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  1. True that we're suppose to do simran continuously, bro, but that's not what we're talking about. People were asking whether to do simran first or do paath first (while doing simran with each breath, of course). When you say "there is no any before or after this", that is literally wrong. Did you not read the Gurbani line quoted above? ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ Afterwards at sun rise he sings Gurbani and whilst sitting or standing he meditates in God's Name. p305 ਫਿਰਿ. Meaning "then" or "after". Gurbani is clearly saying do simran then Gurbani.
  2. I agree with this. If you're a rebel army without a prison system, how can you keep a prisoner without a prison?
  3. Bro, that's the entire point. Jesus didn't write anything. Other people (anonymous) wrote stuff. They wrote that Jesus quoted from Psalms. Whether he did or didn't we have no idea. And we don't have to. We just see Gurbani as complete. Anything else, if it is in accord with Gurbani, can be quoted as Maskeen ji used to. But we don't have to go around making truth claims for other scriptures.
  4. It should also be mentioned that the maryada (which probably most of us don't follow, but the puratan Singhs in the homeland do) is to listen Asa di Vaar in the morning, and you can do simran while you are doing so.
  5. First, I think you're assuming that Jesus did actually say that. Maybe he did, in which case I don't know what it's supposed to mean. But he certainly didn't write those words. There are no writings whatsoever by Jesus. The Gospel ascribed to Matthew is not necessarily written by the supposed Apostle Matthew. This is a later church tradition. There are no full copies of the Bible books until hundreds of years later. Given all of this, one wonders if Jesus said that. Which suggests the possibility of going down rabbit holes which start off by what "someone said".
  6. For a Sikh book written in easy Punjabi, read Se Kinehiya: https://www.amazon.com/Kinehiya-English-Sant-Sewa-Singh-ebook/dp/B08P2465WG/ You can read PDFs on Kindle this way: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/read-pdf-on-kindle.html After Se Kinhehiya, you may want to read this (also easy Punjabi): https://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Roop-Gobind-Ka-Raaj-Khalsa-Ka-Sikka-Sone-Ka-By-Bhai-Rama-Singh-Ji Once you've read these, you can read standard works like Bhai Vir Singh ji, etc. And then the classics like Panth Prakash (hard).
  7. Yes, this is what Guru ji says: ਸਉਦੇ ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਉਚਰਹਿ ਉਠਦੇ ਭੀ ਵਾਹੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥ Such people (uchreh) utter (vaahu vaahu) praises of the Almighty (saude) when going to sleep and (karen) do it (uthde) when they get up; ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਜਿ ਨਿਤ ਉਠਿ ਸੰਮਾਲੇਨਿ ॥੧॥ Nanak bright are the faces of those who daily arise early and remember God. p312
  8. As far as I can see, Gurbani recommends both approaches. Basically: Question:Gurbani or Gurmanter? Answer: Yes. ਮਃ ੪ ॥ 4th Guru. ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ He, who calls himself a Sikh of the Great True Guru, should rise early and meditate on God's Name. ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥ He should make efforts early in the morning take bath and have ablution in the tank of Nectar. ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ By repeating Lords God's Name under Guru's instruction all his sins misdeeds and accusations are wiped off. ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ Afterwards at sun rise he sings Gurbani and whilst sitting or standing he meditates in God's Name. p305 Kabir ji: ਕੋਈ ਗਾਵੈ ਕੋ ਸੁਣੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ Some sing, some listen while focusing the mind on God's Name. ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਸੰਸਾ ਨਹੀ ਅੰਤਿ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥੪॥੫੫॥ Says Kabir, doubtlessly (both) obtain the highest state at last. p335
  9. Gurbani says to be absorbed in God, don't bother with others, and God will take care of you: ਮਨੁ ਬੇਧਿਆ ਦਇਆਲ ਸੇਤੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ My soul is pierced by the Merciful Master, O my mother. ਕਉਣੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਪੀਰ ਪਰਾਈ ॥ Who knows the pain of another? ਹਮ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਿੰਤ ਪਰਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ I don't worry about others. Pause. p588
  10. There are a few specific examples given in Sikh History (Sakhis). Such as Moola Khatri. But you should also know that it was (I believe) Sant Bhindrawale who said that while it may be the case that a specific action will lead to a specific reincarnation, it is not our place to make assumptions the other way: I.e., look at someone who is poor or whatever and assert that they did something specifically bad in the previous life. That's God's domain. All we need to be concerned with is to live life as Guru ji told us and we'll get the reward of that.
  11. Just for context, this is that Shabad by Bhagat Trilochan ji: ਗੂਜਰੀ ॥ Gujri. ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the last moment, he has thinks of wealth and dies in such a thought, ਸਰਪ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੧॥ is born again and again as the serpent species. ਅਰੀ ਬਾਈ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਤਿ ਬੀਸਰੈ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ O sister do not ever forget the Name of the Master of the world. Pause. ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the last moment, he who thinks of a woman, and dies in such a thought, ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੨॥ he is born again and again as a prostitute. ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲੜਿਕੇ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the last moment, he who thinks of the sons and dies in such a thought, ਸੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੩॥ he is born again as the swine species. ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਮੰਦਰ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the last moment, he who thinks of mansions and if he dies in such thought, ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੪॥ he is born again and again as a goblin. ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ At the last moment, he who thinks the Lords, and if he dies in such a thought; ਬਦਤਿ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਪੀਤੰਬਰੁ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸੈ ॥੫॥੨॥ Says Tirlochan, that man is emancipated and the yellow - robed Lord abides in his heart. This shabad makes no sense in the Missionary paradigm. They claim avagavan (going back and forth, i.e., reincarnation) refers to man going to good thoughts vs bad thoughts. Quite a stretch, but sometimes they could make it work. They can't make it work here. I mean, why is Gurbani referring to "ant kaal" (end time)? Then the word Avtar. And the pesky word Jon(i). I.e., yoni, or literally birth canal or life. It's very clear this shabad is in reference to end-of-life. What sense would it make for a young man who doesn't have sons? Or a wife?
  12. I'm trying to understand your point, could you explain it further? I made the point that Gurbani says sinners will be punished, but plenty of sinners aren't punished in this world, so therefore there must be next world where they are punished. Where were you trying to go with your point? Secondly, could you explain how Harnaksh and Ravan got mukti? Gurbani says God killed the evil Harnaksh: ਹਰਣਾਖਸੁ ਦੁਸਟੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦੁ ਤਰਾਇਆ ॥ Wicked Harnakhsh, the Lord killed and saved Prehlad. p451
  13. I actually think the separate app is a good idea. Wedging more stuff into the existing Gurbani apps will just make them overloaded. It's hard enough already to get volunteers to do "arth" (meanings) seva in the Gurdwara. A simple interface to do one thing (arth) is good. Having a dozen different menus and dozens of submenus for apps wedged in would be a bad thing.
  14. Bro, there's already a thread on reincarnation. Could you repost there? And I will respond.
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