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don't these taliban guys mostly want to make nwfp part of afghanistan again

i like this idea don't have to lecture them and no one is forcing anything and it helps build curiousity and the youth eventually will want to learn more

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out of the 20% who are true gursikhs id say half of them come from backgrounds were at one point they use to cut their hair drink eat meat did everythign wrong then were inspired by sikhi hence why they know how to inspire others with sikhi and the other half had great family's who were able to inspire them with sikhi 80% are just cowards who don't know what it means to be a true gursikh hence why they anger ppl to the point they get their asses kicked or drive ppl away from the gurdwara but provide some evidence before you get jealous and insecure of the ppl from jakara provide evidence rather then attacking them like a cowards cause at the end of the day thats all you and ppl like you are, dumb cowards, especially teh fact you would say men like ranjit singh who fought for sikhs wasnt a sikh, really you should get just as angry when ppl say sikhs had an empire as you do when ppl talk about jakara then or are you to scared to insult and attack ranjit singh and say sikhs never had an empire

show evidence that jakara has late night party's or shutup with your gossip im going to send them an email and see what they think about these stupid rumors and post it here then you guys can shutup and go back to the gurdwara in your little tight net group of friends hide like cowards and try judging others and if your from england go into the gurdwara and hide from the muslims while its mostly mona sikhs and true gursikhs who have the guts to stand up to the muslims in england while guys like you hide claiming to be true sikhs but are truly just cowards

They can lie to themselves all their life I dont care, how can you get Chardi Kala with being ignorant on Banis??????? Shabad Guru is Guru meaning Nitnaym Bani is Guru Also.....So skipping over this is equal to someone who does daily paat???????????????????????? ??????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ????????????????????/ Why do paat if you can get the same results without it??? ??????????? ?????? You are @$ backwards breadah Let me guess you dont do paat and think you can obtain true Sikhi???????????????????????? Do they pay you to be a foolish spokesman?????????????????????? You clearly bought your Sikhi from Walmart What scares people away from Sikhi is tv and retarded society, not strict Sikhs, duality is the desease that is affecting millions of these so called "SIKH" people, now closing your eyes when eatting meat doesnt mean you are a vegetarian. People that want a watered down version of Sikhi LOVE jakara because then they dont feel so stupid anymore People should read all your posts and see if you contradict yourself If an iidiot wants to swim in their own filth then that up to them, but dont get mad when people say you stink and dont want to have you sit next to them. Next jakara have them not charge any money for "learning true Sikhi"?????? Have them be videotaped and show on youtube or something????? virk# do you need a tissue cause it seems you were crying when you posted I didnt think you would get so upset over my comments, since youre so chardikala from your version of Sikhi then why are your panties in so much of a bunch Inspire???? if an iidiot isnt inspired means its my fault??????? Im not here to inspire Im here to voice my opinion if you dont like it then glad you had to deal with something you have no control of, its good for your anger management therapy. Dont cut your hair and do daily paat at the correct times. lol thats why cowards like you are getting their brains knocked out now a days dude idiots like you drive ppl away from sikhi cause human nature is ppl dont' like being judged, when you judge someone you drive them away, but when you inspire someone you bring them closer to sikhi, which is what the gursikhs from england and jakara is doing, they charge money as donations to run their camps not for profit, as well show me evidence of these pool party's go on and yes i do path but im sick and tired of cowards like you who judge others and push them away from sikhi and its not cause of the culture and media that why move away from sikhi its cause of the anger they feel when they are judged which is human nature and hence why guys like you are now getting their teeth kicked in by the younger kids who hate being talked down on which is making it hard for idiots like you to judge others cause you guys are cowards who suffer from low self esteem plus many of the ppl who run these camps from jakara to the gatka instructors from uk are true gursikhs hence why they inspire others to learn more about sikhi to show how stupid your comment was that ppl want to move away from sikhi cause of media most the unis across canada that teach sikhism have waiting lists for students who want to learn, and to show you how stupid you are tell me this why have camps like jakara inspired sikhs to learn more about sikhi yet dumbasses like you drive ppl away from the gudwara or end up getting their asses kicked LIKE I SAID I KNOW PPL WHO SEEN THESE JAKARA CAMPS, ALOT OF THE GUYS RUNNING IT OUR TRUE GURSIKHS WHO ARE INSPIRING OTHER SIKHS and not cowards like you who hide in the gurdwara judging others out of all the gursikhs in the world id say only 20% are true gursikhs and are true leaders and are truly inspirational ppl with no fear in them cause of their faith in god is so strong 80% of the gursikhs like yourself are cowards who hide in the gurdwara and judge others cause you guys suffer from low self esteem, as well its cowards like your self who in england judge others yet were to scared to fight the muslims while mostly mona sikhs and true gursikhs developed groups like shere punjab to take on the islamic extremists tell me why are so many of you guys cowards and why you guys drive so many ppl away from the gurdwara and why do ppl like you in england fear the muslims while true gursikhs and the mona sikhs go fight the muslims and question, why would god send men like ranjit singh and hari singh nalwa to lead the sikhs into driving the pathans out of punjab and giving sikhs a homeland, these men weren't gursikhs cause i personally believe god will reward anyone who will be willing to give their life for god and will god will appretiate someone who dies serving humanity and god far more then some <banned word filter activated> who judges others and hides in the gurdwara

