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Any comments yet from Akal Takht Sahib, any of the other takhts, SGPC, Damdami Taksaal, Sant Samaj, AKJ, Budha Dal, Dal Khalsa, AISSF, Anyone?

Yes apart from this singh the singhs arrested by khanna police r also subjected to inhuman torture unfortunately none of the sikh groups with the execption of panch pradhani crticised it .BECAUSE OF GROUPISM DISPLAYED BY SOCALLED SIKH GROUPS IS ENCOUARGING PUNJAB POLICE.

there is large scale arrests of sikhs by khanna ,ludhiana, Amritsar police khanna police arrested 3 youths who were injured in ludhiana firing during ashutosh protests these r manjinder singh,jaswinder singh and gurjant singh showing them as babar khalsa militants. Apart from them large no of unconfirmed arrests r going on in Punjab.

My post is not full of incorrect facts just one and I admitted my error. Besides the conversion of some muslims to sikhism doesn't constitute a victory against the Mughals who had tens of millions of muslims backing them during that time period. Winning a battle in 1634 does not mean winning a war.

It seems like you are just using my question as an excuse to vomit anti-muslim sentiment. Insulting someone who asks a question by saying "stupid thread" shows something about your ability to argue anything about religion. Please refrain from answering any question I post.

U r still confused yes it is true our Gurus were againist the most powerful kingdom unlike prophet Mohhabat who fought againist a small tribe and did not face much resistance but mention any event in history where 43 hungury and injured persons pitted againist a 1 million well armed force still none surrendered and commender in chief of forces the govornor of delhi killed. Sikhs caused a mirale by losing 95% population still defeated the enemy and established its rule it is the biggest ever victory . Our Gurus never fought for kingdom or rule but for the overall freedom of human being had guru ji wished he could have created a kingdom but he never wanted only political freedom but social ,ecomic and cultural freedomtoo.

If the Sikh Gurus were messengers of God, then why were they always being killed by Moghul forces? Shouldn't God have protected his messengers? I ask because I heard some muslims talking about how muhammad (sp?) was a victorious figure who overcame the odds to win in battle and religion. When I looked up one battle it seems as though muhammad did find himself getting a lot of "breaks" such as an enemy general secretly converting to islam and causing an overwhelming force of muhammad's enemies to flee when muhammad's defeat (and death) seemed certain. These breaks could easily be interpreted as divine intervention by muslims. When the Gurus needed God most God did not intervene. So why did the Sikh Gurus get killed off but Muhammad survived/thrived? If God was really on their side then wouldn't God have intervened like God did for muhammad? This is larger than the question of why bad things happen to good people (which this question could be interpreted as asking), since the Sikh Gurus were not just ordinary people. They were supposed to be carrying God's message.

Ur post is full of incorrect facts first even during Guru Nanak times notable muslims such as Rai Bular

,Mardana, Dluat khan became sikhs . Guru Arjun dev ji times many muslims strated becoming sikhs, during Guru Hargobind shiab times for the 1st time in1634 mughal forces forces severe defeat it was first defeat of any muslim empire from inside the empire. Besides sduring 10th master times some prominent muslims like Pir buddhu shah were devotees of gurus ansd guru resolve to remain under the will of god makes them much superior than any prophets of not only other religions but other reformers

i was reading a news item in ajit about sohan singh saying he was never part of 'panthic council' ? and some guy named atinder pal singh said people should come out with truth, people being panthic council, as these people were connected with movement which caused death of thousands of sikh youths in 80 and 90s.

Mr Sohan Singh was the founder of second panthic council formed which provided leadership 4 miltant groups like KLF ,BKI, SPLNITER KCXF ANSD SSF LATER SPLINTER BTFK LESD SUKWINSDER SINGH JOINED THEM. AS SAME COUNCIL GAVE CALL FOR BOYCOTT of elctions in 1992 which paved the way of coming into power of congress goverment under which numberless sikhs were killed singhs womenfolk molested by security forces . Mr Atinder pal singh was accused of assassination of indira gandhi besides other actions and he was among the sikh hardliners like baba manochal who wanted sikh fighters to contest the elctions and fight the war politically as he judged during his elction as MP FROM Pataiala people had sympathy for panthic cause. Same mistake was xcommitesd by ltte in sri lanka.

i was reading a news item in ajit about sohan singh saying he was never part of 'panthic council' ? and some guy named atinder pal singh said people should come out with truth, people being panthic council, as these people were connected with movement which caused death of thousands of sikh youths in 80 and 90s.

