hawk13

How did you conclude they were Hindus ? Usually in Mumbai it is the muslim youth who misbehave with foreigners and use the crowd or mob as a cover for molesting vulnerable girls.

this had already happened during New Year's Eve as well. Mumbai also has a huge floating and resident muslim population.

From all my years in India, and for all their sins, rarely have I seen ordinary hindus misbehave with women when in a group or by themselves. Usually one of the positive features of India and it's hindus are that even in an urban setting they are more or less respectful towards women. The only exception to this is noticed in Western UP or Delhi which are an exception though only to a degree.

Western UP and Delhi happened to be centres of the Mughal Empire and thus it is natural that those who lived in these parts didn't usually get their women treated with respect and neither did they bother to return those favours to anyone else.

Veero I have great respect for nitnem banis ,sarb loh granth I daily do path of jap shaib and chapui shaib daily I just pointed the points of contrdiction sikhi is facing many enemies even small anti sikh r threatening the sikhi leave alone deras like sirsa dera and others we need attention there if these anti suceeding in elminating us who will defend the sikhi we have to deal with these anti sikh forces if neccessary by force then decide the issuse sitting peacefully as it is a fact both anti desam granth and pro desam granth disgraced the sikhi by fighting with eachother in holy gurdwaras with swords and other arms in hazoor shaib ,faidabad,and other places where were these people when sirsa dera, noormehilas were attacking singhs both these people apealed for peace like gandhi. I am proud to declare I alone took the step of stopping followers of sirsa dera from entering our locality and made enemies of his followers. One need initative which is not only missing in leaders but in common sikhs.

Sri Dasam Grant is not an issue of debate.

However there can be positive discussions which aim at understanding the essence of Gurbani.

Hence there is nothing like "Pro or Anti Dasam Granth". However there are believers and non believers of Guru's bani.

And the message of the entire panth and Akal Takhat has been clear to those non believers....."Shararti Ansar" (mischievous mongers)

Faridabad Cult doesn't even need any mention here. They are heretics who publically denigrate every bani of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, even Nitnem, Amrit and Ardas.

And Hawk13 I would suggest that instead of writing posts based on hearsay you go and do some basic study on the banees that constitute our Nitnem. In one post you denounced Ramavtar without even knowing that couplets from the composition are part of Rehras Sahib. Swayya "Bahe Gahe Jab Te..." forms the last stanza of Ramavtar where Guru Sahib has clearly given the message that though he has heard of King Ram and has written about him, he doesn't believe in Ram (as God).

inder singh ji I do the path of nitnem as essential for any amritdhari sikh particularly jap shaib is most enlighting if some one do this path he will emerge winner in all fields that is my personal experience.

Veero I have great respect for nitnem banis ,sarb loh granth I daily do path of jap shaib and chapui shaib daily I just pointed the points of contrdiction sikhi is facing many enemies even small anti sikh r threatening the sikhi leave alone deras like sirsa dera and others we need attention there if these anti suceeding in elminating us who will defend the sikhi we have to deal with these anti sikh forces if neccessary by force then decide the issuse sitting peacefully as it is a fact both anti desam granth and pro desam granth disgraced the sikhi by fighting with eachother in holy gurdwaras with swords and other arms in hazoor shaib ,faidabad,and other places where were these people when sirsa dera, noormehilas were attacking singhs both these people apealed for peace like gandhi. I am proud to declare I alone took the step of stopping followers of sirsa dera from entering our locality and made enemies of his followers. One need initative which is not only missing in leaders but in common sikhs.

veer many a time it has been said that Sikhs are Hindus. Even the Indian constitution decrees that. There was a fool who even wrote a book in hindi and mentioned how Guru Granth Sahib mentions the word Ram fourteen hundered times. But veer, has anybody claiming Sikhs to be Hindus ever quoted from Dasam Granth? if yes then please let me know where. thanks

