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Even virk30 has sent me Pm asking same questions of which I have replied it is open disscussion and he is at liberty to discuss . See virk30 we r not fascists who will hate u or curse u we appreciate ur point of view as all fingers r not equal still exists togeather. So do post here fearlessly bro it is sangat site and admin and mods r doing just seva for us. Mehtab Singh is the one most humble person here in this forum and I see true form of sikhi in him much better human being than me who never get personal

and this little conspiracy of indian govt getting youth hooked on drugs made me laugh, especially considering the biggest drug dealers in india are from pakistan and most the heroin comes from pakistan into india, another thing some of the biggest drug addicts in india have relatives living in the west sending money back home to build huge homes buy fancy cars and spoil the boys with new cars and bikes and alot of those boys are some of the biggest drug addicts, i know many family's here who have sent money back home and now have the young once in their family hooked on drugs and dropping out of school

and its happening more and more in the west and if you live in canada or england you'll see more sikh youth getting hooked on alchole and drugs, now you gonna tell me the indian govt is getting kids hooked on drugs and achole in the west to, heck come visit vancouver and see how many canadian born punjabi youth are hooked on drugs while dropping out of school while their parants buy them $60 000 dollar sports cars at age of 17, i don't know if anyonce seen the documantry warriors religion or warrior boys on the sikh gang war in vancouver but funny how these kids get cars more expensive then what their teachers drive yet they ain't passing any classes and dropping out of school in vancouver, now are you blaming india's govt for this problem to, and while at the same time rather then addressing the real problems in the sikh community in vancouver the khalistanis in vancouver continue to scream khalistan yet won't fight for it or die for it and waste all this money on stupid politics rather then addressing community problems, and one problem thats getting out of control is amount of sikh girls lured into prostitution by sikh boys in vancouver

My dear friend I just recieved messenger from u just want to present my views in front of sangat bro u have raised some issuses if we can adopt marxism thinking western democratic thinking what is harm in adopting khalsai thinking? Khalsai thinking cannot be harmful to anyone we do not talk of wiping out hindus or india that is reason indian supreme court in balwant singh case ruled that demanding or slogans in favour of seperate sikh state is not unlawful unless it is used to harm someone even appex court of india realised that sikhism based upon sarbat da bhalla can never harm another faith . U have misconception about sikh thought due to misuse of word khalistan by certain political leaders for selfish purposes,never misunderstand my posts these r histroric facts, Those forcing prositution on sikh girls can never be sikhs as by their actions these papis cease to be sikhs. We never had harmed anyone even in medival times. It is the game of antisikh forces to compare sikhs with islamist fundamentlists. Only with sikh thinking based upon sikh rule can solve all c\social problems u should remeber in sikh rule both under misals and ranjit singh CAPITAL PUNISHMENT WAS ABOLISHED writing in caps just for understanding .Perhaps my posts have deep effects on u that is why u sendt ne messenger thanks for it never think u r on wrong forum and do post ur opinions I will like it.

Well done to Sarna of Dehli Gurdwara Committee !!For too long the Singhs have rotted in Jail without anyone supporting them, shame on the Badal government for spending so much money on the dead Ravidass sant who clearly had no regard for Guru Granth Sahib Ji .

So another excuse for the Ravidass community to burn effigies etc in india, bunch of misguided idiots should realise that the Brahmins hate them more than anybody in the whole universe and they should remain close to the Khalsa.

Singhs rot in jails for their own sick (Sikh) actions. Kiiling of Sant of Dera Ballan is last nail in the coffin of sikhsim as it is practised today. The "Pap Ka Gharra" of sikh fundamentalists is full now. It is time for payback.

Keep on celebrating atrocities committed on you in every age. It is not someone else's doing. it is your own doing. Vipran Ke reet has started showing its colors.

The killing of your Ramanand is the 1st nail in the coffin of your cult along with all others Radhaswami,Lucha Sauda,Namdhari,Noormehli and so on, as the poster said above Bamans hate you lot more than anything but you fools get on your high horse and disrespect Sikhi and Sikhs,on one hand you say you people are being 'pushed' away on the other you lot say oh we hae our own 'religion' so called Ravidassia Ad Dharmi.If you lot continue on your downward spriral of disrespecting the Khalsa Panth you lot will be finished - eliminated ,your Sant openly did beadbi of SGGS Ji Maharaj - an unacceptable act no matter who you are what cult you belong to how so called ''down trodden'' you may be no one gets away with beadbi ,go and fight the Brahmins your real oppressors if your so big and tough instead of starting on Sikhs

Well done to Sarna of Dehli Gurdwara Committee !!For too long the Singhs have rotted in Jail without anyone supporting them, shame on the Badal government for spending so much money on the dead Ravidass sant who clearly had no regard for Guru Granth Sahib Ji .

So another excuse for the Ravidass community to burn effigies etc in india, bunch of misguided idiots should realise that the Brahmins hate them more than anybody in the whole universe and they should remain close to the Khalsa.

Singhs rot in jails for their own sick (Sikh) actions. Kiiling of Sant of Dera Ballan is last nail in the coffin of sikhsim as it is practised today. The "Pap Ka Gharra" of sikh fundamentalists is full now. It is time for payback.

Keep on celebrating atrocities committed on you in every age. It is not someone else's doing. it is your own doing. Vipran Ke reet has started showing its colors.

Its Bipran Kee Reet ,you lot should know about it you carry it out Idol Worship ,Threads and so on in you 'Ad Dharm Panth'

Hoshiarpuria Ji:

Please be happy with your status quo. You people get on a bandwagon and start blaming Sants for everything even though you didn't meet or know them personally. What they did or they didn't preach...you would never know? Your statements are uneducated and self serving only.

It doesn't hurt us Ravidassis that you start blaming Sants of Ballan, Radhasoamis or any other reloigious group. I don't know of any religious group in Punjab which you don't have problems with in Punjab except Christians and Muslims. With Christians, you don't have a choice because your brethren have to live in Western christian countries after committing crimes in India and seek asylim. You try to be in their good books. With muslims, you know they will teach you guys a lesson if you trouble them. Ravidassias, you have messed with, I hope you guys have seen the trailer. If you don't learn, Ravidassias and dalits are all over India while you are not. Your antics put the lives of millions of peaceloving sikhs in danger. You feed into cycle of terrorism, then suffer, cry but never learn. This is hallmark of arrogance and this is what makes religion perish. Hundreds of such religions have perished over millenium and nobody would know about you guys 100 years from now. You will be seen as a blimp on the screen of time where only things that would be remebered are that Nanak had started a doctrine based on peace and equality after learning from Bhagats, Gobind Singh created a militant group for the protection of weak which lateron turned upon itself and was reduced to groups involved in gross criminal activities and was wiped out in time.

