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I think chadar dalni was/is a simple Anand Karaj, maybe still practiced by Nihang Singhs. It was something Maharaja Ranjit Singh practiced as well, but I think this is mostly for marrying widows!

I kinda understood that, can you post in gurmukhi? Is he question if dasam patshah did jhatka on Vaisakhi, or just generally if guru sahib practiced jhatka? Because the Singhs definetly did jhatka of dushman/enemies!

would hate for Nihang Singhs have grown this time due to them practicing jhatka maryada and shikaar? In my family pends around Jalandhar Kartarpur, there was much negativity towards Nihang Singhs

@Sukhsingh96 You want to marry someone without exes, and I mean no ex boyfriend and no ex husband. So looking for a virgin is not enough. Otherwise your life will become damaged after marriage, if you pick an ex who claims to be a virgin! You need to look for early 20s. You need someone who is looking for a husband as opposed to a boyfriend, a woman with standards! A woman making boyfriends is not serious enough for marriage, and has low standards! You need to make the woman you are marrying understand that she will be treated as a wife, not a girlfriend. She needs to understand that if her standard is to only look for a boyfriend, then she is just not serious enough for you, as she is not serious enough for marriage. In sikhi, women are treated equally, and in 52 hukamnamas of Guru Gobind Singh, Anand ceremony is required to start grihast jeevan. Non-marital partners are acceptable in abrahamic traditions/religions such as concubines and slave girls; girlfriend is a modern type of non-marital partner, and in sikhi we do not bring women down to that level! Also when did you start looking for a wife? We are having so many issues because we start looking for partners so late! Which subreddit did you post this to? I can speak to the admin if you posted it to r/Sikh !

no excuses, but these days people are getting married at stupidly older ages. And a lot of teens, 20s and students have no control of their vikaar panj chor, and they end up in these stupid trash girlfriend boyfriend partnerships instead of anand karaj or marriage! They are really stupid in not getting married. Some people NEED to be married in their teens or by the time they reach 20! Although even 20 is too old for many people, they already have baggage by then, and some also have out of wedlock kids and abortions! The biggest hypocrisy I used to see growing up was teens saying they are too young to get married, yet they used to make partners anyway through "dating" bakwass trash garbage! We need to change our mentality, and youngsters need to be explained to seriously that they should only be looking for marital partners, and not down this spiral! this stuff is happening more and more because of looking for partners so LATE: Remember, at Guru jis' times the parents used to even start looking for future partners in the childrens' pre-teens, and this includes Guru jis. There is no excuses in starting to look for your childrens' partners in their 20s only! We are so ill-prepared, and so mentally ill-equipped. Late marriages are also causing more sikhs to cut hair kesh and beard, and drinking and drug issues as well as smoking and hookah etc. There is less focus on grihast jeevan and more focus on depression, desires and pleasure. We are also having less children, and too big age gaps between generations. Our Singh families should be having more children, and less gaps between ages. Need more Singhs to protect families and the panth, too many attackers on every side!

I feel gurdwaras are maybe somewhat getting back to their functions as dharmsalas containing schools and learning centres. With panjabi schools, gurmat classes, santhiya, martial arts, keertan training, with sikhi camps occasionally in towns, there is somewhat some functions connected to traditional gurdwaras of the past.

there's too many Kenya Singhs in those kinda gurdwaras, really chummy chummy with the goras and politicians, fixo the beards to the max and younger generations just trimming it instead of getting into the fixo malarkey, lack of open beards and turbans you can take off like hats, don't make for intimidating or annakhi singhs. I heard that pakistanis try to pickup girls from the Slough Ramgharia gurdwara. They need to join with the other 2 gurdwaras in Slough to help them out, they can't act like the elders did where they split from the Singh Sabha gurdwara because they were too aggressive, now is the time to use that aggression. And the Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara Bath Road gets nationwide sangat on Sundays, so just use those numbers in Slough! in these gurdwaras, gyanis and sewadaars are known by the regular sangat, and regular sangat is close knit. Activities and panjabi schools are also good as most of the same children come. In both areas, I don't like the lack of cooperation between Ramgharia and Singh Sabha gurdwaras. Overall it's a benefit to have gurdwaras in at least 2 different locations in big towns and cities. But it's bad if they don't cooperate, especially in major issues that Khalsa is known for. Ramgharia gurdwaras like to rep up Maharaja Jassa Singh Ramgharia, with the Slough gurdwara even having a statue. But the lack of keeping Khalsa rehit, looking too scared and cowardly to keep full beards or open beards, not acknowledging the Khalsa Nihang Singh mentality of Jassa Singh and being stuck in the kenya Singh mentality, not even willing to read Chaupai Sahib properly during Rehras, and many of these Ramgharia gurdwaras are not even willing to keep basic rehit of allowing sitting on the floor for langar and allowing shoes inside as well, all these behaviours aren't working for chardi kala of the panth! It's like they are trying to keep their own type of sikhi, it's not even a tradition, just being stuck in their own box, they are not in the colonial British army, or serving in the world wars, or making train tracks or some other jobs for the gora, why do they behave this way, this archaic stuff in gurdwara? And doesn't do justice to Jassa Singh Ramgharia, who would have been a rehitee Nihang Singh, annakhi Singhs who defeated the enemies and kept in the brotherhood of the Khalsa with the other misls, even after their whole misl was excommunicated expelled from the panth, they still rejoined the Khalsa and helped defeat the enemies! I don't see them trying to integrate with the rest of the panth in the ramgharia gurdwaras, not like Jassa Singh, obviously it's the elders who instil these mentalities, with some of the youngsters trying to connect back into sikhi!

