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the fact their were no charges laid, makes me wonder was this girl even forced to convert

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1665053.cms NRI girls turn criminals for money, boyfriends 20 Jun 2006, 2348 hrs IST,Gur Kirpal Singh Ashk,TNN PATIALA: They are teenage girls of Indian origin, born and brought up in Canada. And, they are increasingly turning to a life of crime, peddling drugs for easy money and to be able to boast of toughie boyfriends on their arms. This new generation of Indo-Canadian girls has set off alarm bells in the Canadian police force. So much so that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) has launched initiatives like weekend camps and after-school games to keep the young women off the streets. While doing a special story on South Asian gangs, Canadian Broadcast Corporation (CBC) quoted Rosie Thakar, diversity coordinator for RCMP, Surrey (British Columbia), as saying that more and more Indian origin teenage girls are turning to prostitution and ending up as drug-runners for these gangs. "Our younger girls are getting used in this process, whether it is for easy money or to get gangster boyfriends." What has the RCMP worried is the fact that the number of Indo-Canadian teenage girls joining such gangs is increasing. A 15-year-old girl taking part in Thakar’s programme said South Asian girls see this as a way to get rich fast. "Girls just want money. They like to go shopping," the girl said. "They just need more money, so they sell drugs." A worried RCMP has launched a new female-only programme to help teenage girls build self-esteem in Surrey. But the problem is not limited to that region. Baltej Pannu, an NRI broadcaster who has lived in Canada for 19 years, told TOI : "The problem of South Asian gangs is very serious in all of Canada. Besides British Columbia, these gangs are also a huge headache for police of Ontario province, which also has a dense population of Punjabis

their has not bin one person charged for brain washing or forced conversions in england, so how can you say this is the problem, no girl is forced to convert or brainwashed, otherwise their would itleast be one criminal case of a muslim converting a sikh girl or trying to convert a sikh girl or brainwashing or trying to brain wash a sikh girl, but their arn't any cases of this striaght out its sikh girls falling in love with muslim boys, muslim says can't marry you cause your sikh, girl says she will convert, and the community calls it forced conversion cause they don't know what the real problem is and yea muslims purposly date sikh girls and won't date muslim girls cause they see them as sisters but will mess around with sikh girls cause they think its ok and it happends in canada to, but the root to this problem isn't brainwashing or anything like that

you don't even know what the problem is, or the cause of the problem, and its not parants being to liberal cause i know extremely conservative parants who have daughters that are bar stars

why are less and less youth playing field hockey and kabadi and more youth in punjab playing the pathetic sport of cricket, why arn't more youth playing soccer in punjab to, cricket is a sport for the weak pathetic athlete real athletes play sports like hockey kabadi soccer rugby and the list goes on punjab use to kill everyone when it came to field hockey

if you use hitting and the only way to disipline kids they'll find way's to hide things from their parants, believe me i know everyone in my age group got hit and all they learned to do was how to hide the bad stuff from parants have open communication with both son's and daughters teach them a strong work ethic good morals build up their self esteem and disipline them as in take away things from them and i think sometimes its ok to smack the son just to make him a man so he doesn't grow up as a cry baby. If you want to talk about disiplining daughters their our classes now in vancouver to help young punjabi and other indo canadian girls build up their self esteem, and one thing that needs to be done is we need to destroy this cultural thinking of how the boy is favoured over the girl the boy is raised and given everything and the girl is a burden on the family cause this destroy's a girls self esteem, making her feel like a prisoner makes them rebel, what parants need to do is build their daughters self esteem teach them good morals have open communication with them and trust them and and if a girl has a close relationship with her parants she isn't going to do anything that could risk shaming her parants, she'll think about her parants first now most these girls who drink go to party after party jumping from guy to guy and sleeping with different men running away from home doing drugs usually have low self esteem and don't have the best relationship with their family's