Moderator seems to give warnings on anything I write now. Why is it so? Why can't point s be argues? I am not disrespecting GGS or Gurus? If I do that then he has a point but it seems that their digestions is very weak.

The sikhs are already being now kicked out of Austria. All the illegals that had run from India after terrorist crackdown are made to go back. Unfortunately, it hurts innocents also. Ravidassia or addharmis or radhsoamis or any other groups isn't going to disappear but you guys will. They are growing like anything because they are peace loving and peace attracts people. It is your own actions that you suffer gallughara almost every 20-30 years. Why other religious groups don't go through same cycle? Nanak was a pacifist and your 10th guru raised voice against tyranny but he never claimed to be the type of sikh that you are today. He never rejoiced the killings.

For your thick brains, you may want to know that in the 1881 census in India almost 15% of Hindus had registered their religion as khalsa (from delhi alone and they didn't had 5Ks. The rigidity has creeped up later thanks to your religious leader Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwale and your Mr. Tara Singh who had triggerred partition violence during 1947 by tearing up pakistan's flag.

So in nutshell, please be happy with your status quo and let your mindset be guided by your muscle flexing on computer by accusing Saints, killing innocents. Results are already coming through on the killing of innocent saint. Blood of a innocent spilled always creates affect. You are one of the most despised community in Canada and austria has started kicking you out. In India, Guru Granth Sahib has already been taken out. People have stopped buying Guru Granth Sahib. How can your baba be bought for 1100 rupees? In USA, you can buy GGS for $200 dollars. You consider book a living, what if some of your wicked terrorists shoot your baba? But it won't matter because your bab grows old almost every other day, you burn it and a new one is born in a factory somewhere. The point is not to insult you. You have become of laughingstock when you forget that it is bani which is guru not a book. Bani written in Guru Granth Sahib or written on a scrap of peper carries same respect and saints and innocents don't deserve to be killed for bani. Bani doesn't say that.

But you guys all know that. This is what keeps us Ravidassias happy now. We see your tamasha when you people behave like monkeys putting a fire to your own tail and then run amok burning everything else. Please keep it up.

U r monkeys not us u r getting kicked in ur backs by high castes go and see how r u being treated in UP where BSP is in power thakurs exploit lowcaste women we have ghalughras on every 20 to 30 years u r killed every seconds. In bihar even police department there is seprate mess for meals for low caste personnel. We r not scared of ur numbers IAM PROUD TO ANNOUNCE AS A TEENAGER I REPULSED RIOTERS IN 1984. AND WHEN U BALLAN SUPPORTERS WERE RIOTING SINGHS IN OUR AREA WERE READY TO HIT BACK WITH LOADED GUNS AND KIRPANS NOONE TURNED UP FOR RIOTING IN OUR AREA.U consisder GRANTH SHAIAB AS BOOK it is ur thinking but never forget GURU PANTH who will punshish wronng doers. Ur fake sants r not equal to even gursikhs like taru singh ji ,Banda Singh bahadurs or singhnis who got their young one cutt into pieces before their eyes, Go and ask ur fake sants to get his skuul seprated he will die of heart failure. Learn leson from JHAJAR in haryana where u killed a jat and jats showed u ur place. Many thakurs in hindi belt r turning to sikhism create trouble there and see the reaction if sher singh rana can kill phoolan devi after 21 years remeember the singhs who never forgives the panth dokhis , Ghalughars r powerhouse of we singhs and gives us power when 1761-62 80* of sikhs pershised in big genocide KHALSA RAJ WAS ESTABISHED, U have accepted slavery not us

1. Where all the Gurus hindu or not/

2. Isn't Sikhism just another form of Hinduism, based on hinduism princples? I have been reading a thread on another board and there are several HP who proclaims that the Gurus were infact Hindus and that sikhism if not a branch of a hinduism is a tree born out of the seed of hinduism i.e its a form of evolved hindiusm.

Those who proclaim these rubbish should find out word Hindu from old texts this word was the disgraceful to idol worshippers of india which means KAMEENA or hin means lowest person or slave , Secondly if someone believes in this rubbish is the biggest fool Guru Nanak dev ji contradicted hindu gods in conversation with sadhus in shiv mandirs in batala and said NOR IAM HINDU OR MUSLIM. AND ASKED NOT TO WORSHIP HINDU GODS OR GODDESSES AND PROBHITS SIKHS NEVER TO VISIT HINDU PILGRIMAGE LIKE amarnath , Hindu worships sex in form of shivling how can tghese slaves make false claims? sikh is succssor to almighty not a branch of any religion . Guru can never be slaves they rejected hindus outrightly does not these people know DEVI WAS CLEANING THE FLOOR OF GURU JI WITH BROOM.OR does not know how a sikh cuttoff the nose of naina devi during the time of sixth guru.These r the few examples

regarding khalistan my questions are this

everyone i know who wants khalistan doesn't want to go fight for khalistan, so why preach it

with all the problems with our community why are we wasting energy chanting khalistan

why waste money and energy on khalistan when we don't need a country, instead we should focus that energy on getting justice for the 84 victims, and getting justice for all the victims of the punjab police and indian army

most khalistanis want to be friends with pakistanis which i don't support cause what they did to us in 47, and what pakistanis continue to do in places like uk, you have things like sikh muslim foundation which is a slap in our faces, the website panthicweekly sure loves kissing pakistan <banned word filter activated> and this makes me turn on khalistan even harder

we have serious problems in our community like guys getting hooked on drugs and girls running off with muslims, lets focus on fixing those problems and getting justice for the victims in india

plus how would khalistan survive economically with so much corruption in punjab, and with almost half the youth hooked on drugs

how would we survive as a military when pakistan will come in to kick our butt

who will live their when everyone wants to move to canada uk america

farming is all we have in punjab and its not good enough anymore

the youth arn't getting educated their dropping out of schools

their's so many problems their is no way of having khalistan but we can sure fix the problems like drug abuse

but for everyone who still wants khalistan tell me how will you get khalistan with all these problems, and why no one is willing to fight for it

First I want to correct u noone is permanent foes or allies in politics and international relations u r under wrorng impression that khalistanis r friends of pakis .Secondly go and see how punjab colleges and universities r being colonised by students from outside and anti sikh groups in punjab university bloody himachalis and haryanvis have become kingmakers in student elec. Drug addiction is everywhere sikh yoths r pushed towards drugs like chinese were pushed towards opium during 18th and 19th century.U should read the verses in holy granth shaiab about BEGUMPURA, HALIMI RAJ IN ARDASS PART OF REHAT u can end ur misgivings go through track record of sikh rule which was even better than the modern states. If india cannot stand in srilanka and finding it hard to keep kashmir and pak is finding hard to maintain contrl over baluthistan how can one think on invading other nation. Smaller ststes r more progressive than biggerones.

