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plus we can't blame racism, if racism is the factor then that should give our ppl more fire to make it, some of the first black athletes broke through because they used racism as a way to fuel themselves, plus im guessing when you talk about clubs your talking about england and they've already let one sikh come play at the top level but i don't think its racism cause he didn't make it though their was alot of hype behind him, harp singh. I believe their's not enough parantal and community support to help these guys excel and live up to potential. Not racism. If it had to do with racism that just fires ppl up even more and they just use that to make themselves better. My question shouldn't focus on what keeps sikhs living up to their potential in athletics. I should change it to, how can we get more support in the community and encourage more sikh athletes. Parants need to be educated on benifits sports helps build confidence teaches them team work and leadership skills and disipline and goal setting. Right now were i live not to many sikhs are becomming docters and lawyers cause they don't want to or cause they dropping out of school. Honestly we need more role models in our community and i think having more athletes is a help, having sikh athletes who can go to the top in their sport and encourage and help other sikh youth believe that they can do it as well.

oh please. im talking about sikh athletes that are singhs and arn't singhs and yea their our sikh athletes and im asking why arn't their more. no it doesn't my little cousin plays hockey and his joora doesn't get in the way.

Their are a few sikh athletes up and comming and some who have had tremendous success but why arn't their more. why arn't their more sikh athletes in profesional sports like football hockey soccer baskitball and so on. What can we do to get more sikhs involved in sports

who cares about the turbon ban wear it anyways and be proud and if they kick you out make more noise about it, if you want to learn to fight straight honestly kung fu and karate is all bs the proper stuff to learn with mma is boxing kickboxing judo brazilion ji jitsu wrestling. Boxing and kickboxing will help you fight more then one guys but for one on one fights brazilion ji jitsu and judo and wrestling with some kickboxing or boxing.

pushups, situps, and run. Their actually the best excersises you can do. If your watching tv when a comercial comes on start doing pushups and situps till the comerical ends. Joging is great just run at your own pace around a park or on a treadmill and take a walkman with you listen to music while you run.

shouldn't sikhs focus on fixing problems in sikh community, 50% of the youth in punjab do drugs now, more and more don't know anything about sikhi, spousal abuse is through the roof im sick and tired of hearing it on the news in canada about are ppl killing their wives, we should focus on gettnig justice but khalistan won't happen, their's no plan, honestly ppl think their going to get khalistan by just chanting khalistan and wasting money and energy on chanting khalistan, they should focus that money and energy on sikh issues and not khalistan. How do ppl plan on getting khalistan? hows it going to happen, with all the problems in punjab among sikh youth like drugs and kids dropping out of school, its not going to fall out of the sky if you say khalistan a million times.

