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Hi Punjabi link; See who first says he want to leave this community.Look at your previous post. I have no interest in indian constitution, the only thing i accepts is Guru Granth Sahib, You are right i have not done anything, I will talk again when i have some worth. I am leaving this community and not post again, i have anakh and not like you. I will stand on my words. What other point do you want i recognise Guru granth sahib and you use Indian constitution, it itself portrays difference between a sikh and a patit. Bye bye friend; We will debate in coming years, Remember one thing; "Kesh Guru dee mohar hai". You never answer this "Sawat Surat raab Dee Bhandee Bayemaan" Did not find anything to answer????????????????????????????????? Regards Raaj karega Khalsa, aakee rahe na koi| Khwaar hoi sab milange, bache sharaan jo hoi|| Waheguru jee da khalsa| Waheguru jee dee fateh||

Sat Sri Akal; Please please say that you have source code for Pix firewall of Cisco. Regards.

Sat Sri Akal; You do a good debate, thats great but i am not finished it will be my last post in Sikh sangat, I like your view i have no right to say anything till we have done something worthfull for Sikhi. I will make myself worthfull. So here we starts. 1) Please follow this link http://www.khalistan-affairs.org/main/k_ca.../kc04182000.htm If it is wrong please send them mail informing them correct facts so that they do not spraed lies.It is our duty so that our brpthers find only truth. 2)The pessons who rebelled or leave indian barracks were of Sikh regiment. There are many hindus in the garb of Sikhs. Wearing turbon did not tell you are a sikh you should be sikh from your mind. learn how many Sikhs As Mr Simranjeet mann leave there posts and Khushwant singh leaves there post. There are thousands of more. Did any of your so called hindu having respect for sikhi have done so??? 3)I am wrong It was brar, so does this thing removes that Hindus distribute ladoos after Blue star. 4)Giani jail singh was most corrupt Sikh , but tell me whether President of India has the power to stop prime Minister. I hope you have get that much information.During Blue Star Giani jail singh was not able to save his relatives, so you must doubt his authority. 5)The attrociteis were not done by Sikh they were done by Punjabis, because a true sikh cannot do so after Akal takht was destroyed. the work was done by people who has no sikhi left in them. Do i have to say 1000 times even if you wear turbon, it is not that you are sikh. You should be sikh by your deeds also. 6)If 99 % of hindus living in punjab dont even have a clue whats sikhs refrence library, then still it is Hindustani govt that is not returning our Library.Mr George fernandis has said that Library is with Army, what other proof you want. 7)Is nothing in Hindu marriage Act objectionable. have u seen any sikh leader in parliament talking about it ???? Please name a single sikh in parliament, there is none, badal is one of biggest RSS supporter, he is so afraid of BJP, he will never talk. This act takes Sikhs as only a form of hinduism. 8)Is RSS a saviour of Sikhs. they are kattar hindus just like a kattar sikh i m replying to ... if they were born in sikh family they would have grown hindu haters ... no one has clue about god Sikhs are never Kattarpanthi give name of single sikh who has done any forced conversion or destroyed any religious place. If sikhs were kattarpanthi all of India would be converted to sikhism. There is no word as Sikh katter anywhere. Just give me one example of sikh doing forced conversion???? 9)Indian media always want to portray sikhs as terrorists and one with no intelligence. always ??? what about harayanvi and bhaiya and lale jokes .... any sikh from india reading how many verma sharma jokes he get in a day and how many santa banata jokes he get in a day ???? Dear brother jusy give me name of few films where there is comedy of Bhaiya done, only minorities are targeted, See badal and there are hundreds wher sikhs have been described as fools. 10)News are biased against Sikhs. they are also against hindus ask any hindu he would say same thing ... no one is or will be satisfied with news .... Have you heard news after sacha sauda, Sikhs who have done no wrong most of protests were peacefull were described as kattarpanthi and threat to national security. Gujjars in Gujrat who were destroying Public Property and killed ppolicemen were fighting for rights. Even an illetrate person can see the difference. 11)11)Gobind Ram who say he will kill all sikhs. WHO is he ???? lol Gobind ram was SSP near Ludhiana, he kills many sikhs, Says " A gobind has created sikhs, another Gobind will destroy them" 12) You know about Jeevan ram Dont you. 13)Read remarks of all Hindustani leaders Advani, Vajpayee during 1984 you will get answer to most of your questions. 14)Water is given to haryana and rajasthan. that water came from kashmir and himachal pradesh ... what if himchal pardesh govt has narrow thinking like u ???? do punjab produce its own water ???? Mau be in your life you have heard the word riperian law, that water belongs to only that states through which it flows. It is the fundamental law accepted throughout word. Due to this law water was not given to rajastan via narmada. So only Punjab should give water, its funny. Then why punjab has no right over coal of bihar and waters of ganga, yamuna etc. 15)Sikhs going to Asian games were mercilessly beaten in haryana. 1983 ... 2007 manager of olympic indian asscociation is a sikh ... stop living in past live in present that will make urs and kaums future bright The day you forget past you are history, Only those religions prosper which remember there past. So you mean during manu rule (mughal) sikhs should forget there past. so why not destroys the walls of fatehgarh sahib gurudwara. 16)congress govt Sonia gandhi gives cabinet Birth to Jagdish Tytler. he is thrown out of cabinet now wasnt he Your sonia Gandhi do not throw him out, It is when all the accused were given Clean chit by nanawati commission, there was dander to Congress Govt, and under influence of left she has to remove him. See he was reelected in Delhi, you can think what i mean to say. Second step. 1)How many Nihangs die at Blue star, I assume that when firing starts most of them ran away, this is your beer ras. lol ... khalsa doing nindeya just to prove his point ... then they wonder why is not panth in chardikalla ... nihungs have done and are doing enough ... work on u rather then others So this proves me right most of Nihangs ran away, Please specify names of Nihangs died in operation Bluestar. 2)Akal takht war recreated by jathedar of Budha dal, to remove all the symbols of attack; when there are symbols of jallianwalabagh preserved why not for blue Star. ok u want harimander sahib broken and bullets ... are u going their for bhakti and for blessing of guru ram das or for a picnic ???? You go to fatehgarh sahib Gurudwara for Bhakti then why there are still walls where sahibzadda were put into walls, Then you must also advocate to destroy it. You must have to preserve your history. Then Destroy all the symbols which depict sukh History as we want to do bhakti and if we remember our shaheeds it will be a sin. 3) Nihang Phoola is a center agent. i cannot kill him sorry to all sikhs. 4)many nihangs were agents of indian Govt. thats one damn funny one liner i have ever heard .... can u name any five ... a)Nihang Phoola and his group. b)Baba Santa Singh chief of Baba Budha Dal for recreating Akal takht on orders of center. Sorry no time to google, but assume followers of them too. Drug in any form is completely banned in Sikhism, yet nihangs have Sukha?????????????????????? the sukha nihungs make have 5 leafs of bhang which is far less nasha then equal coffee So Sukhs is equal to coffee, thats great i left to sangat to discuss this point. Whoever comes in center hates sikhs and will always try to weaken them. says who ???? why is indias second largest tech park is being made at chandigarh ???? First get Chandigarh as a part of Punjab, then we will consider yor point. Hindustan hates sikhs and if you dont accept its your ignorence. Hindustan never hate sikhs if you dont accept its your ignorance Hindustan hates sikhs and if you dont accept its your ignorence.