See brothers the track record of sikh rule even in medival time is best even as compared to other forms of goverence in modern times equal status was given to all even to enemies unlike even inleftist rules how people r suppressed is before the world. Khalsa is defined as Akal purakh ki fauj so meaning of khalsa is much higher than mere pure . I put my questions to anti panthic or socalled liberal fake sikhs how can akal purukh ki fauj be opperssive in modern time when it was so kind even to its own enemies?

Is anyone aware of this monkey Monmohan singh khalsa

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-11-2002_pg7_11

There is never going to be a khalistan so either we fight for making a better world as we are or we throw punjab back into troubled times. you are severley deluded. stop listening to pakistani muslims who are pumping the situation

Also when i said respect before 1984 i meant the common man had respect for anyone in a turban but after it all changed they were seen as terrorists and evil doers and guess whos fault 1984 was. I know indian government etc.

Anyway if you want to fight for khalistan i suggest you go there and make it a reality, you are not doing anything sitting behind your computer you keyboard warriors.

or you could declare southall khalistan or malton in toronto as that would be more likely and you live here. i would say to you midn your own bubiness.

Go and visit interior of punjab u can see majourity of vehicles with sant ji picture and now singhs openly hold khalstan conferences , and openly raise slogans.

I am one of them people who visits india every year i spend a hell of a lot of time there and i have not seen any of this, dont believe it, its nonsense. Most of the people i have spoken too and i make a poiunt of speaking to [people about this issue say the same thing bhindranwale was bad and not good.

I live in punjab in sultanpur lodhi to tarntarn belt 80% of vehicles have sant ji pictures visit shops and go to jor melas, hola mohalas it is sant ji pictures , Bhindrawale was bad as he sent 5000 invading soldiers to hell never allow even a inch to invaders those critics of sant ji SHOULD FACE TANKS HEAVY GUNS FOR 5 MINTUES WITH .303 RIFLES THEN THEY HAVE MORAL RIGHT TO CRITICISE SANT JI . Those criticising should read the article of GEN S.k sinha who wrote that when he was the chief of western command in 1981 he was ordered to invade damdami taksal gurdwara along with durbar shaiab with heavy armour and he refused he justified the bhindrawale resisting the invaders. In 1955,1959 police did open fire in durbar shab was there bhindrawale at that time? or in 1963 when hand wrtten GRANTH SHAIAB DURING THE TIMES OF DASMESH JI WERE BURNED IN PAONTA SHAIB , this shows the intent of fascist rulers in paonta shaiab 13 nihangs were killed nihal singh harianbelawale survived with serious injuries. See the intent of govermrnt to use sikhs as fodder when some nation invades so sikh state will be reality soon u will be proved wrong.

Is anyone aware of this monkey Monmohan singh khalsa

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-11-2002_pg7_11

There is never going to be a khalistan so either we fight for making a better world as we are or we throw punjab back into troubled times. you are severley deluded. stop listening to pakistani muslims who are pumping the situation

Also when i said respect before 1984 i meant the common man had respect for anyone in a turban but after it all changed they were seen as terrorists and evil doers and guess whos fault 1984 was. I know indian government etc.

Anyway if you want to fight for khalistan i suggest you go there and make it a reality, you are not doing anything sitting behind your computer you keyboard warriors.

or you could declare southall khalistan or malton in toronto as that would be more likely and you live here. i would say to you midn your own bubiness.

Go and visit interior of punjab u can see majourity of vehicles with sant ji picture and now singhs openly hold khalstan conferences , and openly raise slogans.

In a way you are right based on these maps, but the question about Khalistan is not about who ruled how much land for how long, but about who could/can rule justly. We have seen Islamic and Hindu regimes already, and there are enough who will support both of them. That doesn't change the fact about what they did or are doing to those who don't subscribe to their ideology. These kingdoms were purely political in nature and were inflated because of the kings' greed for more land. Khalsa believes in miri and piri, therefore Khalistan would not be a purely political entity but a religious one as well. It will not be attained because of one man's greed for power and will not subjugate a differing opinion or way of life.

Thank you for proving my point…..do the math! Don’t just look at the pretty pictures! LoL! If you could put up the Ashoka one that will be also very helpful!

"These kingdoms were purely political in nature and were inflated because of the kings' greed for more land!"

i dont think so!

Khalsa Raj is not Khalistan!! stop the brainwashing!

Dear bro nice to see u again although we r always rivals yet u have dignity and brains . U r wrong on one account that is largest empire were ruled by AURANJEB much larger than british empire and consists of kabul ,ghazni, nearly 70% of present aghanistan along with nearly whole of south india , bangladesh,pak. Even shivaji wanted accept his overlordship on certain conditions and his succcessors did accept it for the knowldge sake Iamm telling a most ignored fact of history that is BATTLE OF CHITTAGONG between royal british navy and powerful mughal forces led by uncle of emperor Aurengjeb Shasita khan in which socalled strong forces of eroupe got most severe defeat from powerful artlery of mughals and got one of the best fleet destroyed later they were pardoned by mughals as Auranjeb wanted to create the navy. Who were rulers of big indian kingdoms expect for chander gupt vikaramditya all were anti vedic as I will NOT USE hindu word. ASOKA WAS A buddist, chandergupt maurya was a jain . the sons and grandsons of vikarma ditya converted to buddhism. Another big name is Kaniska who even ruled over 3 states of china apart from the most of india. two great local emprial kings were RAJA RAJA CHOLA WHO WAS ONLY NATIVE KING TO HAVE A NAVY WON MANY PARTS OF SOUTH EAST ASIA APART FROM LANKA. lalita ditya buddhist king of kashmir had large parts of india apart FROM NEPAL only power to sujacate nepal. Now I come to khalistan or khalstan or sikh state issue it is birthright of sikhs to have it this fact is reconised by even fanatic hindus in their hearts of hearts. As punjab was never part of india upto 1849A.d, and sikhs were independant rulers. British rulers categorised three types of people one muslims, second sikhs and thrid general people gave them freedom to have their own homelands. But sikh leader baldev singh stabbed sikhs in back and made akalis surrender their rights to arya samaji congress which made nehru desendant of GANGU BRAHMIN AS PRIME MINISTER. Iam not attaching emotional issue but fact is that status of sikhs is slaves whereever they live be it cultral or political one take recent example OF KARGIL WAR WHERE SOCALLED BRAVE SOLDIIERS OF INDIAN ARMY WERE HUMBLED BY PARA MILATARY FORCES OF PAKISTAN AND 8TH SIKH REGIMENT FREED TIGER HILLS NOW THERE IS no mention of sikhs in the anniversary of kargil.Sikhs deserved sikh stste whether by democratic means . Go see in punjab how even small dera r threatening to wipe out sikhi.

