Singhballer

Thats pretty cool .

There seems to be a division amongst the Singhs in Oldbury as they don't believe the current Sant Jeet Singh, is a Sant & he is trying to get the Deed of Oldbury Gurudwara in his personal name, when the Gurudwara belongs to the Sangat. From my understanding the original Saints of Johlanwala were true saints but the current Saint is not a saint & is in the courts of India and the UK fighting for land and money. This is widely reported in all the panjabi newpapers. Apparently Jeet calls himself a 'Guru' and the monies donated by sangat go to him direct & Not Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, now thats a bit scary! Phull Chuk Maaf Navtej Kaur Have you Navtej ever had the Darshan of Sant Jeet Singh Ji? How dare you say all of this! Sant Jeet Singh is a true Sant! Would you think Sant Gian Singh Ji and Baba Brakath Ji would give the Ghadhi to them if they were not truly at that Avastha? If they were Brahamgiani do you think they would make a mistake as such? NO! Sant Jeet Singh Ji is not alone on the Ghadhi.. this shows just how much you really know about them. Sant Jaspaul Singh Ji is also on the Ghadhi as were the two Sants before them. Go to the Dera yourself and see what goes on there. In front of my own eyes a person put money infront of both Sants and Sant Jeet Singh Ji immediately told him to give that money to Guru Sahib and not him as he was no 'Guru'! This happened infront of my own eyes. All this that is coming in the papers are all LIES! The Children of the old sevaks that would come to the Dera and do seva are now the same who are trying to take over the Dera ( in Punjabi : Kabza Kardey). These people are the ones who are feeding these lies to media.. planting this information in the papers to give the Dera a tarnished name! And they are in no court! These are all lies! Where do you find this stupid garbage ?! Go there and see for yourself.. have their Darshan and you will have no doubts! You will see the point they have reached.. you will see they are true Sants . Peace 8 Ashtapadee: Slandering the Saints, one's life is cut short. Slandering the Saints, one shall not escape the Messenger of Death. Slandering the Saints, all happiness vanishes. Slandering the Saints, one falls into hell. Slandering the Saints, the intellect is polluted. Slandering the Saints, one's reputation is lost. One who is cursed by a Saint cannot be saved. Slandering the Saints, one's place is defiled. But if the Compassionate Saint shows His Kindness, O Nanak, in the Company of the Saints, the slanderer may still be saved. ||1|| Slandering the Saints, one becomes a wry-faced malcontent. Slandering the Saints, one croaks like a raven. Slandering the Saints, one is reincarnated as a snake. Slandering the Saints, one is reincarnated as a wiggling worm. Slandering the Saints, one burns in the fire of desire. Slandering the Saints, one tries to deceive everyone. Slandering the Saints, all one's influence vanishes. Slandering the Saints, one becomes the lowest of the low. For the slanderer of the Saint, there is no place of rest. The slanderer of the Saint is the worst evil-doer. The slanderer of the Saint has not even a moment's rest. The slanderer of the Saint is a brutal butcher. The slanderer of the Saint is cursed by the Transcendent Lord. The slanderer of the Saint has no kingdom. The slanderer of the Saint becomes miserable and poor. The slanderer of the Saint contracts all diseases. The slanderer of the Saint is forever separated. To slander a Saint is the worst sin of sins. O Nanak, if it pleases the Saint, then even this one may be liberated. ||3|| The slanderer of the Saint is forever impure. The slanderer of the Saint is nobody's friend. The slanderer of the Saint shall be punished. The slanderer of the Saint is abandoned by all. The slanderer of the Saint is totally egocentric. The slanderer of the Saint is forever corrupt. The slanderer of the Saint must endure birth and death. The slanderer of the Saint is devoid of peace. The slanderer of the Saint has no place of rest. O Nanak, if it pleases the Saint, then even such a one may merge in union. ||4|| The slanderer of the Saint breaks down mid-way. The slanderer of the Saint cannot accomplish his tasks. The slanderer of the Saint wanders in the wilderness. The slanderer of the Saint is misled into desolation. The slanderer of the Saint is empty inside, like the corpse of a dead man, without the breath of life. The slanderer of the Saint has no heritage at all. He himself must eat what he has planted. The slanderer of the Saint cannot be saved by anyone else. O Nanak, if it pleases the Saint, then even he may be saved. ||5|| The slanderer of the Saint bewails like this like a fish, out of water, writhing in agony. The slanderer of the Saint is hungry and is never satisfied, as fire is not satisfied by fuel. The slanderer of the Saint is left all alone, like the miserable barren sesame stalk abandoned in the field. The slanderer of the Saint is devoid of faith. The slanderer of the Saint constantly lies. The fate of the slanderer is pre-ordained from the very beginning of time. O Nanak, whatever pleases God's Will comes to pass. ||6|| The slanderer of the Saint becomes deformed. The slanderer of the Saint receives his punishment in the Court of the Lord. The slanderer of the Saint is eternally in limbo. He does not die, but he does not live either. The hopes of the slanderer of the Saint are not fulfilled. The slanderer of the Saint departs disappointed. Slandering the Saint, no one attains satisfaction. As it pleases the Lord, so do people become; no one can erase their past actions. O Nanak, the True Lord alone knows all. ||7|| - Siri Guru Granth Sahib Pana . 279-280

