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Been watching these brilliantly researched videos by respected patarkar Surinder Singh. They provide a real insight into the political ongoings,  uprisings of the Sikhs and of course treachery and injustices pre and post the events of the 1978 Amritsar Saka. Personally on the 4th video and thoroughly recommend watching.

Father gave me the complete MP3 set almost a decade ago, came across it online recently. For me one of the best recitations of Gurbani and shudh enough for most. Enjoy!

http://www.gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/listing.php?q=f&f=%2F04-Katha%2F12-Amrit+Bani+(12+CD+Set)%2F01-Paath+Sri+Guru+Granth+Sahib+Ji+-+Volume+1

On 4/26/2018 at 5:16 PM, ADMIN said:

So I am trying to install the SSL Certs as I type this. So you will see the sites go offline every now and then today.

Good work.  

Agree with @BhForce points. Please implement asap.

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

We should merely be concerned with their stance on Sikh issues.

Singh,

I don't understand why you're singling out politicians for special treatment. The same rules apply to anyone claiming to be a Sikh. 

Hypothetically speaking and yes this an extreme example; if in the loosest sense of the word a "Sikh" is raising their voice the loudest for Khalistan, rehai for imprisoned Singh's, justice for genocide, Punjab rights as per Anandpur resolution etc, but is clandestinely visiting brothel's, doing drugs or other illegitimate base activities going against grain of Sikh teachings, would you be happy to be represented by them? I certainly wouldn't.

Please elaborate what was his stance on women, with examples. 

8 hours ago, simran345 said:

There’s Bhai Lakhwinder Singh too, I think he has visual problems, but I’m not sure what exactly.

Bhai Sahib is blind, these are called soorma Singh's. 

There is a well known kirtani school aka Vadda Dera established in 1859 by Sant Shuddh Singh and later for the visually impaired in Daudhar pind, Moga Dist. Kirtanis such as Gian Singh Surjeet who are no longer with us trained there and I might need to be corrected but I think Sital Singh Sitara as well. 

7 hours ago, Guest Husband=Sikh said:

Her husband's name is Sunny Singh Chopra and he is a Sikh who attends Smethwick Gurdwara.

Thanks for the clarification. 

Now back to IF marriages in general can someone find me a rehatnama or for that matter one of our reference teekai used by Kathakaars that a Sikh can marry a non Sikh. 

5 hours ago, Guest Inder Indira said:

Well done for just spouting the Hindutva line of we need fewer and fewer Sikhs 

Oh the irony. Stop hiding behind your narakdhari idol's ID and reveal who you really are, je jurat hai and I might respond to your claptrap.

4 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

At first I was neutral about the banning of Indian officials in western Gurdwaras

As far as I'm aware they are not banned, they simply cannot use them as platforms to push political agendas from stages.

Oh and I look forward to the confused emoji's.

3 hours ago, Guest WakeUp Coffee said:

 

Scenario 1 ( year 2018)

Preet Kaur Gill is banned from getting married at her Gurdwara.

She is then therefore forced to get married in a Mandir

Then her children are raised as Hindu's since parents banned from Gurdwara.

 

Scenario 2 ( year 2009)

Preet Kaur Gill and her husband marry at her childhood Gurdwara

The husband is now a regular attendee at Gurdwara known as Mr S.Singh.

The children are regular attendees of the Gurdwara to this day.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee Inderjit Singh Ji.

Sikhs are 0.7% of the UK population. Given that 99.3% of people in the UK are non-Sikh it is 100% inevitable that people will marry "out" for want of a better word. The question then becomes do we want to integrate the new partner into the Sikh Panth for Sarbat da Bhalla and do we want to ensure their children and future generations are part of the Gurdwara Sangat and Sikh Panth?

Scenario 1 is a dream scenario for all haters of the Sikh Panth as it guarantees the eventual demographic destruction of the Sikh Panth in overseas countries. And with Sikhs likely to become a minority in Punjab some time between 2021 to 2031 then a minority which alienates its own adherents away from the faith will only get smaller and smaller if we do not wake up and smell the coffee.

34 years after the Pakistani Genocide in 1947 pretty much everybody had forgotten about how 20% of Sikhs were killed there. Given that the percentage of Sikh murder victims at the hands of the Congress (Indira) Genocide after 1984 were less than 1% of the Sikh population back then we need to wake up and smell the coffee about how most people will think in 2018.