just few months ago Jalandhar police first registered a case againist the Gagandeep Singh a local leader of akali dal international for writing khalstan on windscreen of his vehicle then case was withdrawn when singhs held hugh protest and ssp jalandhar in a case filed under right to information act by atinderpal singh khalstani replied it is not illegal to do such things unless it is done for threatening or for rioting apart from it during my visit to interior punjab I come accoress more posters of sant ji then bhagat singh on the windsceen of vehicles and slogans in favour of azadi .Further more during the hearing in definition of sikh case before full bench atinder pal singh openly used surname khalstani and asked the judges to mark his attendence as such . I was present in court along with other singhs.So those who say khalstani movement is dead r living in fool's paradise. why d fears about khalstan when sikhism is based upon the principle of sarbat da bhalla.

Manni,

Majority of Sikh believers are non Keshdhari, so your first point is irrelevant!!

I agree with your other points.

The issue us one of education by parents, the lack of and influence of gurdwaray being central focus of the Sikh community, and the disintegration of the Sikh community. Gurdwaray these days focus on the wrong things and have become commitee focused, focused on power and greed, there are very few facilities for youths and the atmosphere in many gurdwaray make it very unapealling for youth!

Also we can also take into account the general 'westernization' of Sikhs, which has lead to a larger influx of white and Sikh marriages!!

Instead of attacking and blaming Muslims, Hindus or whites, we must first look out our own community, our own people!! Also, this isn't a new phemomenom, this has been going on for years, and there's no need to panic, it's still a small percentage but we still must be aware and tackle the issue!!

There is difference between the believers and sikhs non keshadhari cease to be sikhs as per rehat maryada and as per the hukums of GURU JI .THESE PEOPLE R CALLED SIRGUMS KESH OR UNSHORN HAIR IS FIRST CONDITION OF SIKHI.Noone has any authority to change the definition of sikh even punjab and haryana high court has held unshorn hair is essential part of sikhi in 30 may 2009 in gurleen kaur vs punjab state after submissions by atinderpal singh khalstani on 23 march .u can go through in another thread in my posts.

Guru Ji would not bless any Sikh marriage if both bride and groom had not pledged their spiritual alligence to him, it is pointless for a non-sikh to marry a Sikh in a gurdwara because they are not following the same faith. Whole idea of marrying someone in a Gurdwara in the presence of Guru ji is because both follow the same spiritual path. So it is mandatory that the non-Sikh converts to Sikhism or the couple forget about Sikhism and marry anywhere they like apart from Gurdwara in a Sikh marriage ceremony.

It makes me laugh, when I read posts like this. One question, do you know what Guru ji is feeling? Are you in oneness with mighty Akaal? If you have answered "no" to any one of these questions, then how can you write a post like this? Your post portrays an image of Guru ji being contradictive.

If the entire Guru's have not discriminated in any way, who gives us the right to say what Guru ji wants, unless you have reached the same level on your spiritual journey and fully understand the want they wanted.

If you give a diamond to an ordinary person and asked him or her to value it, they will not be able to value the diamond unless they had the knowledge to recognise its quality. Same with understanding of Guru ji, you require the spiritual knowledge and uplift to release what Guru ji's really wants.

It is the personal choice if someone marries otherperson but when rehat is concerned then it becomes panthic issuse u can get married in court in case of intercommunity marriages but in case some one insists on ANAND KARAJ then it is firm no ,such marriage in gurdwara is sacrilege. Take example of nagpur where local sikh sangat stopped such marriage and banned such marriages in gurdwara in future.In Jamsheshpur in Madya Pradesh sikh sangat has banned such maariages and mariages of shorn hair persons in gurdwaras. As per guru ji sikh should be like guru ji HUKUM RAJAI CHALNA NANAK LIKHIA NAL. understand its meaning. U r not equal to gursikh how can u talk of changing rehat to which even GURUS were bound. R u equal to gursikh like BANDA SINGH BAHADUR WHO BORE THE TORTURE OF PUTTING HIS OWN SON HEART IN HIS MOUTH ? WHAT ABOUT SINGHNIS WHO GOT THEIR KIDS CUTTINTO PIECEES AND GOT BODY PARTS INTO THEIR MOUTHS AND AND ALSO GOT GARLANDED WITH IT ? WHAT ABOUT A UNKNOWN SIKH WHO FELT DELIGTED TO BE MARTYEDURING BANDA SINGH BHADUR TIMES THEN CLAIMING TO BE NON SIKH?These people just followed the REhat and cosisdered themselves as humble sikhs.Then u r nobody to comment upon REHAT . See ur position and position these singhs u r so small before them.

When have I said any thing about the rehyat the gurus followed and so on? My argument is solely on, the rehyat that is followed in the modern era by Amrtithdhari sikhs is not 100% accurate to what the guru's followed (this is totally based on a personal opinion, that i have gathered from research articles and papers). So you are saying, guru's were tied down by this rehyat? that suggest, they were not free in any way from the worldly attachments.

Mate, our Gurus were not bound to anything, they were free souls, soring the sky's like birds. From what I understand, Bani is about Prem (Love). Jin Prem Kiyo, Thin Hi Praab Paayo. To obtain fullness within myself, i would need to learn, how i can love my fellow human being before I take the journey to spritual enlightment. Thats why I try to read Bani and hopefully one day the word of the Guru will allow me to ecsape out of this dullity and the rain drop will merge back into the sea. You or people on this forum may not potray me as a sikh, it does not change my view on life. Well the positive point, I do not carry any label. So my friend we have individual path, you walk your's and i will walk mine.