Yeah they are. They are some real Chardikala Singhs and Sadhus... they've done alot of Bhagti and Simran. Their Maryada and the way they do everyday activities.. is almost uncomparable to anywhere else! Real Hardcoore Maryada to esure utmost purity.

That is Sick and EVIL!

You are gravely mistaken. Bibian don't ever go near the Sants or most of th Sadhus. This has been implemented fromt the times of Sant Basant Singh Ji. If they want to have Sangat of the Sants there is a caertain place behind the men where they can sit. Otherwise no conversation is ever made between the Sants and and women. The stupid things that you hear are all lies! and frankly pisses me off when people spread nonsense like that. The current Sants have as much Gian as the Badee Mahapurkhs did. Sant Jeet Singh has done an immense amount of Seva. Do not doubt the current Sants.. they are Brahamgiani. Do not think otherwise.

WUH?? :6

My pind is right next to the Johalan Dera.

Johalan Dera is no Cult! Their in direct lineage from Hoti Mardan. From Hoti Mardan 2 Gurdwaras were made.. Harkhowal and Johalan. Sant Baba Basant Singh Ji was told to go to Jholan and no their Naam Simran their. The Sants of this dera are Bhrahamgiani. I had the darshan of Sant Jeet Singh Ji and Sant Jaspaul Singh Ji.. and I will tell you that they have an immense Kamai and have done a great amount of Seva. Any reports you here are utter rubbish! What happened was (like Kam said) was people were trying to get control of the land the Dera owns(land is close to Jalandhar=Very Expensive) and this happened for quite a few years. Sant Jeet Singh Ji told those who were known to be as such to never enter the dera again. Some of these corrupted people did get bashed so to say by Singhs who had real pyaar for the Dera. Namastang - It is indeed Johalan wale. Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji Jianwale set up the Dera but the Dera it self was called Johalan. Also you could ask Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal Wale about the in depth History. They know alot about the History of the Sants

Amazing!!

I will be there !

WOW! :o

How can you bow to a Murti and then go on to bow down to Guru Ji ?

Alright, whatever you say the all knowledgeable :WW:

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Impossible. As he was a Sikh and not to mention a Sant.. saying that Sant Ji was linked to a Caste name is ridiculous and utter stupidity! It's an insult to the name and memory of Sant Ji! How can a Bhrahamgiani be asscociated with the evils of the caste system !?

:o WoW!

LOL! (

To the outside world, that is how everyone saw/sees it. Can you really blame them for thinking like that? Those people will never understand the truth and they will die believing a bunch of lies. Yeah, I agree . To understand who Sant Jarnail Singh Ji and the Singhs present at Darbar Sahib were people have to understand Sikhi completley. If people don't understand our Religion, then as you said, those people will never understand the truth.

Great!!^^ :TH:

Yes he is still alive and well.. although neither have I seen him all that often either. :umm:

Thats Awesome!

YESSS DUCK TALES!! I used to love that show! :lol:

Fully Agree^^

It was the Celtic DEFENCE!

The Boston Celtics are the World Champs!!!! :D They Obliterated the Los Angelos Lakers taking the Championship in 6 games, winning 131-92! Paul Pierce named Finals MVP Although a complete blowout the game was very enjoyable! Amazing.. Just amazing!