TO GURMUKH SIKHS IS THAT WE DONOT BEND GURBANI BACKWARDS FOR OUR OWN SELFISH AGENDAS AND DONT USE BIBLE BASHING AS A WAY OF DEALING WITH STRATEGIC THREATS FROM CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHATEVER THERE BELIEFS OR AGENDAS ARE.....

GURFATEH, HERE IT IS SANT GURBACHAN SINGH JI KHALSA VIDYA MARTAND PANTH RATTA PORAN BREHMGIANI MAHAPURSH DOING KATHA ON BED KATEBH KAHO MAT CHUTEH .......NOTICE HOW SANT ALSO PROVIDES A UTHANIKA (HOW IT HAPPENED IN KABEERS LIFE) http://www.4shared.com/dir/2592350/3674aff/sharing.html

oh how amazing that after so many of my posts you realized that you wasn't including this part ਜੋ ਨ - who doesn't ....... in your explanation of the kabeer shabad..and so now you have decided to adulterate this pangtee ਬਿਚਾਰੈ - does vichaar of this fact you have written ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬ – Vedas and Quran ਕਹਹੁ -I (Kabeer) say ਮਤ - Religions ਝੂਠੇ – false ਝੂਠਾ - false is he ਜੋ ਨ - who doesn't ਬਿਚਾਰੈ - do vichaar of this fact but again you interpretation is wrong......... ਕਹਹੁ - should have been kaho mat chuteh then your arth would have been correct as in kaho nanak sab teri vadiayee.........but the shabad is written in maharaj as kahoho which doesn't mean kabeer because it is bahobachan.......its hard to write down what i am trying to say.........kahoho means what people are saying.........if it was ikbachan then it would have been kaho mat chute.... the transliteration is actually "o people dont call the veda, quran, bible,and torah as false,false is he who doesn't contemplate them"........as a gurbani santhia student the DDT samparday arth are as i have just given......the word Katebh actualy means the religious books of christianity,islam and judaism but you wouldn;t know this because you haven't done santhiya...........the word mat means dont.......as in mat bhole re man chet hari " o man don't forget vaheguruu but always try to think of him"...........your interpretation is only correct if the words were ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬ – Vedas and Quran ਕਹਹੁ -I (Kabeer) say ਮਤ - Religions ਝੂਠੇ – false ਝੂਠਾ - false is he ਜੋ - who ਬਿਚਾਰੈ - does vichaar of this fact.........but notice the one letter missing NA infact the arth are :- ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬ – VED, QURAN, BIBLE, TORAH ਕਹਹੁ - PEOPLE ਮਤ - DONT CALL ਝੂਠੇ – FALSE ਝੂਠਾ - FALSE ਜੋ WHOEVER ਨ - DOESN'T ਬਿਚਾਰੈ -CONTEMPLATE " I.M ONLY WATCHING TO SEE WHAT CONTINOUS BULL*X*X YOU KEEP POSTING ONLY SO THAT I CAN EXPOSE TO THE REST OF THE MEMBERS THAT YOU ARE NOT A GYAANI BECAUSE I'VE POSTED SANT GURBACHAN SINGH JI'S KATHA OF CHAREH VED HOE SACHIARE AND YOUV'E STATED THAT IT MUST BE FALSE WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE... AND NOW IVE GOT HOLD OF THE KATHA BY SANT JI OF ANG 1350 OF THIS SHABAD AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU SAY NOW....... KATHA BY SANT JI COMING IN ABOUT HALF AN HOUR FROM THIS POST.........VJKKHALSAVJKF

YOU WROTE Don't insult Gurbani like this. Guru Sahib, Bhagats and Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Dasam Bani have rejected vedas and other hindu books. OFF COURSE I AGREE WITH YOU THAT GURUS REJECTED VEDAS ETC AND THEMSELVES FOLLOWED SIKHI...WHEN GURUNANAKDEVJI RETURNED FROM BHENI RIVER THEY SAID "NA KO HINDU NA MUSALMAAN, SO WHOS PATH SHALL I FOLLOW I SHALL FOLOW THE PATH OF GOD" BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ >ਨ< ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ THIS IS GURUS HUKAM

