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baba balwant singh ji is a true saint and unparalleled example of maintaining sarv dharam sadbhav
It is beyond the mental ,intellectual capabilities of pranis like me to describe about the great personality like babaji siode wale
now for slanderers i would comment u do not have any right to make a comment about baba ji without actually meeting him
His face is radiant as sun and i was wonderstuck when i first had his darshan and has all the qualities of true brahamgyani as mentioned in sukhmani saheb
and above all his contributions to sikhi, education and humanity above all is unparalleled in todays world
he is perfect example of great mahapurkh who think about humanity as a whole not only for one religion caste or creed. example is numerous krishna temples he got constructed in kurukhshetra and university started in there and people of all creeds who pay respects to him
Slanderers think before you leap
Iam not slandering anyone but building hindu temples and propagating it is like creating mahasapan and is againist the sikh tenets sikh only beleives in almighty IKONKAR not in any gods and goddeses a true sikh is the swroop of guru ji and Akal pukurakh only great mahapuruashs are sikh shaeeds from medival times to modern day those r bharmgyanis sikhi seeks sarbat da bhalla and is a only religion where all types of people are welcome what about his attempts to create a parrellel DURBAR SHAIAB which is unpardonale remember onething even Ram rai , Sri chand were all spiritualy high but can never be regarded as sikhs so is the case of most of the sants they can be high on spirituality but if low on rehat Guru ji will never admit them in his fold as guru ji has said REHAT PYARI MUDH KO SIKH PYRA NAHIN
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U r totaly unaware of facts but r twisting facts Sant ji was never scared of indian army secondly it was gameplan of antisikh forces to prop up nirankaris this cult was getting help from Sardar patel in 1948 and no cult became strong in small year iT WAS the RSS AND ITS ELEMENTS WHO GAVE SUPPORT TO indira, people like vajpayee openly supported anti sikh cults and called indira as durga it was a fascist hindu ideology which r attacking sikhs we must not forget that it was the fanatic sadhus who became worst enemies of sikhs during the life of GURU NANAK . A section of muslims became enemies of sikhs during the time of guru arjun dev ji it was the political rather a religious cause as large no of pathans and other high ranking mughal officials were turning towards sikhism so do not go by self styled writers go by the truth.Nehru Mobarak Ali - Created Bloodshed in Punjab in 1947
Indira Maimuna Begum - Created Bloodshed in Punjab again in 1984
Rajiv Ghazi Khan - Created Bloodshed against Sikhs in Delhi and in Punjab in the name of removing Terrorism for more than 10 years.
Ever wondered why terrorism in punjab came to end after the death of Rajiv Ghazi Khan who was the actual person carrying the torch of terrorism in which he wanted to burn entire punjab.
I am glad that a brave Indian named Prabhakaran stood up for the rights of Tamils and threw this person in garbage where he actually belonged.
I SALUTE TO THE BRAVE BHINDRANWALE
I SALUTE TO THE BRAVE PRABHAKARAN
May God Give thousand times deaths to the enemies of Sikhs who are prospering under Congress.
Indira Gandhi's real name was 'Maimuna Begum'. She lived like a Muslim all her life. The Sultan of Saudi Arabia had invited her to Mecca. It is noteworthy that only Muslims are allowed to visit Mecca. She once told Shri. M.O. Mathai, the personal secretary of Nehru, her father, 'I hate Hindus. I will never marry a Hindu.'-(Ref.:swordoftruth.com )
Not 'Indira Feroze Gandhi','Indira Feroze Khan'!
Feroze Gandhi is considered a Parsi because his mother was a Parsi before her marriage to his Muslim father Nawab Khan; but since she converted to Islam before her marriage, their son Feroze Khan is a Muslim and not a Parsi by birth. This was the reason why Kamala Nehru opposed Indira's marriage to him.
Despite a Muslim wedding (nikah) with Feroze in a London Masjid, a fake picture of their marriage in Vedic style was published to fool the Indians !
A fake picture of Indira and Feroze marriage in Vedic style (Published to fool the Indians)
http://www.hindujagruti.org/activities/campai...
Feroze Khan married Indira in a Masjid in London. Well-known English newspapers publicized this event. When the couple returned to India, it was arranged to get a photograph of the couple married in Vedic style for publishing in India. Later all these photographs were exhibited in 'Anandbhavan'.
Shri. M.O. Mathai, Nehru's personal secretary has written this in his book,'Reminiscences of the Nehru Age'(now banned by the Indian Government) that 'due to some inevitable reason the otherwise prudent Nehru allowed this wedding to be performed in Vedic style despite knowing that performing an inter-caste and an inter-religious marriage in Vedic style was illegal.'