Mr Sohan Singh was the founder of second panthic council formed which provided leadership 4 miltant groups like KLF ,BKI, SPLNITER KCF AND SSF LATER SPLINTER Group BTFK LED by SUKWINDER SINGH JOINED THEM. AS SAME COUNCIL GAVE CALL FOR BOYCOTT of elctions in 1992 which paved the way of coming into power of congress goverment under which numberless sikhs were killed singhs womenfolk molested by security forces . Mr Atinder pal singh was accused of assassination of indira gandhi besides other actions and he was among the sikh hardliners like baba manochal who wanted sikh fighters to contest the elctions and fight the war politically as he judged during his elction as MP FROM Pataiala people had sympathy for panthic cause. Same mistake was commited by ltte in sri lanka.

Brahmgiani Baba Sri Chand Ji Maharaj was born unto Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Mata Sulakhni Ji at Sultanpur Lodhi, district Kapurthala, Punjab.

Baba Sri Chand Ji founded the ascetic sect of Udhasis. Baba Ji's headquarters were at Barath, 8km Southwest of Pathankot in Gurdaspur district of the Punjab.

The Udhasis functioned as preachers and established missionary centres at different places in the counttry and beyond.Through them Guru Nanak's word was carried to far corners of the land.

Baba Sri Chand Ji was a devoted Sikh and a saintly person but an ascetic and renunciate yogi.

Baba Sri Chand Ji stayed at Dera Baba Nanak and maintained this important shrine of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. He established the Udhasi sect here and they travelled far and wide to spread the word of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

Upon Baba Sroi Chand's demise at the age of 135 , the son of Guru Hargobind ji , Baba Gurditta Ji, was appointed the head of the udhasis. They received support and guidance from the Sikhs.

The Udhas is protected and maintained the historic Gurdwaras of Sri Anandpur Sahib , Sri Hazoor Sahib, Sri Amritsar for 100plus years after demise of Tenth Guru Ji. This was a time of great persecution for the Sikhs.The Udhasis kept alive the tradition of schools of learning to keep alive the Gurmukhi language and knowledge of Sikh History.

The Udhasis preached the teachings of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji but they are exempt from the Khalsa initiation.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji led a householder lifestyle whereas Baba Sri Chand Ji was an ascetic. However, they both taught devotion to God.

Bro same udasis Mahants commited the sacrileges even during Maharaja Ranjit Singh timesMahant Narain dass was a udasi who burned alive 200 sikhs in Nankana shaiab. As udasis never follow gurmat so they r not sikhs. We can call Sri Chand ji a great saint but remeber one thing he failed in test of gurmat so Guru Nanak ji prefered Guru Angad ji in Guru Nanak house only those following Gurmat is accepted other wrong doings of udasis as follows

1During occupation of gurdwaras idols of hindu gods were installed at Darbar Shiab AMRIT SAR and other Gurdwaras and sikhs were told to go to ganga at hardwar before coming to durbar shaiab

2 Women and young girls were gangraped BY sadhus at holy durbar shaiab in durbar shaiab he chief mahant son in 1915-20 declared shamelessly that sikhs should leave their women folks for them many women and girls were forcibly taken away in histroic Gurdwaras.

3 In NANKANA SHIAB IN 1920 A YOUNG GIRL DAUGTER OF A RETIRED PUNJAB OFFICER WAS GANGRAPED WHEN RAHRAS SHIAB PATH WAS BEING PERFORMED WHEN MAHANT NARAIN DASS WAS INFORMED HE JUSTIFIED IT MANY SADHUS USED TO SMOKE AT GURDWARAS AS A RESULT GURDWARA MOVEMENT WAS STRATED , GANDHI SUPPORTED UDASI MAHANTS AT THAT TIME.

Do u support such moraly corrupt people

Gurfateh sikh sangat must be beware of these fake sikhs

Obviously the report says about group rivalary between two groups.You need to read it carefully.

This is what my friend from Rouchester says who has been living there for 30 years.

It is the same committee that had invited Ragi Darshan lal twice to do bukwas.And ragi Darshan lal

does wear kirpan like all otehr visiting jathas.

Bottomline is trash newspaper spokesman is not worth to believe in.

First from snaps management members of Gurdwara do not come under sikh under the definition of sikh they r sirgums according to sikh rehat mayada I personaly feel these mmanagement needs beating with shoes and atleast 1000 kicks for demeaning sikhi if american sikhs can not do this seva people like us r ready to this seva this is mildest punishment , these rascals r reapeating same history mahant narain dass of nankana shaiab and other mahants who had commited same sin and these people need severe punishment.

I agree regarding the social and economic influences on Sikhs cutting their hair. I am glad you have mentioned rational explanations and accepted that there is indeed a problem and that today's Sikhs are diluting what it means to be a Sikh. Only The Punjab and Haryana High Court come to our rescue when it reminding us recently what trimming of hair means to Sikhs!