you know what for this girl to get that obbsessed means she suffered some problems like mental illness or depression or low self esteem were she got attached this badd you guys should seriously ask the girls in your local city's or areas questions like how many of them suffer from depression and low self esteem, how many come from abusive family's and how many were sexually assulted, you would be shocked at how many girls suffer low self esteem and depression, one group in vancouver that is trying to help sikh girls build self esteem cause their bin cases were punjabi girls have bin lured into prostitution were they bin given drugs by their boyfriends then once addicted they are pimped, this group had taken a poll and asked over 200 teenage sikh girls to fill out a card were they could hide their names and were asked if they suffer low self esteem or depression, if they love themselves if they come from abusive family's if they bin sexually assulted, and from what i was told more then half the girls suffer some sort of low self esteem, which is a huge problem i think, and the amount of girls suffering depression and low self worth and girls that have bin sexually assulted but to scared to say anything is shocking honestly try taking a poll on girls in your local city's areas or uni's were girls can be asked and hide their names if they suffer low self esteem and so on, you would be shocked by the numbers also take into account how many girls feel neglected by their family's considering in punjabi culture when a boy is born he is treated like a king and the girl is treated like a burden on the family, no wonder so many girls have low self esteem and suffer depression, and no wonder in places like england its so easy for sikh girls to run away with muslims, also the amount of sikh girls that are sexually assulted at young ages but can't say anything is shocking, honestly these issues need to be addressed and when so many girls suffer depression or low self esteem or come from abusive homes and so on its no wonder that you find so many girls with mini skirts up to their behinds in clubs drunk out of their minds dancing with random guys, sleeping with different men, and so on but yea if we don't meet these challenges head on things will get worste, more then half the girls suffer low self esteem and getting recognition is part of human nature, we are driven by recognition so when a girl has low self esteem she will sleep with another guy or wear that short skirt to get some sort of recognition to give her that 5 minutes of joy before she suffers from her low self esteem again

you know what for this girl to get that obbsessed means she suffered some problems like mental illness or depression or low self esteem were she got attached this badd you guys should seriously ask the girls in your local city's or areas questions like how many of them suffer from depression and low self esteem, how many come from abusive family's and how many were sexually assulted, you would be shocked at how many girls suffer low self esteem and depression, one group in vancouver that is trying to help sikh girls build self esteem cause their bin cases were punjabi girls have bin lured into prostitution were they bin given drugs by their boyfriends then once addicted they are pimped, this group had taken a poll and asked over 200 teenage sikh girls to fill out a card were they could hide their names and were asked if they suffer low self esteem or depression, if they love themselves if they come from abusive family's if they bin sexually assulted, and from what i was told more then half the girls suffer some sort of low self esteem, which is a huge problem i think, and the amount of girls suffering depression and low self worth and girls that have bin sexually assulted but to scared to say anything is shocking, honestly try taking a poll on girls in your local city's areas or uni's were girls can be asked and hide their names if they suffer low self esteem and so on, you would be shocked by the numbers also take into account how many girls feel neglected by their family's considering in punjabi culture when a boy is born he is treated like a king and the girl is treated like a burden on the family, no wonder so many girls have low self esteem and suffer depression, and no wonder in places like england its so easy for sikh girls to run away with muslims, also the amount of sikh girls that are sexually assulted at young ages but can't say anything is shocking, honestly these issues need to be addressed and when so many girls suffer depression or low self esteem or come from abusive homes and so on its no wonder that you find so many girls with mini skirts up to their behinds in clubs drunk out of their minds dancing with random guys, sleeping with different men, and so on

with this girl their must of bin something wrong in her mind for her to be that obbsessed, low self esteem problems at home like abusive child hood or sexual abuse but honestly guys its not brain washing look at the root of the problem, i want you guys to do something cause something like this just got done at a school in vancouver, take a surveey of young sikh girls in your areas and see how many of them suffer from low self esteem, depression, how many have suffered sexual abuse, and how many have suffered physical abuse, how many come from homes were the mother is beaten on regular basis i saw some of the numbers of how many girls suffer depression and so on and then it makes sence why we have so many girls getting drunk wearing short skirts jumping on random guys at clubs drunk out of their minds and sleeping around think about it how easy you think it is for a muslim to pick up a sikh girl who comes from an abusive home and what about htis stuff in punjabi culture were the boy is favoured over the girl, no wonder so many girls suffer low self esteem and depression, punjabi culture is boys being favoured over girls, no wonder its easy for muslims in uk to sleep with sikh girls