With the advice of Mahatma (?) Gandhi, Nehru changed the name of 'Feroze Khan' to 'Feroze Gandhi'
When Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi learnt that Indira had embraced Islam he immediately summoned Nehru and advised him to change the name of his son-in-law from Feroze Khan to Feroze Gandhi. The purpose in this was to fool Indians that he was Parsi and not a Muslim. This was done by a renowned lawyer from Allahabad, Sir Sapru, a close associate of Motilal Nehru, in a Mumbai court by presenting an Affidavit. Even today, mystery shrouds Feroze Gandhi's death!
The truth is that after the birth of Rajiv Gandhi, Indira and Feroze were living separately, but did not separate legally. Feroze Gandhi perpetually harassed Nehru for money and also interfered in his political maneuvers. Nehru was fed up of Feroze' ways and had given instructions to deny access to Feroze Gandhi to his official residence 'Teenmurti Bhavan'. In his book Shri. Mathai writes,'Both Nehru and Indira Gandhi heaved a sigh of relief after the death of Feroze Gandhi'. Just as Feroze Gandhi started getting some political acclaim, suddenly in 1960 he expired. Even today his death is a mystery. Feroze Gandhi had even contemplated a second marriage, but he died before that.
These r personal details which have no relevance as per prabhakaran is concerned he and his group faced tanks and heavy guns for just limited time and were having anti tank weapons regular air force besides submarines still he got defeat but sikhs led by Sant ji with no air force ,no anti tank armour faced air borne gunships ,mustard gas shells of 155 mm fired from russian mountain guns and t 72 tanks not the vijant tanks still singhs came out victorious giving dhoti topiwallahs a befitting reply which they could not forget if we ignore the defiling of holy place it is a milatary victory till the last breath of great bhidrawale no indian troop could advace even a inch and later singhs shook the roots of indian state due lack of political support the movement got setback not the defeat now movement is getting consolidated in new form and will be victorious soon.
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U r totaly unaware of facts but r twisting facts Sant ji was never scared of indian army secondly it was gameplan of antisikh forces to prop up nirankaris this cult was getting help from Sardar patel in 1948 and no cult became strong in small year iT WAS the RSS AND ITS ELEMENTS WHO GAVE SUPPORT TO indira, people like vajpayee openly supported anti sikh cults and called indira as durga it was a fascist hindu ideology which r attacking sikhs we must not forget that it was the fanatic sadhus who became worst enemies of sikhs during the life of GURU NANAK . A section of muslims became enemies of sikhs during the time of guru arjun dev ji it was the political rather a religious cause as large no of pathans and other high ranking mughal officials were turning towards sikhism so do not go by self styled writers go by the truth.singhawk our war is with the brahmin forces stop making up facts she was a fanatical bamani - which is fact!
Sant ji was never no agent neither was Prabakaran both are Shaheeds of their nations
don't you dare call the Khalistan movement false which our shaheeds founded and gave their blood and whole llives for for from 1978 - now,heros like Gajinder Singh have given their wole lives away for the cause in bhai sahibs case since 1981 a founding father of the Khallistan movement before bluestar - in exile after hijacking a plane to get Sant Ji released .1984 the foundation was laid 1986 Khalistan decarled to the world from Akal Thakt - Sarbat Khalsa so who are you to call it false
WHAT I INTEND TO SAY THAT "A PROCESS" WAS STARTED BY INDIRA MAIMUNA BEGUM TO COMPLETELY SIDELINE SIIKHS FROM MAINSTREAM INDIA. Also she had a long grudge against Sikhs since Nehru - family was a loyal to Aurangzeb since they were Sunni-Muslim and not pandit. They were previously known as bandit which they turned into pandit and later to Gandhi to fool indians especially Hindus. There are unconfirmed reports that After Guru Gobind Singh two sahebzada were killed mercilessly, the bandit family of nehru ancestors received whole lot of money and land from aurangzeb. They are the descendants of Sunni-Muslim family and were loyal to the Aurangzeb.
THIS "INVSIBLE PROCESS" initiated by Indira Maimuna Begum to sideline SIKHS took the shape of Khalistan after 1984. However, if you look at the whole process you will see that the initiater of this process was EVIL MAIMUNA BEGUM and no other whose motive was to kill as many sikhs as possible and that too within the holy premises of Harmandir Sahib. :sad:
The only way for Indira Maimuna Begum to attack Akal-Takht was to first label Sant Bhindranwale as a pro-khalistani terrorist which is completely FALSE.
This is what I was reffering to as FALSE. Sorry if you felt bad :umm:
He only acquired weapons to turn heat on the false Nirankaris who were responsible for the death of innocent 17 sikhs and had full support from the Congress because Indira Maimuna Begum wanted to kill Sikhs at every cost.
Sant Bhindranwale sacrificed his life for people of India. He would have done same if there was an attack on any other religion by any cruel barbarian as (Aurangzeb/Indira Maimuna Begum) to prove True Word of Guru Tegh bahadur.