WHAT???????????????????? Sikhi is strict and those that want a watered down "Sikhi" go to jakara conferences. Jakara encourages people to stay up and play pool until 2am, so if youre up until 2am+ then how can you get up at Anmritvela???? Guru Granth Sahib states in order to be a Sikh you must rise at Anmritvela(not play pool until Anmritvela then go to bed) I bet virk30 is one of the people supporting the jakara movement which is trying to water down Sikhi to better suit the "Im indian but not Sikh movement". Then to appear Sikh they might have 10-15 people do Kirtan for a few mins to make it look like everyone is on the "correct track". Jakara is a sham "UNLESS" you dont want to follow Gurmat then jakara is supposedly "legit Sikhi". If Gurmat is taught then post the agenda and the video that gives proof that it was implemented. Are those people actual "Practising Sikhs" meaning they actually do paat(Everyday) and actually keep all hair on their body?????????? Or are they people needing an "easy ticket to Sikhi" like if Sikhi had a secrect code you can buy to pass yourself off as a Sikh. In the video you posted their was a comment of "Thei aint many geyals doing gatka(english accent haha)" but if she does her eye brows, cuts her hair and shaves her legs/arms then how can she present herself to Guru Gobind Singh stating that she follows his rehat?????? People can learn Gatka but if you dont follow the most very basic tenants of Sikhi then what is learning gatka doing for your Sikhi?????Gatka comes after actually following Sikhi or then your just swinging a sword, you must be a Saint before being a soldier or then you cant properly understand the Marg guru Gobind Singh laid out for his Sikhs. Kkhalsa is the way not watered down cut my hair and do a little seva here and some sword swinging there to make up for my very basic overlooked or plain ignored fundamentals of Sikhi. Dont cut your hair and do daily paat at the correct times. but remember it was under the leadership of non gursikhs that sikhs had a homeland as well im not underminding gursikhs cause the greatest sikhs out their were true gursikhs but unfortanatly were running extremely low on real gursikhs out their who inspire others and tell me what do you get out of teling ppl if they are sikh or not, your not inspiring them or anything, and ppl like you are getting attacked now cause you guys p*** ppl off when you judge them and tell me who is a true gursikh, someone who inspires others or someone who judges others as well how in the world like this just bugs me, how in the world can you have this cowardly belief that someone who does keertan and is a so called gursikh is more of a sikh then someone who goes an ddies for sikhi, if someone is a so called gursikh and does keertan but is to scared to die for sikhi yet you have another person who isn't gursikh but dies for sikhi how could you say the so called gursikh who does keertan is more of a sikh then the non gursikh who dies for his sikhi and i asked this question to you on another thread about sikhs out their who don't do path and can't get the same feeling some others do through keertan and path yet would die for their sikhi, you claimed their not ssikhs cause if they can't enjoy keertan they can't be sikhs, so now im asking what if someone does path and keertan every day yet you have another person who can't do it, yet theirs a problem and the one who does keertan and path every day is to scared to go and defend sikhi yet the one who can't do keertan and path goes and dies for his sikhi, how can you say the person who dies for his sikhi is less of a sikh this just boggles my mind and i believe only a coward could believe this

