jgill

for the khalistanis who died, they were real soldiers and ive said that many times, i havn't bin driven away from sikhi by hypocrites cause i was blessed to find gursikhs in my life who inspire ppl around them to come closer to god, but what does anger me is when you see those guys who try to scream the loudest in the gurdwara and pass judgement on others who drive many youth away from sikhism by angering them and we are running low on gursikhs who inspire others and don't judge others its gotton so bad that alot of these hypocrites who say your a bad sikh or not a sikh cause you do this and that are begining to be attacked, i guess that might be god's way of trying to shut them up, but for true gursikhs they do nothing but inspire others yes we shud not pass judment on who is sikh and who isnt, i agree these ppl needto shut up and i know wat kind of ppl u are talking about and i can think fo a few in my head i can't believe your the only one who got my point

as well you guys already defined to me what a sikh is, this thread isn't a debate about whats a sikh or not but from some of your guys post you should be able to just say no these guys were not sikhs what i want to do, is stop the hypocrites who go around judging others

Great post Bhenji THat's what I have been trying to explain to jgill. I know I am paapi and what I do wrong will not be jusfied by using SIkhi. Because it is wrong no matter wha,t and what I do will be judged hear after, but if i know I am doing wrong then it's better to find out now so we can correct ourselves and move forward in SIkhi. That's what we have to get away from; our vices. IN every breath we have to work toward being a better Sikh, not look at someone else's downfalls and say I don't do that so I'm a SIkh. Bhenji i was trying to get jgill to look at how Guru Shaib defines a Sikh and then follow that instead justfy his wrong doings by others and then call himself a Sikh. Sorry you had to get into this whole mess. I know you probably had better thing to do. Your input was much appreciated and if us moorakhs still want to argue about this just let us till one of us gives up and slanders the other. It's a heated arguement that is already over, but just let it keep going. sorry i mistaked you for inder singh, i guess i saw your name with his post and had it mixed teh whole time, my apology for that but guys im just asking a simple question, im not trying to change the definition of a sikh i just want to know if you guys think these guys were sikhs or not, very easy question yet you guys are to scared to answer it, is it cause you may be exposed as being hypocrites if you can't answer the question then thanks for proving my point

why have non of you guys answered the questions see ill explain the reason i posted this question, cause we got to many so called hypocritical sikhs judging sikhs who want to come closer to god, and i know judging someone is just as bad as drinking cause only god can judge, and i want to know the reason behind their hypocritical behaviour me on the other hand i work every day to build a closer relationship with god, and one day i will take amrit but i havn't grown to the point i am ready but please answer the questions were these men sikhs or not