Bro first I want to clarify that supreme court larger constitutution bench has held sikhs as not part of hindu fold and this judgement cannot be overruled by even division bench. Secondly name of ram is just reference to akalpurukh not to any king or hindu gods rather GRANTH SHAIB contradicts strongly hindu gods and goddeesses. In the megazines run by RSS organisations such as bharat vikas parishad in their weekly publications with reference to dasam granth calls guru gobind singh as comming from the lineage of luv and kush and has done tap of shiv and shiva( durga) at hemkunt shaiab. I have great respect for hemkunt shaib but when guru ji has rejected concept of jap, tap, vart how can he do it. perhapa in his previous birth our guru ji must have done bhakti another interesting point is that period mentioned about the guru ji tap was such accoding to scientists ther was sea in place of wheremountains stands today even one can find signs of life during that period. When ever some rss visits punjab or some gurdwara they refers to dasam granth more than granth shaiab

I used to have doubts about DG in past. But now i am clear in my mind and that has taken me nearer to GOD.

Dhan guru gobind singh. Dhan Khalsa who is gururoop. Mone should be the last to question to Khalsa. Khalsa does whatever it wants. If Khalsa wants to do parkash of DG with SGGS (although at lower level), even Guruji would accept this. The same Guru who had to leave Chmakaur at the order of Khalsa, the same Guru who was punished by Khalsa for touching his teer at a pirs samadh. That was the love and respect the Guru himself showed to Khalsa he created. Who are we to question what Khalsa does.

inder singh ji plese read the histroic fact due to prices on heads of sikhs the dal khalsa had to employ the udassis as expect from Aurengjeb times all sadhus were exempted from prosecution what the udassis did was more than the massa rangers during gurdwara movement after many sacrifices these gurdwaras were freed . And a large sections of nihangs supported these mahants and even sent armed men to evict the singhs but some nihang leaders invevened to dissuade the nihang supporters from attacking singhs. Why r u ignoring nitnem banis of swyiasses, jap shaib read these then reply.

Please do not compare with me with kala afghana inder singh . Go and read whole granth then discuss , u r the one strenthening kala aghana by unreasonable comments. I have already written it should be researched u r not historian. As all Gurdwaras were under hinduminded mahants so manipulations cannot be ruled out,

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t is from CHUPAI SHAIB which is part of Rehras shiab . Please bro see my post I did not cotradict CHPUAI SHIAB IT IS THE WRITING OF DESAM PITAJI .RamAVTAR AND KRISHNA AVTAR IS DIFFERENT VERSES I just wrote about it

You do not know what you are talking about. Dohra is from rehras sahib but is taken from RAM AVTAR, So are the otehr verses which are not from chaupai sahib but from RAM AVTAR.

You are slandering bani of tenth master by providing false information.

Hawk 13 writes Krishna avtar not being written by guru sahib

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RAM AVTAR, KRISHNA AVTAR IN WHICH WRITER OR POET IS SHYAM.

hawk ji please raed the following from krishan avtar

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਸੱਤ੍ਰਹ ਸੈ ਪੈਤਾਲ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਵਨ ਸੁਦਿ ਥਿਤਿ ਦੀਪ ॥ ਨਗਰ ਪਾਂਵਟਾ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਨ ਜਮਨਾ ਬਹੈ ਸਮੀਪ ॥੨੪੯੦॥

स्त्रह सै पैताल महि सावन सुदि थिति दीप ॥ नगर पांवटा सुभ करन जमना बहै समीप ॥२४९०॥

In the year 1745 of the Vikrami era in the Sudi aspect of the moon in the month of Sawan, in the town of Paonta at the auspicious hour, on banks of the flowing Yamuna; (this work has been completed).2490.

ਦਸਮ ਕਥਾ ਭਾਗਉਤ ਕੀ ਭਾਖਾ ਕਰੀ ਬਨਾਇ ॥ ਅਵਰ ਬਾਸਨਾ ਨਾਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਧਰਮ ਜੁੱਧ ਕੇ ਚਾਇ ॥੨੪੯੧॥

दसम कथा भागउत की भाखा करी बनाइ ॥ अवर बासना नाहि प्रभ धरम जु्ध के चाइ ॥२४९१॥

I have composed the discourse of the tenth part (Skandh) of Bhagavat in the vernacular; O Lord ! I have no other desire and have only the zeal for the war fought on the basis of righteousness.2491.