Good Luck and God Bless.

Guru Fethay.

Bro u r dilluted by selfstyled scholars REHAT MARYADA is the creation of GURUS that is welldocumented go and see the meaning of REHATNAMAS THESE WERE DICTATED by guru ji and documented by Bhai nand lal ji and SENpati ji who were contemtnary of guru ji it is not our creation. Some leftist scholars disputed it just to subvert the sikhi although their own marx books deserves to be taken by pigs .

Guru Ji would not bless any Sikh marriage if both bride and groom had not pledged their spiritual alligence to him, it is pointless for a non-sikh to marry a Sikh in a gurdwara because they are not following the same faith. Whole idea of marrying someone in a Gurdwara in the presence of Guru ji is because both follow the same spiritual path. So it is mandatory that the non-Sikh converts to Sikhism or the couple forget about Sikhism and marry anywhere they like apart from Gurdwara in a Sikh marriage ceremony.

It makes me laugh, when I read posts like this. One question, do you know what Guru ji is feeling? Are you in oneness with mighty Akaal? If you have answered "no" to any one of these questions, then how can you write a post like this? Your post portrays an image of Guru ji being contradictive.

If the entire Guru's have not discriminated in any way, who gives us the right to say what Guru ji wants, unless you have reached the same level on your spiritual journey and fully understand the want they wanted.

If you give a diamond to an ordinary person and asked him or her to value it, they will not be able to value the diamond unless they had the knowledge to recognise its quality. Same with understanding of Guru ji, you require the spiritual knowledge and uplift to release what Guru ji's really wants.

It is the personal choice if someone marries otherperson but when rehat is concerned then it becomes panthic issuse u can get married in court in case of intercommunity marriages but in case some one insists on ANAND KARAJ then it is firm no ,such marriage in gurdwara is sacrilege. Take example of nagpur where local sikh sangat stopped such marriage and banned such marriages in gurdwara in future.In Jamsheshpur in Madya Pradesh sikh sangat has banned such maariages and mariages of shorn hair persons in gurdwaras. As per guru ji sikh should be like guru ji HUKUM RAJAI CHALNA NANAK LIKHIA NAL. understand its meaning. U r not equal to gursikh how can u talk of changing rehat to which even GURUS were bound. R u equal to gursikh like BANDA SINGH BAHADUR WHO BORE THE TORTURE OF PUTTING HIS OWN SON HEART IN HIS MOUTH ? WHAT ABOUT SINGHNIS WHO GOT THEIR KIDS CUTTINTO PIECEES AND GOT BODY PARTS INTO THEIR MOUTHS AND AND ALSO GOT GARLANDED WITH IT ? WHAT ABOUT A UNKNOWN SIKH WHO FELT DELIGTED TO BE MARTYEDURING BANDA SINGH BHADUR TIMES THEN CLAIMING TO BE NON SIKH?These people just followed the REhat and cosisdered themselves as humble sikhs.Then u r nobody to comment upon REHAT . See ur position and position these singhs u r so small before them.

Paaji the rehat maryada changes all the time, and is changed by normal people.

I Only go by the love of god and mankind referred to in the Gur Granth Sahib Ji.

May I remind you that none of our guru sahibs had Anand Karaj Marriages and the Anand Karaj Act was passed in 1909, 200 years after the passing on of Guru Gobind Singh ji.

It can be argued therefore that had guru Sahib wanted us to have Anand Karaj marriages he would have infact introduced them.

Nevertheless, in practical terms you will always see non sikhs marry sikhs in gurdwaras just liek you will see the same in Christian, Hindu and Buddist faiths, this is a good thing.

MAY I REMIND YOU THAT THE MORE EXTREME AND STRICT YOU BECOME , YOU WILL END UP SEEING SIKH BOYS AND GIRLS MARRYING OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER FAITHS IN CHURCHES , MANDIRS AND MOSQUES AND THEY WILL PROBABLY END UP SEVERING TIES WITH SIKHI RATHER THAN KEEPING A STRONG BOND WITH IT.

ITS BETTER THAT THEY STAY WITH THE FAITH SOEMHOW THAN BE PUSHED AWAY.

Rememebr the word of the god,. love humanity and stop hating on a whole group of people its silly.

PEACE , bhull chuk mafe

Bro u have the slave mentality first u cannot compare sikhi with other religions secondly even Guru ji were bound by REHAT MARYADA. U talk of limited no remember after battle of chamkaur shaib only 3 sikhs remained with guru ji so numbers r immaterial no one can change rehat maryada as rehat bina na sikh kahawawe , Only sikhism allows other religions right to worship at their places it does not mean that we should change rehat maryada according to convinace. Let me tell u all gurus were very strict about code of conduct or rehat.Guru gobind singh ji incoporated and made it compulsory , is ur self made maryada superior to gurus . U should go to some mahasha or leftist forum not write this rubish here . According to sikh rehat maryada only anand karaj can be held between sikh as it is only ceremony for sabat soorat rehatwan sikhs.

Bruv, You need to take the chill pill.

That is the most absurd thing I have heard from you guys. If Mani007 is questioning your faith, you have no answers but are pushing him away.

Has he made any offensive statement on this forum? He has given his point of view.

Everyone talks about Rehayt marayda, like it's the end all to everything and use the Gurus as an example of Rehat Maraydha followed by them is what we follow today is 100% accurate. The only thing we have in the present, which is 100% accurate, is Sri Guru Granth Sahaib ji. Tell me where in Maharaaj it says you cannot marry in Gurdawara if you are not a Sikh.

Large majority of the Sikhs in this country cut their hair but still attend Gurdwara regularly, if they decide to marry a non-Sikh and they want marry them in a Gurdwara. I don't see any problem with that. If you are going to push these Sikhs out then they will go elsewhere.

If push these Sikhs out, the Sikh faith will shrink in this country and the world. If this is the case, you will see what has happened in France. You would be asked to take your Kirpan off and probably you're Dusttar. I have seen how Sikhs are treated in France, when they have to get there passport picture taken, they have to remove there Dusttar and open their hair.