QUOTE PAL07 simrit shastar pukaran pothia naam bina sab kuure gala hochia "the simrit shastars and other books all say out loudly that without naam all else is mere vanity" IF THESE BOOKS SAY THIS THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THESE BOOKS ARE FALSE..... ITS ABSURD YOU WROTE This shabad is all about doing naam simran which is highest of all. The shabad clearly states that whatever Vedas, Simartis and Puranas are saying out loud (pukaran) it is all empty talk because they lack naam. WHERE IN THE ABOVE SHABAD DOES IT SAY THAT....... THE SHABAD SAYS THAT VEDAS SIMARTIS AND PURANAS ARE SAYING OUT LOUD(PUKARAN) THAT WITHOUT NAM NEHEE CHUTKARA AGAIN YOU ARE VERY VERY CLEARLY CORRUPTING GURBANI WHY??????????????????????

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ >ਨ< ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬ – Vedas and Quran ਕਹਹੁ -I (Kabeer) say ਮਤ - Religions ਝੂਠੇ – false YOU MUST THINK I WAS BORN YESTERDAY AND YOU ARE DOING BEADBI OF GURUS SHABAD okay so forget the other two shabads that just came in my mind and lets talk about the shabad below ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬ – Vedas and Quran ਕਹਹੁ -I (Kabeer) say ਮਤ - Religions ਝੂਠੇ – false you have posted the above viyakarn arth which are fine but why have you hidden the letter N which comes in the actual shabad and indicated NAA=NOT. why are you shredding gurbani to suit our own ego

THEREFORE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR MISTAKE I'M STILL WAITING FOR AN APOLOGY !!!!!!!

i am quoting the following gurbani shabads from memory, so please forgive any mistakes though i'm sure you have heard these shabads many times before. simrit shastar pukaran pothia naam bina sab kuure gala hochia "the simrit shastars and other books all say out loudly that without naam all else is mere vanity" IF THESE BOOKS SAY THIS THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THESE BOOKS ARE FALSE..... ITS ABSURD simrit shastar khoje tat vechar bin har bhaghat nahe chutkara "the pure elements that the simrite and shastars teach is that without bhagati you cannot obtain liberation " IF THESE BOOKS SAY THIS THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THESE BOOKS ARE FALSE ............ITS ABSURD bed katebh kaho mat chuteh chuta jo NA veechare - some members here quote this shabad incorrectly as "the paths of the ved and kateb are false and false is he who does veechar on them" but how can this be ?? the viyaakaran arth (not viyakya arth) ie, meanings of words as they are spelt in words is chuta - false jo - who na - doesn't vichare - contemplate If you members are right then the Kaber shabad should have been .....bed kateb kaho mat chuteh, chuta jo vechare but its written in SGGS as bed kateb kaho mat chuteh, chuta jo NA vechare

MODERATORS CAN YOU SORT OUT THIS NIJJHAR MEMBER ONCE AND FOR ALL. PLEASE.PLEASE PLEASE.PLEASE PLEASE.PLEASE PLEASE.PLEASE

SO HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH SUCH EMNEMITY ????? TAKE THE PIS OUT OF THEIR RELIGION ??? WHAT WILL THAT ACHIEVE??? WE NEED TO BE MORE STRATEGIC LIKE THE AMERICANS

guys why cant you understand what i'm trying to say.....of course gurbani says that ved kateb don't give you mukhti or dil ka fikar na jaye because they do not give liberation or clean one's mind, but for muslims its their religious scripture and for them it is fine let them cary on,........ for hindus their scriptures are ved/puran fine, good for them, they are true for hindus and let them carry on folowing what they say, this is their belief. ............. This is the end of this now, it is clear that you guys are superbrahmgianis who have got more kamayee than Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji. Youv'e added extra bullxxxx to your post (as usual) saying im taksal and brainwashed..thats not true neither am i taksali nor brainwashed......i have prooved to you beyond doubt that Gurbani states the the ved/quran are not to be considered false yet you continued to remain concrete headed about this..........you are also stating that Sant Gurbachan Singh, SGGS, Faridot Teeka and Sahib Singh Teeka are all wrong, though they clearly state that ved kateb are not false. the vedas are the books of the four ages and, how much gyaan Prophet Mohamed or his kalifas had they put it in the Quran... Gupt Bani Parghat Kitee this is GuruNanakDevjis greatness and we are lucky we have got SriGuru......you talk about common sense i have no sense i have only the Gurus Mat ........ THE END