Sat Sri Akal; I have realised that most people are against any violence, so sad sangat is an image of Guru, I too leave this, i am relieved from burden of not doing anything for Sikhi. Thanx now i will focus more on bani, and only bani. You have relieved me of much hatred, maybe this is wish of our Guru. So i will leave this to my Guru, and never iscuss this again, as only those things happens which are wish of Guru. I can really work on Optical lasers. Now i am leaving everything and will only concentrate on bani. Thanks for guiding me, i felt much relieved. As whatever sad sangat says is the hukam of guru. It will be last day of my postsn hatred. thanx. Thanx.

Sat Sri Akal; I am extremely sorry;if i have offended anyone, i just want to say Sikhi needs a Good leader. Some good person should be at Akal takht who can take some good decisions. Again sorry to offend anyone. I am sorry to use Hitler as an example, extremely sorry. Regards

Please read my post, i never compared hitler with any sikh leader, i was just emphasing on importence of Good leader. Guru Gobind Singh has said "Chu Kar Aaj hilte dar Gujshat| Halal Ast Burdan aav Shamshir dast" Means " All modes of redressing the wrong have been failed, raising of sword is right" I am wrong but is it wrong to fight for your rights. Please guide me. I cannot forget past. Regards.

yes i admit i am not good, i am one of worst people living on this planet. ham nahin changee, Bura nahin koi|| There is nothing i admit i have thousands of shortcomings, i am even worst then everything here on planet. I know it, thanks again for telling me. Regards

The only thing we need is a strong leader, like nalwa, army and masses can be recreated, wars can be fought again but only under guidence of Good leader. Look after first world war germany was nothing there was a leader Hitler which transferred Germany to superpower in 10 years. He was very bad, but again very good leader for his country. Sant Ji was a able leader and was main motivation behind sikhs, Sukhdev singh wa sthe backbone of his group. So what Sikhi today needs is a very strong leader. There can be lakhs of sevadars that can be found , but very rare to find a able leader.

