JUSTAJATT

Simran is defined as to remember Vaheguru in Gurbani. Take a second and think about what Vaheguru is in your mind at this moment? Does a certain Shabad come to mind or is your mind trying to construct through it's own ability a form of Vaheguru, which your ego can accept and understand? If today I was to walk up to a seeker and tell him Vaheguru means a woman wearing a red suit, who is sitting on top of a mountain and eating nuts. Will this person be doing simran of Vaheguru? No! The seeker would be doing simran of a woman sitting on top of a mountain, dressed in a red suit, and eating nuts. When repeating Vaheguru for minutes or hours or days, what is the mind thinking of? Take for example the incident of almost getting into an accident. The common Sikh says Vaheguru in that moment out loud or in their mind. However what is he really thinking about as he says Vaheguru? In that moment the person is saying Vaheguru is my protector. Vaheguru protected me from getting into an accident. The person is remembering a quality of Vaheguru and is focused on this quality of Vaheguru for however long the person feels helpless in that moment. Is this not simran of Vaheguru? If it was, what technique did the person use? Did he have his eyes closed, legs crossed, hands in a certain position? I surely hope his eyes were open, feet close by the brake and race pedal, and his hands on the steering wheel. If not, we know why the accident would have been caused.

you just talkin the same old missionaarry rubbish that just argue about abiasees being parrots>>get outa here>>>

thought u was some holy clever clog know it all>>>but you just a M.I.D>>Missionyr In Disguise>>aka only 5 #

tell me what JAP and Nam JAP means ???

have you ever jap naam???>>>>>>>>>if so>>HOW??

Gurbani is the Naam. When reading or singing Gurbani we are able to connect to the divine, if we are focused on the Shabad. When repeating Vaheguru, your mind should be focused on the pure shabad.

We remember (do simran of) Vaheguru when we read Gurbani. If we do not remember Vaheguru through Gurbani we are lost in our ego. Gurbani tells us how to remember Vaheguru and exactly what Vaheguru is. Without this, we are lost and thinking something he is not. And you can do all the Vaheguru simran you want but your mind will not receive the peace of mind.

You Dont understand that the MIND is supposed to be japping In first place>>

Meditation in Sikhi is the next step to remembering Vaheguru; contemplation. The contemplation brings the mind to focus on what Gurbani is saying to you. Meditation on Vaheguru simran is also happening as your focus on the deep meaning of the word Vaheguru and bring your mind to provide the answers through the Shabad Guru.

even a dopey dufus like me know that MEDITATION IS NOT CONTEMPLATION>>>

MISSionaries say this same rubbish on spn forum

The purpose of closing the eyes and sitting in a quiet room is to help the person quiet the world around him and he really can focus on the Naam. We use a similar technique, when starting to learn about a topic and there is a test coming up for it in a couple of days. However those, who are well learned about the topic, do not need to quiet the world around them through sitting in quiet rooms and closing their eyes to focus. Try it right now. Pick a topic you really know about and go into a very noisy place. While in the noise, start thinking about the topic you are well versed in. You will have no problem contemplating over the topic and going into the deep subjects it covers.

In a similar manner we want to do this with Gurbani; become the lotus flower while maya is all around you. You can waste your time with breathing techniques, posture techniques, mudras, etc., but in this case we don't know when the exam time will end. By then it will be too late to ask for another test section.

What missioanry crap u yappin bout here??...>>

I aint no doc>>but i know dam well that training your BRAIN is Not same as MIND

BRAIN is NOT your MIND>>>or is that anotha thing missionaries rant about??

You sayin that LEARN topic>>then u can CONTEMPLATe>> then u be well versed and on gurus path??

you just sayin that to be HOLY you have to be educated like those dam hindu brahmins.

people not smart enuff or even ones that may not read but can at least jap and do simran are not invited>

You always be quoting bhagat dhana story for years>>>.so tell me smartie pants>> was bhagat well versed and contemplating Texts???

doesn't gurbani say something like even a donkey brain can become mukht by just japping GUNAs of GOD without knowing theory knowlege