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

सवैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਧੰਨ ਜੀਓ ਤਿਹ ਕੋ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਚਿੱਤ ਮੈ ਜੁਧੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਦੇਹ ਅਨਿੱਤ ਨ ਨਿੱਤ ਰਹੈ ਜਸੁ ਨਾਵ ਚੜੈ ਭਵਸਾਗਰ ਤਾਰੈ ॥

धंन जीओ तिह को जग मै मुख ते हरि चि्त मै जुधु बिचारै ॥ देह अनि्त न नि्त रहै जसु नाव चड़ै भवसागर तारै ॥

Bravo to the soul of that person, who remembers the Lord through his mouth and reflects in his mind about the war of righteousness; who considers this body the war of righteousness; who considers this body as transient, ascends the boat of Lords` praise and ferries across the dreadful ocean of the world;

ਧੀਰਜ ਧਾਮ ਬਨਾਇ ਇਹੈ ਤਨ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਸੁ ਦੀਪਕ ਜਿਉ ਉਜੀਆਰੈ ॥ ਗਯਾਨਹਿ ਕੀ ਬਢਨੀ ਮਨਹੁ ਹਾਥ ਲੈ ਕਾਤਰਤਾ ਕੁਤਵਾਰ ਬੁਹਾਰੈ ॥੨੪੯੨॥

धीरज धाम बनाइ इहै तन बु्धि सु दीपक जिउ उजीआरै ॥ गयानहि की बढनी मनहु हाथ लै कातरता कुतवार बुहारै ॥२४९२॥

Who makes this body as the abode of forbearance and enlightens it with the lamp of intellect and who taking the broom of knowledge in his hand sweeps away the rubbish of cowardice.2492.

ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਸਿਕੰਧ ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕੇ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾਵਤਾਰੇ ਧਯਾਇ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੨੧॥

इति स्री दसम सिकंध पुराणे बचित्र नाटके ग्रंथे क्रिशनावतारे धयाइ समापतम सतु सुभम सतु ॥२१॥

End of the concluding auspicious chapter of Krishnavatara (based on Dasham Skandh Purana) in Bachittar Natak.21.

krishna avtar, Chaubis avtar , Dasam granth

So you need to change your name form hawk to chiriya.

please see that verse the guru ji converted chirya toah baj that is hawk this hasbeen done by Guru JI BEING A AMRITDHARI IAM ALREADY HAWK AND 13 IS TERAH OF WHICH GURU NANAK JI DONE SACCHA SAUDA . SO DO NOT SUGGEST ANYTHING DEMEANING NOT EVEN APPLY THIS TO U IF U R GUR SIKH.

Hawk 13 writes ram avtar not being written by guru sahib

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RAM AVTAR, KRISHNA AVTAR IN WHICH WRITER OR POET IS SHYAM.

hawk ji please raed the following is fromram Avtar

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥

स्वैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤਿ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਿਯੋ ॥

पांइ गहे जब ते तुमरे तब ते कोऊ आंख तरे नही आनियो ॥ राम रहीम पुरान कुरान अनेक कहैं मति एक न मानियो ॥

O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept any of their opinions;

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥

सिम्रिति सासत्र बेद सभै बहु भेद कहै हम एक न जानियो ॥ स्री असिपानि क्रिपा तुमरी करि मै न कहियो सभ तोहि बखानियो ॥८६३॥

The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਸਗਲ ਦੁਆਰ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਕੈ ਗਹਿਯੋ ਤੁਹਾਰੋ ਦੁਆਰ ॥ ਬਾਂਹਿ ਗਹੇ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ਅਸਿ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਦਾਸ ਤੁਹਾਰ ॥੮੬੪॥

सगल दुआर को छाडि कै गहियो तुहारो दुआर ॥ बांहि गहे की लाज असि गोबिंद दास तुहार ॥८६४॥

O Lord ! I have forsaken all other doors and have caught hold of only Thy door. O Lord ! Thou has caught hold of my arm; I, Govind, am Thy serf, kindly take (care of me and) protect my honour.864.

Note the name in DOHRA. What is that? How it is different from sikh thought.