Especially with Sikhs being a minority in Doaba already but soon overall in Punjab if we don't get our act together in focussing on what matters in terms of poor children's education, increasing sehajdhari Sikh numbers throughout Punjab, India and Africa and uniting every Pind under a single Gurdwara.

If we focus on pointless diaspora referendums whilst drugs, cancer, poverty and caste divisions are flourishing then the blame will lie with us not our enemies. Instead of plane loads of Sikh pilgrims descending on Pakistan in 2019 perhaps we ought to plead with them to spend that same money on ensuring poor Sikh children get an education in Punjab and ensuring that poor Sikh cancer patients can get healthcare without needing to convert.

Thankfully, I don't drink Coffee.

I'll keep my reply short as I don't have the time now, but Sikhi is a niara panth we accept quality over quantity everytime. We coped perfectly fine after the Vada Ghallughara when our numbers were in the few thousands and Sikhi according to Bhai Jagraj Singh in one of his videos is one of the fastest growing faiths. We have no need to mix with other faiths (in the context of marriage) and shouldn't as per maryada. 

12 hours ago, S4NGH said:

We don't know if that is the case. As I said, judge her for her political work. We finally have some representation in parliament in a fairly prominent position who is actually willing to speak up about our issues (unlike Paul uppal and lord Singh). Are we trying to push her away too?

We don't, hence why I used 'if' and my response was more to you stating 'what does it matter'. Considering her father's standing in society and previous active role in Smethwick, I'd be disappointed if she married a Hindu. Without knowing the full facts, I'll leave it at that.

6 hours ago, Guest who said:

May I ask what the bj in your name stands for?

VJ in Punjabi

Looks like the confused boothi bunch is out in force tonight 

5 hours ago, S4NGH said:

What does it matter? Judge her for what she is actively doing for us Sikhs. Judge her for her stance against india; her fight for Jagtar Singh Jaggi. She's a politician; judge her for her politics. Not her marriage/husband. Tfs it to you?? 

Is it ok for us to accept interfaith marriage, if it took place at the GuruGhar, providing the person in question then works for Sikh rights?

On 20/03/2018 at 7:00 AM, S1ngh said:

Yes. He did. He used to hold camps in california and had to cancel most of them once there was a bit movement to put stop on his manmats. It was huge surprise to me when khalsa camp uk invited him as a speaker. He started many projects, including sunday school syllabus- which once a famous california gurdwara teachers and sewadars announced to boycott sunday school over his manmat. He is the person who likes to change stuff and test the waters of the sangat. For example- in syllabus he said.. "Guru manyao Panth" instead of "Guru Manyao Granth". He also edited Guru jees signature etc.  

This was posted here in 2009, very much in line with missionary soch: 

Waheguru Je Kha Khalsa, Waheguru Je Ke Fateh:

I just wanted to chime in as I see this thread has had some recent activity in light of the recent controversy surrounding the Sojhi curriculum at Fremont Gurdwara which I understand has now been removed...

I'd like to thank everyone who has weighed in so far. I continue to believe that there is a great deal of potential for an entity like the Sikh Research Institute. As mentioned in my original post, they have done some good work such as helping with the making of the Widow Colony. But the good that they do should not give them a pass when they are wrong. I am convinced, now more than ever, that the worldwide sangat, particularly those here in North America need to stand up and refute some of what Harinder Singh is saying.

Just to recap, here is a sampling of the more controversial aspects of Harinder Singh's "research" courtesy of Panthic Weekly:

Do not believe in Dasam Granth

Promote meat eating

Promote pre-marital dating, do not allow parents in their camps

Promote 3 bani nitnem with only 6 pauri Anand Sahib

Do not believe in reading gurbani for our soul, only for research

Believe Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a book of knowledge and not Pargat Guran Ki Deh

Carry Guru Ji in suitcases to their camps etc

Do not believe in Chaur Sahib, Parsad bhog, Guru Ji's bastar and other daily sewa

Has changed Gurmantar from Waheguru to Vahguru

Has removed reference to Sri Nankana Sahib from Ardas

Has changed Dohre - from Guru Manyo Granth to Guru Panth

Has disrespected Guru Ji by saying Dasam Pita Ji was saved by sikhs in Chamkaur (vs Guru saves us all)

Has written disrespectful things about Pancham Pita's shaheedi and believe if Sukhmani Sahib could not save Guru ji from hot tavi, how can it help a sikh's problems

I'm all for people having an opinion but he should be prepared to back these up. Ideally he would participate in a debate similar to the one that the Singhs in Toronto had with Kala Afghana a few years back. Bhai Bhinderpal Singh would strike me as a good person to participate in such a debate. From everything that I have heard, Harinder has so far refused to participate in a debate each time he has been requested to do so. I think we should try and identify folks within the community who are just as articulate as he is and tackle each one of his blasphemous assertions...just my two cents.