ive read the reply's, could you answer which question has bin answered out of the 6 i just posted these questions i just posted are things like how your going to get khalistan, with half the youth being on drugs, you can't have a revolution or get a country with half the youth on drugs cause they are driven by money to by their next hit, which means punjab is getting worste for corruption and crime and if its getting worste then how do khalistani supporters plan on turning these problems around to get khalistan, cause without turning the problems around you arn't going to have a revolution, as well you can't solve any problems if you want to play victim and blame the indian govt for the youth getting hooked on drugs, cause if you believe the reason youth are hooked on drugs is cause the indian govt then i guess you guys don't have a solution on stopping drug addictions and which means no khalistan were as independent groups who are trying to come up with solutions are taking the accountable approach, and asking questions like why are the youth hooked on drugs and rather then playing victim and blaming the indian govt their looking at ppl's paranting skills in punjab and looking in areas parants are failing to educate their kids on the conquences of drugs and were parants are failing to keep their boys busy to keep them away from drugs and noticing how many boys are spoiled which ive seen in punjab which is giving boys free time to run around and do what they want and on top of that when you mix in their parants money you got a bad combination cause the money time they have and lack of education on drugs lead to youth getting hooked on drugs and leads them to experiment with drugs, so we come up with questions as how to educate parants on how to keep their children away from drugs and how to make youth aware of the consquences of drugs, but biggest thing is getting a message to parants my question is once agian how do khalistanis plan on getting khalistan with huge drug addictions, its impossible cause theirs to much corruption and crime and its just about to explode cause of the drug addictions, and how do you guys plan on solving the drug problem by just blaming the indian govt, cause by blaming the indian govt your not getting to the root of the problem hence why you can't solve the problem cause i can't figure out how you are, it just sounds like you guys are stuck in a circle and thsi may explain why in punjab ppl are falling away from sikhi, while you guys just chant khalistan, hence why ppl like me believe their isn't going to be khalistan, and why ppl like me say rather then wasting energy on chanting khalistan to invest that energy in solving commmunity problems, but you can't solve community problems by playing victim and blaimging others, cause no one puts a gun to anyonce head and makes them do drugs so tahts why you can't blame the indian govt but if you want to blame the indian govt for the drug problem, with a drug problem how you going to get a revolution going and get khalistan, with so much crime and corruption and with it about to get worste with so many youth who are going to be running the punjab and with so much of the youth being drug addicts which is a breeding ground for crime and corruption, especially just blaming the indian govt, cause you can't get a revolution started with these type of problems, and you can't solve the drug problem by playing victim and blaming the indian govt but if you believe you can solve the drug problem by blaming the indian govt tell me how do khalistanis plan on doing it cause the drug problem bin getting worste while you guys chant khalistan????

for the khalistanis who died, they were real soldiers and ive said that many times, i havn't bin driven away from sikhi by hypocrites cause i was blessed to find gursikhs in my life who inspire ppl around them to come closer to god, but what does anger me is when you see those guys who try to scream the loudest in the gurdwara and pass judgement on others who drive many youth away from sikhism by angering them and we are running low on gursikhs who inspire others and don't judge others its gotton so bad that alot of these hypocrites who say your a bad sikh or not a sikh cause you do this and that are begining to be attacked, i guess that might be god's way of trying to shut them up, but for true gursikhs they do nothing but inspire others

no insults no nothing I ask these questions cause many will say, if your not a gursikh you cannot be a sikh, if you don't follow sikhi has hard as you can, you cannot be sikh yet they'll say these men were, which to me sounds hypocritical, cause ppl who say you need to be gursikh or follow sikhi hard as you can to be sikh, say its cause gurbani says you have to follow sikhi hard as you can or be gursikh to be sikh, i just want to know how ppl can say these guys our sikhs and others arn't who cut their hair or drink, but if you don't believe these men were sikhs thats alright cause itleast your not being hypocrites and arn't judging others but truly believe this is what you have to do to be a good sikh just answer the question, were maharaja ranjit singh a sikh, even though he drank ate meat and had many wives and mistresses was he a sikh YES or NO and why were ment like kartar singh and udham singh sikhs who cut their hair YES or NO and why For ppl who say these men were not sikhs, then you can't say sikhs ever had an empire that the empire was a punjabi empire under ranjit singh and ONLY FIVE, i would love to get you to answer some questions on this topic cause you believe that these three were sikhs yet you judge others who cut their hair or drink and say they cannot be sikhs, and you say this cause you say gurbani says these ppl can't be sikhs cause of these actions, so if gurbani says this then why would you say ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh are sikhs???