it's called formality. I think I read that baba ji did this so they could continue doing sewa. I think even Maharaja Ranjeet Singh went peshi to Akali Phoola Singh as a formality to look good in front of the people. Regardless, Phoola Singh Akali was much more rehitvaan than any current "jathedaars"

why not send them to khalsa school? Also are they going to panjabi school on Sundays? Osterley has a really good school for sikhs called Nishkam school! I have moved just outside of North Bucks in Northamptonshire. They have even taken over the commercial restaurants all the way up here, 2 halal Taco Bells, halal KFC, and their regular nationwide stuff like Tim Hortons, Popeyes, Pizza Express etc who knows what else! But there's a sikh stronghold nearby in Coventry, so many gurdwaras there, at least 6-8 gurdwaras. there are Only 3 gurdwaras to cover all of Northamptonshire county, and 2 are in the main town! Also Milton Keynes city in North Bucks only seems to have 2 gurdwaras. The Ramgharia gurdwara has regular sangat, but the other gurdwara run by MK sikh society, seems to mainly only have Sunday Sangat, which is a trend in isolated areas, it's the same for Northamptonshire gurdwaras unless there's a special programme, event, gurpurb etc.

he should get stronger in rehit and do bhog of everything he eats, especially maas. Isn't Buddha Dal rehit to do bhog of every food? please Read the history about when Guru Gobind Singh was dressed as uch ka pir, and his Singhs were dressed as mureed, and the sikhs came upon the situation where they were offer halal maas!

yes this one has been bought up by Bhai Mohan Singh, he has shown videos of questioning this person and even family

yes and after that, think about why you are engaged for so long, instead of getting anand karaj?

The Hajoor Sahib Singhs married were originally Nihang Singhs who married hindu women, and some hindu women still marry them. sikhi is strong amongst them and they don't cut their hair at all! They still have strong connections to the current Nihang Singhs. They follow a maryada where the hindu women MUST take some kind of amrit pahul, this is usually kripaan pahul (maybe similar to jhoola amrit as well?) They are not given khanda pahul, those women are not ready. However they are given a type of amrit so that husband can consume food and drink from the wife. Obviously, this means that the wife has been initiated as sikh. For a Singh to be able to share food with wife, the wife needs to have been initiated at least into sikh panth. In puraatan times, Singhs were desired for marriage and alliances, so Shias also desired to marry their daughters to Singhs to build alliances. I have read in historical account that shia/muslim women were made to eat pork for 40 days (I think this was after marriage), I cannot remember if this is written in a rehitnama or just a historical account. For muslim men becoming Singhs, Nihang Singhs actually stirred in pigs' blood in khanda amrit pahul, just so that no spies pretended to take khanda pahul. This was at a time when the whole panth followed one panthic Budha Dal maryada! (please don't take this as a discussion about meat, just describing the steps sikhs used for hindu and muslim converts) In conclusion, the hindu woman must be initiated in some way, just like in Hajur Sahib even now!

it was more than acceptable for Singhs to have multiple wives, because Singhs are supposed to be kshatriya. There were also other common practices such as marrying your brothers' widow, and widow remarriage, marrying rescued women that are not accepted back by their families. Fighting wars required multiple wives, many sons,uncles, male family members would get shaheed, such as Bhai Mani Singhs' sons from both his wives, and his uncles during Guru Hargobind ji. Add this to higher mortality rates, people died younger, just look at the ages most Guru jis lived to, women had difficult giving birth, there were risks to women dying during birth, higher infant mortality rates, children were at much greater risk from dying from a childhood illness. All these factors compounded with wars, it made a lot of sense to marry multiple women! And during 1947, 1984 and the dharmi faujis of the 1990s, its still made a lot of sense to have multiple wives, but only if your family was going to be armed and trained! Compare this to sikhs and amrit dharis who have multiple girlfriends and exes, and don't get married until into their late 20s and 30s, we are behaving in a really pathetic non-warrior non kshatriya way! If you're making the excuse of not getting married because you are studying, and then you make a girlfriend or multiples during that time anyway, THEN Singhs should just get married, and all the excuses for not getting married are lame and bringing down the whole panth. I seriously stand by that statement!!!