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Yesterday dera dogs attacked a GURDWARA SHAIB located in the PUNJAB HARYANA BORDER police was indirectly aiding the attackers they broke the windowpanes about 300 to 400 dera pigs surrounded the GURDWARA SHAIB and 25 singhs chased away the attackers 3 singhs including a singhni were injured.

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Sikh mob runs riot in Sunam village

Sets ablaze kiosks of dera followers

Navjeevan Gopal

Cheema Mandi (Sunam), June 13: It remained a highly volatile day in Cheema Mandi village, few kms from Sunam, as a mob of Sikhs went on a rampageafter a scuffle between two dera followers and a Sikh, who was injured.

Heavy police force and a platoon of BSF had to be deployed in the village, as the mob of Sikhs set ablaze two kiosks of dera followers and a motorcycle. They also damaged few other kiosks before the BSF and a posse of Punjab Police reached to control the situation.

Even as Dera Sacha Sauda and the Akal Takht are no more fanning the controversial issue, on ground level, skirmishes between dera followers and Sikhs are becoming order of the day. As per information collected by The Indian Express, a dispute started between a Sikh, Gurjant Singh, and two dera followers, Piara Singh and Bikar Singh, today around 9 am in Cheema Mandi village.

Gurjant, who sustained injuries, alleged that his beard was also pulled by the duo. Piara, it was learnt, had returned to Sikhism a few days back in a baptising ceremony held in the village gurdwara.

Piara was given a siropa during the ceremony. When Gurjant visited his shop in the morning, Piara and Bikar were talkingabout some dera satsang, it was learnt.

On this, Gurjant asked Piara to justify the rationale of accepting the siropa if he was still interested in dera satsang.

To this, Piara, a hair dresser, alleged that he had taken the siropa only to use it as a cloth to clean the shop mirrors and scissors.

This triggered the scuffle, in which Gurjant was injured and rushed to Sunam Civil Hospital.

As per information, Sikhs started to converge on the village, saying that dera followers had injured a Sikh and pulled his beard. At 11 am, Sikhs from villages Tolewala, Jharon and Teerokalan armed with lathis, swords and sharp-edged weapons started to head towards the house of Piara Singh, where he and some other followers had taken shelter.

Acting swiftly, a police party managed to save the dera followers. The agitating mob then put on fire the kiosks and a motorbike.

SP (Headquarters) Dharam Singh claimed Piara and Bikar were arrested on the complaint of Gurjant after registering of a case and 10 other dera followers and eight Sikhs were also rounded up for disrupting peace law and order.

Later in the day, BSF held flag marches in the village amidst a heavy security that was deployed around the house of Piara Singh.

Dera jhutha has been organing attacks on Amritdhari sikhs in planned manner police and administration are backing openly dera people why they have placed security aronud attackers place only solution to sharpen our KIRPANS and get ready to hit back dera followers badly solution lies in killing them. Police supporters and civil supporters are 1 S.K ASTHANA SSP PATIALA 2 RAHUL BHANDARI DC BATHINDA.3 SK MISHRA SSP RUPNAGAR (Also supporter of autothosh pig)ssp Patiala has been most repressive on sikhs.

I know karete not perfect but can defend myself also a good shooter more than good shot one should know tactics of weapon combat postures while firing and tactics of suprise attacks if u know these even with KIRPANS u can strike fear in enemies minds. Most impotant are tactics if u know GATKA u can over power wellarmed adversery but u should adopt proper tactics and planning.

Many people on this thread have said that Khalistan "is a must". To fight for something, you must first know what you are fighting for. So please could the pro-Khalistani's answer these questions as I am a little confused on exactly what Khalistan will be.

1. What will the borders of Khalistan be? Please be as specific as possible.

2. If the borders extend into Pakistan, should we fight against the Pakistani government as well as the Indian government?

3. What will the form of government for Khalistan be? Will there be a democracy?

4. Will Khalistan allow the free expression of religion regardless of people's beliefs? Will halal meat be allowed in the country? Will wine be allowed?

5. There have been numerous cases of fights (and even murders) during election time at gurdwaras. How will you ensure that an entire country of Sikhs will remain peaceful?

6. In the years after 1984, many young Sikhs were killed in the armed struggle for Khalistan. Most of these deaths were at the hands of the Punjab Police who were 80% Sikh. So most of the deaths were Sikh on Sikh violence. Given that, how will you ensure that something like that will not happen again?