no whats sad is all the so called gursikhs who drive sikhs away from the gurdwara with their hypocritical behaviour i know in sikhi judging another person is bad as drinking is cause only god can judge but you have guys like ONLY FIVE, who go around judging non gursikhs, its guys like ONLY FIVE who are are begining to get attacked and are driving ppl away from the gurdwara Reason i ask questions like do you think ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh are sikhs is cause a so called gursikh will say yea they were, but these same so called gursikhs will judge others who drink and say their not sikh, or who ever cuts their hair is not sikh but a question for guys like ONLY FIVE if kartar singh and udham singh cut their hair how can you call them sikhs yet others non sikh, you see how hypocritical your being by doing this or saying ranjit singh is sikh but saying others arn't if they drink or participate in pre marital sex or what ever What i believe is dumb and i don't believe you need to love keertan to love god, so tell me if someone is willign to die for god, but has a problem connecting spiritually to god say things through kirtan, then how can you say they don't love god?????? and ppl rather then just ask questions answer mine and ask questions, ONLY FIVE i answered your question but your avoiding mine, cause i just exposed you as the hypocrite you are, go look up the definition of a hypocrite, practise what you preach and for everyone else, if you can call men like ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh sikhs, yet say someone else isn't cause they cut their hair, then see ranjit singh needed to drink and have sex, he loved hunting and eating meat, yet he loved god and sikhi, so how can you say if someone else can't be a gursikh can't love god, here's a man who did more then any other sikh but if your going to say this person or that person isn't sikh cause they cut their hair or drink then you might as well say then you might as well say punjab never had a empire, cause according to alot of your guys definition of sikh then ranjit singh isn't a sikh and that sikhs never had any famous freedom fighters cause udham singh and kartar singh cut their hair, heck udham singh time to time would say he was sikh hindu muslim and change his name to follow these three names, but their so called gursikhs like ONLY FIVE who tries to tell others a definition of a sikh yet udham singh doesn't fall into your definition of a sikh and you call him one, which shows how big of a hypocrite your kind our Honestly theirs alot of ppl at each gurdwara in every city around the world and on these forums who are so called gursikh and yet judge others and say this person isn't a sikh or this person is a bad sikh cause these guys say they don't fit the definition of sikhi yet they'll call guys like ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh sikhs even though they don't fit into the definition of sikhi which shows, they are insecure judgemental low confident human beings Once again ONLY FIVE, can you tell me when kartar singh udham singh and ranjit singh don't fit into the definition of what you say gurbani says is a sikh, then why call them sikhs yet judge others and say this person isn't a sikh and a warning ONLY FIVE, if you judge the wrong person out in the world, they might physicall attack you cause human nature is ppl hate being judged and get angered by it, hence why so called gursikhs like yourself drive ppl away from the gurdwara

it was pretty bad how i replied but just answer the questions, cause those questions arn't the same, those questions are for example how you going to get khalistan by blaming the indian govt (who i don't believe are at the root of the problem) for the drug problem in punjab just take the drug problem alone, long as its their and grows, their ain't ever going to be a khalistan your going to have a growth in crime and corruption cause these junkies going to need money to get their hits as well, how you going to solve a drug problem by giving the typical khalistani response as blame the govt

chall i didn't repeat any questions, see my last id got deleted by the moderators like i said earlier, but you are to dumb to understand that, your just to stupid to relize those questions are different from the others, and the last question i just posted was how you going to fight drugs and youth dropping out and get khalistan if your answer to all problems is blame the indian govt lol and you couldn't answer this hence why khalistanis are wasting their time chanting khalistan yet have mad 0 progress and khalistan grows to be more distant every day as more ppl are falling away from sikhism and falling into things like drugs and falling out of the education system i mean khalistanis like you and im assuming you must have a khalistani family just like to waste time chanting khalistan while hiding like cowards in canada england were ever you live see you can't even explain how you plan on solving these problems cause khalistanis havn't solved a problem?? tell me which problem have you guys solved or plan on solving and how, i never asked these questions but your a stupid cowardly khalistani whose father must chanted khalistan in the 80's with no guts to fight but just stayed overseas away from canada like a coward talking about how he wants khalistan just answer the questions or don't post again cause your doing what khalistanis do best now a days, just cry, and you guys have to stop crying cause even gora who watch you guys on tv ask why didn't you guys ever go fight for khalistan or go fight for it