WHAT???????????????????? Sikhi is strict and those that want a watered down "Sikhi" go to jakara conferences. Jakara encourages people to stay up and play pool until 2am, so if youre up until 2am+ then how can you get up at Anmritvela???? Guru Granth Sahib states in order to be a Sikh you must rise at Anmritvela(not play pool until Anmritvela then go to bed) I bet virk30 is one of the people supporting the jakara movement which is trying to water down Sikhi to better suit the "Im indian but not Sikh movement". Then to appear Sikh they might have 10-15 people do Kirtan for a few mins to make it look like everyone is on the "correct track". Jakara is a sham "UNLESS" you dont want to follow Gurmat then jakara is supposedly "legit Sikhi". If Gurmat is taught then post the agenda and the video that gives proof that it was implemented. Are those people actual "Practising Sikhs" meaning they actually do paat(Everyday) and actually keep all hair on their body?????????? Or are they people needing an "easy ticket to Sikhi" like if Sikhi had a secrect code you can buy to pass yourself off as a Sikh. In the video you posted their was a comment of "Thei aint many geyals doing gatka(english accent haha)" but if she does her eye brows, cuts her hair and shaves her legs/arms then how can she present herself to Guru Gobind Singh stating that she follows his rehat?????? People can learn Gatka but if you dont follow the most very basic tenants of Sikhi then what is learning gatka doing for your Sikhi?????Gatka comes after actually following Sikhi or then your just swinging a sword, you must be a Saint before being a soldier or then you cant properly understand the Marg guru Gobind Singh laid out for his Sikhs. Kkhalsa is the way not watered down cut my hair and do a little seva here and some sword swinging there to make up for my very basic overlooked or plain ignored fundamentals of Sikhi. Dont cut your hair and do daily paat at the correct times. the gursikh gatka teachers from england and the gursikhs running the jakara camps are true gursikhs and leaders, cause they have inspired others to become better sikhs guys like you are coward low self esteem sikhs who judge others cause to make up for the low self esteem and only follow sikhi cause your brain washed into following it so you can judge others to make up for your low self esteem a true gursikh doesn't judge others but inspires others ppl like you just drive ppl away from sikhi here's another question, you honestly believe someone who does keertan but doesn't have the guts to die for sikhi but is a gursikh is more of a sikh then a sikh who isn't gursikh but dies for sikhi, you honestly think doing keertan makes someone braver then someone who goes dies for sikhi, thats what i expect to hear from a coward and if your from england your probably one of those cowards who attack groups like shere punjab cause most them weren't gursikh but went and fought and defended sikhs from islamic extremists while guys like you would hide in the gurdwara doing keertan and judging non gursikhs but hated it when guys out their fighting for the sikhs got more attention then you but unfortanatly their arn't enough real true gursikhs out their but its good to see the true gursikhs from jakara and the gatka instructors out their inspiring the new generation with sikhi while so called gursikhs sit their saying oh this person isn't a sikh or a bad sikh cause they do this blah blah blah, seriously how do you inspire someone by lecturing them and making them angary at you, and its getting to the point ppl are attacking ppl like you

