randip singh

Look mate....we're not going to agree........as long as you don't vote Tory or for the Right wing .......thats fine with me......... :T: I could go into the finer points about Pensions but I won't.......we won't agree........ :e: Who is your uncle........I may know him because I was involved in quite a bit of Filling in fascists myself and it got me in a lot of trouble unfortunately..............if he's from the East Ham Area and went to school around the 80's at secondary level........he'll definitely know me as one of the East Ham Boys.........I knew quite a few of the Southal and Birmingham Boys.......... Mate making fun of my academic achievements is no laughing matter............at the time in the mid 80's my father was unemployed as well as my brother..............my mother was the only bread winner.............I went to Uni without even getting one quarter of the means tested grant (what a joke) and I see rich kids on full grants and BMW's because their parents have the best accountants......... I bet you have never experienced Balifs at your door taking your furniture away, or your gas and electric being cut off...............I pray you never have to .............not times to be laughed at Actually you were not there, but I have spoken to eyewitnesses of the riots and they have pointed out people involved in the rioting.........AND the majority were Hindu's.........as well as Muslim.......... The army was held up for 3 days by the Congress politicians outside Delhi and when they entered (many were Sardar Jiwans)................they shot a killed many rioters...................that was witnessed by several victims I spoke to.......... ........Indonia will by arms from somewhere else, even if they don't buy them from the UK........ I thought I was adding humour to this dull conversation.....................if I have offended you then accept my apoligies.................PEACE........

….and you’re doing a great job at doing nothing No, but I am out to shut Liberal Goody two shoes people up like you…………….while people like me were demonstrating outside the Old Bailey and Fighting fascists in the East End of London what were you doing?…………….probably weren’t even born…. At least Tory Boys are somewhere on the political spectrum…………you Liberals change your colours like your clothes……… :doh: ......... Proof please and less BS. The Liberal politicians are happy enough to take it too………….so have a dig at them too you hypocrite… More than you think……… Washing dishes and emptying bins is good honourable hard work…………..why do you considerate it as so below you? See this is the problem of you people brought up in your comfortable Middle Class lifestyles…………….you talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk…………..I’ve washed dishes and emptied bins in my lifetime and now I have several degrees under my belt and run successful consultancies which help poorer sections of society gain a stake in society…………. People like you sit in Starbucks sipping your coffees taking snipes………….and thats all you are good for........ I am proud to be seen emptying bins and washing dishes rather than a clueless wannabe…………. Now let me give you a little lesson………….in 1984 when a relative of mine was murdered by Hindu mobs in Delhi………………..the mobs weren’t flying jets…………it was eventually when the Army was let in that the mobs were shot and brought under control……….. …..and are you so naïve that you think India won’t buy arms from other countries like Russia, USA, China etc etc………………its you who is absurd and needs to loosen your pugh………… :cool: I suggest you learn to read full stop……….. Whether you like it or not there are talks over Palestine………………..better men than you and me have tried and failed to solve the crisis……………what hasn’t solved the crisis is people like you who take needless swipes at people who at least TRY! As for Blair being my Uncle……..you’ve definitely got your Kurtas and Pyjamas in a twist and are getting a bit incoherent…………. :doh: This post was a response to a LIE stating that Labour was racist against Sikhs………….and it was to check the naivety of that………….. …………my conscience is clear, whereas clueless people like you criticise for the sake of criticising………….. ……and for your information………….this Kirpan issue was jointly raised by the Lib-Dems (Check my earlier link)…………..so we can see who is playing politics where and who is TRULY naïve :doh:

I agree with you partly………..at Civil Service level, there are mass clearouts underway…. In the organisation I worked for (Governement Quango) the “dead wood” and old “Tory” Boys have just about been cleared out………….it normally takes about two terms just to get your people in place to prevent the inertia at Civil Service level, in getting policies through………… However, at Local Authority level there needs to be a cull of some of these time wasters and managers/directors who have the old views about a job for life…………….ironicly most of these guys I encounter through my consultancy work are old tory boys again……………a lot of these have awarded themselves hefty pay rises with new money available from the Governement for education, etc………….they need to be removed asap………… Actually you are wrong and right…………the minimum wage has helped the poorer sections of society, and the Institute of Fisical Studies has confirmed that those on an income of £40 k plus are actually worse off under Labour………………wheras those on lower incomes than this are better off………….. You say permanent employee, but have you ever tried to sack a Council employee………….it is virtually impossible…………..until you get better accountability and the right balance between rights for workers who work hard and those who just hang on you will need to use casual staff…………… ……….actually some public sector organisations and semi-public sector organisations have a brilliant track record for efficiency……………..but we tend not to talk about those…….. If these stupid Governemnts of India and Pakistan are stupid enough to do that , then I say let them blow each other sky high…………….but relations between the two seem to be easing of late……… Please define Illegal? Is that Attorney General Legal? Kofi Anan Illegal? French illegal? Italian Legal? German illegal?Hungarian legal? Australian legal? Was the 1st World War legal? Was the 2nd World War legal? Was the Korean War legal? Was the Boear War legal?...................it all depends which side of the fence you sit ultimately……… I think the whole issue of legality is a white wash…………….the fact is Sadam’s number was up, one way or another …………….and history will record that taking him out was the right decision………….. …….. ……..and the reason why he (Blair) should be respected is because he ended years of Tory misery and has provided the UK with a steady economy…………by and large he has been a good Prime Minister……..the lowest unemployment in decades and is well on the way to re-building the NHS from the years of neglect by the Tories…………yesterday nights BBC Panorama programme confirmed crime falling since 1998 (and that Michael Howard being dishonest about the figures)………….new schools being built…………new deal for communities………….etc etc