if you use hitting and the only way to disipline kids they'll find way's to hide things from their parants, believe me i know everyone in my age group got hit and all they learned to do was how to hide the bad stuff from parants have open communication with both son's and daughters teach them a strong work ethic good morals build up their self esteem and disipline them as in take away things from them and i think sometimes its ok to smack the son just to make him a man so he doesn't grow up as a cry baby. If you want to talk about disiplining daughters their our classes now in vancouver to help young punjabi and other indo canadian girls build up their self esteem, and one thing that needs to be done is we need to destroy this cultural thinking of how the boy is favoured over the girl the boy is raised and given everything and the girl is a burden on the family cause this destroy's a girls self esteem, making her feel like a prisoner makes them rebel, what parants need to do is build their daughters self esteem teach them good morals have open communication with them and trust them and and if a girl has a close relationship with her parants she isn't going to do anything that could risk shaming her parants, she'll think about her parants first now most these girls who drink go to party after party jumping from guy to guy and sleeping with different men running away from home doing drugs usually have low self esteem and don't have the best relationship with their family's

Sikhs have no problem in Pakistan .. end of go to Nanakana Sahib with the Jatha and see for youself,twadeh thar sapph larda rehnda,If you want to ahead and believe the exaggerated Indian Media and so on go do so, just for your info Sikhs were caught drug dealing and were fined what you want us to say??? And before you and cool water harp on about Gurdwareh being blown up and so on due to this so called threat I can assure you and others not ONE Gurdwara will be touched on destroyed you have my word,if you have never been to Pakistan and never seen the ground reality then how can you sit here and go on about us you praise muslims cause you fear india

go ask panthic.org who have articles of sikh muslim friendship groups or whatever, i hate these sikhs who suck up to pakistanis, and those same sikhs won't say anything to tthese muslims for the insults and rapes these pakistanis cause on sikhs, how many sikh girls bin kidnapped and raped in india while panthic weekly sucks up to them

well sikh freedom fighters who fought for india's freedom against england, who were some famous freedom fighters cause i can only find 3

i know of bhagat singh udham singh and kartar singh, do you guys know of any others

lol what you get when you have a far left liberal government allowing anyone into england and europe and giving out welfare to everyone who comes to england and europe and giving them housing even when they don't want to work

its good to see people are trying to get to the root of the problem

documantry called warriors religion trying to explain the indo canadian gang prob http://www.warriorsreligion.com/about/press-kit/trailer

South Vancouver gangs responsible for 100 shootings in past two years: Police Project Rebellion credited with stemming tide of violence by two rival groups <H1 id=photocaption>Vancouver police Chief Jim Chu credits Project Rebellion, an anti-gang initiative, with slowing a wave of shootings between rival gangs. Five arrests were announced for a variety of weapons charges Friday.</H1><H2 id=photocredit>Photograph by: Nick Procaylo file, The Province</H2>VANCOUVER — Police have arrested members of rival southeast Vancouver gangs they say are responsible for over 100 recent shootings. "We've always been told by media experts to never say or admit there is a gang war," said VPD Chief Jim Chu. "Well, let's get serious. There is a gang war and it's serious." Chu announced Friday the arrests of five gangsters of the Sanghera group and the Buttar group who "are killing each other for profit and territory." Udham Singh Sanghera, the 58-year-old leader of the Sanghera group, faces seven gun and ammunition charges. His lieutenant, Gordon Robert Taylor, 42, faces 12 gun charges. Barjinder "Bobby" Singh Sanghera, 31, faces eight gun-related charges. Police say they took down Bobby Sanghera as he was "in hunting mode" on the way to do a shooting. A bulletproof vest and three handguns were seized from his vehicle. Arrested from the Buttar-Malli group is former Red Scorpion Tejinder Singh Malli, 24, and 28-year-old Bimal Datt Sharma. Both are facing one count of break and enter. Police say they were arrested during what would have been a violent grow-rip. The arrests were part of Project Rebellion, which concentrates on the most violent of Vancouver's gangster population. Chu said police are prepared to arrest gangsters on any crimes they can. "As long as it gets them off the street and into a jail cell, where innocent members of the public can't be hurt, we'll continue to pursue them this way," he added. Insp. Mike Porteous, team commander of Project Rebellion, credited the two rival groups for 100 shootings in the last two years. Since the project's inception, there have only been three fatal gang shootings in Vancouver — none have been associated with the strife between the two groups, he said. The Buttar part of the Buttar-Malli gang is headed by Manjit "Manny" Singh Buttar. Buttar is the former bodyguard of Bindy Johal. His brother arranged Johal's hit. http://www.theprovince.com/news/Vancouver+...1497/story.html

