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IF YOU DONT QUESTION, THEN YOU CANNOT LEARN & FULLY UNDERSTAND. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IF YOU WANT TO KNOW...ITS SOMETHING CALLED CURIOSITY...SOMETHING GOD GAVE US ALL.

i would ask god:

can you give me a ferrari?

this probs is a bit of a serious thing im about 2 say! i ddint wana spoil da fun but..

Y WOULD U QUESTION GOD? WE SHOULD BE PLEASE WITH WHATEVER GOD HAS GIVEN US!

WHAT EVER GOD DOES GOES!SIMPLE AS!LOL!

WERE IN NO POSITION 2 QUESTION!

sorry 4 da seriousness! im not normally serious! ahhh

guru da langar is guru da langar, it doesnt matter if it is chips and beans or dhal and roti...it is still guru ji's

it was a joke...so funny...so true...chakde

fair enough...he has got $4000. Chakde. This is the world we live in and i think you should take advantage of what you can get, especially if something like that happens. There is nothing wrong with that. It is the police guys fault. He could even donate some money to charity (though doubt he would...lol)

i agree with you totally....i am a mona, but i still have common sense not to go out clubbin, or getting drunk, etc. :D

Just wanna say

If you were seen with a theif doing a robbery you also would be seen as a theif as you are in their company and are in the wrong place

Ppl saying they go to meet ppl and go clubing for a dance im sorry is a lame excuse and are not true gursikh inside and putting the khalsa roop to shame.

It is common sence it is wrong to go clubbing and thats it

You seem to be stuck on whether you should get married or have a girlfriend. Its pretty obvious you want to be with someone. So i think you should just get married. You have waited this long, do not ruin it by dating. Dont worry about that you have not attracted any chick to be your girlfriend. It is good you havent had a girlfriend. And i am sure you will be able to find someone. Be positive. And remember it isnt all about looks, fair enough you want someone decent, but things like being a caring, respectful, and nice person are probably more important. Why dont you tell your parents to find you a kuri?? or upload a profile onto say www.shaadi.com or some other site like that. You should get married, you are 23...lol...thats my view anyway...just relax, you will be fine.

thats how I feel it wouldnt digust me I just wouldnt marry her and it could only go as far as friendship BUT if the shoe was on the other foot and i had been with other women then i can expect to a marry a woman who has waited...........thats the thing now im 23 i dont know if i should wait until marriage OR start to get into the whole dating thing PLUS i have another fear which is that if i have never been able to attract a woman to be my girlfriend how am I going to attract someone to be my wife :D im confused need help..............

yeh it is JustME :D

It would totally disgust me and i would never marry a girl who has had a relationship before. There is nothing disrespectful, ignorant or rude about that.

yeah of course that is DEFINATLY NOT RUDE OR DISRESPECTFUL

thanks for that

ok basically the pictures aren't wrong.. they represent our gurus.. not saying they are our gurus but they represent them in terms of its a way of parchaar..

say im walking down the gurdwara and i see a pic of a shaheed or a guru or something then i'll ask my dad who that is n he can tell me.. if the pic wasn't there i prolly wouldn't have asked in the first place..

our gurus could have taken any body so their particular body didn't really matter but paintings and pics are to represent certain acts they did such as like the pic of Guru Nanak doing Sacha Sauda.. we see it n we get an idea of history.. like what happened, n how it happened.. once again if we find it interesting we ask someone whats going on.. if it wasn't there we prolly wouldn't have asked

as well.. its easier to memorize or "love" something when u can physically see it.. which is why its so easy to love our son/daughters/wives/husbands/families/friends .. yet its so hard to love vaheguru because "we can't see him" .. he's everywhere yet we're so ignorant that we CHOOSE not to see him.. so the pics just kinda give us an idea of ok our gurus were this mehamaan u know..

plus (i know i've sed this before but still) a love loves every aspect of his guru, mental, physical, soul, everything.. a lover aint gonna say oh i love this part about u but i dont care about the rest.. a true lover loves the guru in whole, from head to toe including the inside.

as far as respecting the pics, yes i do it.. it reminds me and gets me thinking of my guru again, so i respect anything that does that, even a person.. dont preform rituals on the pics such as aarti n stuff, just respect the pics n use it as a reminder of ur guru is always with u and watching u.. n as far as the caldendars go.. i say its a good thing that people dont throw the pics in the garbage.. i mean i doubt they're doing it cuz their afraid of rituals or bad luck.. its just satkaar.. its something that helps u in sikhi, have some respect.. burn it or something.. do proper satkaar.. its is wat "we deem to be" our guru's body

I, myself couldn't stand marrying someone who has been with other men. There is nothing offensive about that. Why should you take offense of other people's choices in life, especially when their is nothing wrong about those choices. It would totally disgust me and i would never marry a girl who has had a relationship before. There is nothing disrespectful, ignorant or rude about that. You may not agree, fair enough but to say it is disrespectful and rude is going to far.