This is sad news……… You have idiots saying that Sikhism only says don’t believe in caste but is silent about race…………..BUT our Guru’s stated “Manas Ki Jaat Ekh Paachano” (Recognise the Human race as one! Jaat mean Social Status, race, Caste etc…..even gender………….descrimination based on “Jaat” is a non no amongst Sikhs yet sections of our community still do it………why? For example in the Uk I have noticed discrimination against immigrants by our Sikhs………….this is wrong too….. We need to be forthright and declare any Sikhs who discriminate based on Jaat as being outside the Paanth………..

Kutas you’ve lost your pyjama There is NOTHING wrong with Socialism, or wishy washy about it…………….Liberal Democrats are just a mish mash of old ex-Right Wing Labour (Social Democrats) and clueless do gooder Liberals………….. …………….but hey yound pretty niave when it comes to politics……. New Labour is about using modern means to re-distribute wealth……….and not your traditional methods such as re-nationalisation, which clearly has been proven not to work……….. Are you a school child……………? The Institute for Fisical Studies, has clearly pointed out that those on lower incomes and with children are clearly better off that those with incomes of £40 K + http://www.ifs.org.uk/wps/wp0221.pdf SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND LESS OF THE SOAPY SPIN! :cool: The Public Sector needs reform (having worked there, I can tell you it is full of wasters) and sorting out and as the IFS has clearly stated the poorer sections of society are better off………… One of the side effects of a successful economy is that you will get richer people and those that have taken risks to start businesses and actually create jobs and wealth should see a return…………..its only fair……. Those on higher incomes will accrue higher pensions and a higher rate………….do I have to give you a lesson in economics too………..? You mean those damn lies?........................40 Labour Governemnt Ministers sign motions to support Sikhs and yet they are racist?....................you need your head examined……………..maybe your pugh is tied to tight? As for Iraq etc if you seriously believe that it was all down to intelligence failures then you are living in dream land. You really have no clue have you? Now let me give you a lesson how Governemnt Works eg Housing……………the Housing Minister will base projected figures on demand and supply on what Civil Servants and Local Authorities tell them from data and figures they collect…………. The same for the MOD…………they rely heavily of intelligence and what their advisors tell them…………. My own take is that war was inevitable with Iraq whether the intelligence was there or not………. The net effect of arms sales or not would be negligible in the case of India…………… I think you live in a political fantasy world……….. Sikhs are not that an important a priority when compared to the NHS, Immigration, the Economy…………that’s a fact………and no party has treated the Kirpan issue as a priority…………….so again…………GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT! Well actually, there are talks going on now over Palestine…………….put your copy of Beano away and start reading the papers……………. :doh: Look Child…………..you stick to spinning your CD’s and records and leave politics and other issues to us adults…… :doh:

I am a A Socialist and Labour represents a spectrum of views ranging from the far left to the center left of politics.................essentialy as IFS figures have confirmed ................it is the party of wealth redistribution............. Maybe you're a wishy washy confused Liberal or a Tory boy..............so you would not understand that.......... As for Iraq..............not to sure about that..........as for deciet...........any governenment is as good as the intelligence it has...............Hutton clearly directed to failures in intelligence....................my own personal feeling is that Sadam had to be taken out of the equation in the Middle East either way.........so the fact he is gone pleases me................. :TH: What about all the hospitals and schools they have built?...........reduced waiting lists?..........more doctors?.............more dentists?............. At least they are raising the Kirpan issue....................and after September the 11th and the stabbing of several kids in schools i.e. Damilola Taylor etc............the issue of knives is a hot potatoe no matter what the political spectrum............ I as a Sikh have reservations about it..................so what are politicians going to do?.............. As for Sikh votes..............they are a mere pin prick in the political arena.................the Muslims are about 2 million strong wheras we are about 0.5 million.............so if they wanted to ..........they could do nothing for us...........but they still are raising issues such as Sikh Human Rights abuses by the GOI............ ........... SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT SUNSHINE! Actually Human Rights do mean something despite selling of arms..............any governement be they Liberal, Labour or Tory would sell arms..................so stop being so naive.......... K SINGH, A lie was perpertrated in the form that Labour Governemnt is racist against Sikhs despite 40 Ministers in the Labour Government and a further 71 Labour MP's supporting Sikhs...................I am just tackling lies and smears posted here by those with a vested political interest.............