it has nothing to do with being pindos, its the stupid mentality were boys are valued and girls are objects

who cares if he cut his hair or not its his life and no one has the right to judge anyone

i believe every person can accomplish any goal they want to i believe its a gift from god that gives the ability to do that so personally i want all govt stop spending and start saving and paying down their debts especially the united states, so they can strengthen their dollars giving it more buying power and i also want govt's to cut taxes and cut govt cause i believe govt are dumb politicans and best thing for them to do is get out of the ppl's way and the ppl will fix this problem, entroponours engineers and problem solvers in society will create the buisnesses and jobs and solve the problems cause all govt does is solve short term and make things worste for long term or just make things worste

alot of these guys who beat their own wives for no reason but cause their drunk need a huge beating themselves

how can we as a community find solutions to these problems we definitily need a punjabi hotline for women to call when they feel like they are in dangour or being abused verbally or physicall or both and these men need to be bashed and have their privates ripped off

or warren buffet lol be fearfull when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearfull basicully meaning when it comes to investing, invest when others are scared and sell when everyone is buying

Online Edition Monday - February 09, 2009 Top Stories Lead StoryLocal NewsLink IndiaLink PunjabContact Us Another Tearful Story Of A Woman Who Paid With Her Life For Canada TORONTO - Hours before she flew to Toronto on May 3, 2006, Amandeep Kaur Dhillon sat in her room chatting with Pawandeep Benipal – her sister, best friend and confidante. She told her younger sibling to take care of their parents and to study hard. Outside, neighbours and friends gathered. When it came time to leave for the airport everyone was teary, but Amandeep kept smiling, laughing and cracking jokes. "She was so excited she was going to Canada to join her husband," said Pawandeep. When she saw her next, Amandeep was lying in a casket, a long gash running down one side of her face and smaller knife wounds on her forehead. Amandeep, 22, was found stabbed to death at a grocery store in Mississauga on New Year's Day. Her father-in-law, Kamikar Singh Dhillon, 47, is charged with first-degree murder. Amandeep's family has been left grieving with few answers. The slaying has also shaken the South Asian community and again raised concerns about the lack of social support for immigrant women, particularly young brides who leave their home and family behind, to live with another family they hardly know. Some endure a life of isolation and extreme hardship, with the hope their own family – which has invested heavily in dowry money – will one day join them in Canada. Amandeep had turned 18 in 2005 and was studying at a college in northern India, when her parents, Kulwant Kaur and Avtar Singh Benipal, told her a family in Toronto was keen to marry their son, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, to her. Everything happened in a matter of a few weeks: two men and a woman – common friends – came to meet her one evening in October. They asked a few questions, took some photographs and left a photo of the young man, a beefy 26-year-old with a boyish face. The next day, they phoned to say the wedding should take place on Nov. 11. Amandeep's family was thrilled. No one had met the boy or his parents, or asked any questions, but it didn't matter. He lived in Canada. An arranged marriage to someone living in North America was seen as a step to prosperity not only for the bride but eventually her family too. Iqbal Singh Benipal, a friend of the family who lives in Brampton, said when the groom is from Canada or the United States, "Not many people care to even meet the guy before the wedding. It happens all the time in Punjab." In this case, the boy's relatives had assured Amandeep's family she would be happy. The family didn't argue when dowry was settled at roughly $54,000, an excessive amount but seen as an investment in their own future. This was in addition to $15,000 the family spent on a lavish three-day wedding that was attended by more than 600 guests. A month after the wedding, Amandeep's parents were asked by her in-laws to send an extra $2,500 to Canada or her immigration papers would not be filed. Her father, Avtar, pawned