Exept for sikhs all fanatics from other religion r using unethic methods to destroy sikhi this is latest trend . We should not be soft on muslims, hindus and chirstains fanatics.While muslims useignorant sikh girls ,hindus fanatics also doing same in punjab. Chirstains schools and their missionaries r doing in rural punjab exhort family members of sikhs to burn sikh gutkas this is happening in bathinda, patti, gobinwal shaiab ,tarntarn shaiab. Sikh families flounts their kids r convent educated but these kids before bowing to GRANTH SHAIAB in gurdwara pays respect to chirst bu making cross on chest, Did any sikh force the people from other religion to accecpt his practices the answer is no, It is also true some top convent schools located in state of HIMACHAL PRADESH has great respect for all religions particular sikhism one such school r bishop cotton , convent of jesus and mary, larreto. In bishop cotton school it is essential for sikhs to wear dastar . Unlike convent schools of punjab where there r instances where sikh boys were punished for wearing dastar, If muslim fanatics r using sikh girls girls should be taught about rich heritage of sikhism and muslims fanatics should be taught how one can forget about bullet injuries but not injuries from kirpan types such as teghas, sirohi ,khandas . They should be shown proper place. and fanatic hindus should also be accoded same treatment

UK Gupt Kaur, Dal Singh

Prakash of Guru Granth Sahib and Guru Dasam Granth Sahib should be done in every gurudwara how it use to be done before. This is not Beadbi of our eternal Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahibji maharaj. It would be Beadbi if Guru Dasam Granth Sahib jis prakash was done without the presence of Guru Granth Sahib. Simple

And may I add when I write Guru Dasam Granth Sahib it means, that this is the granth of Guru Gobind Singh ji and that why

"Guru Dasam" is written as a prefix.

And I regonize Guru Granth Sahib as my Guru and as the Guru of all humanity.

I was listening to Katha by Giani Anoop Singh from the Bir Ras Darbar programme he says Guru Granth sahib ji tells us how high or low our souls can go and what has happened and can happen. i.e Maharaj tell us about the history of soul in this world. Guru Dasam Granth Sahib also tells us how high or low our bodies can go and what has happened and can happen.

For the history of Guru Dasam Granth Sahib ji please with an open mind listen to this on the following link

I have not read anything in spn but from the posts of both pro and anti desam granth posts there is lack of understanding and clarity on following points this confusion is created by both the lobies particularly kala afghanas.

MAIN POINTS

1 It is right true gurgadi was given to GURU GRANTH EVERY BODY FORGETS CONCEPT OF GURU PANTH IN FORM OF PANJ PYARAS THE PHYSICAL FORM OF GURU WHY WE OFFER KARAH PRASAD TO PANJ PYRAS IT is the recoginition of guru panthand GURU GRANTH is accopnied by panj pyras.

2 DO NOT CONSISDER TEACHINGS OF DESAM PITA DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER GURUS IT IS THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF MISSION STATED BY GURU NANAK EVERY GURU IS KNOWN NOT BY HIS NAME BUT BY NANAK AS IS EVIDENT FROM NAME NANAK APPEARS AT THE END OF WAK OR HUKUM.

3 Dal Singh it is true sikhs before DASAM PITA were sikhs but without code or rehat although all all sikh GURUS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS WERE KESHADHARI SIKHS EVEN THIER ATTENDANTS WERE KESHADHARIS AS EVIDENT from ANY OF THE WALL PAINTINGS IN DURBAR SHIAB AND LOCKS OF KESH OF GURU AMARDASS ARE PRESERVED IN GURDWARA CHUBARA SHAIB IN GOBINDWAL SHAIB.

4 SIKH REHAT MARYADA BASED UPON REHATNAMAS of sikh scholars during the times of desam pita is great testimony to concecpt of rehat .Without rehat one cannot be sikh.

5 JAP SHAIB, SWYIAS , 10 SWWIYAS PART ONE ,PART 2 33 SWIYAS ,AKAL USTAD , CHUPAI SHAIB BOTH , ARDASS R WRITTEN BY GURU GOBIND SINGH JI THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ANY DOUBT ABOUT IT.THOSE DOUBTING IT R ENEMIES OF KHALSA.