Labour MP David Taylor is supporting the right for Sikhs to wear Kirpans..............see below........... http://forums.waheguroo.com/lofiversion/index.ppa/t9955.html

You heard the phrase there are Lies , Damn lies and then Statistics.............add to this Liberal Democrats too............. :e: :cool: No you have NOT presented the facts acurately Governemnt Ministers and Labour Party MP's were greater in number ffor their support for Sikhs than any other party....................maybe you don't understannd the concept of democracy but last time I checked 111 is greater than 63 + 23 (which = 86).................and your statistical spin on the figures is a joke........... ................. in the other post you said the Labour Government was Racist.............this is clearly a DAMN LIE.......... 40 Governemnt Labour Ministers have lent their voice of support to Sikhs yet you claim they are racist............. .................I don't know what your agenda is mate but it is clearly anti-Labour Party and is based on LIES........... :doh: @ Here's some more info on the Kirpan issue which Labour HAS supported.........and also about torture by the GOI against Sikhs............... http://forums.waheguroo.com/lofiversion/index.ppa/t9955.html Here's to another Labour Victory and the Sikh Paanth Moving Forward NOT Backwards!

Singh 47 ............you have hit the nail on the head...................any Historian worth his salt must Critically appraise any eye witness accounts and allow for personal biase the authors may have.......... .......but the books in questions are excellent and I must state again the juvenille statement by Baldeep Singh shows a lake of scholary and maturity on his part............I suppose he's best suited to arguing over tables and chairs........

Hi Jagtar Singh, let me quote the following from the above article; 71 Labour MP's supported the motions about Sikh Human Rights, as opposed to 39 Conservatives and only 20 Liberal-Democrats. On top of this 40 Labour Cabinet Ministers, Juniour Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries have lent their support to the Sikh Federation (UK).......that is 111 Labour MP's.............more than all the other parties put together............SO YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY SKEWED THE FIGURES....... @ .......The question should be asked Bro are you a Tory Boy or a Lib-Dem Supporter........... ..... CLEARLY LABOUR SUPPORTS SIKHS......... :TH: ...........and to add to this in Birmingham the Labour MP Khalid Mahmood was 100% behind the Sikhs after the "Behzti" incident.............. All I ask is for the facts to be presented acurately............ :e: I am unashamedly a Socialist and a Labour supporter and always will be and from my experience they have been the one party that has consistently been behind ethnic minorities like Sikhs...............unlike the racist Tories and the wishy washy Liberals..............

Will all due respect brother .................according to Sikh philosophy we should not have pictures of Guru's or Sant's within the Gurudwara walls............Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is our supreme teacher................not pictures of Sants and Guru's............. This sort of twisted teaching is going to lead us back to Hinduism............... I respect all Sikh Martyrs but do not believe their photo's should be put in Gurudwara's so people can go round bowing to them as they do.......... ..........also when it comes to Politics (Temporal Matters) and Religion (Spiritual Matters).............we have two distinct ententies to deal with them...............at Amritsar we have the Akal Takht (Temporal) and the Harmandhir Sahib (Spiritual)............we need to adopt the same here........... :TH:

All due respect........Baldeep Singh and other...........you guys have no idea....... This book is excellent and an invaluable source of objective eye witness accounts of actual Sikhs....................this is NOT an account of flying monkeys and multiple armed gods and goddess's......or whether we should be using tables and chairs... A Must by for all Sensible and Genuine Sikh Historians! :e:

Evidence For This: Calls for investigations into 1984 Massacre of Sikhs signed by mostly Labour MP's http://www.parliament.the-stationery-offic...109/109we43.htm Labour MP Valerie Davey asks questions over 1984 Genocide againhttp://www.valeriedavey.labour.co.uk/ViewPage.cfm?Page=13961 Labour MP's support Sikhs Wearing the Kirpan http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2005-03-17.221670.h So how idiots can claim Labour is racist against Sikhs is beyond me? @ In fact Labour represents the Sikh values of: wheras Tories definitely DO NOT espose these virtues..........they are a racist party out to screw the poorer sections of society.......... :<Edited>:

Baldeep Singh, With all due respect, you have no idea of what you are talking about This is an excellent must buy book.............it contains invaluable eye witness accounts of Sikhs through the eyes of Europeans and some of these accounts may be biased..............but hey that is what history is all about.......... Definitely but this book. A must for any Sikh Historian

http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...ic;f=1;t=001887 A must buy book.......... :umm: :cool: :TH: :e: :TH:

Have you seen what these lunatic Narankari's have written about these events............talk about lieing through your teeth...... http://www.nirankari.com/history/hist4.htm .........Bunch of lieing scum bags............