7. It is difficult to think of anything happening with Punjab politics without some form of corruption involved. The same goes for the SGPC, which runs the Akaal Takht, the highest throne of the Sikhs. How will you weed out corruption which is so ingrained into the Punjabi lifestyle and mindset?

8. Whatever the borders of Khalistan are, it will not have direct access to the sea. How will Khalistan trade with the outside world if it is at odds with India and Pakistan (bearing in mind any air freight would have to go through their airspace)?

9. Punjab is a semi-arid region. Without the rivers running through it, it would rapidly turn to desert. All of the rivers running into Khalistan would first come through India. India has diverted river water in the past from Punjab to Haryana, but cannot divert any more because of the public outcry and political minefield they would be entering. With no duty to the citizens of Khalistan, how would you prevent India from diverting ALL river flows from entering Khalistan causing it to turn to desert?

10. Agriculture is pretty much the only industry in Punjab (bar tourism). With the animosity likely to be faced from India and Pakistan and the trade barriers and huge farming subsidies in the West, who would the farmers of Khalistan sell their produce to? And if they are unable to sell beyond the borders of Khalistan competitively, how will you ensure there is not a wholesale collapse of the farming industry in Khalistan?

Those are a few of the questions I can think of. I have many more, but would like to hear responses to those above before I continue. And these are not questions that can be answered later. Before you can fight for something, you have to know what you are fighting for! Your answers will make Khalistan more than just a fanciful idea.

Personally I cannot see how Khalistan could possibly ever work, but I hope someone can prove me wrong... Yes brother IAM answering ur other queries as far as hostility of india and pak with sikh state is concerned even today hostility is there if seprate sikh state is created india will be divided in different states and same will happen in pak as far as industry is concerned there is bright future of agro based industries in future by 50-85 years from now whole rivers r going to be dissappeared expect NILE river of Africa whole world is trying hard to solve this problem as far as system of goverment is cocerned u should know that it is only GURU NANAK DEV JI WHO GAVE THE CONCEPT OF HALIMI RAJ OR TRUE WELFARE STATE OR IDEA OF BEGUMPURA COTAINED IN GRANTH SHAIB.We only need codification everything best is avilable in GRANTH SHAIB. If hindus and muslims can codify personal law from their history and scricptures why we can frame best constitution of world allthough indian constitution preamble was taken from sikh cocept ,basics of indian constitution (unchanged one)was taken from sikhism.If leftists in punjab can harp on failed concept of bloody marxism why we khalsa for asking for our selfrule r being equated with Taliban on the contray it is RSS which is running arms and teror training camps not the sikhs. Allow us to run our system accoding to sikh thought and not to create ANTI-SIKH DERAS like radhasoami , jhuta sauda, baniaradera, noormehias,etc we will make whole india a best place this is insecurity the fanatic hindus have that is why they have created fears in minds of people like you. You are carried away by it please do not mind I do not mean any offend to you if u r hurt by my reply Iam sorry for that I just want to clear misunderstanding in ur mind.

Many people on this thread have said that Khalistan "is a must". To fight for something, you must first know what you are fighting for. So please could the pro-Khalistani's answer these questions as I am a little confused on exactly what Khalistan will be.

1. What will the borders of Khalistan be? Please be as specific as possible.

2. If the borders extend into Pakistan, should we fight against the Pakistani government as well as the Indian government?

3. What will the form of government for Khalistan be? Will there be a democracy?

4. Will Khalistan allow the free expression of religion regardless of people's beliefs? Will halal meat be allowed in the country? Will wine be allowed?

5. There have been numerous cases of fights (and even murders) during election time at gurdwaras. How will you ensure that an entire country of Sikhs will remain peaceful?

6. In the years after 1984, many young Sikhs were killed in the armed struggle for Khalistan. Most of these deaths were at the hands of the Punjab Police who were 80% Sikh. So most of the deaths were Sikh on Sikh violence. Given that, how will you ensure that something like that will not happen again?

7. It is difficult to think of anything happening with Punjab politics without some form of corruption involved. The same goes for the SGPC, which runs the Akaal Takht, the highest throne of the Sikhs. How will you weed out corruption which is so ingrained into the Punjabi lifestyle and mindset?

8. Whatever the borders of Khalistan are, it will not have direct access to the sea. How will Khalistan trade with the outside world if it is at odds with India and Pakistan (bearing in mind any air freight would have to go through their airspace)?