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AIR INDIA INQUIRY WILL LOOK INTO TEHELKA REPORT ON TALWINDER SINGH PARMAR The Tehelka (www.tehelka.com) report on a former Punjab police officer claiming that he arrested and interrogated prime Air India bombing suspect Talwinder Singh Parmar before he was ordered killed by senior police officials confirms what The VOICE has been saying for years: (1) that Indian police extracted all the information they required from Parmar before killing him (and so they really didn't care what Canada did about the other alleged plotters); and (2) that convicted bomb maker Inderjit Singh Reyat knows who the mysterious Third Man - who accompanied Parmar to his house, stayed with him and later took the bombs from him - is. On the other hand, it is very difficult, indeed, impossible to determine what the roles of various alleged plotters were or even the true extent of their involvement because there are so many claims and counter-claims by people who say they know this or that for sure. Then there are those who want all this confusion to protect those who were really involved in the plot. Also, it is impossible to say to what extent the Indian intelligence services and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service were involved in the plot or how much they really knew or know. Did they have a mole or moles? Who was the mole (or moles)? Anyway, the head of the Air India inquiry, former Supreme Court justice John Major told the media that he will look into this report when the hearings resume. The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas was the first to report about the Tehelka report on Monday. The Tehelka report said that retired Punjab Police Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) Harmail Singh Chandi, who reportedly arrested Parmar in the Jammu region of the northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir in September, 1992, did not destroy Parmar's confession record although he was instructed to do that. In the confession, Parmar named Lakhbir Singh Brar "Rode", nephew of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and head of the banned International Sikh Youth Federation, as the mastermind of the bombing. Rode, who is now believed to be in Lahore, Pakistan. Tehelka reported that Chandi produced all the evidence - including audio-tapes - before the RCMP and the John Major inquiry commission. So apparently he was the mysterious witness who suddenly backed out from giving evidence at the Major inquiry. However, when you go through Parmar's confession there are some points that you need to bear in mind. Both as the son of a former Indian Police Service officer and a crime reporter with The Times of India in New Delhi, I can tell you that Indian police extract confessions by third-degree methods that are nothing but horrible torture. That's a well-known fact and that is the reason why police there often don't report an arrest (by law they must bring the arrested person before a judge within 24 hours) because they first torture the person and then wait for the marks of torture and other related physical conditions to heal. Then they register the arrest officially and bring the person before a judge. Judges, too, have been known to turn a blind eye to visible marks of torture, especially in smaller towns. The victim, too, is often too scared to talk of the torture because he fears he will be tortured again! So Parmar's confession could have been taped only after he agreed to say certain things that the cops wanted him to say. Also, he might have deliberately misled the cops to buy time, naively thinking that being a Canadian citizen he would not be killed. According to the Tehlka report by Vikram Jit Singh, Parmar's confession states: "Around May 1985, a functionary of the International Sikh Youth Federation came to me and introduced himself as Lakhbir Singh and asked me for help in conducting some violent activities to express the resentment of the Sikhs. I told him to come after a few days so that I could arrange for dynamite and battery etc. He told me that he would first like to see a trial of the blast ... After about four days, Lakhbir Singh and another youth, Inderjit Singh Reyat, both came to me. We went into the jungle (of British Columbia). There we joined a dynamite stick with a battery and triggered off a blast. Lakhbir and Inderjit, even at that time, had in their minds a plan to blast an aeroplane. I was not too keen on this plan but agreed to arrange for the dynamite sticks. Inderjit wanted to use for this purpose a transistor fitted with a battery...That very day, they took dynamite sticks from me and left. "Then Lakhbir Singh, Inderjit Singh and their accomplice, Manjit Singh, made a plan to plant bombs in an Air India (AI) plane leaving from Toronto via London for Delhi and another flight that was to leave Tokyo for Bangkok. Lakhbir Singh got the seat booking done from Vancouver to Tokyo and then onwards to Bangkok, while Manjit Singh got it done from Vancouver to Toronto and then from Toronto to Delhi. Inderjit prepared the bags for the flights, which were loaded with dynamite bombs fitted with a battery and transistor. They decided that the suitcases will be booked but they themselves will not travel by the same flights although they will take the boarding passes. After preparing these bombs, the plan was ready for execution by June 21 or 22, 1985. However, the bomb to be kept in the flight from Tokyo to Delhi via Bangkok exploded at the Narita airport on the conveyor belt. The second suitcase that was loaded on the Toronto-Delhi air flight exploded in the air." According to the Tehelka report, Punjab Human Rights Organization (PHRO) principal investigator Sarabjit Singh said the PHRO's probe has shown that Parmar was killed to hide the name of Lakhbir, who was an Indian agent. He claimed that a plot was hatched to discredit the Sikh movement and that the Punjab Police got orders to eliminate Parmar because he knew too much about the main perpetrators. Tehelka pointed out that although Lakhbir is accused in many acts of terrorism, he is wanted by the Indian government in only a minor case registered in Moga, Punjab. The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas reported: "Lakhbir Singh Brar came to Canada in April, 1985, as a refugee. He was identified as a national security risk by Canada's security service and deported in the early 1990s." Interestingly, Tehelka reported that when the police officer - Satish K. Kumar, who was a Senior Superintendent of Police at the time and is now an Inspector General of Police - who reportedly killed Parmar in an encounter, was asked about the charge that Parmar was murdered by the police, he shot back: "It was a clean encounter. The RCMP is bringing this up because they botched their investigations and failed to get convictions." Interesting masala, eh! http://www.voiceonline.com/voice/070804/headline2.php