and if the questions i posted are to hard for you guys, cause they havn't bin answered, tell me which question has bin answered and post the answer and ill shutup and say im sorry, i won't even defend myself promise but i don't want a dumb answer like blame indian govt for everything cause by blaming the indian govt lol hahahaha how you guys going to get khalistan, (plus kerelas youth are christians have far less oppurtunity's and i just proved punjab is the best state in india i posted articles showing its ranked best state and second richest yet the christian youth in kerela with less oppurtunity's are getting educated in far greater numbers while punjab's numbers shrink, which shows you can't blame the indian govt, as well why isn't indian govt destroying youth in kerela then) but yea blaming the indian govt isn't going to bring you closer to khalistan, cause you ain't solving anything blaming the indian govt, and its impossible to get khalistan with half the youth on drugs and dropping out of school while you waste your time chanting khalistan and blame indian govt, cause their are far far far greater amount of drug addicts now and boys dropping out of school compared to 80s and 90s and khalistan didn't happen then and drug addictions lead to more corruption and if half the use aare getting hooked on drugs that means half the youth will do anything to get their next hit of drugs and they need money to get that and will resort to corruption and crime to gget that money which means punjab is headed towards real trouble so answer the questions so i can see what you guys plan on doing to solve the problems to get khalistan, cause you can't get khalistan with these problems unless your an <banned word filter activated> but yea if youcan't answer this question all it shows is your no different then the cowards who use to hide in canada in 80s and 90s saying they want khalistan but just wasted time and energy chanting khalistan and continueing to waste time and energy chanting khalistan

could you tell me which question is the same, just tell me point to one or just tell me which question has bin answered point to one out of the once i just posted, like number 2, here ill make question 2 more simple, if you believe the indian govt is the cause of the drug problem in punjab, then how you goign to get khalistani how are you going to fight the drug addictions to get khalistan, cause punjab will get worste in corruption with drug addictions or is the solution to getting khalistan all talk and no walk, just like all the current khalistanis who were or are members of babbar khalsa sikh youth federation screamed in the 80's and 90's but never went and did anything to get khalistan cause they got scared and just wanted to hide in the west?? actually its the non khalistani and indo canadian groups in canada who are actually workign on comming up with solutions, but if im wrong on this then answer me this, what have khalistanis done to improve the state of the sikh community what are you guys investing your energy on, like drug problem in punjab you know its non khalistani organisations working on handling the problem while khalistanis just blame the indian govt for everything, i talked about this in another forum but group i get to volunteer with want to use events like nagar kirtan to raise awarness of the problem in punjab and to get money donated to be used on telivision comercials to scare youth, its a big goal now and may take few years but theirs enough of us who can't sit back and watch the problem get worste, while khalistanis waste their energy chanting khalistan cause all i see is the same guys who were to scared to go fight in the 80's and 90's just crying about the same stuff but offering no solutions like i said tell me which question has bin answered, or just answer one of the questions, or be a typical khalistani who would rather hide and scream khalistan rather then do anything or think of ways of getting khalistan, just like all the old cowards did who use to hide in canada and england chanting khalistan to scared to fight or do anything to get khalistan as well i had to change my account cause the moderator deleted my other account cause of my comments regarding khalistan, i think me saying 99% of khalistanis don't have the guts to fight for khalistan <Edited> them off i mean all the khalistanis who wanted to fight for it went and died fighting but their army's were extremely small cause majority of khalistanis were to busy hiding scared in country's like canada and chanting khalistan

why did shere punjab leave, they were a good group

read the whole thread, every single thing has been answered numerous times. which one of these questions have bin answered, could you copy and paste answers to questions 2 and 6 for me or just 2 or just 6 or any of the other questions