I heard his radio broadcast where he said that
"I want a Hindu to live a life of a True Hindu"
"I want a Muslim to live a life of a True Muslim"
and
"I also want a Sikh to live a life of a True Sikh"
Where does question arises of Hindu-Sikh fight when fight was a between a false group of Nirankaris [claiming themself as part of sikhism] who look like Hindus but their religious leaders look like Sikhs.
Sikhs are integral part of India and labelling Sant Bhindwanwale as terrorist would be similar as saying that Shaheed Bhagat Singh was a terrorist, which Nehru/ Mohandas Gandhi always projected and suceeded.
Indira Maimuna Begum was not a daughter of Mohandas Gandhi, neither her husband then how did she became Indira Gandhi after death of Mohandas Gandhi ?? She was a corrupt lady who was neither Hindu, nor Muslim, and it feels sad that people from our community ask you questions "I did not know she was a muslim". She acquired Hindu name just to fool both Hindu/Sikhs and to project that there is some major fight going on between them and Khalistan is going to be created.
Search Google for "Maimuna Begum", you will see thousands of links on who was Maimuna Begum. Ever wondered why there is a HAJ Terminal only at Indira Maimuna Begum Airport at Delhi ???????????????????????????
Indira Maimuna Begums husband name was Feroze Ghazi Khan which he cleverly changed into Gandhi since they knew that most of the Indians are fools and will believe whatever they tell them.
Read this http://groups.yahoo....r/message/15730
There are thousands of Hindu websites which name Indira as Indira Maimuna Begum ? Are they stupid to label someone from their community as Muslim now ??? :6 She was a sunni-muslim and not a Hindu 100 % sure
References:
http://www.krishnajnehru.blogspot.com/
http://www.sikhsiyas...r-of-june-1984/
http://mynewsscrapbo...hru-family.html
It is sad that some people from our community are unaware of this fact and make their decisions without looking into this angle.
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It was in dainik jarran and incident happened in jalandhar and he was recharging his friend mobile from the shop the shopkeeper and his son paaed some remarks which led to fight he was not be blamed wht would happen if a sikh had thrown a janue on ground it is tormenting for a true sikh and sikhs r always at receving end that singh has shown the way.
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GUR FATEH
As per news item of 27 dec.2009 two shopkeepers of Rama mandi jalandhar were shot dead by a army lancenaik as while rechrarging his moblie after heated arguments both father and son owner of shop threw the dastar of a sikh soldier named Sukhbir singh in the ground and pulled his beard and kesh. That sikh could not sleep whole night due to disgrace and humilation given to him by communal minded persons after 1 or 2 days he stole a pistol and two bullets from armoury and shot dead both the persons with one bullet each as he was a sharp shooter from the one of emty the police contacted the company and went after the regiment the 7th sikh. So we must support his family as although it is bad to kill someone but the disgrace and disrespect shown to sacred kakars made him take this step the sikh groups the damdamitaksal, dal khalsa must support this sikh. And also he proved his skill one bullet one prey.
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I request the admin or other members to post more info about this ashutosh pig so that sikhs may be aware of this pig full of dirt and be aware about his activities.
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If all members like or not I have seen his comments on many pages particularly about the demeaning Guru Angad Dev ji he wants attention if I knows about him I promise I will send him to hell it will be great honour to me.How can you flag him?
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Punjabis should learn to respect and accept migrants as the former have been accepted world over and have never been looked down upon.
These are the words of Jagrup Brar, a Punjabi elected for the third consecutive term to the Legislative Assembly in Surrey, Canada, while speaking to the TNS here today.
Brar, who is touring the state and is trying to help the motherland with his experience and knowledge absorbed overseas, today said the state was witnessing demographic changes and this was the time for the people to rise above regionalism and accept whosoever migrated to this part.
Criticising the recent incidents of violence against migrants in Ludhiana, Brar said the people should always follow the principle of equality, justice and fairness.
"We were really ashamed when the news of violence reached us. Our brethren back home should think twice before resorting to such a practice. When we expect others to hold us in high esteem, why should not we do it when we are at the other end," he asked.
Brar said, "I have never felt like an outsider in Canada. Is it not an enough lesson for all of us," he asked.
The legislator, belonging to a village in Bathinda, is planning to meet the lawmakers back home during his trip and wants to share information on education reforms, infrastructure development, better healthcare facilities and utilisation of human resources.
"The NRIs want to pay back to motherland. But they are scared of returning to India due to delayed help in medical emergency and poor infrastructure. If all these requirements are met with, they would not think twice but rush back after superannuations," he added.
Jagroop brar is a sirgum and cannot be called a sikh how a sirgum is given a saroopa when no Ardass of sirgum canbe done . A person not loyal to sikhi cannot be loyal to anyone . Have sikhs ever indulged in large scale crimes arson etc in canada or britain? he should mind his bussiness and get out of here.