his wife's jewellery and sent the money. For Avtar, a farmer who grows mostly rice and wheat on nearly 5 hectares of land, a small-sized holding in Punjab, it was a lot of money. He sold some land, borrowed from family and friends and mortgaged his house. "It was very tough but we didn't mind," said Avtar. "We just wanted Aman to be happy." Dowries were outlawed in India in 1961 but it is common for the groom's side to seek a dowry and for the bride's side to provide one. The dowry – cash and gifts – is meant to smooth their daughter's move into the new home. Though rarely talked about in Punjab, it is understood that when a son or daughter marries and moves to North America or England, they will apply for their family to join them. Amandeep was expected to do the same for her parents, her sisters Pawandeep, 20 and Jasvir, 16, and brother Rajvir, 12. When she flew to Canada in May 2006 to join her husband, her family was already counting the days until they would follow. The first couple of months that Amandeep was in Canada, she lived with her husband and father-in-law in a basement apartment in Malton. Within two weeks, she was working in a factory in Brampton. At first, she met people from her village at their homes or the Sikh temple. Slowly all changed. Her phone calls to India became irregular and when she was invited, along with her husband and father-in-law, for a get-together she made excuses. When she did leave the house, she was always with her father-in-law or husband, say her extended family in Brampton. "She was here for more than two years and I met her only about five or six times," said Kirandeep Basran, a cousin who lives in Brampton."She came to my house twice and barely stayed for 10 minutes each time." Basran says whenever someone called Amandeep, her father-in-law or husband either picked up the extension or switched on the speakerphone. "I started to worry about her and so I called up her husband one day," said Basran. "He abused me, screamed and told me never to call again." This was early 2007 and Amandeep was about eight months pregnant. A few days later, Amandeep phoned her cousin and asked her not to phone or visit. "I didn't want to aggravate things for her," said Basran, who next met Amandeep when her son, Manmohan Singh, was born on March 1, 2007. "Even when I went to see Aman and her son, the father-in-law hovered around." Basran asked him if she could take Aman and the baby for a few days but "he refused." In India, Amandeep's family was thrilled she had a baby boy and seemed to be settling into her new life. In the weeks after the birth, Amandeep spoke to her parents only about her son. "After the baby was born, she looked and sounded happy for some time," said Karamjeet Benipal, Iqbal's wife. The family is from the same village as Amandeep's. But ten months later, in January 2008, the baby was sent to India to be brought up by his paternal grandmother. Two weeks after that, however, the baby was sent to Amandeep's parents. Amandeep never saw him again. Soon after, Amandeep started working at an Indian grocery store run by her father-in-law on Airport Rd. in Malton. Neighbours at the family's Brandon Gate Dr. home in Malton say Amandeep and her father-in-law left for work as early as 7 a.m. every day. The owner of a pizza store in the plaza, Anil Dhodi, recalled a "very hardworking" Amandeep serving customers or cleaning and stocking shelves. Another woman, a regular at the Malton store, told the Star how Amandeep spoke fondly of her family and had tears in her eyes whenever she talked about her son. At the store, Amandeep listened to music and talked to customers, but when left alone would hurriedly call Basran or her sister in India. In mid-March, Amandeep phoned her family in Punjab – her voice full of excitement – and told her father their immigration papers had been filed. "That's what her father-in-law told her," said Iqbal. Baldev Mutta knows the stories of immigrant women all too well. The executive director of the Punjabi Community Health Centre in Brampton says hundreds of young Punjabi brides arrive in Canada every year. Many have arranged marriages. "They don't know anyone, don't have any support system and battle pressures most people can't even imagine exist," he said. In the Punjabi culture, men are raised to be dominant while women are expected to be subservient. "The level of thinking of men in the Punjabi community leaves a lot to be desired," said Mutta, a Punjabi himself. Mutta, who runs programs at four Sikh temples in