This ever-radiant light/knowledge (Jagad jot) is already in all of us as jot roop our real self as enlightened self realized undivided spacious radiant unconditioned pure jagad (awakened/pure awareness). Seeker needs to stop identifying with conditioned mind thats done by initially by witnessing the thoughts only, in fact no need to stop mind thoughts as mind will automatically fall off, just simply abide in this pure jagad (awakened/pure awareness)- see through world as one in all, all in one- perceive everything manifest rising and subsiding as wave from your real self in real self- awakened-aware-jagad jot- pure ocean of awareness, thats all is required until grace dawns..everything will happen spontaneously and naturally... If you have deep impulse or drawn towards this vidhi you are quite lucky thats grace itself, if not its ok take the vidhi which you are more drawn towards under guidance of panj pyares. Everything is grace-introvert itself grace from satguru, perseverance is also grace from satguru, realisation is also grace from satguru

Your posts are usually too complex for me>>>>but i think here you saying that the jot be in all of us so we dont need to do much except witness it>>is that right??

Sorry mate>>I don't get that at all cuz I'm trying to FIND this Jot.?>>>cuz ive undastood thaat we have to find our own jot and waheguru in us first cuz it is covered and hidden by our minds filth.

Then>> only after we have found it>>can we go ahead and try to merge it >>joti jot milaai.

You knoww the drop in ocean>>>so the drop is our OWN inner light jot>>>and oviously god and all other jots are the ONE ocean!

No\t saying you wrong n30 dude>>>but you confusing the dopeys like me who understand the jot in jot>>atmaa in paramaatma>>drop in ocean>>SIMPLE

BUT WE GOTTA FIND THAT JOT BY HAMMERING THE FILTH COVERIN TH MIND BY USING NAAM SIMRAM

>>>>dONT KNOW ABOUT YOU>>BUT I CAN'T JUST SIT AND WITNESS BUT I'VE GOT TO MAKE A DAM EFFORT WITH THIS and I'M WORKIN ON IT HARD BRO>>>

And the beauty of naam simran, there are no technicalities of it- its not vidhi or naam dridh, so anyone can do it as there are no complexities as its remembrance you just honesty, earnestness, absolute desire for truth-naam and slowly truth will throb on you too unexpectedly by absolute truth-Ikongkar. We think as if ikongkar (truth) is dead and relative but truth is alive- HERE AND NOW, this absolute truth- bhramgyan is one in all, all in one- every much happening all the time here and now.

#SORRY BRO, >>>dont agree with this either >>cuz i thought i be doing simran without using some technique>>>donn this all me life man>>all i did was sin and paap>

same again>>>there be no sitting back witnessing for me >>>i'v gotta make the effort by using technique>>>

ONE THING I LEARNT WAS THAT MY DAM MIND IS MUCH CLEVERER AND SMARTER THAN I THOUGHT>>IT KEEPS FOOLIN MY EGO>>SO I GOTTA USE SIMRAN TECHNIQUES TO MASTER AND WN OVER IT DUDE>>>MANN JITHAI JAG JEET

No one likes me that much cuz i get abit aggressive >>especially when the nindaks and slaters start ranting at decent members

mostly agree with ones that have more awareness and i can tell theyve been out there in real world.>>>>guys like luckysingh99>Jonny101 >Jagsaw.>proactve

also N30Sngh does have lots answers but im not intelligent enuff to fully understand

hate the dudes that think they know answers>>but all they do is quote someone elses stuff and never explain or hear anyone else.

ain't those gora kirtanees >>""The Chardikala Jatha"" from same origins ???

I think they are marvellous and a pure positive

so jasvendera reckon its ok to keep it in family >>>>>>like the SUL#ay >?

what de hell going wrong with these people

either i'm just anova stupid jatt>>>>but where is the beadbi ??

anti-christ ???

these all some prophecies and what not>>>aint it>>>>>

I thought Hitler believed in some of this anti-christ prophecy>>>>which is why he wanted to wipe out jews cuz he thought it was them>>>??

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anyway this antichrist aint about christian or antichristian >>>>it's more about the opposing tyrants that would take over the world by wiping religion>>>thas why they called it anti-christ>>>>>

have a look around and smell the coffee bandayios>>>>>>its the god dam islam sul##ay that are bl##dy antichrist trying to wipe world

If hitler little mucchaan were round today>>>he would ave taken care of these su##lays

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I do not think there is any freewill. What we deem our free will ( discretion to make decision) directly depends on factors not under our control- our social conditioning since our birth, our sphere of knowledge,our family background, education limit our decisuin making skills

if there No FREE WILL>>>>>>then why me you in the Lakh chaurasi joons ??

it's our own doing and wrong wills that we be kept out of Liberate MUKHti >>>.......agree ??

kiwi jsinghnz said ...Sad to hear about your tightness and habit of buying Christmas gifts for your putt.