AREA OF COTROVERSY

TITLE IN SOME BIRS DASAM PITA JI BANI IS WRITTEN OR BACCHITAR NATAK IS WRITTEN OLDEST BIR IS WITH BUDDHA DAL IAM NOT SURE BUT IT IS WITHOUT TITLE .Perhaps my friend Jassa can throw some light on it.

2 Second cotradiction is BANI WHICH CAN BE TERMED AS ANTI PANTHIC SUCH AS TRIYA CHIRTYA,HAKKIYAT, RAM AVTAR, KRISHNA AVTAR IN WHICH WRITER OR POET IS SHYAM. 33 SWWIYASSES AND OTHER SWIYAASES CONTRADICTS BOTH RAM, KRISHNA AND OTHER GODS CAN GURU JI COTRADICTS HIMSELF ANSWER IS NO THESE MAY BE WRITTEN BY SOME OF COURT POETS OR SOME CURRENCY WHICH IS TO BE ESTABISHED BY REASEACH NOT BY NAME CALLING OR THREATENING EACH OTHER.

3 THRID CONTRADICTION IS TAPSYA OR TAP HOW CAN GURU JI DO RITUALS HIMSELF WHEN HE HIMSELF REJECTS THESE PRACTICES IN SWIYAAS WHICH IS PART OF NITNEM OF AMRITDHARI SIKH.

4 HOW CAN GURU JI JUSTIFIES USE OF LIQUOR OR BHANG OR OPIUM IN SOME OF THE VERSES AND CAN BE DISGRACEFUL TO WOMEN AS IN SAME REHATNAMA HE PROHIBITS SIKHS FROM HAVING SEX OUTSIDE WEDLOCK.AND FROM TAKING ANY INTOXIANTS

THIS ISSUE CAN BE SOLVED AFTER SITING TOGEATHER AND HAVING OPEN MINDED DISCUSSIONS AMONG LEARNED PERSONALTIES NOT BY SELF STYLED SCHLOARS LIKE KALA AFGANA, OR SPOKESMAN PEOPLE.

SO BE BEWARE OF SOCALLED SCHLOLARS WHO R BENT UPON DEVIDING PANTH IAM WRITING IN CAPS FOR UNDERSTANDING.

Only solution lies in filing law suits againist mahasha bollywood again taking injuctios in courts in allover world and banning all movies in punjab by force. banning shootings in banning cable tvs movie networks in punjab it is for sikh organisations to take a stand as ulfa did in Assam in 2006.

See the writing in the wall sikhs r being targeted by everybody in Ludhana village few days back a dera head forced a gursikh youth to bow before a mazar who approached the jathebandis when sikh activists went there dera heads escaped and singhs saw many amritdhari sikhs paying homage to mazar then dera head openly dared sikhs to stop his anti sikh activities. That dera head is not as powerful as sirsa dera. In punjab u can come accross sikh youths being beatenup by poorbias. This is because of sikhs r more interested in luxury cars,dowry items etc. Those tring to maintain real sikh cultures of learning martial arts, shooting ,milatary knowldge r looked down upon. Unless we revert back to milatary culture I will not be surprised in future sikhs being killed like goats will be common sight.It is essential to think of ur carreer but if u r not safe then everything will be useless.

HAWK13 veerji, which dera baba is this? Name, dera name and location (exact Pind name etc)

WJKK WJKF

Those who shears his hair being a sikh ceases to be a sikh by his action he is called sirgum or headless person as per wordings of guru Nanak to pir bahrudin in macca and sikh rehat maryada. So persons with shorn hair shuld not be called sikhs as unshorn hair is first condition of sikhi.

See the writing in the wall sikhs r being targeted by everybody in Ludhana village few days back a dera head forced a gursikh youth to bow before a mazar who approached the jathebandis when sikh activists went there dera heads escaped and singhs saw many amritdhari sikhs paying homage to mazar then dera head openly dared sikhs to stop his anti sikh activities. That dera head is not as powerful as sirsa dera. In punjab u can come accross sikh youths being beatenup by poorbias. This is because of sikhs r more interested in luxury cars,dowry items etc. Those tring to maintain real sikh cultures of learning martial arts, shooting ,milatary knowldge r looked down upon. Unless we revert back to milatary culture I will not be surprised in future sikhs being killed like goats will be common sight.It is essential to think of ur carreer but if u r not safe then everything will be useless.