Even before the onset of globalization and universal TV channels promoting popular hero images in which trimmed Sikhs were the ones shown to be glamorous (the common term used is cut-serds in India). Even before that, trimming and cutting of beard and kesh was rampant in people of rural background, jamindaars and workers like (but they weren't the only ones, mind it). IIRC, the justification at that time was that it was inconvenient to maintain their hair in harsh working conditions of the fields. See where this is going? This has led to others finding excuses as well, after all, if one group can justify it and get away with it, why cannot others? I am not sure how familiar you are with Punjabi culture, I am, and I can attest to it that in today's Punjab, trimming or cutting of hair among the youth is actually considered as a great and heroic deed among their peers! There is another social insight that you probably are not aware of. The question of popularity of Turban. It is getting popular for two main reasons: its glamor in movies and the fact that it is considered as a fashion statement.

This mind set needs to change. It is very sad that youth are not appreciating other youth who have steadfast belief in their faiths, who do not trim their hair and wear Turbans not solely for fashion but as a sign of their faith.

In my view, the following things need to be done:

1. Sikh youth must be taught to focus on education, especially in the Punjab, professional as well as about origins and teachings of Sikhism.

2. Our leaders must stop playing politics and come out against trimming of beards and hair of kesh (why did the High Court have to intervene and clarify all of this?). One reason they (especially the ones in the Europe and NA) are not vocal about it is for the fear of losing sangat in the gurdwaras and losing the money offered (ਚਡ਼੍ਹਾਵਾ).

3. Our gurdwara leadership must stop all the hypocritical non-sense that is common these days. It must teach, *while* practicing, the fundamentals and teaching of Sikhism. This means, creating leading examples for the next generation, not just preaching to others with holier than thou attitude.

4. Most important, Sikh fundamentals must be followed, including, but not limited to, the following. One universal God, belief in the teaching of our gurus and SSGS, all humans are created equal and have equal rights, no sexism, casteism must end (we are not Hindus, are we!), and respect for all religions of the world.

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Iam glad u have understood the concept the questions u raised r asked by many people so I appeal to all members not to lose their cool.Unfortunately our people in majourity has given up the habit of reading. I personaly want all committees of gurdwaras and institutions run by committees to properly propagate the message of sikhi. It is only concecpt which has aim of SARBAT DA BHALLA.

gurfateh

While keeping in mind the definition of a Sikh that you just posted?

1. An increase in a trend does not mean that the total percentage has changed from minority to a majority. Example: % turbaned Sikhs: 20 in 2008, 21 in 2009. The trend shows increase, but the total percentage is still small.

2. Turbaned Sikh is different than one who does not trim his beard. But without the news source, it is difficult to understand what it was about.

I tried but could not find the news article. But if this is true, I am really glad ... but it is no indication of being out of the woods yet. BTW, are you in the Punjab?

I gave a link in an earlier post today. The biggest proof for me will be when I see our youth not trimming their kesh anymore or when I see that people away from the Punjab do not do away with their kesh and turbans for any excuses. That is the only proof that I can accept.

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See it takes time to rectify the damage but many sikh groups r doing selfless service. Due to politicalising of gurdwara committees not only SGPC but other local committees and role played by elctronic media a large number of youth r getting misguided but due to efforts of some sikh groups now sikhs r turning to sikhi . There is growing trend in older sikh generation to motivate youth to become good professionals but not the good sikhs result is that sirgums or even other sikhs r bullied by migrant biharis who not only indulge in rapes and murders but r indulging in using sikh girls for protitution. I am drifting away from the topic the unshorn hair is essential part of sikhi u can go through the jugdement in GURLEEN KAUR VS STATE OF PUNJAB case no cwp no 14859of 2008 in which Atinder pal Singh khalstani produced paintings of 400 years old showing not only sikh Gurus but the sikhs were keshadharis and verses from SAKHI REHAT KI BY NAND LAL SINGH in which strong injuctions were given by guru ji. Sikhi is not decided by numbers but by commitment only in Gurdwaras people from other faiths r welcome not in muslim, hindu religious places . U r confused by some misinterpretations. In sikhi there is concept of GURU GRANTH AND GURU PANTH . U must have noticed GURU GRANTH IS ACCOMPANIED BY PANJ PYRAS WHY THE ANSWER IS ,IN SIKHI BOTH GURU GRANTH AND GURU PANTH IS ESSENTIAL means spirit of Guru is in GURU GRANTH SHIAB AND PHYSICAL FORM IS IN GURU PANTH sikhs with 5 ks.U seem to be carried away by the large no of youths sheding sikhi but Guru ji said PEHLA MARAN KABBOOL JEEWAN KI SHADH ASAH MEANING ACCEPT FEELING OF SELF SARIFICE.Gurmukhi is essential because transalations of some key words r impossible in other words as it changes or creates new meanings.