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Everywhere I see nowadays, as i read thread after thread whether its about anti dasam granth/noormelias/sarnas/sikh radio n tv channels or other current panthic issues is hatred,anger, each person/party involved believing they have the right answer whilst finger pointing at the others, and accusing the others as traitors and sell outs , and questioning their motives and real intentions. I have not seen in all my life so much disunity among sikhs as i see now. Everybody is upset with everybody else. As i go through topics and threads on this forum, I sense despair, tension, unease, discomfort, instability, and self righteousness. Everyone is blaming everyone else for every dispute, every quarrel, every problem, every incident. Everybody wishes the other was dead. Everyone stubbornly believes they are right. Everywhere I turn, I see and hear people proclaiming they are the right ones to lead be it a radio channel, a political party, a website, a thread on a website, a jethabandee. It doesnt stop! The factionalism just gets worse by the day. Leading sikh radio channels, jethabandhees, political parties, religous leaders are isolated and do not even talk to each other.
We have a weak , lame, mistrusted ,non independent, outdated, sold out, ili-informed, religous leadership good in giving orders BUT poor in listening, in brokering, in negotiating, in uniting everyone together. When it suits us, we embrace the nothing but charred remains of the institutions of the SGPC and Akal Takht, and when it doesnt we diss them.
This is becoming a doomsday scenario where we have our hands virtually on each others throoats, wish to kill and see each other dead, cannot stand the sight and presence of one another, and question each others loyalty to Sikhism, and accuse each other of betrayal .
This is what today's Sikhism has degenerated itself into. Very sad and sorry state of affairs indeed. Meanwhile the planet is dying from pain and hurt, from global warming, from religous and secterian violence, terrorism, political wars, and suffers from the ravages of nature and the plight of millions of poor,disempowered people living under the rule of cruel selfish dictators and tyranny. The world that needs us, finds us helplessly indulging in own daily internal battles and diminishing in our capability and capacity to be a beacon of hope by the day.
We have become an easily intimidated and scared community frightened and trying to ward off enemies, constantly fighting fires ,both within and without. We moan that our numbers are diminishing. We are becoming more inward and as we become more inward the pressure within the kettle is reaching boiling point.
When we talk of Sikhism, our eyes seem stubbornly stuck on the tiny state of Punjab and its going ons. We hold on to dear past and lament of leaders gone before, holding them sacred in our minds as if they were virtual latter day incarnations of Guru Gobind Singh. We forget Sikhism is a democracry among equals and venerate religious celebrities in our midst, thus forging the panth into an authoritarian heirarchy. Meantime, Tibetan buddhism has moved on from Tibet and become a successful western phenomena, Islam has its biggest following away from Saudi Arabia in Indonesia, and Christianity has moved to Africa, South America and Europe, leaving tiny Jerusalem as an optional historical place of visit which doesn’t make you any better a christian if you didn’t visit it. Right under our noses, new religions like Subud, Hare krishna and Bahaism, amongst countless others have emerged that organise themselves to be led by a united nations type council with leaders from different earth zones, all with equal voting rights, with millions more followers. Within christianity, a nigerian pastor has organised a church which is found within a 1 mile radius of every major city of the world. We do however cover our apathy, and failures in international parchar to all races by the lame excuse that Sikhism is a two edged sword meant just for a few chosen few, just the way the jews like to think of their 12 chosen tribes. The Gurus who proclaimed ''khendeo tikki valo nikki'' were also the same Gurus who worked tirelessly to preach Sikhi to people of all and any race, go to faraway places learning and speaking different languages and dialects, and start new towns and places of worships wherever they went, thank you very much! Compare that to todays supposed sikh saints and preachers who very much love to confine themselves to be master orators within the confines of the punjabee language and punjabee community as they fly from country to country with pre-bought ticket gifts of their supporters. Are we making our ten Masters our role models, or are we becoming blind followers of those who refuse to learn another language to preach in, and apart from Sikh issues seem very ill informed about how this world is being currently reorganised politically , economically and socially , as compared to the uptodate knowledge our Gurus had of current affairs , of science , of nature as is transparent in Guru Granth Sahib.
We have the shameful sight of 70 year old Sikh MALE priests running around to arrange colourful rose and carnation FLOWERS before Guru Granth Sahib in the Harmandir Sahib every morning because women are deemed ''impure''. We do not allow women to do an ardas, or keertan in the same place, we do not allow women to be one of the 5 piaras in most places, BUT we boast we are a religion that practises perfect eqality between the sexes. Yet we are modelled along a a male dominated patriarchial system of punjabee social organisation that is fast becoming outdated and irrelevant.
We seem to have lost the ability to continually rescue Sikhism from the enclaves and stranglehold of of the standards of morality,language rituals, psyche, mindset, perceived world view, social organisation, ideals, taboos, and values of any one culture and subgroup. We are very proud when some white person becomes a sikh but we immediately become defensive and withdrawn , when the same person tries to interpret and practise Sikhism within the context of their own culture and we dont call them 'sikh' , we call them gore sikh, as if our eyes cannot be lifted off even for a moment from the colour of their skin towards the light of Gurujee within. We are very prepared to preach within our 'own' punjabee community but our feet get cold wanting to learn other languages and preach to non punjabees . We are proud of what Yogijee did but we regard that as a one off and none of our business.