5 hours ago, S1ngh said:

They are part of sikhri harinder singh based out of US. Not a good guy at all. Too many controversies surrounding him. Punjab’s PDL started by him but I guess they are bit independent but I WILL never trust them. 

Isn't he the same guy spearheading the free Akal Takhat movement? Had no idea he started PDL and what controversies..

Sikhi is khaneo tikhi, valo Niki. Unless there are instant results people become weak and expect Guru Sahib to work miracles in their favour. There is no easy answer it's a hard slog for everyone, until you reach the stage of sehaj and have complete control of senses and 5 chor. It's for the reasons you've outlined emphasis has been placed on increasing naam and performing Ardas. This is why Mahapurash perform immense  naam kamai to burn sanchit karams and thus form a close bond with Vaheguru Ji. Without this effort we have little chance of finding inner peace, the only other way is direct kirpa 'bin bhaga Satsang na labhai, bin Sangat mail bhareejai jeeo'.

1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

Are you sure there is a "singh" in his name?  I've only seen "Sureash Chopra" written in articles.

Anyway, you are right that that is an odd name for a Sikh.  "Sureash" sounds like a Hindu name.  But from his last name, you can tell that he comes from a Punjabi Khatri background, and the Punjabi Khatri community comprises both Hindus and Sikhs.  Hindu and Sikh Khatris often intermarry, and it is not uncommon for Hindu Khatris to go to the Gurdwara and adopt some Sikh practices (and for Sikh Khatris to go to the Mandir and adopt some Hindu practices).  It's a very hybrid community, which may explain the odd-sounding name.

Her wiki page has inserted Singh, it's possible they are trying to legitimise the relationship. I'm really not concerned about Singh's finding like minded partners, is it really such a big issue? 

On ‎14‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 9:46 AM, Guest room said:

I have seen desi dogs that eat roti, daal, sabji.

I also heard of a dog that went into an Amrit Sanchar too. S Hari Singh Randhawa mentioned it. The dog wouldn't leave. I forgot the full story maybe someone will share. 

A dog entered the open space where the sanchar was taking place, the Singh's tried to chase it away a few times but the dog would circle around and return. Eventually it ended up under the manji sahib. Once the sanchar had taken place, this dog came and licked Amrit boonda from the floor. When Hari Singh asked vadhay Mahapurakh about what would happen to the dog, they said for sure it will achieve manukha janam once again, it was vadbhagi as it persisted. This was one of the incidents the ignorant types in Canada latched on to and turned it into the headline 'Hari Singh gives Amrit to a Dog'.....I mean even he asked them how ridiculous this sounded yet they had no response.

OP, Guru Kalgidhar Pita kept a peregrine falcon, of course the diet is small mammals. So just because you are a veggie/vegan or whatever you should not restrict animals eating what they were supposed to. In the case of domesticated dogs, it might be the case a veg diet is better suited, I think it might depend on the type of dog in the first instance.

3 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

That isn't her husband.  That is her brother

 

 

 

Not only is her husband NOT amritdhari, but he's NOT even a singh.  This is her with her husband:

 

 

 

 

No offense to Preet Gill/Shergill.  She seems to be doing good work in parliament so far.  I just wish people would not spread misinformation.

Guys name is Suresh Singh Chopra - that is an odd name for a Sikh!!

On ‎10‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 10:47 PM, sitokaur said:

Below is video of Delhi Gurduara Bhai Manjit Singh proving indian govt has not ceased causing Sikhs pain in india, abroad, especially when Sikhs abroad act to support UK Scott Jaggi, with ban visits by indian diplomats to Gurduaras.

Manjit GK along with Badal, is one of the biggest sell outs. He calls himself a firm Hindustani, the moorakh thinks he was closer to Sant Jarnail Singh than anyone else and even more amusing is he thinks Sant Ji never talked about Khalistan. He has also made false allegations against SFJ, claiming they are extorting money by filing lawsuits in the US court, his family had close ties to I Gandhi, he never challenged BJP on Operation Bluestar being a "largely civil disobedience"....list is endless!

24 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

it could be yooooou!

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