Sat Sri Akal; I can try any one else, but a person who in his first post says he is looking for a battle between amritdhari and mona, what do you expect from anyone. This is most illogical thing i have heard. He has no respect for his own elders and other amritdhari sikhs. He hates amritdhari look at his posts. I can live with patits but not with such guys. Regards

Sat Sri Akal; The ten gurus never said they were god they say they are servant of God. In sikhi there is only one God. The god never comes to earth (Ajoon) its written in Mool Manter. So we all are servants of God. Bhagat kabir says "That throat should be burn who says God comes to earth as a living being (avatar)" There is no heaven or hell like inother religions, there is sachKhande that you will meet God, not your relatives or other wordly pleasures as written in other religions, or if you do not recite bani and live according to it then he will again enter the birth and death sequence. I may be wrong please correct me. Regards.

Sat Sri Akal; can any Sikh defend these lines. 1) I personally can't wait till the day when there is a war between amritdharis and non-amritdharis. Oh man, I will be doing mad sewa for the cause. Blood for Blood . 2) I bet you any money if there was a war between non-amritdhari & amritdhari (especially here in Canada and maybe USA), I will bet on non-amritdhari for sure to win that war. 3)Also I notice that non-punjabi sikhs would never get into a war at all. I never met a non-punjabi sikh who is willing to spill his/her blood for the Sikh community. This is why I keep saying that if there was a war between amritdhari & non-amritdhari (monay), then I bet monay would win. That’s why I hope there is war so that we can shut these amritdharis up for good. We all know who are the real sher-e-punjabis are here and it isn’t amritdharis or even keshdharis. How can any Sikh defend Punjabi Link, he has so hatred for people with kesh or amritdhari. He is not even punjabi because they have Anakh whatever thing they say they stand by it, and he has no anakh left. He drifted away from his own words. You cant teach sikhi to such ignorent people, this can only be done by god, if he wishes. He has no understanding of our traditions, and for your info talwinder singh parmar founder of BKI was a canadian sikh. So Patits or so called mona's are having no place in sikhi, please if i am wrong give me any line from Guru Granth sahib regarding this. So think thousand times before shielding him, he should be left alone to have peace and if anyone thinks sikhi needs such people i doubt at there intelligence, because he can only turn out as Dogra of tomarrow. Regards

Sat Sri Akal; The bani written by Gurus is mostly written only in praise of God. In sikhism there is no place for any superstition, so my friends it is just a myth. The bani was washed away in Sutlej when Guru gobind singh was crossing it, so they have to create again. If anyone thinks reading any saroop can make any person blind, it is just ignorence and you have no understanding of God. As we read bani only in praise of God (except nihangs who read dasam granth too), it is very ironic that people thinks that reading bani from a saroop will make them blind. So we should not indulge in spraeding myths, and just ask yourself whether any bani can do any bad to anyone????????? never fear any bani of Guru written in any saroop will only help people (of all religions) and can never do any wrong. If we have even slight fear it is our doubt on our Guru and it is a wekness in our character. regards.

Sat Sri Akal; Just want to know if we have some good leader as sant Ji and there are chances of getting right for Sikhs, how many of you are actually ready to do seva for them. That if there is some good leader and sikhi needs us, how many people are really interested in doing seva. Regards.

Hi Brothers, I dont ask him to leave, he says that he is leaving, you can see his posts. Evryone remembers Shaheed bhagat singh but cant talk about Shaheed Kartar Singh Sarabha, master Sohan Singh Bhakna. Please tell me names of Mona sikh Commanders in 80s , i dont know them. Shaheed Bhagat Singh was a Arya samaji only during his jail he wishes to take Amrit. So he wants to be Amritdhari in end.So he realises the truth. Sant jarnail Singh says even when hairs of the Sheep are cut she still cries and you are human. So you do not respect sant Ji. The truth is whatever you say you should stuck to it , this thing is called Anakh. Khalsa is. 1) Who has 5 kakkars. 2) Do path of panj banis. 3) recites God with each braeth. 4) Learns to live in wishes of God. 5) is a image of god. Sehajdhari sikh is 1) Who has kesh, 2)Recites bani and in in process of taking Amrit. Please tell me any other type of Sikh giving reference from Sikh Bani and history. Regards

