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  1. In the uk we have Ramgharia gurdwaras, in some places ther are called Ramgharia sabha! However, I think most gurdwaras and even sikhs calling themselves "Ramgharia" are scamming us as they have weak or no connections to Ramgharia misl, and are just using the fact that they are tarkhans they can use the Ramgharia term because Jassa Singh Ramgharia was from tarkhan background. Please prove me wrong! Also, I have been observing gurdwaras since I was young. I remember when I was a child in the 80s and 90s, Singh Sabha gurdwaras still allowed shoes and langar was eaten on tables, in the times when the adults used to work all the time, doing double shifts etc. However in the 2000s we can see a change in Singh Sabha gurdwaras as well as some other gurdwaras, where shoes are no longer allowed, and we have a lot of space to sit on the floor and do pangat in langar. It's really strange to see so many tables in gurdwaras after seeing langar done exclusivily on the floor gurdwaras in Panjab and India. Just look at Harimandir Sahib, 4 takht, and many other gurdwaras back home. Now, across London, Slough and Berkshire, midlands, I have noticed Ramgharia gurdwaras allow shoes into langar and have little or no accommodation for sitting on the floor. It is bizarre to see in Ramgharia gurdwaras, the sangat coming from doing sangat or matha tek in divan hall, and then putting on their shoes to go to langar. Like we are going to a restaurant or something! What is this, is it some kind of kenya/east africa sikh colonial army era tradition to keep doing this, even after the other gurdwaras have moved back to giving satkar and respect for langar maryada? Then we come to the scam, in the Ramgharia gurdwaras, there seems to be more links to East Africa sikhs than Ramgharia misl. There are more trim Singhs with Kenya paghs on Ramgharia gurdwara committees compared to more sabat surat Singhs on Singh sabha committees, from my observations in these England regions. You will find more kenya pagh and trim or fixo darhi, than bana walay Singh in these gurdwaras, again the Ramgharia label is scamming us, as Ramgharia is used for sabat soorat Singhs from the misl, especially those tuned to bana (and open beard is part of bana). Also, I have listened to Rehraas Sahib in some Ramgharia gurdwaras, and they read the disfigured bhasauria SGPC style of Chaupai Sahib (such as the way performed at Harimandir Sahib the past 100 years), skipping arril and the last lines of kabyo baach benti, which makes them more like a Singh Sabha gurdwara and far removed from being Ramgharia due to having similar disrespect towarda bani as Singh sabha gurdwaras, as Ramgharia misl would respect dasam bani and read the full kabyo baach benti. So the langar thing is bizarre, and now I think of it it's disrespectful. And the use of Ramgharia sikhs and Ramgharia gurdwaras term is a scam as they are anything but, as there is so much disrespect to be associated with the practices of Ramgharia misl! Even the fact they celebrate Maharaja Jassa Singh Ramgharia's birthday doesn't allow them any forgiveness or courtesy! This goes double for the Slough Ramgharia Singh Sabha, as they have a statue of Jassa Singh Ramgharia, and yet are their actions related to actual Ramgharia? Yeh, let's not fall for the scam! and sikhs that are sangat in those gurdwaras, really need to step up and get in those committees and change things for chardi kala! We need to see more chardikala Singhs running things, not trim Singhs and fixo Singhs!
  2. Ssa g , My boyfriend is ramgharia sikh (age 28) and i m jatt sikh ( age 27) and we are in 4 years of relationship. We are very much compatible to each other. He is in india, in IT field earning gud salary. Doesnt eat meat or drink and is in sikhi with beard and kesh. I m living in canada and i m also in IT field. I have been trying to convince my parents from a long tim now but they are not ready to accept because of caste issue. My parents feel they will be disgraced in society and what people will say that instead of going upward you are letting your daughter mary in a lower caste. His family is very coperative and have tried every single way to convince my parents. On my parents visit to india they (his family) infact tried to meet and talk to my parents. But all in vain. They than tried to go directly to meet my parents but my parents didnt opn the door. I tried to convince my parents as well by say just gp and see them once and then make a decision but they arent agreeing to it. Finally i told them that i dont wana live with them, then came back and said ok we will talk to my eldest sis and bro in law who by now have no clue about all this. I know my family and i know its a trap for me. My bro in law is strict and no one likes him in my family but anyway they wana ask him. On the other side my boy friends family is all set to welcome me and fix my wedding. They have asked their relatives if they have any issue with this matter and plus if i go there without my family supporting me. I m in this pressure where morally i dont like the idea of eloping and getting married. I always wanted this to happen with my parents consent which doesnt seem to be happening. I told to chose him or ny family. If i chose him i will be happy but my parents may not be able to accept it. If i chose my family, i had to live with regret throughtout my life and it will be too shocking for his family abd relatives who supported me from last 2 yrs. Can you please help me what should i do. I love my parents and i love him too. He is one of a kind. Please help me as this pressure is killing me day by day.
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