never have run away when things have gotton thick, could you tell me were i have or are you just being dumb again look at what i highlighted from your post, but yet you call kartar singh udham singh and ranjit singh sikhs even though they cut their hair had many wives and affairs drank achole ate meat but others non sikhs if they cut their hair or drink or whatever tell me why call these guys sikhs and others non sikhs who drink or cut their hair and so on this shows how big of a idotic hypocrite you are do you know the definition of a hypocrite Your still running man. Whether I or anyone else calls themselves a Sikh or another Sikh is not the discussion here based on a certain criteria. We are discussing how Guru Sahib, the Shabad Guru describes and defines a Sikh. Status and fame of owning anything is trivial and does not hold up in Guru Sahibs court. Devotion and dedication is looked at as virtues. You seem not to get this so this is why your bring others names up in this arguement, which is again irrevelant. Again we are defining a Sikh by Gurbani not looking at anothers downfalls and then justfying and find the definition of Sikh. And this is only done to make ignorant people realize Renu bakishis intentions on writing the article you presented and praise in so many ways as if it is the final word of God. This is getting old and if your unwilling to answer the questions I put forward then in the next 2 or 3 post you won't get a response from me. Not going to waste my time with a person that only likes to rant and bring up baseless arguments. now im going to answer your question, but you in return have to answer mine, i don't want to hear anything else accept an answer to my questions, is that fair, if not tell me why and i believe a sikh is someone who loves his sikhi and works towards building a relationship with god, and someone who would die for god, but it doesn't mean someone has to be gursikh to want to die for god cause i know alot of ppl who find keertan boring and just can't connect spiritually yet still have a love for sikhi and god i believe a sikh is a student of god and that to be a sikh you must grow in life and grow your relationship with god i believe sikhi means learner now my questions since i answered yours, im not insulting you or anything but don't run away from this question you said that anyone who drinks or cuts their hair isn't a sikh yet you call men like kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh sikhs why do you believe kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh are sikhs and why do you call them sikhs yet anyone else who cuts their hair or drinks a non sikh and a punjabi cause by your definition of sikhism then we never had an empire it was a punjabi empire god didn't want to give any sikhs an empire it seems like then their are no famous freedom fighters the sikhs produced by your definition of sikhism

lol so non of these ppl are sikhs, non of them so your one of those idiots who say's if your not gursikh your not sikh, or if you cut your hair your not sikh lol yet ppl like you expose your hypocracy and stupidity when you guys claim ranjit singh and kartar singh as sikhs but according to your definition of sikhs then you should believe sikhs never had an empire only punjabis under ranjit singh did and that the most famous freedom fighters against the british like kartar singh and udham singh were punjabi not sikhs, thats what you should believe and tell others dumb as you to believe but me i believe these guys were sikhs but like i said its idiots like you and your thinking who run the gurdwaras and why more sikh youth are falling away from sikhi rather then towards sikhi, then you guys are dumb enough to think your getting khalistan at the rate your going at More nonsense from a this guy. I told you man leave the anger out. Calling us names will not help your case, neither is your reasoning helping right now, but you seem to think so it is. Define for us the difference between GurSikh and Sikh as you have done in your post. And then present Gurbani to back up these claims. Also you keep saying our community. Define this for us aswell. Who are you refering to as 'our community'? I hope your able to respond to these questions and bring up actual references for the first one. If not then the four or 5 pages of your post are just jargon and a rant. Ranjit Singh this Ranjit that, why don't you go a learn the true history and then come back and give us a lecture on what kind of Sikh Ranjit was aswell as Kartar Singh and the rest you named. FOr your own satisfication you are demeaning Gurbani, the True word. If you want to be a Sikh of your mind then go right ahead, but don't try to justify weak actions by saying Sikhi allows it or you are Sikh. Open a new topic labeled Gursikh and Sikh if different in Gurbani and we can see what we come up with. i have read history far better then you tell me if ranjit singh kartar singh udham singh where sikhs, even though 2 of these men cut their hair and ranjit singh drank had many wives and ate meat then tell me how you can call the family's and the children involved in these problems that the article points at as punjabis and not sikhs if you consider kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh to be sikhs?? cause right now im making you feel like a hypocrite, but answer these questions since i asked you earlier the same questions if you consider these men sikhs and if so how you can call anyone else a non sikh and rather a punjabi for cutting their hair or drinking or eating meat or whatever cause if you can call ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh sikhs then your a dumb hypocrite for saying someone else isn't as sikh cause they drink or cut their hair but yes are these men sikhs? What don't you get it's not about you or me or another person. This is about SIkhi, Guru Sahib and how Shabad Guru defines a Sikh. I can't put it any other way and in such plain and simple english. Again not about you or me. Get that straight and then answer the question. Tell us where in Gurbani SIkh and Gursikh are differentiated. Because in your post you differentiate them and this is completely writing against Sikhi. If you consider yourself a Sikh then you would consult Guru Sahib before making such of a statement and going against Gurbani. As this is an insult to Gurbani and distorting it. Remember what happened to one of Guru Sahib son for changing the mean of Gurbani for a Muslim. If you are a Sikh of the Guru then you would stop this nonsense and have the integrity to act like one. im going to answer your question in the other thread but answer my question why do you call kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh sikhs, when you said anyone who drinks cuts their hair or so on isn't a sikh yet these guys did those things yet you call them sikhs do you see why ppl are begining to physicaly and verbally attack ppl like you at the gurdwaras and at family events and in personal life but you my friend are just as bad as anyone who drinks since its ppl like you driving ppl away from sikhism but actually ill give you a chance to defend yourself so tell me you call kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh sikhs, why do you call them sikhs, and anyone else who cuts their hair or drinks non sikhs but i doubt you will