9. Punjab is a semi-arid region. Without the rivers running through it, it would rapidly turn to desert. All of the rivers running into Khalistan would first come through India. India has diverted river water in the past from Punjab to Haryana, but cannot divert any more because of the public outcry and political minefield they would be entering. With no duty to the citizens of Khalistan, how would you prevent India from diverting ALL river flows from entering Khalistan causing it to turn to desert?

10. Agriculture is pretty much the only industry in Punjab (bar tourism). With the animosity likely to be faced from India and Pakistan and the trade barriers and huge farming subsidies in the West, who would the farmers of Khalistan sell their produce to? And if they are unable to sell beyond the borders of Khalistan competitively, how will you ensure there is not a wholesale collapse of the farming industry in Khalistan?

Those are a few of the questions I can think of. I have many more, but would like to hear responses to those above before I continue. And these are not questions that can be answered later. Before you can fight for something, you have to know what you are fighting for! Your answers will make Khalistan more than just a fanciful idea.

Personally I cannot see how Khalistan could possibly ever work, but I hope someone can prove me wrong...

Yes u raised good questions but these r all myths created by mahasha media .I will answer the question about rivers under international law u cannot damage water ways what the india media hid from public about the strong u.n action regarding divertion of Ganga waters from its side causing water loss to Bangladesh butindia had to relent when china also did divert water from ganga both were warned under un law i will reply to other issuses later as there is urgent call.

Regarding the geography of Khalistan.

Would Khalistan be the current Punjab?

If so, around 40% of the Punjab population is non-Sikh. (Just do internet search for figs)

Of the 60% Sikhs, the majority are non-keshdari.

Would Khalistan be a democracy or ruled by hukkumnamma from the Akal Takht?

If Khalistan is to be the current Punjab, i think it will be vulnerable.

It will be surrounded by India that will be looking at every opportunity to undermine the new country.

It will also be surrounded by Pakistan - which is becoming increasingly Talibanised.

Fateh. When sikhs estabilshed their rule after1764 defeating Abdali and mughals What were their numbers just 6%and 80% of population wiped out still they estabilsed best ever rule even better than modern states unlike Independent india who carried out genocide of sikhs and even anti-religion Russia who killed their own50 million people excluding those killed in chekoslovia, poland, hungary and afganistan by their invading armies or socalled americans who wiped out redindians . Do not carried away by false propaganda think freely not become slave of socalled indian colonism.

I think Guru Nanak Dev Ji has a shabad on Sikh raaj too..i'll try to find it

It is in the Guru Granth shiab in bhagt Ravidass ji vani which is recited daily in GURDWARA SHAIB about BEGUMPURA SHERER KO NAO. I will send u the page no and IN GURU NANAK DEV JI OWN VANI HALIMI RAJ MEANING TRUE WELFARE STATE . For the first time someone has given the concept of this kind. :e: :e:

Even piara bhaniara who got BEABADI OF GURU GRANTH SHAIB in2002 has got z plus security.

Does anyone know where can i get khalistan flag from? I need it.

I want to go to lords cricket ground or oval to watch india play england in the test match and want to take khalistan flag wiv me.

Why the hell would you want to take a Khalistani flag to an Indian cricket match? Don't try to bring politics into sports, man. You're looking for trouble if you end up bringing a khalstani flag at that cricket match. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Don’t be surprise if someone ends up fighting you because of the flag.

Anyone can use and hoist flag of one choice there is not any restriction if some one gets nasty over the hoisting of khalistani or any flag they will get taste medicine of their own because of khalistan phobia their DHOTIS TOPIS WILL BE THROWN BEYOND YAMUNA .Mind it in Britain the fastists will not be allowed to have their way .Be independent not be a slave KHALSA KNOWS HOW TO DEFEND THEIR NATIONAL FLAG EVEN WITH THEIR KIRPANS.