exactly, 50% of youth are drug users in punjab, most sikh youth don't know anythign about sikhi most are cutting their hair, most khalistanis are in canada and england just yelling khalistan with out a plan or any strategys My question is for khalistanis how do they plan on getting khalistan?? Why waste time on khalistan and not on fixing issues in sikh community and getting justice for sikhs, thats were these guys who scream khalistan should spend their energy. Seriously no khalistani can answer this question how does any khalistani plan on getting khalistan, when punjab's economy is going down, more kids dropping out of school, more kids cutting hair, drug use going up, prositution comming into punjab, i always stress this and brought this up with the <banned word filter activated> gurdwara leaders who still yell khalistan while hiding in canada, why not focus on fixing the problems in sikh community rather then wasting money and energy on chanting khalistan when every day its less and less likely its going to happen.??? i agree, their's no plan for getting khalistan but ppl still blow their money on chanting it.

read the book a while back, alot of this stuff in media now, basically india sent in agents to encourage sikh militants to blow up air india, india's govt agents were involved with the sikh militants in bc.

Im going to use what you said against anyone who try's to defend why they call themsleves jatt, cause its always the same stupid thing im just representing my race were jatt race and have honourable history but never thought about mentioning before sikhism they were slaves.

saw someone post this comment on another website www.jattworld.com - probably the most racist and insulting site to the sikh faith....with their hijacking of the Nishan Sahib, and making fun of the sik swaroop (raghead etc). Also promoting division amongst Sikhs along caste. www.sikhrajput.com - the name says it all.....again caste promotion amongst sikhs.......its an oxymoron. www.ramgarhiakom.com - ....again caste promotion amongst sikhs...they should leave religion out of it.

one thing i find sad is alot of ppl i have grown up with have never learned crimes commited against sikhs in the 80's and early 90's, parants dont' take the time or care about the crimes commited against sikhs. I believe more awarness needs to be brought to our community and youth first.

yea hindutva guys attack her alot for that calling her a muslim claiming she married a muslim man. pics were used as examples,man if you don;t understand aint our fault , singh explains what im trying to tell you,lol you think RSS were at home or taking us to hospitals ,your hugely mistaken,no one has denied congress involvement,but your next level i believe what he's saying is don't get congress mixed up with rss or hindutva its well known they hate eachother, they always have and always will, how in the world would they get along, heck hindutva made it clear they were proud mahatma gandhi was killed and wanted nehru murdered as well. Hindutva members killed mahatma gandhi. right now best thing to do to expose india and crimes against sikhs is expose what hindutva members are doing to christians in india, get these christians fired up, also in canada i always question why the hell do the sikh politicans want to jump on the ship to work with india and non are speaking against india's crimes against sikhs and pressuring the canadian government to press india's government for information on anti sikh riots and kps gills crimes in punjab, sikhs have so much power in canada and instead they get greedy over money and will destroy eachother so they can go back to punjab and talk about how they are politicans in canada and this and that.

Have to disagree with your post, its a well known fact that hindutva supporters have hated and will always hate congress, they killed mahatma gandhi they wanted to kill nehru and they wanted to destroy indira gandhi and called her a <admin-profanity filter activated> and wanted to kill rajiv gandhi after he had india's army attack tamils in sri lanka. man who led the anti sikh riots was raised by a christian and thats a point hindutva members try making all the time, jagdesh tytler was raised by a christian, he was adopted at a very young age and raised. Congress it was about power and money and for hindutuva its about creating a talibon style india, but its important for sikhs to know that both congress and hindutva supporters hate eachothers guts and can play an advantage to sikhs in the world of politics.