Sant sevak u r again twisting and manipulating the facts this is not small minority but majourity of sikhs outside Punjab r true to faith another fact u r ignoring is if there r sirgums there is increase in number of turbaned and Amritdhari singhsthis was stated by IBN CNN itself in 2009 In Punjab due to propagation work done by several jathebandis u r tring to justify the wrongdoing by misguided people . If u have true figures then quote but people in Punjab r now slowly turning to sikhi biggest proof is PICS OF BBHINDRAWALE IN VEHICLES, WEARING OF T SHIRTS OF SANT JEE who was a true sikh and a saint solider . IF some sikhs their hair they will be having physical relations with their blood relatives these werethe words of Guru Gobind sINGH JI.

1. Can you please cite where this is stated as fact by a court of law? Also, which court? Please be complete and exact.

2. Can you please properly cite where you got the above pangti from?

I am genuinely interested.

Please refer to recent responses in this thread. We have already established what we mean by "equal" in terms of religions of this world. If you can find something in SGGS that actually clearly contradicts that, please quote is properly here (I am sure you won't find anything).

Which facts are you talking about that I have twisted? The examples you have quoted just show that couple of cases in which people did not want to accept people with shorn hair as Sikhੇ. The second case is irrelevant, since it involved a non-Sikh. The fact I stated is that by far the vast majority of Sikh youths today are cutting their hair and doing way will full beard and turbans. And only a miniscule minority outside of the Punjab supports unshorn hair. How can you refute this fact? The examples you quotes are quite irrelevant to this actually.

Similarly, each human being is of a religion to which his/her parents belong. As I said before, and I state again, just having unshorn hair does not make you Sikh, it might be a necessary condition to be a Sikh, but it is definitely not a sufficient one. Which part of this do you not understand?

From what I have able to understand, you are of the opinion that whoever cuts his/her hair is not a Sikh. And I accept this as your opinion, no problem here at all.

Also, could you please use proper English grammar and punctuation? It makes it difficult to understand you otherwise. But if you are more comfortable writing in Gurmukhi (I am sure you are), that would be even better. In fact, it would be awesome!

ਚਡ਼੍ਹਦੀ ਕਲਾ।

I have sent the whole judgement 1 year back 165 page pages pronounced by by full bench of Punjab and hayana high court on 31 may 2009 in gurleen kaur versus state of punjab case no is 14859 of 2008 . Secondly this lines were dictated by Guru Gobind Singh to bhai Nand lal Singh ji these submissions with other references were submitted by Atinder Pal Singh Khalastani to the courtalong with other 274 references were from rehatnamas guru granth shaiab u can search throgh website of court and the earlier posts by me by seeing the judgements ur mind will be cleared of misunderstanding. Secondly u can go through the writings of poet senpati. Conversation of Guru Nanak ji with bahrauddin in baghdad is very important if u term these as unreliable then it is ur problem. Name of Rehatnama of Bhai Nand lal is called SAKHI REHAT KI and PRASAN UTTAR . Desa Singh REHATNAMA is almost same those cutting hair are termed as SIRGUMS those doing kurahit after taking Amrit which includes trimming or cutting of hair are called PATITS.

You are right in the sense that all Sikhs should not cut their hair. I am not contesting that. But the keyword is "should not".

If you read my post completely within the context, you will see I tried to make two points. The first was kids' behavior issues at teen years. Do you agree to point or not?

The second point was related to current issues with Sikhs and equality of religions. Have you been to the Punjab recently? More than 75% "Sikhs" have cut their hair in one form or another. If they are not Sikhs, it should be clarified. Are you familiar with the state of Sikhs outside the Punjab? I would wager that more than 95% have cut their kesh. Are they still Sikhs? Moreover, are non-amritdharis also Sikhs? Who is a Sikh? On the flip side, our gurus have taught us that all religions of the world are equal. Do you agree?

There is another point I tried to make, just having Kesh does not make you a Sikh. Based on a Sikh religion, is may be considered as a necessary condition but it is by no means sufficient one. On a human level, being a non-Sikh does not make you any lesser of a human being. All human are created equal, as taught by our gurus.

Please reply by reading my whole reply and do not pick any part out of context. This helps in a mature and thoughtful discussion, instead of fanatical claims and fear mongering.