Funny thing is that your so anti-christmas trees because you as little kid>> got slapped up by your own mum cuz you be asking for christmas presents as rest of the kids at school played with theirs all thru holiday.

>>>then you grew up as rebel wanting to express your own oppressed and bashed up childhood>>>so you go round bullying others who give their own kids presents>>>> you like the GRINCH thing with one ugly green kiwi face

Pity your not going to school and making a clown of yourself everywhere with your broken coconut expression.

What school you been to kiwi munch ??

Your coconut is completely upright whilst you make a clown of sikhi with your nazi khaliban idealogies.

What jews have in common with sikhs???????>>>>>

ans>>>>>>>Big noses>>> :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

cuz hes not a news caster>>>he teaches basics of sikhi for all yous>>>>

So you go looking for Gurmat in the bible? Nice, very nice.

whos ignorant then ?>>>the one who can see or the kiwi that be blind ?>>>??

some pathetic geazas on here man>>>>>>>>>

depends brother if you naam di kheti or not :happy2:

I know>>>

I do jap as much as possible after learnin some techniques from older sikhs>>>>>>problem is that if I miss simran naam jap for just 1 day>>then the angry jatt krodh just kicks in without notice>>>>>>i'm tryin>>and tryin>>and tryin>>>

waheguru>>

Jatt sahib you are the greatest. You have so many virtues i cannot describe them all.

yeh man>>>no need 2 give me more ego>>>i have enuff problem controlin my krodh and random slappin<<

Great to know that you started rehat but did someone not tell you that after following rehat you are not justajatt anymore but a real man now.

callin meself jatt is my own problem and my weakness>>>>

At least i'm man enuff to admit my problem>>..my other weakness is krodh>>but i try>i try>>>and im tryin>>>

is forum about 1>2>1 talk ??>>>>>>>whats sangat kiwi??>>>>\

my name is my problem not yours>>

good on ya >>>kiddo>>>>

at least ya thought about it and gave it some dhyaan>

my turning point came when we started rehat and my missus said that there aint no turkey allowed>>>> :stupidme: :wow:

I thought>>>well wots the point with all the rest then>> :excited:

groom needs a good slappin>>>since he says my boyz knew wot to do>>>>>>>

thenu meh daasdaah>>>dekh mera gadaaasah

why singhstation dissin the film >>>??

do we care who made it or the poiltics of film industry/>>>??

I couldant give a hoots>>>>>but young kids did some serious learnin by watching this film>>>thas ALL that matters in my eyez>>>not who's gettin the credits and wheres the ^ddosh>>>>

some warped thinkin singhs on here matey>>>>>>>

LOL....in such scenarios you need to wear body amour because you never know when a robber will carry a gun. So start showering with body amour on. LOL Your kirpan will not be able to defend against a 9mm pistol in the shower. I can't even believe you are going to such ridiculous lengths to justify something that can't be justified. If you are such a hot target keep the kirpan close by in the bathroom and pull some matrix moves of stopping bullets with a thin blade.

Btw, do you wear the 3 foot kirpan given to us by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji in the shower and everywhere else you go? You want to stay "true" to the original concept of kirpan then where the 3 foot long kirpan. Not the 9 inch or 3 inch kirpan.

U patit if u dont have3 ft>>>??

chill geaza.>>> can tell u dont do no jap>>just go around slating others>>>plonka

Just read all the replies on this thread.

If nothing else, at least we now know who, among us, has homosexual tendancies.

yeh Singh !

can see the fauj akali is the other bus>>>>batting for the opposition>>>>>>>> :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

A sikh who has not taken amrit also can become patit. Any Sikh who cuts hair is a patit.

Clearly she cuts hair to fit in with the western mindset.

wot u yappin on about ??

u sayin that a kid born in family that aint amritdhari is a patit at birth ???>>>>>>>

makin your own god dam rules...........banana

so anyone who aint done amrit is automatically a FALLEN sikh ie..PATIT ???>>>>...plonka!

That's what it means to you. I was asking luckysingh99

we got anova banana>>>>>>khelaa>>>>

same old plonka with a new id......think we daint know>>

what planet you on kiwi ?

Let's just live in denial>>>that punjabis with singh in their names have drink problems >>>>>???????

pathetic