Mr Getae......... Let me tell you some facts..... I am a moderator from ww.sikh-history.com and no one from our site has argued anything with or from jattworld.com........... Infact I was invited to post there on Sikhism by the owner LordJatt aka Harry Gill..........BUT things got sinister...........they started swearing at other castes and that..............the last straw was when they described me as a towel head............... I left and they've been bitter ever since............... .....what facts are you talking about anyway.......Getae?

Lads we need to organise a petition on-line about this highlighting the most offensive parts of the play..........knowledge is power...........and we don't want to be seen as a bunch like Islamic funamentalists...........here's my take on it.......... http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...c;f=10;t=000673

Hi Pavinderpal.............nice link to Mike Maher...............not impossible but very difficult to get the physique to win any competitions and a serious level.............and who's talking about animal products................... Carl Lewis not bad ehh...........but I'm still not convinced by a Vegan diet...............those I meet look pae generally.......... here are some other Vegans.......... Sally Eastall, marathon runner Keith Holmes, former world champion middleweight boxer Carl Lewis, winner of nine Olympic Gold Medals and one of the greatest athletes of the twentieth century Martina Navratilova, champion tennis player - one of the most successful tennis players in history Dave Scott, six-time Ironman Champion and first inductee into the Ironman Hall of Fame Lucy Stephens, triathlete ..........I always buy organic stuff anyway.............there is a farm (Barr Beacon) down the road from me and all the animals seem to be happy running around...............occaisionaly the geese attack people going to the farm shop ........... ....as for being Arnold............I don't think anyone will become Arnold eating rotis and meat..................a balanced diet is the key.......;-)

Pavinderpqal...........sorry for hijacking the thread but the bodybuilding talk was an example on how it was impossible for Vegans to develop muscle tone to the level of Vegetarians and those on Ovo-Lacto diets at least............. ............also please cite us example of Olypic medalist Athletes who are Vegans?...........that would be interesting..... :TH: .................You seem concerned about animal welfare..............well I'll be honest with you................I'm nore concerned about the way humans are treated than animals............. :e:

I think these guys have used steroids at some time.........a definite non no.............but you can get a good body like Taranjits by not using steroids.............I think it is more plaeasing to the eye.............. ...........how many more cappilaries..... :| .............flippin heck............. ...........as for the pictures..........I just got into trouble with my wife for getting my mate to scan them........... .....................she reckons I'm really vein.............I'll try some other way but mum the word........ ......... .....anyway I was never a bobybuilder but a powerlifter..................I had dreams I would be an Olympian and represent Great Britain.......but.............first I injured my right knee playing rigby and then my other doing squats........then a really bad rotar cuff injury..................the reason for these injuries was my ego and showing off to other people........... :wub: ..................it soon stopped me.................I reckon my sciatica is linked to these early years egotistical exertions.....................I reckon it pays off to be focused on Waheguru even when training.............. :TH:

Also Akall Purakh..........the more lean muscle you have........the more calories you burn............. :lol:

Akal Purakh.............nice pic.......... Here's a pic of Taranjit Singh with his pagh on........... but hey....check our Bertil Fox...........he used be a train driver onn the underground.............I met this guy and he is frighteningly huge.....................this is him when he was in his early 20's.......... Amaarao youd be better off buying off the net....try Weider products or Ultimate Nutrition..............but like I said.............protein poders cant beat a good diet........ :e:

Lighten up Ryu.......the human form is beautiful...........it was created by God so it must be beautiful............... *edited* ......and here is a Sikh Bodybuilder Taranjit Singh.............bruuuaaah.........

:lol: Brother I'm still an amateur..........I tell you one of the hugest guys I met was Bertil Fox............. ......as for me I got injured last year......sciatica..........and flippin heck I gained about 4 stones sitting around...........I've only just strarted to do leg raises............my arms are only 19 inches now............they were close to 30 inches a few years ago..................................... Amaraow..............have you tried Whey Protien?..............I personally would stay well away from supplements.............if your a Veggie then take plenty of milk with less than 4 grammes of fat per 100 grammes..............as A kaal Bro for the tips I gave him and asl him if they have helped him........... :TH: Thanks you Deep Singh.........but thats not my photo...............I'll try and dig an old one of me if I can and scan it and upload it...............