Even on websites like these, three quarters of the time we argue in the name of Sikhism, but what is spewing out of us is nothing but a punjabee not Sikh way to talking to each other, yet dare anyone say we aint sikhs. This hyprocrisy is like a subtle veil that separates us from that which we claim to possess but dont , claim to love but dont , claim to kiss but dont , claim to know but dont.
Brothers and sisters wake up! Rubbish me if u want , but think about what I am saying. You have a choice. Either keep indulging in your little wars you serve and seem to live for within the panth, or either become forces of unity within the panth. That’s your choice. We live by our choices, we die by our choices.. You have one chance –either use it to think you are damn right and try to kill everyone else or ….. try to calm down and get back to your senses and start talking the language of reconciliation , of tolerance , of love , of unity. Tell me im wrong , but Sikhism is not about hating no one, Sikhism is not about loathing no one, Sikhism is not about intolerance to different viewpoints and opinions, even if they are wrong and incompatible to ours. Sikhism recognises truth as a flower that well knows how to blossom and bring a shade to blind off untruth. The history of Sikhism we like to remember is one where we stood shoulder to shoulder no matter what our differences were, where we kissed each others feet in love, where our hearts erupted in joy meeting one another. That’s the Sikhism I fell in love with, the one where everyone was a carpon copy of Guru Gobind Singh, never looking back, always adapting to the present, always planning for the future, the Sikhism of radical overnight change when necessary from saintliness to sipahiness, the Sikhism that did not depend on places and people and personalities but on the power and presence of Gurujee in every inch of the soil of this planet!.
The purpose of baisakhi was not to create cylone type non thinking robots programmed to wake up, recite , think, speak, act, be opiniated in one exactly similar style. That was never meant to be the purpose and spirit of rehat. Rather, the glory of Baisakhi was to create a race of super intelligent, dynamic, self empowered, fearless yet humble warrior saints, like resurrected copies of Guru Gobind Singh, each with their own unique identity serving to guide humanity and the entire human race. The purpose of Baisakhi was not to marry and enslave a people to traditions of the pastor present but to transform weak sparrows and release them as powerful reborn hawks in the sky perfectly capable of finding their own destiny and guiding humanity towards its greater good. But today we are sparrows again squabbling amongst ourselves, fighting each other for a grain, living in fear, feeling intimidated, totally sensitive to any move of the other, frightened to bring about a single change in anything to do with Sikhism. We fight over our religious texts , our daily prayers, our dressing, our habits, our rituals and boy, don’t we fight like there’s no tomorrow. All you need to do is say one thing, think one thing, do one thing, that’s not religously correct to the other person and you are in deeep trouble with everyone. Yet we go about boasting of our martyrs, we parade Guru Granth Sahib in nagar kirtans , we celebrate gurpurabhs with great pomp to tell the world that we are a great people with a great religion.
We do not need a race of cylones to destroy us as in Battlestar Galactica . We seem to be perfectly capable of nuking ourselves as every new daily breaking news twist of khalsa panth seems to show.Think , think , and think again!
I do not want to end this on a cliff hanger of negativity . I have not been very well recently and this has been a time of prayer and deep reflection about khalsa panth and its survival and direction. As the latest X-FACTOR Joe Elderry's winning song The Climb says, there will be always be another mountain to climb , there will be failures along the way but we got to keep the faith and strive along. Somehow , something in me tells me, we can be what we were supposed to be, we can go where we were supposed to go. What we are today tells nothing of what we could be. But we will need to live and let die . Somethings gotta go, tough choices have to be made. We need to stop living in the past, we need to look to a future perhaps thats going to be quite remote from our past . Guru Hargobind made that choice and we survived . Guru Gobind Singh made that choice and we survived. Today we have to make the choice. Choices involving tearing yourself from your past are never easy , but the prize as a reward is too irrestible.
Glory to Khalsa Panth , this series shall continue ............