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These r not fanatical claims these r facts admitted and recogined by court in definition of sikh case no 1 Guru has said Rehat PYRARI MUGH KO SIKH PYRA NAHIN .U talk about the people cutting kesh they r Sirgums Rehat Nama and historic facts r dictated by Guru ji. No2 Khalsa is Supreme Khalsa Akalpukurkarh ki fauj Sikhism is Supreme AS GOD HAS GIVEN HIS OWN APPEARANCE TO KHALSA HOW CAN OTHER RELIF\GIONS EQUAL TO SIKHI .As far as people cutting hair is concened u r twisting the facts go and visit Mahaastra ,delhi , M.p . In jabalpur anand karaj of shorn sikhs have been refused by local sangat 2 years back in mubai a barat was refused permission by local gurdwara as gromm was a hindu. Each human being is a sikh and sikh can never be a fanatic those very Khalsa gave ideal rule where every community was safe during Banda Singh Bahadur time,Misal rule and Maharaja Ranji Singh times, while anti religion left rule excesses in china ,east germany and Russia r welknown . Then why main sikh prayer demands sikhi with kesh ? Numbers are immaterial after Ranjit Singh sikhs reduced from 1.5 crores to 8 to 10 lacs but this is quality of sikhi . Each human being is born sikh with unshorn hair .If yonug people indulge in anti sikh acts it is due to lack of propagation or out side influence one should be strong enough and wellarae of sikh history,traditions Iam sorry to say those sheds the kesh or eeal of guru r sirgums and this is word of Guru not me and we r nobody to change or misinterpert the sikhi. Sikh is true son of Akalpukarkh . and have appearence of god.

Quite right. I also was thinking of the same thing while going over it just now.

Coming back on topic though, I think I really like the reply by Wales85 which was the most practical given in the context. He is absolutely right that at this school age (teens till you go to a univ., where these petty considerations are usually not present) is the most crucial and impressionable. Peers will always find one excuse or another to pick at you. Facial hair and turban are just a bit more obvious targets. If you get rid of these, you will have to face similar problems for other obvious differences (skin color, non-brand clothes, accent, vocabulary, intelligence, stupidity, glasses, long height, short height, large weight, small weight, ... what have you). This is just part of that age. The real question should not be if I want to keep my hair, the question should be how do I stay clear and determined in my faith. If one cuts his/her hair under peer pressure, where does one draw the line? Drugs, cigarettes, binge drinking, promiscuity, shop lifting ... just to blend in one may have to indulge in all of these!

You see, this is not a question for a young Sikh, it is a question for any youth who is different from the "norm". Schools should be educating the kids so that these kind of behaviors are minimized, that all kids are alright even if they appear different. And that one has much higher goals in life than to compete for better clothes or to get laid most often last year, etc.

The moment we get comfortable with our appearance and accept that that is the way *we* like it and that is the way *all sane* people will like it too! People who pick on these kind of differences are just not yet mature enough.

Now, regarding if Sikhs must keep their hair. I honestly do not know the real answer now a days. Just having one's beard and kesh does not define a Sikh. Note that our gurus taught us that all religions are equal. So they accepted all of them. They also taught that God is one. Given these two teachings, one can conclude that the real goal of life should be to lead a good life for the betterment of all beings ... since all religions teach this in one way or another. Religion is just a choice of each person. Sikhs choose to be of a certain appearance. That doesn't mean people without beards are any lesser than others.

But bro all sikh gurus were KESHADHARIS read the conversation of Guru Nanak ji with Bahruudin in Mecca in which Guru ji has said both hindus and muslims have become sirgum or headless with shorn hair u r speaking the language of radhasoamis ,noormehilas UNSHORN HAIR OR KESH IS FIRST TEST FOR SIKHI WHY WE PRAY TO KEEP KESH WITH BREATH, .Secondly Guru Gobind Singh ji told the bhai Nand lal singh ji THOSE SIKHS WHO CUTT THE HAIR OR TRIMS THE HAIR IS LIKE HAVING PHYSICAL RELATIONS WITH BLOOD RELATIONS. Guru Gobind Singh has further said those interacting with sirgums or clenshaven sikhs will be tankhias do not be slaves with other thinking. Ardass for sirgums can never be performed nor accepted , Person like u should attempt to be good sikhs do not try to be higher and greater than Guru jis

Gurfateh

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1. we all know bout the shaster man in amritsar i got contact details anyone got the address?

2. also heard theres a shaster making factory also in amritsar is this true and if so does anyone know where or have contact details?

3. theres another factory in ratoval ludhana does anyone have contact number and address

4. also theres a nihang singh or factory in Anadpur Sahib if im not mistaken anyone have contact details and location.

Hopefully will have chance to get to Hazoor Sahib i know of some nihangs there but in case i dont and i stay in punjab could anyone be of any help

If u want good shasters at low prices u can visit the damdami Taksal stall near the gurdwara dukhniwaran shaiab in Patiala it is same stuff and but better at low price I must tell u there is no comparison with Buddha dal kirpans I have posted details in earlier on this topic buddha dal teghas r just best go for it u will forget the other stuff if u want it as a weapon or visit buddha dal stall near shidi bagh in Patiala in patiala u will get best best shsters at reasonale prices.

gurfateh

Disinformation being created on the boards the NAxals are actually very sympathetic to the Sikh cause in fact their leaders visited the UK to support the SIkh seperatist issue