Can some please explain more information on Sigiligars any links sound very interesting

Dear brother they r believed to come to contact with sikhi for the first time during the times of GURU NANAK DEV JI they were rather are the best weapon makers . They originally belong to tribes of RAJASTAN during muslim rule they spread to southern parts. GURU HARGOBIND JI settled these hardy people in Amritsar .After 6th guru they returned to their native places to be disowned by priestly class their KIRPANS,KHANDAS, FIREARMS were consisdered to be even better than later Euopean arms. During GURU GOBIND SINGH JI TIMES these tribes came to Anandpur shaib and set up ordance factories in FORT ANANDGARH SHAIB. AND THEIR NAME SIKLIGAR IS A TITLE GIVEN BY GURU JI HIMSELF. 80% OF THE KHALSA CONVERTED ON 1699 BELONGED THESE TRIBES. They were the richest people at one time. During BRITISH times these people were catogrised as criminals due to their skills during all wars of sikhs their manufactured weapons created fear among the enemies of KHALSA. Most of hand made weapons like tegahas , kirpans NIHANGS CARRY r manufatured by them.PATIALA KIRPAN IS CONSISDERED BETTER THAN MACHINE MADE KIRPANS OF AMRITSAR. Further according to a documentry although bihar is hub of illegal arms but crminals prefer arms of Sikligars as these r best according to HT REPORTS of 2003 some of arms produced by sikligars were used by singhs during operation BLUESTAR and these arms caused severe injuries to indian forces and created lot of fear.BUT NOW THEY LIVE IN EXTREME POVERTY.

Agnivesh is a GOOD person :devil:

How u say he is a good person he is a bloody MAHASHA belonging to anti-sikh Arya Samaj how can we forget his comments about Hindi movie JO BOLE SO NIHAL in OUTLOOK MEGAZINE. Sikhs in the past has been stabbed in back by such good persons one example was the BABA AMTE who started peace march to PUNJAB, but was silent about sikhs genocide when gill and co was killing the sikhs BABA AMTE ALONG WITH WHOLE BOLLYWOOD WAS GLORIFING killers of the sikhs. wE RNOT COCERNED ABOUT SOCIAL WORK BUT ABOUT OUR KHALSA, for example MAHATAMA GANDHI DID A LOT FOR SOCEITY BUT WAS ANTI-SIKH . we r not concerned about good work . Further Swami AGNIVESH comments about sikh kakars in SGPC seminar r wellknown. Mediation of outside was the most impracticle and stupid idea of JOGINDER SINGH EDITOR OF SPOKESMAN, put into practice in more foolish manner by P.S SARNA. HAVE KHALSA PANTH BECOME SO POWERLESS TO SEEK THE HELP OF SWORN ENEMY OF SIKHS THE MAHASHAS. Swami should not be allowed to attend BHOGof BHAI KAMALJIT SINGH, IT IS JUST A STUNT. No other religion can understand the hurt the sikhs r feeling practically speaking even how much hurt we felt about the CARTOON OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD. We should deal with ourself but in peaceful manner but if our brethen r attacked like tn PATIALA AND BATHINDA THEN GIVE THEM TASTE OUR TEGHAS THEN WE R JUSTIFIED IN USING KIRPAN WHICH WE DONOT WEAR AS RITUAL BUT TO USE IT WHEN ESSENTIAL. Please do not call Vampires as vegetarian. :e:

People compare with TALIBAN but we do not mind it .r they defeated answer is no as motivating factor is religion i do not support TALIBAN but I cite some examples in1955 police entered DURBAR SHAIB AND killed a singh and in 1959 killed 55 nihangs in TARANTARN SHAIB and threw their bodies in the river in1963 IN PAONTA SHAIB gurdwara 13 nihangs were killed and HOLY GRANTH SHAIB WAS BURNT. These r some of the examples of the indian state intent why they r not copared with nazis and training camps r run by rss and company not by us. Even anti -religion state Soviet Union dictator STALIN was responsible for death of 15-18 million people. It is only KHALSA EVEN FACING GENOCIDE DID NOT KILL INNOCENT PERSON AFTER COMING TO POWER IN18TH CENTURY. So khalstan is our birthright as cocept is given in shape of BEGUMPURA IN GURU GRANTH SHAIB. We will get it and have right to get it even by use of arms

Going by recent events like killing of Kamaljit singh and killing of 2 sikhs by BSF in Gurdaspur it is high time that KHALSA should get fully armed to defend itself as it was an army and convert it into a modern 21th century fighting force and see result for themselves.

BADAL AND DERA WILL support after the pardon they are playing fixed match support for badal will come during loksabha and assembly elections by the dera along with other anti-sikh deras.

badal and dera chief are friendly and fixed match after stage managed pardon ,he will support the badal in next loksabha elctions and state ecetion.

hope BKI takes care of all these sects

i hope Vahiguroo takes care of you for inciting violence, udasi is not heretic group like nirankaris, radhaswamis, may be you read historical books on samparda's you will know than just spent 24/7 time on internet and be internet soorma's.

sunny why involve bki to do this seva? if you got juice in your balls go to india why dont you kill them all ? YOU GO GANGASTA SOUTHHALL RUDE BOI?