NOTE: This is not intended to offend anyone. This is my personal view. :D

i see someone showing his arse...lol

i cant be bothered searching, just like you cant be bothered writing a few lines and being helpful. :D

there are other places you can meet. Meeting in a club is just stupid. Everyone is just becoming westernized and the values and culture is disappearing. Soon it will be okay to go to strip clubs, etc, etc. It slowly keeps going further. Thats my view anyway.

If you cant enjoy, meet new people without going to a club...shame on you.

yeh i have heard that it is wrong to idolize their pictures.

Also are pics of the guru's allowed in the gurdwara? coz many gurdwara have the pics. I heard it shouldnt be allowed?? anyone know???

i am not trying to offend you or anyone else, i am just expressing my view.

Before there were very few people that would do stupid things, and if you look now, it is increasing so dramatically. If your saying that most of your friends don't drink fair enough. But if you did a poll on the amount of people that drink/do drugs it is substantially more than people who don't. I said there are exceptions and said majority not ALL,and you will have different opinions than me, as we have been brought up differently.

Here is an article from a survey regarding Australians. by the way it was in 2002, and i think it can be only worse now.

"In 2002, Roy Morgan Research conducted an Alcohol Awareness Survey for the Salvation Army.

The key findings were reported as:

* Binge drinking for both young males and females is significant with 35 percent of teenage males admitting to drinking in one day during the last month between 11 and 30 alcoholic drinks and 22 percent of teenage females drinking between 9 and 30 drinks.

* 63 percent of young people have had their first drink by the age of fourteen – 14 percent by the age of 11 years.

* People under 24 years state their reason for drinking as “to fit in on social occasions”. More women than men drink to fit in on social occasions and more men than women drink “to relax”."

14% have drinks before they are 11, and 63% by 14. You can hardly blame the kids, they follow their friends or do what they want to do or how they have been brought up. If a kid drinks before the age of 14, i would say that the parent has not taught (and in my view cared) enough. Kids wouldn't know much about how harmful it is or what it can do. Now who would you blame. Who's fault is it that kids are drinking by that age. Kids or Parents? If the kids have been brought up in a good environment, with certain values and beliefs, then obviously like yourself, they probably wont drink. But i am not saying that they are bad people because they drink. But it significantly increases the chance of being a bad person. And there are statistics to show that 50% of teenagers have had sex before they have graduated from high school. I believe that this also is a parents fault, as they have no "cared/taught" there children ENOUGH. And this is spreading to the kids who are brought up in western countries, but have Indian parents. They too are doing the sames things to fit in socially.. And i think it is because the parents do not look after their kids as they used to. I AM NOT SAYING THAT ITS EVERYONE, BUT A MAJORITY THAT IS INCREASING.

"If you look at the majority of parents, i dont think they really realize the importance of being a parent and pretty much do as much as western parents do for their kids."

Excuse me? ----- Does this imply that western parents don't do much for their kids? I'm sorry to say, but that's a very bad "stereotype" to be applying there, and it has no place on a Sikh forum (who regard all as equals).

I didn't say western parent don't do much for their kids. You implied that yourself. i just said Indian parents these days do not realize the importance of being a parent as they ONCE did, and are slowly becoming westerners as they move to western countries, they are forgetting their beliefs, values and culture. Most of the people on this forum are the opposite, but it is a minority when compared to the Punjabi/Sikh families that have moved to western countries.

Check out how the western countries are running. USA invaded Afghanistan, which was fair(maybe, there are documentaries saying how the US government set up September 9/11 attacks...who knows). Then they invaded Iraq, which has already killed tens of thousands of people and was unjust. The country spends (i do not want to know how many) billions of dollars. Yet look at all the homeless people in the USA. They could of helped them, instead with that money. Help those who suffer, instead of making more suffer. People move to western countries to have a better standard of living compared to say India for example. But that does not mean the Governments are run well. They are just run better (much better) than those in eastern countries. But they to are corrupt to an extent.

I agree they are loads of positive people out their who help others (which i think is awesome) but i still think that number is decreasing. I believe that to improve you have to focus on the negatives. To learn from your mistakes and from other peoples mistakes. Many people are like i do this good thing and that good thing, so i am a good person and leave it at that. But to better yourself, you have to focus on the negatives, realize what they are, and how you can improve and then actually do it. Even the best of people can improve.