never have run away when things have gotton thick, could you tell me were i have or are you just being dumb again look at what i highlighted from your post, but yet you call kartar singh udham singh and ranjit singh sikhs even though they cut their hair had many wives and affairs drank achole ate meat but others non sikhs if they cut their hair or drink or whatever tell me why call these guys sikhs and others non sikhs who drink or cut their hair and so on this shows how big of a idotic hypocrite you are do you know the definition of a hypocrite

lol so non of these ppl are sikhs, non of them so your one of those idiots who say's if your not gursikh your not sikh, or if you cut your hair your not sikh lol yet ppl like you expose your hypocracy and stupidity when you guys claim ranjit singh and kartar singh as sikhs but according to your definition of sikhs then you should believe sikhs never had an empire only punjabis under ranjit singh did and that the most famous freedom fighters against the british like kartar singh and udham singh were punjabi not sikhs, thats what you should believe and tell others dumb as you to believe but me i believe these guys were sikhs but like i said its idiots like you and your thinking who run the gurdwaras and why more sikh youth are falling away from sikhi rather then towards sikhi, then you guys are dumb enough to think your getting khalistan at the rate your going at More nonsense from a this guy. I told you man leave the anger out. Calling us names will not help your case, neither is your reasoning helping right now, but you seem to think so it is. Define for us the difference between GurSikh and Sikh as you have done in your post. And then present Gurbani to back up these claims. Also you keep saying our community. Define this for us aswell. Who are you refering to as 'our community'? I hope your able to respond to these questions and bring up actual references for the first one. If not then the four or 5 pages of your post are just jargon and a rant. Ranjit Singh this Ranjit that, why don't you go a learn the true history and then come back and give us a lecture on what kind of Sikh Ranjit was aswell as Kartar Singh and the rest you named. FOr your own satisfication you are demeaning Gurbani, the True word. If you want to be a Sikh of your mind then go right ahead, but don't try to justify weak actions by saying Sikhi allows it or you are Sikh. Open a new topic labeled Gursikh and Sikh if different in Gurbani and we can see what we come up with. i have read history far better then you tell me if ranjit singh kartar singh udham singh where sikhs, even though 2 of these men cut their hair and ranjit singh drank had many wives and ate meat then tell me how you can call the family's and the children involved in these problems that the article points at as punjabis and not sikhs if you consider kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh to be sikhs?? cause right now im making you feel like a hypocrite, but answer these questions since i asked you earlier the same questions if you consider these men sikhs and if so how you can call anyone else a non sikh and rather a punjabi for cutting their hair or drinking or eating meat or whatever cause if you can call ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh sikhs then your a dumb hypocrite for saying someone else isn't as sikh cause they drink or cut their hair but yes are these men sikhs?