Dear friend I do not want to demean you but what damage UDADSIS did during MISL PERIODand after the end of SIKH RULE is knomn to sikh sangat NARAINDASS WHO KILLED 300 SIKHS IN NANKANA SHAIB WAS HEAD OF UDASIS ANDHE ALONG WITH HIS GOONS USED TO RAPE THE WOMEN SIKH DEVOTTEES. Udasis were biggest rapists before the GURDWARA REFORM MOVEMENT AND INSTTAL;ED HINDU GODS IDOLS IN HISTORIC GURDWARAS. For reference see the book on AKALI MORCHIAN DA ITIHAS. aPART FROM THIS DURING BAISAKHI festival in DURBAR SHAIB AMRITSAR VULGAR SONGS USED TO PLAYED IN COMPLEX AND WINE SALE WAS COMMON BEFORE 1920 SADHUS USED TO SAY SIKH WOMEN ARE MEANT FOR THEM .IN 1921 A 13YEAR OLD DAUGHTER OF RETIRED sikh offcer was gang raped by Narain dass ,s goons when PAATH OF RAHRAS SHAIB WAS GOING ON IN THE NANKANA SHAIB GURDWARA OF GURU NANAK DEV JI what more proof of UDASIAS can be given. THEY WERE DECLARED AS NON SIKHS AS PER GURDWARA ACT 1925. JATHEDARS BY CALLING THEM IN MEETING HAS VIOLATED THE MARYADA.

Jathedars have shown their slavery to fake sikh badal and company they have started crackdown on Panthic leaders today they have arrested Atinder pal singh in patiala more arrests of hardliners r expected but SINGHS HAVE ALREADY DECLARED WAR ON DERA THEY R TAKING OVER THE DERAS IN SUNAM, BATHINDA AND MANSA. It is high time WE SHOULD ALSO ATTACK OTHER ANTI-SIKH DERAS LIKE BHANIARA WALA AND NOORMEHILAS FINISH OFF THEM.

i dont know why I feel this is politically motivated. sacha sauda supported congress in last elections, BJP, navjot sidhu went to this baba to get his support and blessings. Now SAD/BJP is trying to water down baba's influence. Sikhs should not expect a lot from punjab govt. or SGPC. badal will only try to leverage this situation to undermine baba and win his support. If sikh jathebandis can't do anything now, this will pass just like bhaniara issue and political players will achieve their goal.

^^^^ thats the truth ^^^^

what peaceful solution is there to all this?

When dharm shakti is weak in punjab, politicians misuses religion for their personal gain. This is what is happening now. If we were pakay in our dharam then today we won't hear quotes like "Sacha Sauda dera has 2 crore followers (more than 200,000).

Western born/educated youth should understand that in such situations violence should be avoided and start working toward the positive transformation of punjabi rural sikhs (gurmat prachar). We lost one generation and we shouldn't start looking forward of loosing another.. ?

Dear brother I respect ur feelings but dera people have openly declared war on sikhs we can not plead with with folded hands not to do it.These people have to be taught a lesson not like in past but on large scale if they kill one GUSIKH WE MUST GET 200 OF ENEMIES IN RETURN. Please do not take on heart i meant no offence

Bhai Jassa Singh jee could you keep the E-Sangat updated whenever you can please. Also benti to anyone else who resides in India to keep us updated. The Punjabi newspapers online are a bit slow.

Thank you

Veer ji clashes also took place in Sriganga nagar and in Ludhiana today at 7-45 indian standard time some jathas of sikhs held demostration under Atinder pal singh in Bathinda deras supporters have laid seige to city and their numbers are 50,000. injured are being threatened to be arrested by police and administration is supporting dera openly.

waiting for protest to be called in patiala .... i have got my bercha ready and i know few sacha sauda guys here .... i just cant wait now .... but nothing is happeing in patiala

Best of luck veerji Iam also cleaning my gun and seen how many amno I have KEPT MY TEGHA READY ALTHOUGH i do not know GATKA iAM GOING TO OFFER MYSELF FOR ACTION AGAINIST DERA PEOPLE AT BATHINDA WAITING TO KILL THESE PAPPIS.