Going into clubs has got nothing to do with about being weak/strong, its just that it is not a suitable place. And those people with kesh, amrit dharis that do go they probably think they are cool or something, you should let them know, that its disgraceful that they do those kinds of things (in a nice way i mean..i just dont have that good vocab...lol). Even if it is a friends bday or whatever, WHAT KIND OF PLACE IS A CLUB TO CELEBRATE THE BDAY. THat is shameful, spend it with your family and friends at home or at a decent place at least. What kind of friend are they who invite you to the club for their bday. And what kind of person are you if you attend. Thats my view anyway.

Just becuase other sikhs date, does not mean you should. if you really want a relationship and be with someone, definitely tell your parents you want to get married and get married. That will pretty much solve the problem. Dating is not something cool or to be proud of and veing 23 years old you should denifitely know that my now. Good luck anyways.

offcourse everyone is equal, but that has got nothing to do with how much they do for their kids. Some people work harder, some people less, that does not mean they are not equal. There parents do not mind if they drink/smoke at a young age, go partying, definitely have a girlfriend/boyfriend, practically westerner parents are saying that YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT BECAUSE IT IS YOUR LIFE. And jsut look at the relationships between the parents and their kids. They move out (which is fair enough, depending on the circumstances), they might visit them now and again. But they do not really look after their parents, do they? when they are about 70 and cannot look after themselves properly they put them into nursing homes, as they are to BUSY to look after them. They take the easy option. I wouldnt say they are perfect. And that does not mean we are perfect either. far from it.

Offcourse the parents do stuff for their kids, because kids cannot look after themselves. Giving kids food, clothes, and love, that would be expected from any parent. Even poor people, do as much as they can for their kids. But after the kids grow up, how much do they care about there parents, and how much do the parents do for the kids. I agree some do, but the majority do not. My baba ji worked till just before 70, not for HIMSELF, but for the family. How many gore would do that, fair enough they would work, but would they work for their family, their kids, i dont think so. There is a massive difference between easterners and westerner parents, both have their advantages/disadvantages but i believe that the relationship between punjabi say son/father etc is much more then westerners. BUt many of us are becoming just like westerners if not worse.

You cannot blame violence and crime, before looking at WHY that has increased. Why do kids at the age of 14 go out at midnight to do graffiti, wag classes at high school to have a smoke, take knvies to school. It is all because the parents do not look after there kids enough. And that is the around the most important age you have to look after the kids. Becuase they do not know what is wrong/right and listen to friends, learn from tv/movies. Offcourse these things will effect the children, BUT IT IS THE PARENTS JOB TO PUT THEM ON TRACK AND TEACH THEM, and that is where i believe many parents fail. But it depends on your family's values and how you are brought up. A lot of movies have good messages in them, and a lot do not. It depends what each learns from a film. I enjoy watching films and no doubt most people would. When i see a film, some things i think are completely stupid, and others you can see the importance of family, love, friendship, etc. It depends what you take away from the film. Even from the bad films, you may not take anything away, but you could of just had a really good laugh, nothing wrong with it. And if the parents show children movies with say for example half naked girls when they are 13, whose fault is it? parents or kids. My dad dreamt of having a big house, nice cars, etc, BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, if you also look after your kids and follow god's path. If you work hard enough and achieve it, then you pretty much deserve it. There is always going to be exceptions, but parents play the biggest role in what kind of person the kid becomes.

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If you look at the majority of parents, i dont think they really realize the importance of being a parent and pretty much do as much as

western

parents do for their kids.

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Excuse me? ----- Does this imply that western parents don't do much for their kids? I'm sorry to say, but that's a very bad "stereotype" to be applying there, and it has no place on a Sikh forum (who regard all as equals).

I know TONS of "perfect" families in the Western World. Parents who LOVE their kids to death, who help them with their homework, and make them a good 3 meals a day, who give them good clothes and a nurturing environment to allow them to grow with peace of mind, security, love, affection, and closeness among parents and children.

But, as many have already noted here; the children have a FREEWILL too. Sure, family environment can play a role, but I have seen those "perfect" family children becoming bad, and I've also seen children from broken druggie homes becoming scholars and very proper people. Kids/Teens/Young Adults, eventually make their own choices (and yes, listen to peers more too) in what they are going to do with their lives.

If you want to blame something; Blame all the hollywood or even bollywood films with all the half-naked girls dancing around, full of violence, crime and bad influence. Blame the changes in societies (west and east... cause I've heard some pretty bad stuff on both sides) that SOME parents (IE: NOT ALL) are not giving enough time to their children because they are too busy working for their big house and dream cars and MAYA. Blame people who model violence in their homes through spousal abuse. Blame lazy people who don't want to spend time with their kids, to listen to their trials and tribulations. And Finally, Blame ourselves for not being good role models to all those kids out there.

So, Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

Forgive me for anything bad.

All kids to shrarta, and that is a part of growing up. But there is a huge difference in what was dont say 30 years ago and what is done now. 30 years ago, would punjabi kids go out clubbing, would they get addicted to alcohol at like the age of 15, would they have girlfriends/boyfriends. Hardly anyone and look today. Have a look at general teenagers these days and just look at their attitude.This is not just with punjabis but with westerners aswell. Ask any westerner about what they think of the kids of today? There is a huge difference. Its all in how you bring your kids up. The kid offcourse is going to make mistakes on the way, do stupid things, but if they have been brought up well then it will show when they are older, and if they havent been brought up well, that will also show, like it is showing in the world today.

Hold up here...I disagree....It's easier to say "What's wrong with kids these days?"...rather than accept that everyone is like this when they are kids...I remember when I was a kid and how i used to do Shrarta and get punished for it and then do it again LOL

The generation before us....our parents were just as rebellious when they were growing up in their teens and early adulthood age...I don't know on what basis anyone is saying that children are ruder now than they were in the past. It's a part of growing up people, everyone is a child once and learns only by making mistakes and through guidance.

And our parents didn't go to Sikhi camps or anything and they probably didn't get any "talks" (they just got smacked lol)....they learnt everything from School (Khalsa schools etc.)...but nowadays in abroad (and in Punjab) we aren't taught Sikhi in schools so it should be a credit to those of us who go out of there way to learn about Sikhi and go to the weekend Sikhi classes and Sikhi camps.

I agree that times are changing, people have less time for family, etc. but still lets be realistic when making such statements as "the children are so ignorant and have attitude problems". THEY'RE CHILDREN...teach our younger generation about our Great Gurus, our Shaheeds, and Guru Ji's Gurbani :WW: ....with Waheguru's kirpa they will sooner or later begin to realize the Sikhi way of life. :T:

Bhul Chuk Di Mafi

WJKK WJKF

offcourse they are, but if the parents do not teach the kids at a young age, the kids do what they want by looking at the tv, listening to friends. Not that there is anything wrong with those things, but it is easy to learn bad things from them. Some kids go on the computer and they think "mera munda/kuri computer te parde hai". Why do kids these days get drunk when there 15, go out and party around that same age. Its all because the parents do not know what the kids get upto or dont really care(they are getting into the western parents attitude). Its happening so fast, the world is changing and its easy to see that nearly everything is turning from bad to worse.

as kids get more and more freedom, they are learning more from outside sources, tv, music, school, friends etc.... than parents.

think about that before you start passing the blame onto others.

Then any parents with a brain will try and inoculate their children from some of the negative stuff unless they don't have a clue about what goes on out there, which is not unusual.

is it the childrens fault that they are so rude, and direspectful these days? Its obvious that in the world today the children are so ignorant and have attitude problems. But is it their fault. I dont think so. I think the blame should be on the parents. Because they do not bring up their kids well. They dont take enough care of them, do not see what they get up to, are not strict enough and do not communicate and spend enough time with them. Not all parents, but most. If you look at the majority of parents, i dont think they really realize the importance of being a parent and pretty much do as much as western parents do for their kids. And being children the kids (as they do not really know what is wrong and right at that time make mistakes and go with bad company). And after you fall into a habit, it is hard to get out of it. So i personally think that it is more a parents fault, not the kids.

Fair enough that they are not doing the right thing. But does that mean that they are not sikhs. Offcourse they wont be amrit dhari, but still they have the right to be called a sikh. It seems like you think you are above them. it doesnt matter if you have taken amrit or not, all people are equal.

i went to the opticians today and saw a singh who had a dastaar but had no dhari and i thought he looked REALY WIERD man.......................i mean why do it? :D

its like having a dhari but not keep kesh.............

wot do u guys think?

1.I find it quite INSULTING that you refer to such people as "SINGH".BHai Taru SIngh had to sacrifice his khopree to not have his hair removed.He was a true SIngh of Guru Gobind SIngh Sahib Maharaj.How can you classify such people as Singhs then?

2.Whatever breed of humans they are, they are not Sikhs neither are they singh's of Dasam Pita jee.

what is mamnat???

lol

shopping is mamnat :closedeyes:

yup :D

Try to make a proper routine. You should wake up early, do paath, do some physical exercise. It will make you tired(depends on how hard you do it) and by the end of the day you should be buggered and will fall asleep easily like before 10pm. Be strong and have no fear, do simran. I have found that when i think of good things before i go to sleep, i dream of them. Clear your mind from being scared, etc and think of positive things. It works for me.