Hi; I agree only sikhs are at fault, Hindua wants to protect Akal Takht; Now explane 1)Is Bill Clinton wrong, Indian intelligence dont kill innocent singhs in Chattisinghpura, So CIA is wrong. 2)1984 Sikhs were killed indian military not by sikh regiment. 3)In bluestar Hindus distribute ladoos and the main commander arora was not a sikh but a Patit. 4)Prime minister Indira gandhi was responsible for this attack. 5)All sikhs that were killed by police were only done by Sikh Police, Hindus only try to protect them. 6)Hindu govt does not want to give Sikh reference Library. 7)Is nothing in Hindu marriage Act objectionable. 8)Is RSS a saviour of Sikhs. 9)Indian media always want to portray sikhs as terrorists and one with no intelligence. 10)News are biased against Sikhs. 11)Gobind Ram who say he will kill all sikhs. 12)Editor of jag bani, jeevan Ram???????? 13)Prime minister says "Sikh ik mujrayem shuda kaum hai". 14)Water is given to haryana and rajasthan. 15)Sikhs going to Asian games were mercilessly beaten in haryana. 16)congress govt Sonia gandhi gives cabinet Birth to Jagdish Tytler. Now answer me 1)How many Nihangs die at Blue star, I assume that when firing starts most of them ran away, this is your beer ras. 2)Akal takht war recreated by jathedar of Budha dal, to remove all the symbols of attack; when there are symbols of jallianwalabagh preserved why not for blue Star. 3)Nihang Phoola was involved in murder of many Kharkoos. 4)the reality is that after commiting crime many people join nihangs, it is truth. 5)many nihangs were agents of indian Govt. You are in deep ignorence, see our history. Sikhs are the mere puppets evrything is done by Hindu nationalists. gandhi, Nehru Pariwar are the desendents of gangu,who was responsible for shaheddi of saheebjadas, so taht is why they hate us. RSS wants to destroy Sikh history, ideology. Drug in any form is completely banned in Sikhism, yet nihangs have Sukha?????????????????????? Please give me any line from Guru Granth sahib which advocates it, only Guru Granth Sahib. Sikh is not one who is born in Sikh family, but he is one who walks on the path given by Gurus and portrayed in Guru granth Sahib. so most of people you are refering were no sikhs but only Hindus or Punjabis. but not Sikhs. have you lost anyone in that turbulent time, i have. Whoever comes in center hates sikhs and will always try to weaken them. Hindustan hates sikhs and if you dont accept its your ignorence.

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Sat Sri Akal; If you want to collect money for the kids, whose parents are killed by Indian govt. Or even fund any sikh movement. Do collecting money illegally would be crime. Do you consider killing of Longowal and other traitors crime???? Is killing of Beant singh crime???? If anyone hurts Ram rahim will it be a crime??????? Please tell me a clear direction, if crime is not for your own good or your own motives, and if it is only done for the sake of sikhi, is it still acrime in eyes of Guru. is killing of Editor of jag bani a crime????? Please tell me in terms of whether a crime only done for the betterment of our religion and without any self motives still a crime, then activities of all kharkoos will also be a crime. Regards.

Dear singhalicious; Do you have idea what Hindustan has done to sikhs 1) Operation Blue Star 2)1984 Sikh genocide. 3)Operation Black Thunder 4)Killing of one lakh sikhs in fake encounters. Raping young women in front of there family members in Police stations. Killing of innocent sikhs for rewards. Making fun of Sikhs in all hindu films. No leader was prosecuted for 1984. Do you loose anyone in that turbulent times, because those hwho have lost can only feel that pain to its true extent. RSS is want to destroy Separate Sikh identity. I will say you have only a image that India is great as you live only in India and most of news are censored. jagdish tytler and Sajjan kumar were never prosecuted and Tytler even get a berth in cabinet and later removed. Hindustan has only given false promises to sikhs. Bill Clinton has said that 36 Sikhs were massacared by Indian intelligence in village of Chattisinghpura just before his visit. They have intelligence reports but he cannot save sikhs by cancelling his trip because of diplomatic reasons. So a country which treats sikhs as second class citizens cannot be of sikhs. How can you accept sikhs registering there marriage under Hindu marriage act. Giving water to haryana and rajasthan when water table is dropping in punjab. Sikh reference library that was taken from sikhs and never returned. Portraying of sikhs as separatists even when dera followers attach us in bathinda by Hindustan media. Brother it is only a temporary debacle untill we find some good leader, and never know what is the wish of God. Regards. Hindustan hate sikhs, and if you are proud its your ignorence.