The Ardās cannot be found within the pages of the Guru Granth Sahib because it is a continually changing devotional text that has evolved over time in order for it to encompass the feats, accomplishments, and feelings of all generations of Sikhs within its lines. Taking the various derivation of the word Ardās into account, the basic purpose of this prayer is an appeal to Waheguru for his protection and care, as well as being a plea for the welfare and prosperity of all mankind, and a means for the Sikhs to thank Waheguru for all that he has done.

SO THIS MEANS ARDAS ISN'T GURBANI

WE CAN CHANGE IT WHENEVER WE WANT

I MEAN LIKE WE CAN ADD ABOUT KHALISTAN AND 1984 SHAHEED SINGHS

Yes brother it can be changed and by adding lines RAJ KAREGA KHALSA KHALISTAN HAS BEEN ADDED BY TIMES OF GURU JI. SHAEEDS NAMES CAN ALSO BE ADDED.

The Ardās cannot be found within the pages of the Guru Granth Sahib because it is a continually changing devotional text that has evolved over time in order for it to encompass the feats, accomplishments, and feelings of all generations of Sikhs within its lines. Taking the various derivation of the word Ardās into account, the basic purpose of this prayer is an appeal to Waheguru for his protection and care, as well as being a plea for the welfare and prosperity of all mankind, and a means for the Sikhs to thank Waheguru for all that he has done.

SO THIS MEANS ARDAS ISN'T GURBANI

WE CAN CHANGE IT WHENEVER WE WANT

I MEAN LIKE WE CAN ADD ABOUT KHALISTAN AND 1984 SHAHEED SINGHS

Yes brother it can be changed and by adding lines RAJ KAREGA KHALSA KHALISTAN HAS BEEN ADDED BY TIMES OF GURU JI. SHAEEDS NAMES CAN ALSO BE ADDED.

just talked with my another friend .. actual singhs who were protesting were first beaten up by sacha sodda guys ... they brought tralis full of stones before hand and they had lathis prepared when roos march reached their they used stones first and then brutally beaten the singhs ....

and now they are demanding and protesting that whoes ever protested against the sacha sauda should be taken in custody and whole sikh jagat will seek maffi from them .... in bathinda they out number singhs at some places ... and at that specific places there is danger to life of singhs from them ... thats what local singhs are saying now !!!!

Dear friend jassa veer ji for details read my new TOPIC in sikh politics I HAVE GIVEN THE WHOLE DETAILS picture appeared in today SPOKESMAN it is most ojectionable i have defect in my sccanner other wise i could have posted it. I t is high time we should give them befitting reply they only know the language of AK47. they have openy challenged the khalsa it is high time we should use our DASVANDH for defence of our KHALSA. We keep on fighting on minor issuses on biggest threat we are so helpless . If i offend u in this letter BHUL CHUK MAUF

Today on 14-5-07 highly ojectionable picture of Ram RAhim singh administering fake Amrit by copying OUR GURU GOBIND SINGH JI came in newspapers that fake sant is head of Dera sacha sauda in SIRSA. Today in BATHINDA CITY its armed followers bashed up innocent sikhs by dragging them by their KESH armed men of dera have laid seige to city beating up sikhs. It is time that sikhs should unite and give befitting reply to anti-sikh forces . To my opinion these anti-sikh people only need to be dealt with force as they think no-one can do any harm to them as administration is on their side.Police was silent spectator to this whole episode. It is high time that sikhs should raise defence forces like its own navy, air force and land forces. If administration is helping create counter administration Badal group is silent most of the congress and badal group leaders are followers of this baba who is facing charges of rape and murder. By comparing with GURU JIand creating 7 stars on the pattern of nirankaris he has challenged the self respect of KHALSA and it is duty of sikhs to give not only him but also his followers befitting reply.As per recent reports followers of this crminal baba baba indulged in violence when a sikh deputation went to present memoremdum to DC BATHINDA.The president of SHIROMANI AKALI DAL INTERNATIONAL ATINDERPAL SINGH has sent a letter to AKAL TAKHT JATHEDAR DEMANDING INTERVENTION as some of the sikhs were passers by they were bashed and humilated because of their KAKARS.Another news item of beadabi of dastar of a sikh in DEHRADUN by a police official these incidents canot be seen in isolation these are part of sikh genocide which has started since 1947.I personaly appeal to all sikh jathebandis, all nihang singh groups to come on united front and give befitting reply to antisikh forces by these acts they have declared war on sikhs and gaddhars like badal , dhinsa should also be treated like enemies.

Yes brother, I not only notice difference in bindis but in some words I could not get satis factory reply from anyone in this regard.