Anyone on this board who speaks against them is speaking against a mans right to freedom which is what the naxals want indepedant of any dictatorship

I dont know about the Naxals views but they seem to be fighting for the same cause as the Sikhs

As Che guevera said anyone fighting for freedom is my brother and my enemies enemy is certainly my brother

That police officer was certainly cruel which is why Naxals would have killed him exactly like the cruel police of Punjab who killed innocent Sikhs

Using the fact that mao slept with teenage girls is a blatant sign of disinformation (a commonly used Indian/hindu tactic) even if he did he is dead now and didnt Mahatma Ghandi sleep with animals as well as young teenage girls as well as being a racist so me thinks that gives us a right to condemn every hindi in India

Hawk13 every man and woman has a right to freedom of speech whether this be maoists sikhs christians or jews we will unite and beat the common enemy despite your tactics

ANY I MEAN ANY INFORMATION AGAINST THE MAOISTS IS QUICKLIY BEING POSTED AROUND ALL SIKH BOARDS ON THE INTERNET TO KEEP A LID ON THE HUGE PROBLEM INDIA IS FACING FROM WITHIN

NO DOUBT THEY WILL TRY AND KILL ALL OF THESE NAXAL FAMILIES LIKE THEY DID IN SRI LANKA - BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF AFTER KILLING THE NAXALS THE MUSLIMS THE SRI LANKANS AND THE SIKHS THE WORLD WILL WANT AN ANSWER

Man u have not said anything about the wrong doings being done with regard to killing of Babars families by naxals during sikh strugle ur dog Mao killed 70 lac during cultural revolution in china burning mosques muslim uprising stated during that period in china do u justify killings of innocent students in Tinnammen chowk .What about ur supportes farmer group hooliganism in Chandigarh and antisikh writings by Raunki Ram and Rajiv LOchan, Support extended to AShutosh PIG BY naxal leaders ur agenda is clear get support from sikhs like brahmans got and then destroy their religion What about the friendship naxal enjoyed with narender modi and taraksheels antisikh propagation . GO AND GLORIFY MAO IN CHINA AND SEE THE REACTION OF CHENSE U WILL NOT STAND A SECOND WHAT ABOUT ABUSE BY BKU LEADER TO SANT JEE U HAVE FAILED IDOLOGY WITH GENOCIDES OF PEOPLE STALIN FAMILY GOT SHELTER IN INDIA ONLY.ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THE MAO IS BY HIS RELATIVES AND CLOSE FRIENDS DO NOT FOOL THE PEOPLE THIS IS RELIGIOUS SITE UR COMRADES BHUPINDER BRAR DEMEANS SIKHI BY HIS ACTIONS U NAME ANYONE SUPPORTING SIKH CAUSE U R AS BAD AS RSS IN TRAIN BLAST IN BENGAL U R NAXALS KILLED 40 SIKHS. WHAT ABOUT UR TRACK RECORD ABOUT THE GENOCIDE U COMMITED SO SIKHS SHOULD BE BEWARE THESE ANTI GOD PEOPLE EVEN TALIBAN R BETTER THAN U.U JUSTIFY THE DISGRCING HOLY KAKAR KESH OF SIKHS SEE WHEN U DID SAME TO A SIKH POLICEMAN IN BIHAR HOW THE OTHER SIKH SOLIDERS KILLED UR 100 COMRADE IN BIHAR.

Can you provide credible sources for what you have said? Here are some recent reports:

Sukhwinder Singh case is on record oF high court of Punjab and high court. How can u forget about editor of surakh rekha who was sent to hell in 1983 ,preetlari and his supporters just naxal r tring to use sikhs like fodder like HINDUWADIS, HOW CAN ONE FORGET CULTRAL REVOLUTION OR LARGE SCALE KILLINGS IN 1969 BY BLOODY MAO OR TINNAMENN CHOWK polannd invasion,hungary invasion by soviet union in which 2 million people died and STALIN GENOCIDE SO SIKHS SHOULD FORM RANVIR SENA LIKARMED GROUP TO KILL NAXALS IN PUNJAB.Scores of naxal were killed sikh fighters as they were involved in killings of families of babaras like master Amrik singh, atma singh etc and go and see Ranuaki ram and rajiv lochan statements at time of ludhiana kand just last year tarsem peter a labour leader with naxal leanings was caught burning HOLY GURDWARA. MAO AND MARX ARE BIG FRAUDS MAO USED TO SLEEP WITH TEENAGED GIRLS IN HIS LAST DAYS HOW CAN THEY BE ROLE MODELS OF SIKHS THEY JUST NEED KICK IN THE BACK.In 2008 they killed a sikh police officer after doing beadbi of his kesh in orrisa.