they support the sikh-muslim federation or whatever that group is and talk about sikh and muslim brotherhoood, then make comments like these at muslims, do they just jump sides. http://www.panthic.org/news/124/ARTICLE/3171/2007-03-21.html Mother of Student who was groomed to conversion talks about her pain Wednesday 21st of March 2007 Panthic Weekly News Bureau This weekly Panthic Weekly brings the story of a Sikh mother's pain after her son was groomed into converting to Islam. Students who have been close to extremist Muslims at colleges and universities have said that Islamic Groups tell students who convert to keep "Allah in your heart", which means keep it a secret from your family. This is a tactic employed by cults whose aim is to isolate the target from the family. The word 'al Taqiyya' means concealing or disguising ones belief, convictions, ideas, opinions, feelings and strategies at a time of eminent danger to save one from physical or mental injury, or for the prosperity and welfare of Islam. The website Sikh4Life.co.uk, provides a list of strategies and tactics used by extremist Islamists to groom Sikh students to convert. Some of the tactics used are: a) Target Sikh boys and girls especially those who are: * Non-orthodox * Poorly educated about their religion * Enjoy sports, socializing, drinking etc b) Promote low-level dialogue * Do you believe in God, why not? * Koran is scientifically proven, attacks on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji * Invitation to meetings/discussion groups c) Provide surrogate 'family'/immediate group of 'friend' for students living away from home d) Target Vulnerable Groups * Living away from home * Broken family, child does not get attention or love at home * Weak minded individuals * Personal problems - Death in family, abusive parent, forced marriage, pressure to wear turban Mother of Sikh Student at Kingston University who converted to Islam talks about her pain 22nd July 2006: A mother's intuition sometimes tells you something is not right. I was due to go to a religious function with friends and for some reason I kept coming back into the house and my eldest son was very jittery and nervous and it just didn't sit well with me. I asked him what was the matter and he said nothing, he was very nervous and said, "Go mum I'm fine" and he shut the door of his room which sent alarm bells. I re-opened the door to look inside, there was a mat on the floor and I just knew, I had a gut feeling that he was praying. I asked him if he was praying. He got angry and defensive and told me it's nothing forget it. I phoned my father and took my son to see him. He went very reluctantly. There he told us that he had converted to Islam. At this stage, I took advice from anyone who was prepared to help. I went to the Sikh University in Harrow. There they questioned him and he had no answers to their questions. He said that the only way to go to Allah was through Mohammed. Through the Sikh University I met numerous educated Baptised Sikhs who agreed to talk to him and his Muslim brothers. His Muslim brothers came to the meetings and badgered, abused and bullied the Sikh boys about their beliefs. Every time my son was asked questions about his conversion, he had no answers. He would run back to the mosque to find out the answers to their questions. It was clear that he went into this religion with his eyes shut and his Muslim brothers were controlling him. At that time my relationship with my son was intolerable. I cried night after night, ran out of my house hoping that a car would hit me. I would crawl on my knees and beg him to consider the consequences with an elderly grandfather and heartbroken fiancé. He would just sit there like a stone and say come mum I will show you the light. He would never give me eye contact and he would be always be living on nervous energy, he was always conversing with his Muslim brothers who gave him support. He had his henchmen dictating his every action and every move. My son said that in Islam we respect Allah, then your mother, then your mother, then your mother.... so why was he causing me so much pain. They picked on my son's vulnerability i.e., away from home attending university; grandmother's sudden death and he needed someone to turn to. I could not be there for him as I was looking after my sick father and other children at home. He got into debates about death with his university Muslim brothers and they would take him into meetings to answer his questions. All the time he was told not to talk about these meetings, even with his girlfriend. From there they gave him leaflets and brochures to educate himself, which was kept hidden. Later these Muslim brothers invited him to play football in their teams. He was engaged and due to get married in 2007. It turned out that he told his fiancé and tried to convert her and told her to keep it quiet and not to tell me until he was ready. The hardest and most painful thing was to invite his fiancé's parents to the house and tell them that my son had converted to Islam. I have never felt so low and this devastated the whole family, especially my elderly father who was looking forward to the wedding. My father wished that he had died instead of having to witness this betrayal. In relation to my mother's death, my father commented, 'thank God she did not have to witness this'. I have not given up hope, I always believe in my faith. I felt the Gurdwara let me down because they were too busy making money and running for elections. I do feel that I have let my son down and I wasn't there when he needed me the most and I do believe that no mother or family should ever, ever have to go through this. He has repeatedly told me to convert. I get scared to send him anywhere with my youngest son as numerous times he has tried to prime him. He has transformed from being warm and loving to being cold and egotistical. He gloats when he hears that another Sikh has been converted. As a Muslim boy in a Sikh family he wants to save us so that we will go to heaven with him and not hell without him. I felt suicidal I wanted him dead and kept telling him that I wished he'd died at birth so I wouldn't have to go through this. I tried to hold the family together but everything was falling apart and every look he gave me and every action he took was like a knife in my heart. I believe this is hell and my safe world blew up and got destroyed by evil. I felt that my loving, gentle giant turned into a brainwashed robot. If this is his version of love to his mother then I do wish that Allah can have him. Panthic Weekly would like to thank the Sikh Mother for sharing her story. Her story illustrates how vulnerable students are preyed upon, however more seriously the vulnerability is based on ignorance and the failings of the Sikh community and parents to provide support and comfort to youngsters. Sikh community leaders and parents need to awake to their responsibilities to educate and inspire Sikh youngsters with Gurbani and Sikh history. With no knowledge of our own faith, we make ourselves vulnerable and weak. The Sikh youth need to be made aware of these challenges before they go to school, college or University. If a youngster is aware of the issues and are armed with knowledge, they will never be swayed. The Guru has taught us to rise above anger, lust, greed, attachment and ego-centeredness and to respond with a calm and collective conscious. If anyone would like to share their story of their experience with Islamic extremism in colleges and Universities then please contact