sikhsupreme - your last post is confusing and i'm nackered now...........can you quite simply tell me that either you believe ved/quran are false or true gur ki karne ko kahe thavho, jo gur kahia sa kar kamvho "follow what the Guru says, dont question it "..........Guru says they are NOT false so there you go end of story a sikh should say "they are not false"

have you stil got the media on your SD Card

serious babbling......it seems your talking about 21 century social problems......all answers are found in only one place SRIGURUGRANTHSAHIBJI.......GuruJi teaches us to have a strong self esteem, a strong personality, a clear conscience......basically practicing sikhi makes you a stronger person in every single way you can imagine.......this in return helps you to conquer living in modern society with all its challenges and hypocrocies. The teachings of GuruJi help you to understand and deal with issues that a aposatate couldn't cope with because he/she hasn't got the knowledge.

i accept what you are saying but what i am saying is that let a muslim be a good muslim, let a hindu be a good hindu, and you be a god sikh. Use the brahmgian that Satguruu gave us to silence muslims who say all this bull such as GuruNanak was a muslim.......go and tell em that in the mecca-kaba is the holy sandals of GuruNanakDev Ji Maharaj, go and tell them that in muslim historical books it is written that GuruSahib took the son of the head pir of bhagdad around thousands and thousands of worlds and brought back food(prasad) as evidence. If you use your tactics of lets take the piss out of there religion then Guru is not hapy with this, because sikh should remain in nimarta.this wil only fuel hatred and violence in this country

singhstah - no worries wait a couple of days..... i shall get in touch with my taksali brothers or even contact Giani Amolak Singh and get the audio of Sant Ji doing katha on the kaber pangatee and then you also owe me an apology vjkkhalsavjkfateh

bijleee singh heres Panth Rattan Brahmgiani Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Khalsa explaining that the 4 vedas are true........ ...........so now you owe two apologises 1 for misinterpreted Gurbani and 2, an apology to me for saying i quoted asa ki // incorrectly http://www.4shared.com/dir/2592350/3674aff/sharing.html

you wrote "You don't know anything about Gurbani because you are suggesting that Gurbani contradicts itself."" i never suggested gurbani contradicts itself in all those quotes you have provided non of them talk about whether ved/quran are false please provide quotes that clearly state either ved/quran are false or true MORE TO COME REGARDING ASA KI // SHABAD AND KABEER SHABAD WATCH THIS SPACE

yes dal 101 its not a big deal...but this is a sensitive issue in which you gotta know what your doing and not qoute Gurbani incorectly ps:wwww.searchsikhism's qoutes from Gurbani are out of contex .......you can't just quote one line it has to be the whole shabad

sikhsupreme you are not making a valid arguement just writing junk in post 10 bijla singh says that gurbani states that the veda/quran are false but gurbani states on the contrary. A sikh folows the teachings of SGGS, SGGS states dont call ved/quran false, therefore bijla is wrong and should accept this and apologise for writing rubbish on this message board

audio by sant gurbachan singh ji khalsa coming soon here where he says the arth are Prabhaatee: Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||

thanks dal singh for the above now bijla singh can formaly apologise for saying that vedas are false when they are not.

bijla singh in post 10 of this thread you state vedas/kuran are false but in asa ki // Satguruu states chareh veid hoe sachiaar '' 4 vedas are true'' secondly faridkot teeka states the arth of kabir bedh katebh kaho mat chuteh etc are exatly as i have stated.......could you respond to this bijla singh