i agree here we need to bring in youth with sports and mma classes, with so much money pumped into the gurdwaras rather then allowing these clowns to fight and waste it on legal expensis and building the 30th gurdwara in a city invest it on our youth by investing in sports and mma use sports and other activity's to build self esteem in children, inspire them and build up belief in themselves, and inspire them to set high goals and have that fire in them to go reach them, with out a person giving themselves purpose and having that fire in them to reach that purpose life is pretty boring and depressing and we use other substances to make up for that which arn't good set up classes every sunday as well were kids can come and learn about sikh history and sikhism, but not force it down their throats just educate them on it i mean at uni we have a sikhism class and every kid is hungry to learn sikhi, their's waiting lists for kids to get into the class cause alot of these youth want to know their history and religion and cause of the teachers and alot of these kids including me attended khalsa camps but these camps were complete waste of time were sikhi was forced down our throats were we had no idea why we woke up so early in the mourning to do keertan accept for if we didn't like it we shoudl feel bad, but if you have good teachers your going to have more kids wanting to come to the gurdwara to learn, a good teacher can make any subject interesting and sikhi and our history alone is extremely exciting and inspirational and let parants know these programs our available and the benifits their children will receive thanks to these programs and make them free of charge make programs available and rather then using weddings and nagar kirtan events a time to judge ppl for not being gursikh and pissing ppl off and angering them to point they turn their backs on gurdwaras even more rather then do that just take time to let parants know their's great programs available for their kids and the benifits their children will receive from these programs such as learning sikhi and sikh history as well as building self esteem setting goals learnign leadership skills team work and so on and how this will be benefit

lol finally someone who gets it more and more ppl moving away from sikhi yet khalistanis think their making progress towards khalistan lol just makes me laugh and look at the khalistanis from 80's and 90's who preach khalistan they never had the guts to go fight for it then yet they think they'll get khalistan with no guts its best to invest the energy used on khalistan on solving community issues effecting us now

im going to put it like this questions 1. what type of laws with khalistan have, no achole no hair cutting no western media, how many sikhs will choose to live in this country considering how many sikhs enjoy western media bollywood and drinking, and how will you get ppl to suppoort and fight for khalistan by making ppl give up on what they already love 2. with half the punjab youth hooked on drugs how you going to get khalistan, with more and more boys dropping out of school how are you going to get khalistan and the youth arn't hooked on drugs cause the indian govt, thats just a dumb theory all together, no one puts a gun to these kids heads and makes them to drugs, parants have failed to educate their kids on consquences of drug use and alot of these kids are spoiled with to much time on their hands, go visit india these kids don't go to school yet their parants think they go to school, their parants give them money cause that the kids take and buy booz and nasha with, another reason for drug problems is if one kids parants buys his son a new bike the neibours parants will get jealous and go buy their child a better bike, if one kid gets money from his parants the other parants will give the kid more cash to go play with to show the family how much money they have, punjabi pride kills us lol and how you going to get khalistan if you continue to blame the indian govt for the drug problem cause you can blame them all you want and say cause drugs are available then youth will continue to get hooked on drugs and if more then half the youth are hooked on drugs how you going to get khalistan??? how you going to turn punjab into khalistan when half the youth hooked on drugs and according to alot of you its cause indian govt and you'd like to play victim your guys solution is blame the indian govt lol hahahaha so basicully yoru solution is hopelless cause you believe the indian govt is reason for youth getting into drugs and thats what usually happends when you play the victim card 4. what will be done differently from 80's and 90's during the next chance you get to fight for khalistan 5. with more and more ppl moving away from sikhism and you can see this with more and more youth cutting their hair and so on, how you plan on getting khalistan, i mean alot of ppl are being driven away from gurdwaras by anger cause of idiots who like to judge other sikhs for cutting their hair or drinking or whatever, and ppl hate being judged hence why so many are begining to attack when they are judged, and by judged i mean when a so called gursikh goes and says oh your not a sikh or your a bad sikh cause you cut your hair or drink or eat meat or date, now a true gursikh and their many of these guys but not enough inspire others to come closer to sikhism 5. tell me why did all these current khalistanis from canada england america who are ex or current babbar khalsa sikh youth federation and so on members hide in canada and england during 80s and 90s rather then go fight for khalistan???? 6. with more and more boys dropping out of school in punjab, how will you get khalistan with less and less educated youth considering punjab is rated best state in india, youth in kerala are majority christian yet have less oppurtunity's then punjab yet finishing at top of the country in education which shows how dumb it is to blame indian govt for youth dropping out in punjab cause then why arn't they doing same damage in kerala, but if you want to continue to blame indian govt then how you getting khalistan with more and more youth being uneducated, your guys solution is blame the indian govt lol hahahaha so basicully yoru solution is hopelless cause you believe the indian govt is reason for less and less educated youth and basicully what plan do khalistanis have on how their getting khalistan