Real story has been concaeled by media the name of migrant labourer is ganga ram on stopped by lone sevadar that guy bashed up sevadar harban singh badly and pulled his beard on seeing it a singh near by stabbed ganga ram in stomach with a spear .It was adefensive action we must praise the singh who saved the sevadar and punished the tormentor, In Punjab visit any histroic gurwara u will find the packets of guthka be it Anadpur shaiab in the amb shaib in pangat once bidis were discovered one can imagine the reaction of hindus if someone goes their place with beef or what will muslims do if pork is found on their religious place.

Yesterday UP police finally praised itself after killing a lone dacait after 52 hour encounter. It is shame full cops numbering 500 -700 laid siege to village to kill a local dacait leader Gansham Kewat first police cliam there were 24 gunmen later it turned out to be one , Cops were armed with modern weapons like GRENADE LAUNCHERS.AK 47S ,INSASS,9MM CARBINES ,LMGS AND WEARING BULLET PROOF JACKETS. THE LONE DACAIT WAS ARMED WITH BOLT ACTION .315 BORE RIFLE . Is the rifle 315 bore better than ak 47 answer is no. cOPS LOST 5 men apart from very senior officer being wounded total 12 injured , they could kill the dacait after he exhusted his amno. further more none of the cop dared to go near the gunman. More shameful is that dacait came from boatman family with very litle milatary training as compared to commondoes. This shows indian state 's weakness.

Bollywood is making big money from the aboard than in india and if sikhs slams court cases on them claiming hugh amount then it will be heavy cost for bollywood. sikhs and gurdwara committees should take bold initative. about JO BOLE SO NIHAL the rahul rawail and distributers withdrew the movie after making undertaking in punjab and haryana high court but movie is still showed on many channels . The sikhs should ban boolywood for any shooting in any gurdwara the bollywood is showing sikh heros jst to attract sikh NRIS.

yesterday as reported in tribune not on line tribune a migrant labourer entered the durbar shiab in drunken condition on pushed away out by task force he entered again from complex through jauraghar near serai angered by this a person stabed the migrant labourer who was admitted in serious condition in guru Ramdass Hospital. Police is looking for the attacker. The question is Is SGPC IS RUNNING HOSPITALS JUST FOR TREATING THOSE WHO DO BEADBI SO OTHERS CAN DO IT AGAIN?The person who stabbed him has done a great job indeed.

Grow up you child!

Didn't Bhai Kanaya serve people indiscriminately?

Why is it in an emotional trance you say things which go against the teachings of Sikhi!

sorry due to net problem my topic has come on board more than once it is reqested if same posts comes more than once it should be deleted

yesterday as reported in tribune not on line tribune a migrant labourer entered the durbar shiab in drunken condition on pushed away out by task force he entered again from complex through jauraghar near serai angered by this a person stabed the migrant labourer who was admitted in serious condition in guru Ramdass Hospital. Police is looking for the attacker. The question is Is SGPC IS RUNNING HOSPITALS JUST FOR TREATING THOSE WHO DO BEADBI SO OTHERS CAN DO IT AGAIN?The person who stabbed him has done a great job indeed.

History of Muay Thai

Muay Thai is referred to as "The Art of the Eight Limbs", as the hands, shins, elbows, and knees are all used extensively in this art. A practitioner of Muay Thai ("nak muay") thus has the ability to execute strikes using eight "points of contact," as opposed to "two points" (fists) in Western boxing and "four points" (fists, feet) used in the primarily sport-oriented forms of martial arts.

Akaal Muay Thai

Seva

Akaal Muay Thai was set up with the concept of Seva. Our amazing trainers do not take a single penny for their efforts. They are happy in knowing that all students in Akaal Muay Thai are willing to learn and show willpower and determination. Not only that, but they are happy to donate all proceeds to charity. Other than the cost of the venue all your proceeds go to helping those in greater need then ourselves.

Our first mission was at the “UNIQUE HOME” Girls Orphanage in Jallandhur, all money raised was donated there.