Guru Fethay

It is u who needs pill first u have very limited knowldge of sikhi secondly u have self justification , Those who cut their hair r called SIRGUMS by GURU NANAK DEV JI all gurus follow rehat U have selfish outlook sikhi is made of feeling of conviction and sarifice u have no right of demeaning holy dastar. French seems to forgotten the world wars when dastar wearing singhs freed their nation from germans . Sirgums have no right to get their ardass in all takhts. sikhi reject numbers, STATUS OF THOSE WHO CUTT THEIR HAIR ACCORDING TO ENGLISH VERSION OF SAKHI REHAT KI BY BHAI NAND LAL SINGH JI GURU SAID STRICTLY NO SIKH WILL USE USTRA THOSE WHO USE OR TRIMS HAIR IS LIKE HAVING PHYSICAL RELATIONS WITH THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS THESE WERE THE WORDS OF DASMESH PITA JI, those who cutt their hair and call themselves sikhs should learn from these injuctions. According to GUR SHOBA OF SENPATI NO SIKH WILL EVER GO TO ANY CEREMONY OF SIRGUMS OR CUTSIKHS THOSE INTERACTING WITH SIRGUMS BECOME TANKHAIAS.I amm writing in caps as these were the spoken words of GURU JI , Those who question the rehat should adopt another religion as they can do ardass at takhts as members of another religion . All founders of all religions kept their hair intact. Kesh is first test of sikhi. Even punjab and haryana high court has given legal recoginition to rehat maryada. If u do not have respect for sikhi then it is better for u adopt another religion in words of guru ji REHAT PYARI MUJGH KO SIKH PYRA NAHIN. Even I FACE MORE DIFFICUTY WITH SABAT SOORAT IN INTEIROR OFindia itself more humilation than france we kept our swaroop we r not cowards like u. Iam proud to announce despite narrow escape during 1984 riots we kept our swaroop if u people call us fanatic never mind atleast we r not cowards like u.

Good on you my friend, I will carry on as I am. What you just told me shows contradictions in the Sikh Dharma. You believe Guru Granth sahaib is your Guru, but you prefer to follow these Rehat Maryda (Which are not 100% CORRECT).

Quick question, what is the difference in Sikhs and Muslims? Because from what you have said I can’t see any, just another boxed religion with do's and don'ts.

Mate, you talk about the Sikh saroop, but how many Christians in Punjab have the Sikh saroop. I've seen them my selfes in India, they look like Singh’s but they are Christians.

Friend there is no cotradictions in sikhism but in ur mind what u state is ur personal point of view not of guru secondly GURGADDI was given to both GURU PANTH AND GURU GRANTH . GURU GRANTH is SPIRITUAL GURU GURU PANTH IS physical GURU that is why GURU GRANTH is escorted by guru panth in form of PANJ PYRRAS. gURU Panth consists of REHATVAN SINGHS and PANJ PYRAAS REPRESENT it. Let us remember GURU GOBIND SINGH JI took Amrit from panj pyras signifing the concept of guru panth . Even Guru Nanak dev ji asked for blessings of new guru Angaddev ji after giving him gurgaddi signifing gurpanth. U say difference between between islam and sikhi is that while there is no code of conduct for any religion and secondly only sikhism prays for SARBAT DA BHALLA.Go to mosque and do namaj see how the muslims will react. Before questioning rehat be a humble being shed ur ego . U can live as u wish but u have no right whatsoever to pass any judgement on rehat nor any one forces u to become a singh it is iner feeling. As far as chritains r concened fanatic preachers r subverting the sikhs slowly and dangerously one such preacher did come regularly to me once he saw me wearing puatan kirpan and doing path ,he stopped visiting me knowing my true faih. Rehat is the creation of gurus which is perfect people like u run away and made lame excuses so u can live as u wish but u have no right to made any judgement on rehat. We as a member of khalsa brotherhood is bound by it.

Just news in afternoon rulda singh chief of rastriya sikh sangat is shot at by some youths in Patiala and is admmited to PGI in chandigarh in critical condition although out of danger.police is looking for the assilants.

Just news in afternoon rulda singh chief of rastriya sikh sangat is shot at by some youths in Patiala and is admmited to PGI in chandigarh in critical condition although out of danger.police is looking for the assilants.

Paaji the rehat maryada changes all the time, and is changed by normal people.

I Only go by the love of god and mankind referred to in the Gur Granth Sahib Ji.

May I remind you that none of our guru sahibs had Anand Karaj Marriages and the Anand Karaj Act was passed in 1909, 200 years after the passing on of Guru Gobind Singh ji.

It can be argued therefore that had guru Sahib wanted us to have Anand Karaj marriages he would have infact introduced them.

Nevertheless, in practical terms you will always see non sikhs marry sikhs in gurdwaras just liek you will see the same in Christian, Hindu and Buddist faiths, this is a good thing.

MAY I REMIND YOU THAT THE MORE EXTREME AND STRICT YOU BECOME , YOU WILL END UP SEEING SIKH BOYS AND GIRLS MARRYING OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER FAITHS IN CHURCHES , MANDIRS AND MOSQUES AND THEY WILL PROBABLY END UP SEVERING TIES WITH SIKHI RATHER THAN KEEPING A STRONG BOND WITH IT.

ITS BETTER THAT THEY STAY WITH THE FAITH SOEMHOW THAN BE PUSHED AWAY.

Rememebr the word of the god,. love humanity and stop hating on a whole group of people its silly.

PEACE , bhull chuk mafe

Bro u have the slave mentality first u cannot compare sikhi with other religions secondly even Guru ji were bound by REHAT MARYADA. U talk of limited no remember after battle of chamkaur shaib only 3 sikhs remained with guru ji so numbers r immaterial no one can change rehat maryada as rehat bina na sikh kahawawe , Only sikhism allows other religions right to worship at their places it does not mean that we should change rehat maryada according to convinace. Let me tell u all gurus were very strict about code of conduct or rehat.Guru gobind singh ji incoporated and made it compulsory , is ur self made maryada superior to gurus . U should go to some mahasha or leftist forum not write this rubish here . According to sikh rehat maryada only anand karaj can be held between sikh as it is only ceremony for sabat soorat rehatwan sikhs.

Bruv, You need to take the chill pill.

That is the most absurd thing I have heard from you guys. If Mani007 is questioning your faith, you have no answers but are pushing him away.

Has he made any offensive statement on this forum? He has given his point of view.

Everyone talks about Rehayt marayda, like it’s the end all to everything and use the Gurus as an example of Rehat Maraydha followed by them is what we follow today is 100% accurate. The only thing we have in the present, which is 100% accurate, is Sri Guru Granth Sahaib ji. Tell me where in Maharaaj it says you cannot marry in Gurdawara if you are not a Sikh.