http://citizen.nfb.c...ssier_nid=21339 the documantry is called warrior boys, seems like everyone accept idiots like you agree its our paranting thats causing the trouble were facing if your saying cause drugs and gangs are all around us that is the reason ppl are going to join, lol then why doesn't everyone join, rat poision is available why doesn't everyone do rat poison????? answer this question before talking again ill even answer this question but wanna see your answer, reason ppl don't do rat poison is they know it will kill them, their educated on this subject hence stay away now if parants didn't spoil their kids or let them have to much free time and educated their kids on the consquences of drugs and gangs and disiplin their kids and stay involved in their lives, they wouldn't have time and would know the consquences of getting in with gangs and drugs and would stay away from this lifestyle, now their would be a very few for whatever reason that will still get involved but 98% will stay away parants need to instill confidence in their kids teach them how to set goals how to give themselves purpose in life which will give them the fire and passion to reach their goals, teach them how to have a work ethic and disipline them and have their childrens trust were their kids can talk to them about anything

this article says our community is producing alot of drug dealing gangsters, and unfortanatly loads of drug addicts these kids parants are sikhs and alot of their parants are gursikh, so if you don't want to call these kids sikh well their parants our and its a problem if these parants lack paranting skills and raise drug dealers/drug addicts this article points at our paranting skills as being cause of the problem things like spoiling boys, favoring boys over girls, celeberating when boy is born crying when girl is born, forgetting to disipline our kids, now its not all parants cause alot of parants know how to raise kids but many in our community lack the skills this article points at are paranting being the biggest cause for the problems in our community for all the idiots who thought it attacked sikhism since you can't point at were she attacks sikhism you just showed how dumb you are

your dumb learn to read, and sikhs being successfull is a great thing and the problem isn't rich parants, the problem is spoiled kids so your saying all these priniples and teachers who come to the same conclusion as this article are stupid????? when you have the top cops saying the problem with indo canadian gangs is spoiled children and teachers and principles saying its spoiled kids then why would you be dumb enough to think its something else let me show how dumb your way of thinking is, your thinking is if drugs are available ppl are goign to get involved cause the trade is available well rat poison is available why don't ppl eat rat poison

lol so non of these ppl are sikhs, non of them so your one of those idiots who say's if your not gursikh your not sikh, or if you cut your hair your not sikh lol yet ppl like you expose your hypocracy and stupidity when you guys claim ranjit singh and kartar singh as sikhs but according to your definition of sikhs then you should believe sikhs never had an empire only punjabis under ranjit singh did and that the most famous freedom fighters against the british like kartar singh and udham singh were punjabi not sikhs, thats what you should believe and tell others dumb as you to believe but me i believe these guys were sikhs but like i said its idiots like you and your thinking who run the gurdwaras and why more sikh youth are falling away from sikhi rather then towards sikhi, then you guys are dumb enough to think your getting khalistan at the rate your going at