Now we are working with Khalsa Aid and Sikh Prisoners charity, and all further proceeds will go to these charities. Please check out both charities that are doing great work voluntarily unlike other larger charities that are paid for their work.

Here at AKAAL MUAY THAI, we are very fortunate to be trained by instructors of the calibre and experience of such as KRU JAY (Jatinder Singh Dhillon), who have unparalleled knowledge in authentic Muay Thai. We have up to 5 Instructors per class, all whom teach voluntarily with a combined experience of fighting and learning of nearly 80 years!!

Gatka or Muay Thai ??

We firmly believe that weapons based training such as Gatka is essential for Sikhs (although Muay Thai does have a weapons based art – Krabi Krabong, this is for very advanced practitioners). This is why in Southall we have chosen Wednesdays so not to clash with the local Akharas whom we have close relations with.

However we also believe that hand to hand fighting is very important in the current climate, for example Shastars should only be used at the last resort, and sadly due to the poor physical and martial condition of many of us today, the Kirpan is likely to be the first resort. We aim to teach people to use the 8 weapons first (see above) they already possess before having to resort to the Siri Sahib.

Where and When

At the moment we have a weekly class on Wednesdays from 6.45pm to 9.00pm for £5 at Southall Community Centre, the same venue where the Baba Ajit Singh Ji Gatka Akhara holds their classes on Tuesdays from 7.00pm to 9.00pm.

Please support by showing up, just try it once and if it is not for you then that’s fine, we are aiming this at the Sikh community although all are welcome. Males and Females attend the class, but train separately from each other (same hall), the only restriction is that we do not wish to teach the wrong people i.e Thugs, hooligans groups who promote mindless violence. All students are vetted and we have a friendly family atmosphere.

Strict dress code: Round neck T-shirts and Joggers for Females and Round neck T-shirts and Joggers/Shorts for Males

For more info please contact: akaalmuaythai@googlemail.com

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Fire arms self defence r 1.shotgun 2 hand gun 357 caliber revolver is very good defensive weapon unlike pistols which have problem of bullet stucking and can be dangerous .3. .22 rifle even a kid can handle 4. the big bore rifle can be learned at later stage .Only taurus pistol of italy is the best among the category of pistols.One should also learn the use of firearms in india anti sikh fascists r like rss r organising daliy firing practises in punjab to even small boys and girls under 14.

there is only one Guru, the Guru Granth Sahib, and anyone claiming to be a Guru of the Sikhs will be dealt with accordingly, as has happened in Vienna

You are talking about endorsing murder. Do you know Paran Singh Ji, when will you leave the Pran and depart from this world. Btw, saints never claimed to be gurus, it is western media who have skewed everything through their lack of knoeledge.

Guru Granth Sahib is guru to sikhs but for us the supreme guru is Guru Ravidass.

Then why u take GURU GRANTH SHAIAB if u cannot show proper respect. Only selected verses of great bhagats which r related to ALMIGHTY is included in holy granth shiab, secondly phhyical form of GURU THE GURU PANTH in form OF PANJ PYRAS accompanies guru granth if any disrespect is shown to GURU GRANTH the GURU PANTH will be angry, it was sikh gurus only who gave respectable place to bhagats and low castes. But ur real enemy r not sikhs but the manuwadis who have used disgraceful words like sudra, chura ,chamar. not the gursikhs if a sikh discrminates on caste basis then he ceases to be a sikh. Ur leaders r playing into the hands of ur worst enemy the rss,bjp as they exploited tribals in gujarat, orissa againist muslims and chirstains. Even 1984 riots most of the rioters were from thelow caste settlements still sikhs forgave lowcastes knowing real culprits r manuwadi brahmanwadi thinking other wise sikh fighters were capable of inflicting hugh losses .furthermore it is bjp game to creat riots between sikhs and dalits in whicj they r succeeding by using dalits to show disrespect to holy granth and burning posters of martys posters u seem to ignore the fact during bhindrawale times it was their gurdwaras which used to give shelter and langar to poor people not the ur socalled bjp men who gave u humilating treatment. IF RIOTS AGAIN ERUPTS IN PUNJAP THE SIKHS WILL GIVE THE RIOTERS MOST SUITABLE TREATMENT.