These issuses u raised r may be true but u have missed out most important points and shows outward concept of sikhi not the deep meaning of sikhi first u say in ur post every one should be carbon copy of GURU GOBIND SINGH JI which is impossible even Great singhs like Taru Singh, Mani Singh ji, mati dass ji regarded themselves as humble servants of guru how can u imagine every one to be carbon copy. It is true ego among socalled sikh scholars has led to controversies these r paid agents of anti sikh forces. Noormehalias r worst enemies of sikhi. U talk about the language Gurmukhi not the punjabi is language of GURUS UNIQUENESS OF GURBANI IS THAT IF A PERSONS WITHOUT THE KNOWLDGE OF GURMUKHI LISTENS TO GURU BANI WITH TRUE HEART HE CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND PUTS HIS SOUL ON TO IT.U CAN ASK SINGHS LIKE AMERICAN sikhs, DID THEY KNEW GURMUKHI answer is no they became singhs with just listening on many occasions the Guru shabad Guru NANAK used gurmukhi and people understood it . This is the mystery of Guru Shabad if u even listen it u can experience divine pleasure u talk about rituals there r no rituals but displine. Akal Takaht is no institution but the Supreme governing body of sikhs
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Shiv sena has called for Punjab bandh on 14th dec and threaten to remove the pictures of sant ji and singhs have resolved to counter it by distributing free posters on that day this is ploy to get hindu support for a Pig who is full of dirt noormehlia (bound for hell).
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Tat Khalsa, Ek Noor Khalsa Fauj amongst others were at THE FOREFRONT in this agitation. Their roles are BEING SIDELINED! Why? Because they are anti-Dasam Granth... Where is the unity now?
We are a Panth, regardless of Rehit Maryada and views. We need to stick togheter and not see wheter one believes in kes or keski, Raagmala or not, Dasam Granth or not, meat or not ! This is a threat to the "greater" Sikh nation, we should unite and FIGHT BACK. After we can solve our own issues by Sarbat Khalsa's or anything that is Parmaan to the Panth.
(I am not supporting Anti-Dasam Granth people, but just saying that Anti-Dasam Granth people where there aswell, wheter a Singh from them was martyred or NOT ! )
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
In My Opinion,
Those that are Against Dasam Patshah Bani Should NOT be included in ANYTHING! This is not a 'territory' Thing! This is about DHARAM! Those Anti-Dharam; Anti-Dasam Patshah Bani People Will Try to get Influence of masses, then Attack Dasam Patshah Bani!! They will try to get into organizations and also Try for Votes into SGPC Etc. to attack Dasam Patshah Bani!! Don't Provide them ANY "STEPPING STONES!"
THEY HAVE LONG TERM PLANS TO ATTACK KHALSA DHARAM FROM WITHIN!!! THINK LONG TERM!! DO NOT INCLUDE THE ANTI-DASAM PATSHAH BANI HERETICS IN ANYTHING!!!! BOYCOTT THEM!!!!! EXCOMMUNICATE THEM!! THEY ARE ATTACKING KHALSA DHARAM!!! WHAT YOU NEED FROM THEM?!?!? THEY ARE THE ENEMIES FROM WITHIN AS WELL!!!!!
TRUE KHALSA DO NOT NEED THEM!!!!!
Just because people have a common enemy, does not make them Friends! How can those who ATTACK Dasam Patshah Bani and Those That Love Dasam Patshah Bani be Friends?!?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! Those that Attack Dasam Patshah Bani will Use Their Opportunities in the Future to ATTACK from Within!!!! THINK LONG TERM!!!!!
(I also hope this post brings out the Anti-Dasam Patshah Bani Heretics if they are on this site; so they can be exposed here as well.)
BLOOM IS RIGHT. Doesn't matter if its Tat Khalsa or Ek Noor Khalsa Fauj, end of the day they are nindaks of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and of those like Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale, therefore there is no need for them to take part in the panths affairs. Dasam granth bani is one of the foundations of sikhi. no wonder a few of them turned up and started shouting slogans against sant samaj, it wasnt because of sant samaj, it was because they oppose the views of most of the sant samaj like the views on dasam granth.
These nindaks of Guru Gobind singh ji can shout what they want, it doesnt matter, they cant do nothing themself, except about 15-20 of them turned up MAX according to everyone to shout a few jakaare then all of them ran off doing their nindya of dasam granth and decided to turn up at the funeral again to make some noise when the family of the shaheed were trying to carry out the funeral. what a disgrace. both of these missionary organisations should be excommunicated and their 15-20 or so members should never have been allowed anywhere near the funeral or in any panthic march for that matter. SikhSangat does not support nindaks of 10th guru ji's bani, we do not want their anti-dasam granth propaganda here. the panth has awoken to give these nindaks a fitting reply. das nimana, please delete all reference to these guru nindaks, thanks!
First this is the topic against noormehalias most dangerous antisikh cult although not biggger than sirsa dera or nirankaris but very oganized ,withe backing of all poltical groups of the Punjab like badals, BJP,Leftists and congress see today the statement of bhatal saying all persons have freedom to practice their religion.Secondly most of the injured belongs to Tat Khalsa jathebandi .Is it right time to demean other sikh groups this infighting led to defeat of sikhs in sirsa dera case except for brave sikhs of Mubai and Maharastra who got arrested accused persons arrested less than a week because deccan sikhs r united thwy love shasters and kakars .See all fingers r not equal there may be differences between ideas which can be sorted out by sitting togeather on specific agenda, but unfortunately due to self seekers leaders of panth one and another disputes r created in panth.NOW WE need pratical approach see how the most of the hindus stood with sikhs we must admit itexcept for some industrists , and bjp common hindu did not support noormehalias now to get hindu support SHIV SENA HAS GIVEN CALL FOR PUNJAB BANDH TO PROTEST THE PICTURE OF SANT SIPAHI JARNAIL SINGH BHINDRAWALE ON 14TH DECEMBER.