i love that quote

congress doesn't want to destroy sikhism, for them its about power and money their more like a mafia, hindutva wants to destroy sikhism but that has to do with their talibon style mentality of building a talibon style hindu india. Some say hindutva wants bramin order but hindutva supporters are anti caste and believe caste will destroy hinduism and believe caste is the reason so many hindus convert to other faiths.

i loved how you put that.

thats perfect, yea do you have any other quotes.

both are hindutva A and B teams. Congress thugs dress in white and BJP is recognized as saffron brigade. BJP takes inspiration from RSS(Rastryisa Swayam Seewak Sangh),whose cadres wear khaki shorts and hold shakas in various parts of india. Both have common ideiology of five centuries of hindu antagonism to the Sikh thought. Started when Guru Nanak refused to wear sacred hindu thread the "janaeau". you bin reading way to much bs on those khalistani websites? could you tell me do any supporters of hindutva like congress and why supporters of hindutva tried destroying rahul gandhi's image last year on rape charges and why hindtuva supporters killed the first leader of congress mahatma gandhi and why they were after nehru?? Tell me do you believe jagdesh tytler was a hindutva supporter?? tell me why did hindutva supporters want to kill rajiv gandhi?? tell me why hindutva supporters called indira gandhi a <admin-profanity filter activated>?? tell me why has hindutva members and leaders like gujarate cheif minister called congress leader sonia gandhi a <admin-profanity filter activated>.? THE BIG QUESTION WHAT SIMILAR IDEOLOGY'S DO BJP RSS SUPPORTERS AND CONGRESS SUPPORTERS HOLD??

why do so many sikhs still practise it.

when parants don't teach kids work ethic how do you expect them to get through school, but i do agree i know ppl who weren't book smart but are street smart and made fortune in buisness, but at the same time these guys work, the sikh guys im talking about that drop out of school live with mommy and daddy smoking weed getting drunk till their late 20's.

I know someone who had a hard time in school and actually dropped out. He/She put a lot of effort into school, but he/she couldn't just cut it. Also couple of my friends had dropped out school because their families weren't making enough money to pay their bills. So my friends had to get jobs help out their families. what i mean by kids who drop out of school is, their's alot of sikh kids who are spoiled like crazy they get cars and what ever, and never had to work a job in their life and were given no responsibility's

they need to invest money into the youth in surrey and into the community rather building another gurdwara.