See bro naxalite r fanatic leftists their movement started in Naxalbari village for this these r known as naxallites in 1952 or 50. iN Punjab these persons strated their movement in same time by looting police station in Sri Hargobinpur and chamkaur shaib , They joined sikh political parties in 1960 and their biggest suppoter was G.S Tohra . These people r ANTI SIKH PEOPLE noted historians such as j.s gre wal are known leftists other leaders are chandumajra, B,S BHUNDER, and 60/ percent of mann group are pro leftists, THERE ROLE DURRING SIKH MOVEMENT WAS ANTISIKH they formed armed groups to kill the families of sikh figters and joined the as police cats there were prominent police cats still operating like sukhi cat another sukhwinder singh alias generel dyal singh who killed the families of BAbar Khalsa singhs. they r biggest manipulaters they r taking advantages of anti tribal policies. In punjab they have student group under the name of punjab student union, during 80s they weakened due to popularity of sant ji. their agenda in punjab is to destroy panth which can be judged from taraksheel group materials unfortunately sikh groups are not realising their threat Indian goverment is leniant as due fear of losing votebank of low castes and some of their allies like rjd,trimool congress r supporters during ludhiana kand their leaders like punjab university teacher raunki ram supported the ASHUTOSH AND BIHARIS AND JUSTIFIED THE USE OF FORCE ON SIKHS

Hi,

I recently saw a procession of sikhs go by (southampton) and I was quite amazed by proceedings. This made me interested in the Sikh religion. I currently do not have a religion.

Could you advise me on what the key principles and practices of your faith? What do you exactly believe in and what is your concept of life?

I noticed most people from the procession were South Asian, is your religion for people of all races or is it mainly within India?

Many Thanks.

BusinessLady

Mam first word in Sri Guru Granth Shiab is EKONKAR means only one Almighty that is God secondly why we keep unshorn hair answer is that when a human being takes shape first shape is tail like which is actually hair when a human takes birth he has unshorn hair so it s correct to say each humanbeing is born as a sikh. Although Guru Gobind Singh ji included unshorn hair as the first test for Sikh but first Guru Nanak ji also lays emphasis on unshorn hair as it is clear from many events related to his travels all sikh Gurus along with their families and other sikhs had unshorn hair as the oldest wall paintings bear testimonial to it. So sikh is successor to Almighty and Amrit or believe in holy nectar along with strict code regulates a sikh life. As God gives a soul human to live like humans only sikh code of conduct guides true human beings to live like humans even in worst diasters like war, natural calamities.

Threats against people should be taken seriously how ever to blame a whole sikh temple reeks of something this gentleman is up to.

If you look at the approach of the media it is obviously trying to misalign the sikh image (orthodox)

What we have to accept is that a Dosanjh is a Sikh and by attacking him we areplaying into the powers that be hands so what we are required to do to fight an allegation such as this is start a Facebook page restricted of course from the gurdwara in question and let it be known that us Sikhs abhore violence and the views of one individual do not mean we all feel this way that is like saying all canadians support hitler because they are white.

So mods in order to repair the sikh image and acknowledge that dosanjh is a fellow sikh and we do not support violence group on facebook should quell this negative propoganda against the gurdwaras and put the sanctity of our religion and its image in Canada back where it should be.

There are some very very cunning people working in the background and they want any evidence of a genocide against the sikhs covered up so be on the lookout.

Ujjal is no sikh do not call him a sikh U will be insulting both sikhi and sikh gurus HE is a bloody Sirgum this is name our Gurus from Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind sINGH HAS given to a person being born in sikh family shears hair U can read the conversation between Guru Nanak and pir Bharudin in Mecca I and u r nobody to decide who is sikh further in during ludhiana visit he claims to be a arya samaji and marxist both failed ideologies. He is the enemy of panth and we people. He

should be botcotted for his misdeeds,

so sad. waheguru.

May Guru Maharaj keep him with him but we need true singhs like him I pray to Guru ji to keep him in his charan.

Gur fateh

You can bring kirpans and sort of stuff in US without any problem (checked in luggage of course). Sunny singh doad, you can check up with your country rules. Also, everyone can see whats inside when luggage goes thru x-ray, so it won't matter how you wrapped ur kirpan etc. Kirpans/Khanda/Dhaal are not illegal to bring abroa.

I do not know about the security check but if u want good shasters go to Patiala Damdami taksal stall near dukhnivaran shaiab and shop adjoining the taksal shop u will find excellent kirpans that person shows a customer difference between real and duplicate metal apart from these u should go to shaidi bagidhi near buddha dal school for sarbloh Sri shaiab although near dukhnivaran shaiab u can get same shaters. Near motibagh gurdwara siklighar singhs sells good shasters. In Amritsar same shaters from patiala r sold on high rates in Amritsar u can rarely get good handmade Kirpans. If u want to buy chinese shaters there is elderly singh stall near jallianbagh where u can get chinese made kirpans at half rate as he is main distributer to whole state.