Large majority of the Sikhs in this country cut their hair but still attend Gurdwara regularly, if they decide to marry a non-Sikh and they want marry them in a Gurdwara. I don’t see any problem with that. If you are going to push these Sikhs out then they will go elsewhere.

If push these Sikhs out, the Sikh faith will shrink in this country and the world. If this is the case, you will see what has happened in France. You would be asked to take your Kirpan off and probably you’re Dusttar. I have seen how Sikhs are treated in France, when they have to get there passport picture taken, they have to remove there Dusttar and open their hair.

Guru Fethay

It is u who needs pill first u have very limited knowldge of sikhi secondly u have self justification , Those who cut their hair r called SIRGUMS by GURU NANAK DEV JI all gurus follow rehat U have selfish outlook sikhi is made of feeling of conviction and sarifice u have no right of demeaning holy dastar. French seems to forgotten the world wars when dastar wearing singhs freed their nation from germans . Sirgums have no right to get their ardass in all takhts. sikhi reject numbers, STATUS OF THOSE WHO CUTT THEIR HAIR ACCORDING TO ENGLISH VERSION OF SAKHI REHAT KI BY BHAI NAND LAL SINGH JI GURU SAID STRICTLY NO SIKH WILL USE USTRA THOSE WHO USE OR TRIMS HAIR IS LIKE HAVING PHYSICAL RELATIONS WITH THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS THESE WERE THE WORDS OF DASMESH PITA JI, those who cutt their hair and call themselves sikhs should learn from these injuctions. According to GUR SHOBA OF SENPATI NO SIKH WILL EVER GO TO ANY CEREMONY OF SIRGUMS OR CUTSIKHS THOSE INTERACTING WITH SIRGUMS BECOME TANKHAIAS.I amm writing in caps as these were the spoken words of GURU JI , Those who question the rehat should adopt another religion as they can do ardass at takhts as members of another religion . All founders of all religions kept their hair intact. Kesh is first test of sikhi. Even punjab and haryana high court has given legal recoginition to rehat maryada. If u do not have respect for sikhi then it is better for u adopt another religion in words of guru ji REHAT PYARI MUJGH KO SIKH PYRA NAHIN. Even I FACE MORE DIFFICUTY WITH SABAT SOORAT IN INTEIROR OFindia itself more humilation than france we kept our swaroop we r not cowards like u. Iam proud to announce despite narrow escape during 1984 riots we kept our swaroop if u people call us fanatic never mind atleast we r not cowards like u.

Paaji the rehat maryada changes all the time, and is changed by normal people.

I Only go by the love of god and mankind referred to in the Gur Granth Sahib Ji.

May I remind you that none of our guru sahibs had Anand Karaj Marriages and the Anand Karaj Act was passed in 1909, 200 years after the passing on of Guru Gobind Singh ji.

It can be argued therefore that had guru Sahib wanted us to have Anand Karaj marriages he would have infact introduced them.

Nevertheless, in practical terms you will always see non sikhs marry sikhs in gurdwaras just liek you will see the same in Christian, Hindu and Buddist faiths, this is a good thing.

MAY I REMIND YOU THAT THE MORE EXTREME AND STRICT YOU BECOME , YOU WILL END UP SEEING SIKH BOYS AND GIRLS MARRYING OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER FAITHS IN CHURCHES , MANDIRS AND MOSQUES AND THEY WILL PROBABLY END UP SEVERING TIES WITH SIKHI RATHER THAN KEEPING A STRONG BOND WITH IT.

ITS BETTER THAT THEY STAY WITH THE FAITH SOEMHOW THAN BE PUSHED AWAY.

Rememebr the word of the god,. love humanity and stop hating on a whole group of people its silly.

PEACE , bhull chuk mafe

Bro u have the slave mentality first u cannot compare sikhi with other religions secondly even Guru ji were bound by REHAT MARYADA. U talk of limited no remember after battle of chamkaur shaib only 3 sikhs remained with guru ji so numbers r immaterial no one can change rehat maryada as rehat bina na sikh kahawawe , Only sikhism allows other religions right to worship at their places it does not mean that we should change rehat maryada according to convinace. Let me tell u all gurus were very strict about code of conduct or rehat.Guru gobind singh ji incoporated and made it compulsory , is ur self made maryada superior to gurus . U should go to some mahasha or leftist forum not write this rubish here . According to sikh rehat maryada only anand karaj can be held between sikh as it is only ceremony for sabat soorat rehatwan sikhs.

Khalsa Jeeo

£160!!!!!

dat is just a R.I.P

vat so specialeee bout dis ting? platinum? titanium? does it deflect bullet from the gun?

Looks like something from Ikea kitchen with big phat kanda on it.

dont get me wrong nice picture though.

any vays changa brethrino

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please do not make fun of puatan shastars during battle of okinawa during ww two japense when short of amno wiped out 80,000 soviet troops with these weapons after long seige by us forces then allied could capure the islands after losing 30,000 us troops. Khalsai tegha can withhold the rifle bullet.

China is already in occupation of all important strategic locations or points on the border in Himalayas which it acquired in 62. This time it will come via Lahore , if it ever decides to that is. China won't attack India unless it has built a strong navy. I don't see it happenning soon. But if China does attack Indian soldiers would run away as they did in 1962 by spreading rumours that chinese soldiers were 'ten feet tall' and invincible. India will miss Sikhs then.....