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There r reports of large scale arrests of singhs in Punjab ahead of Punjab Bandh from ludhana ,Patiala, Samrala illegaly without presenting them in courts.
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I was first to begin writng againist the before the samagam there r rumours that even local mla fired at singhs and caualties r much more now punjab bandh call has been given for monday.
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I have just reccived a call from ludhiana some young singhs have attacked and injured by noormehlias one of injured is in hospital.I can't believe that so many leaders and police officials are so gullible as to fall for this charlatan. If they don't feel like following Sikhi, well, whatever. But why fall at the feet of a witchdoctor from Bihar?
I have just reccived a call from ludhiana some young singhs have attacked and injured by noormehlias one of injured is in hospital.I can't believe that so many leaders and police officials are so gullible as to fall for this charlatan. If they don't feel like following Sikhi, well, whatever. But why fall at the feet of a witchdoctor from Bihar?
singh has been badly injured by noormehlias
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I have aleready written a post in this regard main organiser is Harish bedi BJP MLA of ludhana apart from hindu surakha samiti shivsena , etc harish bedi son last year had removed the dastar of a gursikh shpkeeper on issuse of parking and threatened him with revolver using disgraceful comments about the sikhs. Harish bedi is getting call from the hell from his friend Shambu Prashad a BJP leader of Patiala who had done beadbi of SRI GURU GRANTH SHAIB and burnt the gurdwara in 1982 and sent to hell by singhs in 1987. Now it seems harish is getting urgent call to come and stay with Shambu Prasad as he needs company.Protests and meetings were held here today ahead of the three-day visit of Ashutosh on December 5. His followers and members of other religious organisations opposing him came out on the roads and gave a tough time to the police.
The protesters took out a peaceful march and urged the authorities to cancel his visit. Some protesters went on the rampage and tore his posters.
On the other hand, his supporters convened a meeting and welcomed the visit. A spokesman for the supporting group said: “How can we stop someone from entering the city. It is his democratic right and he can to go anywhere in the country. It is the responsibility of the police to make proper security arrangements.”
The police made elaborate arrangements in the wake of brewing tension between the two groups. About 1,300 cops were pressed into service for the visit.
Police checkposts have been installed at key locations and vehicles entering the city are being checked.
Concerns are being raised over the issue of procession, which would be conducted in various parts of the city before the arrival of Ashutosh. Some Sikh organisations have objected to the procession.
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sorry for spellings erors due to net problem. correct is large no of deras and making sikh girls as prostitues on 2 th december sikhs r planning big march from gurdwara shadeean in ludhiana.
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hawk13, thanks for highlighting this samagam. To date, I had only heard that the Nurmehalis were operating in Nurmehal.
Although the Nurmehalis might have rifles or other weapons, I don't see how this would be a threat to Sikhs. After all, the Ashutoshis aren't going to random Sikh houses in Ludhiana and kill people, are they?
According to Gurbani, the key to opening the Dasam Duar was granted by God to Satguru.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਥਿ ਕੁੰਜੀ ਹੋਰਤੁ ਦਰੁ ਖੁਲੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰੈ ਭਾਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੭॥
The key is in the hands of the True Guru; no one else can open this door. By perfect destiny, He is met. ||7|| p124
Neither Ashutosh nor anybody else has this key, regardless of their ridiculous claims of "Brahm Gian".
We haven't been successful at getting this message to people, and it takes a while to explain it calmly to someone. Most Sikhs don't even know that there's such a thing as Dasam Duar! So it seems doubtful we could convey that message by shouting at them as they walk from their cars to the samagam entrance.
There are Radha Swami and other deras all over Punjab and the world, including Ludhiana. (I'll refrain from linking to those websites, though.) So, I hope we don't go crazy over a couple more niguras plying their wares in Ludhiana.