Gur fateh

Do you know the approximate location in Patiala? I'm going to be going to Bhatinda and would like to locate the stall, also do you have an approximate how much a high quality kirpan/khanda would cost me in rupees?

It is just 15 or 10 mintues distance to bus stand if u go to Dukhniwaran shaiab just outside Gurdwara shaiab near the STD booth there is Damdami taksal stall and before that another shop these people sell the kirpan starting at 350 rupees to 1500 but if u want to buy as a weapon u can get good tegha at 700 rupees at the most u can reduce to 50 rupees after bargaining these same shasters r sold 1200 to 20,000 even some more costly at other places do not tell u r NRI .Motobagh gurdwara is litle far away sho no b-21/511 nabha gate sells good shasters but at more prices at shahidi bagh u can get buddha dal teghas at 700 rupees I hope u could have visited Anandpur Shaib hola mohalla kirpans a strating at 600 to 900 rupees I found were the best ever I have ever seen.

gurfateh

sorry I forgets to tell u can get buddha dal teghas stamped one near dukhnivaran shaiab also. and in other shops u can get good kirpans at compititive rates instead of Amritsar one should buy shasters from Patiala I have heard that at Jhar Shaiab near Chamkaur Shaiab a nihang singh makes good kirpans but I was told by a singh kirpans covered in mango wood sheath can be preserved for long time.

You can bring kirpans and sort of stuff in US without any problem (checked in luggage of course). Sunny singh doad, you can check up with your country rules. Also, everyone can see whats inside when luggage goes thru x-ray, so it won't matter how you wrapped ur kirpan etc. Kirpans/Khanda/Dhaal are not illegal to bring abroa.

I do not know about the security check but if u want good shasters go to Patiala Damdami taksal stall near dukhnivaran shaiab and shop adjoining the taksal shop u will find excellent kirpans that person shows a customer difference between real and duplicate metal apart from these u should go to shaidi bagidhi near buddha dal school for sarbloh Sri shaiab although near dukhnivaran shaiab u can get same shaters. Near motibagh gurdwara siklighar singhs sells good shasters. In Amritsar same shaters from patiala r sold on high rates in Amritsar u can rarely get good handmade Kirpans. If u want to buy chinese shaters there is elderly singh stall near jallianbagh where u can get chinese made kirpans at half rate as he is main distributer to whole state.

Gur fateh

Do you know the approximate location in Patiala? I'm going to be going to Bhatinda and would like to locate the stall, also do you have an approximate how much a high quality kirpan/khanda would cost me in rupees?

It is just 15 or 10 mintues distance to bus stand if u go to Dukhniwaran shaiab just outside Gurdwara shaiab near the STD booth there is Damdami taksal stall and before that another shop these people sell the kirpan starting at 350 rupees to 1500 but if u want to buy as a weapon u can get good tegha at 700 rupees at the most u can reduce to 50 rupees after bargaining these same shasters r sold 1200 to 20,000 even some more costly at other places do not tell u r NRI .Motobagh gurdwara is litle far away sho no b-21/511 nabha gate sells good shasters but at more prices at shahidi bagh u can get buddha dal teghas at 700 rupees I hope u could have visited Anandpur Shaib hola mohalla kirpans a strating at 600 to 900 rupees I found were the best ever I have ever seen.

gurfateh

You can bring kirpans and sort of stuff in US without any problem (checked in luggage of course). Sunny singh doad, you can check up with your country rules. Also, everyone can see whats inside when luggage goes thru x-ray, so it won't matter how you wrapped ur kirpan etc. Kirpans/Khanda/Dhaal are not illegal to bring abroa.

I do not know about the security check but if u want good shasters go to Patiala Damdami taksal stall near dukhnivaran shaiab and shop adjoining the taksal shop u will find excellent kirpans that person shows a customer difference between real and duplicate metal apart from these u should go to shaidi bagidhi near buddha dal school for sarbloh Sri shaiab although near dukhnivaran shaiab u can get same shaters. Near motibagh gurdwara siklighar singhs sells good shasters. In Amritsar same shaters from patiala r sold on high rates in Amritsar u can rarely get good handmade Kirpans. If u want to buy chinese shaters there is elderly singh stall near jallianbagh where u can get chinese made kirpans at half rate as he is main distributer to whole state.

Gur fateh

A book titled sikh itihas in hindi released by sgpc later withdrawn which demeans Guru Har Rai ji by mentioning Ramrai was born to maid mentioned by giani Harinder Singh in time tv is another black deed by badal stooges even a severe punishment will be less I am tring to get hold of the book name of author is not mentioned it seems to mischief of a rss or a marxist lobby. So sikhs allover the world should boycot badals and throw his stooges from sgpc .