Chinese have already built up a strong navy it is having 6 attack nuclear subnarines 2 or three missile submarine in nuclear category capable of launching multiwarhead misslies besides 100 modern warships .Each of missles has 20 to 40 megatonnes capabilty and has land based air based and sea based nuclear systems . According to german daily in 1986 it has deployed 140 land based misslies at 140 indian cities, In 2003 it has changed its doctrine and asserted in case of missle and nuclear threat from india it will launch preemtive strikes, Further chinese r hard decision makers they never care for consequences or world opinion. If provoked as last yearin tibet it might launch attack as it declared in 2008,

see not all hindus r bad not all socalled sikhs like badals i personaly not regard him sikh r not good take example of joginder singh ex cbi chief rameshinder singh, tarlochan singh etc they r stooges of rss only answer lies in organisg pro khalistan conference in an punjab in amritsar and invite sangh parivar and see their reaction and tell them episode during the time of gur hargobind ji when a sikh struck off the nose of naina devi and brahmins invented the theory of devi pujan by dasam pita and tell verses of SWWIYAS . As devi used to serve guru nanak dev ji with by brooming the floor. During medival times there was saying in Ghajni the chiken is costlier than the hindu girls, Hindu girls used to sold for less than a paisa that is one takka the poorest of muslims used to buy most pretty hindu girls tnow these people have become ungrateful those sikhs who gives their daughters to hindus in mariage r like hindus of medival period who used to send their daughters for pleasure of ruling muslims.

singh ... i have also seen that guy a lot on various forums with all his same copy paste ... if u can kindly get in some verbal debate and record it that would be better he may lost to you here but will again copy paste the same stuff on other forum ... get some recording answering all fixed questions ... if u can do it thats great ...

u can find him on orkut in the largest community of sikhs ... "sikhism" with 25000 + members ... there he did open beadbi of jaap sahib ... in order to prove anyone can write jaap sahib style ... he wrote his own jaap sahib look alike poetry ... mods there didnt even cared to warn him ... i even have the screen shots of the beadbi ...

if u want to bring the truth out of this guy get in some audio debate ... nothing else will help ...

Jassa bro it is fourth time I have heard of beadbi of nitnem although I have differences in some points with u and inder singh but minor one which can be between any one in fraternity it is hurting if some one is disgracing the JAP SHAIB which any gursikh can never tolerate these most of anti dasam granthis have leftist leanings for example kala afghana, pashura singh and co belongs to extreme left organisations they belong to naxallite groups of 60s and 70s after which these people joined panthic groups along with others others r g.s grewal ex vc of guru nanak dev university,g.s dhillon who belongs to ur place patiala, gurtej singh , harbhajan singh of jan chetna etc. Their motive is to divide the panth into folds of guru nanak and guru gobind singh it is deeprooted conpiracy. Personal lives of these people r wellknown and how much they follow the rehat some of these people if u ask me the names I will give u even smoke in toilet and were caught please ignore these anti panthic people it is againist my personal ethic to write any thing about personal lives but these people r wearing panthic mask behind it is their ugly face perhaps admin may not like my this post or edit it but for the sake of sikhi be aware of these socalled scholars otherwise we will be commiting harakiri.

Iam refering to these fake scholars who even smoke in toilets during seminars and becomes anti religion Iam jst giving u the tip of iceberg their personal lives r very corrupted .

Hawk13

Those who condemn the divine bani of our Gurus will face divine retribution also. There is justice form God in the long run for such people.

One of the leaders of this group and mentor of kala afghana was gurtej singh IAS. I have heard that he lost his voice and cann't speak even. So those who commit sins get their due. Divine dispensation may be delayed but it is there.

Gurtej singh is alrepight and submitted and argued the case before punjab and haryana high court on definition of sikh on 27 feb i know about him and also about his black deeds but disclosing these will look like mudsling as this forum is for sikhi prachar so ignore these papis what i heard about these gangsters u will never believe .

singh ... i have also seen that guy a lot on various forums with all his same copy paste ... if u can kindly get in some verbal debate and record it that would be better he may lost to you here but will again copy paste the same stuff on other forum ... get some recording answering all fixed questions ... if u can do it thats great ...

u can find him on orkut in the largest community of sikhs ... "sikhism" with 25000 + members ... there he did open beadbi of jaap sahib ... in order to prove anyone can write jaap sahib style ... he wrote his own jaap sahib look alike poetry ... mods there didnt even cared to warn him ... i even have the screen shots of the beadbi ...

if u want to bring the truth out of this guy get in some audio debate ... nothing else will help ...

Jassa bro it is fourth time I have heard of beadbi of nitnem although I have differences in some points with u and inder singh but minor one which can be between any one in fraternity it is hurting if some one is disgracing the JAP SHAIB which any gursikh can never tolerate these most of anti dasam granthis have leftist leanings for example kala afghana, pashura singh and co belongs to extreme left organisations they belong to naxallite groups of 60s and 70s after which these people joined panthic groups along with others others r g.s grewal ex vc of guru nanak dev university,g.s dhillon who belongs to ur place patiala, gurtej singh , harbhajan singh of jan chetna etc. Their motive is to divide the panth into folds of guru nanak and guru gobind singh it is deeprooted conpiracy. Personal lives of these people r wellknown and how much they follow the rehat some of these people if u ask me the names I will give u even smoke in toilet and were caught please ignore these anti panthic people it is againist my personal ethic to write any thing about personal lives but these people r wearing panthic mask behind it is their ugly face perhaps admin may not like my this post or edit it but for the sake of sikhi be aware of these socalled scholars otherwise we will be commiting harakiri.

Iam refering to these fake scholars who even smoke in toilets during seminars and becomes anti religion Iam jst giving u the tip of iceberg their personal lives r very corrupted .

In 1950 the "Sikh Rehat Maryada" was finally approved. The document has been accepted as the official version which provides guidelines for all Sikh individuals and communities around the world. Its implementation has resulted in a high level of uniformity in the religious and social practices of Sikhism.

Sikh Rehat Maryada is based on earlier codes (Rehat namas), the earliest of them are:

Tanakhah-nama (Nasihat Nama) Samvat 1776 (1718-19 CE), ten years after the death of Guru Gobind Singh. The Prahilad Rai Rehat-nama

Sakhi Rehat ki: About 1735 CE

Chaupa Singh Rehat-nama: 1740-1765 CE (1700 CE according to Piara Singh Padam). Chaupa Singh was a member of the Guru's retinue. He was entrusted with the care of infant Gobind Das by Guru Tegh Bahadur. Some members of Chaupa Singh's family became martyrs with the Guru Tegh Bahadur in Delhi and others served under the 10th Guru.

Desa Singh Rehat-nama: late 18th century

Daya Singh Rehat-nama etc

Two most most important sources r Sakhi Rehat ki , Gurshoba ,Prasan uttar while sakhi rehat and prasan uttar are written by bhai nand lal singh ji a contemtnary and court poet of guru Gobind Singh ji gurshoba is written by senpati or mohkam singh who was also not a cort poet of guru ji but but a childhood friend of guru ji these writings covers the rehat apart from this conversation of guru nanak dev ji with pir bahrudin in mecca and directions to bhai mardana is also most important sources particulary with regard to unshorn hair.

The Jap Shaiab has great power no one can be coward if one does this path and u can experience meeting with Almighty through this prayer.