Brampton, Rexdale, Malton and Oakville, and hosts a radio show, wishes he had been able to reach Amandeep. Some women are so isolated that they are not allowed to have any communication even with their parents, said Kripa Sekhar, executive director of the South Asian Women's Centre on Lansdowne Ave. in Toronto. "There are times when we get emails or phone calls from a woman's family saying they haven't heard from her ever since she came to Canada, can we check on her," says Sekhar. In some cases women, bruised and beaten, have been locked up in their homes, not allowed to make or receive any calls. "It's a problem women face everywhere, but what is unique among South Asians is that we don't acknowledge it or want to talk about it." Basran recalls getting a call from Amandeep in January 2008. "Amandeep was sobbing on the phone," the cousin recalls. "She was hysterical. She said `my parents have spent so much money on me ... I have to get them here first.' She believed everything would be okay once they got here." On Dec. 15, 2008, Basran stopped by the store on her way to Pearson airport. She was flying to India and wanted to know if Amandeep had any message for her parents. "Aman had tears in her eyes. She just told me to give her son a big hug from her." Weeks before, Amandeep had also called Pawandeep. The sisters cried on the phone. They spoke again two weeks before Amandeep died and there were more tears. "She said we (the family) would be soon joining her and everything would be fine then. She didn't want to jeopardize our chances of getting to Canada." Pawandeep, flanked by her parents, is sitting in the spacious living room of a north Brampton home owned by members of their extended family. The three arrived in Toronto on Jan. 9, the night before Amandeep's funeral. It has been a tough few weeks. First, a Peel Region police officer called to break the news about Amandeep's death. Then police told her father sponsorship papers for the family had never been filed. Police won't comment on the case. The family waited for two days to get a travel visa for Canada. Hours after they arrived, they drove to the funeral home to view their daughter's battered body. Avtar spoke to his daughter a day before she was killed. It was his birthday on Dec. 31. He had turned 46. "She wished me happy birthday and said she hoped my next birthday would be celebrated in Canada," he said, shaking his head. He looks tired and distraught. His wife, Kulwant, sits next to him, tears streaming down her face, her shoulders sagging. "I think we were numb after we heard about Aman. That everything was based on lies ... sunk in much later," says Pawandeep. "We hope Aman didn't know about it when she died. It's what she lived for." Before Peel police called, the family says they received a strange call from Amandeep's mother-in-law in India. Harjinder Kaur Cheema warned them they would get a call from the police `but don't get worried ... ' That's what she told me," says Avtar. Amandeep's husband called them 30 hours after she had died, says Pawandeep. They've barely spoken to him since they arrived. The husband, his sister, and other relatives, who attended and paid for the funeral, declined to speak to the Star. What's to say? asks Iqbal, the friend with whom Amandeep's parents are now staying. "Amandeep's gone. We want to see what happens with the father-in-law now." The day after the funeral, people stream in to Iqbal's home to mourn. Everyone is heartbroken. Iqbal's wife, Karamjit, says she called the funeral home before the ceremony, wanting to bathe and dress Amandeep according to Sikh tradition. She was told there were too many wounds on her body. Amandeep's mother, Kulwant, is inconsolable as she hears this. Bobby Benipal, another family friend, wonders if he or others in the community could have done something. "She was from my village (in India). I feel like I've let her down." Pawandeep holds a framed photo of her sister. In the photo, Amandeep is wearing a pink salwar-kameez, a Punjabi dress. "She dreamed of a better life for herself and her family. All she wanted was to live happily with her husband and son like any other woman." Amandeep's parents don't know what they will do next. They haven't even started thinking of their mounting debts or the future of their three children. All they know is that they don't want to stay in Canada for long. "I just want my daughter's ashes," says Kulwant. "I don't want to stay long in the country where my daughter was killed." Courtesy The Toronto Star