no bro noormehalias r operating from Amritsar, malout, batala, Morinda,Mukatsar, Nawansher,Banga,Tarntaran, Moga in punjab and in haryana kALKA, Karnal, pinjore and have hugh dsras in noormehal ,Malout, Batala and has got land in setting up deras in tarantaran ,mohali and in haryana they have a big dera in kalka and in shimla although they have thin following in shimla. As far their intent is concerned they have openly declared they will wipe out sikhi from this eath with the firing of guns in batala 3 years back near the damdami taksal headquaters in chowk mehta. It is only dera after the 1975 of nirankaris to declare it making them most dangerous than sirsa dera unlike sirsa dera where large no of followers r out of ignorance noormehilas have highly orgainised set of armed gangs weapons were supplied by badal and co. Prominent followers r Kewal Singh badal vice president of SGPCand his sister, Surinder badal,S.S VIRK, DALIP SINGH RANA WWE WRETLER KNOWN AS GREAT KHALI, Akali MLA of noormehal and nakodar, BJP MLA OF LUDHANA. THEY MISGUIDE INNOCENT GIRLS OF SIKH FAMILIES BY HYPTNOSING THEM and selling them as protitutes in darbhanga in bihar . These r the black deeds od noormehelias
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Pig authosh is holding a big samagam with the permission of badal and co in ludhiana and hindu suraha samiti is giving sikhs threats of severe losses while makkar or makkara is quite doing nothing as the samagam is being held in ludhiana . Will the sikhs wake when sikhs will be shot down or hurt like in sirsa dera case as noormehilas r having selfloading rifles , AK-47, besides shotguns and other modern weapons . I personaly believe although no sikh likes to take away innocent lives but in case of selfdefensre one have to take preventive steps, The noormehilas will get proper messages if they gets killed. Why nihangs use guns to kill each other or sikhs fighting on minor issuses when a big python is encirling sikhs the anti sikh samagam is on 5th and sixth december.
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U r speaking like congress members who want to skip the issue tell me how can we stop this happening only 2 ways r for it punishing the culprit through law or killing by themselves and for avoiding this is one way that is arming each gursikh which would u like , It was a brutality which can never be forgotten ask the victims to forget it they may give u better answer.Amitabh and his family how ashwarya humilated the sikh sangat in britain is welknown during the shooting about 2 years back.In my view, lets not keep on bringing the 1984 episode everytime....I agree that it was one of the crueliest thing against sikhs, but then lets move on now. Lets just learn from this and be careful and more stronger in future. Please lets not keep on bringing this or having special programes to mark the day. Lets just join together and do something for the sikhs rather than just bringing up this everytime.
I am sure people are going to pounce me on this, but sincerely if we dont forget the past, we will never move on. We should forgive the sinners. This is humanity.
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U r right in Swwwayias both 33 and Tav Prasad hindu god shiva has been rejected in the stanza in Tav Prasad Kahu Re Ling gare latkayo kahu re pahan pooj dhariyo thereby rejecting all imaginary gods further the hindu gods who r full of lust can never be compared with sikh gurus or gursikhs who r swaroop of akal purukh himself.shiv - power - akaal - in bani not hindu god
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Time has come for sikhs to take proactive steps to highlight 1984 genocide. One step should be to boycott amitabh his son, aishwarya movies and shows for his role in inciting murderers during 1984 genocide. Sikhs in Punjab should not allow his or his families movies in cinema halls it will be first step to take action and sikhs living outside india should not interact with him. Akal Takht should pass hukumnama to sikhs not have any inks with persons accused of killing sikhs like jagdish tytler, sajjan kumar, arun nehru, bhajan lal kps gill, sumadh saini , k.s brar , g k gaur , kamal nath these r modern day abdalis
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Actualy H.S KOHLI main complainant againist Sajjan kumar was humilated by badal himself he went to residence of prakash chand badal along with Atinder pal Singh and his party delegates badal could had ignored atinder pal singh if he had any political rivalry but treatment given to Mr Kohli is unforgivable.So time has come to teach badal same lesson as deccan sikhs taught them last year at HUZOOR SHAIAB.Badals Can Go To Hell.
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Many self styled historians and people confuse themselves with jats of haryana, UP and Rajastan with jats of punjab who became sikhs later on . While jats of hindi belt were by caste jats but the jats of punjab means farmer further jats of punjab were most opressed before the birth of sikhism. During medival period hindi belt jats consisdered jats of punjab as outcastes and were sworn enemies of khalsa althogh few of them became sikhs.^^^ no i dont mean like that, i mean people from jatt backgrounds, arent they mostly sikhs?
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Sorry for long absence these shiv sainiks or sanghis should know anyone tring to damage the banners is like prey going to get himself hunted or putting hand inside the mouth of lion ,they should know Sant ji is national hero who has the status much higher than Bhagat singh, Udham singh and can be compared with BANDA SINGH BAHADUR .BABA DEEP SINGH JI. They should know after operation bluestar it was the saffron dastars now it is santji poster showing Sant ji lives in the spirit of sikhs even in patit sikhs this is the sign of big volcano blasting while it was storm inside sikh mentality in after operation bluestar now it is like dorment volcano so pro hinduwadi forces must control themselves in their own interest.
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U neo singh seems to be supporter of a person who is cease to be sikh by removing the seal of guru THAT is KESH Ujal dosangh is not sikh so why give him undue importance he is like dirt few years back when he came to ludhiana he supported biharis which led to protests from local sikhs. so why we give importance to a dirty article like ujal who is dumped in dustbin. As far as discussing with him is concerned let he invite anyone and I will hold open debate at any place.