Sat Sri Akal; I may be wrong but i was upset i have not even read about a bloody battle between Amritdhari and Mona which our brother Punjabi Link was saying. Do you think he has any respect for sikhi, I doubt thousand times. So what you say, he will come here and confuse our young children. Even i have not heard from any Mona having so hatred against amritdhari, he wants to leave and we must appreciate that he should find peace in his own means. Are you even sure he is a sikh or Hindu in garb of sikh. You can say that i can also be Hindu, but after 84 i can die rather than being a Hindu. It is our problem only concerned about a few but not concertrating about the rest. If thousand becomes patit and even ten are Sikhs, the people that we have are much better than thousand patit. I am not drifting apart anyone, but just one question how can you grant wisdom or debate with aperson who has so much hatred against amritdhari that is looking forward to a battle between amritdhari and patits, just for telling them cutting hair is not Sikhi. Do sikhs wants such people. Regards.

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Hi veer; Please tell if you justify old singhs who robbed money from Mughals or robbery done By gen Labh singh at Ludhiana. I am just confused at one instance for sikhi i think it was good for movement at other instance it was crime. I am just too confused. Please show me the truth. Regards.

Sat Sri Akal; I am caught in trouble, please help me. Can we do crime for the cause of Sikhi????????????????? As even old sikhs during Mughal rule were robbing the treasures for Mughal rulers. So do you justify this in todays world. Regards.

dear friend; You are leaving sikhi, but you were never a sikh at all, it was just a mirage that if jborn in Sikh family, you are a sikh. Just tha day you cut your Kesh you were drifted away from sikhi, Best of Luck for you in your pursuit to find Peace. May God show you the right path. I feel good for you, as you were just living in a dream, by your attitude you have given sikhi a long time ago,it is just the time you realise it, or our God show you truth. I am extemely happy that our community was able to show you truth. Best of Luck for your Future, and in future if you realise the true Sikhi in you, you are always Welcome. Bye Bye Brother, as you are converting, i assume i will not listen from you ever again. Regards.

Great Advice! I think all monay should find a best path to find God since Sikhi isn't the right path for us. Anyway, you are obviously reading my posts out of context. Read my posts carefully again. Yes, I was planning to leave this website, but I got caught up in couple debates here. Dear Brother; Your debate seems childish, nothing concurrent is ever given from bani; Your wordings seems like you are frustated in life; I aasume that you think you are doing a EHSAAN by being a sikh on sikhi????????? Your posts seems so; People are for Sikhi; not sikhi for people, it is much above even thousands of our lives. I will say you will adopt other religion and then run from it ; and same scenario continue again and again. as problem is with you not in any religion. If you can find peace in any religion please go and adopt it, it will be better for you. But remember whatever religion you follow, you have to follow its princilpes. You cannot run from it. You did not give any reply to any of my question or even definition of Patit, Please reply I am always open to any debate. Regards.

Well bro, I got good news for you. I am leaving this website. So you and your people can talk more crap about monay now. :umm: I am done. I will find a new religious website where I wouldn't feel like an outcast. :lol: @ "Singhs" who keep sending me fake death threats in my mailbox. I will see you cowards on the battlefield. I am just going to call myself a "mona" for now on instead calling myself a "sikh". Anyway, take care, bro. I am out. Peace. Dear brother; You have said that you are leaving this site, but still posting, there is saying in bani Wachan kare te Khisak jayee| Bole sab Kacha|| This is one difference between Mona and a sikh. You want to fight The Amritdhari sikhs over calling you Mona, this is the most ridiculous thing that i have heard in my life. Sura so pechaniyee Jo ladde, din ke haate| Purja Purja lad mare| Kubhu na chode khet|| Sura is one who fights for religion.It is for religious people not for outcasts. if you are not anritdhari, you cant be strong enough atleast spiritually. What we are living is to attain Guru and not to criticise anyone, keeping Kesh is in integral part of sikhi, if you cannot keep it you are free to convert and find best path to find God. As only aim of human should be to find way to God whatever path he chooses, he must try to follow it sincerely. If you say thousand Amritdharis are wrong then there will be atleast one Gursikh whom you can follow. How can anyone forget Sahebjada Jorawar singh and Sahebjada Fateh Singh,They died for sikhi, I really feel disturbed that our Mona brothers have completely forget them. Just think about them for a moment before posting any reply or you dont know them???????? Regards.