WHAT???????????????????? Sikhi is strict and those that want a watered down "Sikhi" go to jakara conferences. Jakara encourages people to stay up and play pool until 2am, so if youre up until 2am+ then how can you get up at Anmritvela???? Guru Granth Sahib states in order to be a Sikh you must rise at Anmritvela(not play pool until Anmritvela then go to bed) I bet virk30 is one of the people supporting the jakara movement which is trying to water down Sikhi to better suit the "Im indian but not Sikh movement". Then to appear Sikh they might have 10-15 people do Kirtan for a few mins to make it look like everyone is on the "correct track". Jakara is a sham "UNLESS" you dont want to follow Gurmat then jakara is supposedly "legit Sikhi". If Gurmat is taught then post the agenda and the video that gives proof that it was implemented. Are those people actual "Practising Sikhs" meaning they actually do paat(Everyday) and actually keep all hair on their body?????????? Or are they people needing an "easy ticket to Sikhi" like if Sikhi had a secrect code you can buy to pass yourself off as a Sikh. In the video you posted their was a comment of "Thei aint many geyals doing gatka(english accent haha)" but if she does her eye brows, cuts her hair and shaves her legs/arms then how can she present herself to Guru Gobind Singh stating that she follows his rehat?????? People can learn Gatka but if you dont follow the most very basic tenants of Sikhi then what is learning gatka doing for your Sikhi?????Gatka comes after actually following Sikhi or then your just swinging a sword, you must be a Saint before being a soldier or then you cant properly understand the Marg guru Gobind Singh laid out for his Sikhs. Kkhalsa is the way not watered down cut my hair and do a little seva here and some sword swinging there to make up for my very basic overlooked or plain ignored fundamentals of Sikhi. Dont cut your hair and do daily paat at the correct times. when i say being braishwashed into being strict sikhs im talking about the once who are brainwashed into thinking if ppl don't do like them then they have to right to cry and judge others and don't forget if it wasn't for maharaja ranjit singh who wasn't gursikh and hari singh nalwa who wasn't gursikh cause he was a hunter so im pretty sure he wasn't gursikh other wise why would a vegetarian hunt cause he got his name on a hunting trip after he killed a lion, if it wasn't for men like this you would of bin sitting here today as a muslim, cause it was these men who were the only sikhs who drove away the pathan afghans away from punjab no other sikh was able to accomplish this, but you want to say cause ppl like these men weren't gursikh that their not sikhs, then tell me why did god send these men to do something no other sikh could which was not only drive out the pathans from punjab but to also conquere the pathans in the nwfp listen you think its braver to do keertan then to die for sikhi which is why i consider you one of those brain washed fools, like i said i believe a sikh is someone who can die for sikhi but at end of the day only god will decide whose a sikh but idiots like you need to shutup rather then driving ppl away from the gurdwara and even now getting attacked for trying to judge others you honestly believe the only good sikh camps our the once that force sikhi down ppl, bin to those camps and 95% of the kids who attend those camps can't wait till they get home, thats why dumbasses like you attack jakara and other sikh groups who inspire kids to follow sikhi dude tell me were you got this so called info that ppl play pool till 2 am in jakara camps, i think the ppl who gave you that info are so called gursikh who are so insecure they need to judge otehrs but when they see true gursikhs and non gursikhs having so much success at the jakara sikh camps that ppl like you and other so calleed gursikhs start feeling insecure and run crying and making up lies which is anti sikhi unless you have evidence against jakara your gossip and smack talking is anti sikhi so practise what you preach, but could you provide some evidence or are you jsut dumb enough to believe any lie someone tells you plus the gatka teacher and the camps he runs, lol dude this guy probably has the best camps out their cause ive never seen better results, kids want to improve their sikhi when they leave, lol haahhahaha tell me what camp does a better job then this one and the jakara camps tell me the once the dumb old school babbar khalsa cowards run cause ive bin to those camps as a kid learned nothing and all the kids wanted to do was go home cause they were so bored and hated being lectured all day and you ahve camps like jakara that inspire sikhs to learn more about sikhi and yet you judge them and attack them lol you truly are a moran but once again why would god send men like ranjit singh and hari singh nawla non gursikhs to drive the pathans out of punjab after they constanty burned down the harmandar sahib and murdered and raped inocent sikhs

they bring youth together to empower them and try solving community problems, why you uneasy empower us by having *Over 18 late nite parties* at their main annual camp in Fresno?? Is this how we need to raise our self-esteem and learn how to drink and dirty dancing.. I don't think this will empower anyone except draining life out of youngsters by offering them bad environment. Seen it wid my eyes and totally against on such fakey movements.I rather spend my weekend lying on my couch then driving down and paying them to attend any of their program. i don't see why ppl need to attack a group like jakara with lies, if you don't like how they move youth towards sikhi then keep your mouth shut rather then spread dumb lies www.jakara.org wonder were it says anything about dirty dancing and party's at night clubs i know ppl who have seen this group and they have nothing but good things to say about it cause all the youth that attend leave as better sikhs, look at what their goal is with their camp The Jakara Movement seeks to encourage engagement with Sikh culture through education, research, and community outreach initiatives. Founded in 2000, the Jakara Movement began as a collegiate conference, but has evolved into an institution for the recruitment and training of volunteers and a hub for the Sikh Californian youth. With a focus on the interstices of education, health, gender, and social justice, the Jakara Movement inclusively engages large sections of the Sikh youth in various projects to strengthen their identity and consciousness as Sikhs, foster education through service-learning, and inspire activism and volunteerism within the greater Qaum

they bring youth together to empower them and try solving community problems, why you uneasy empower us by having *Over 18 late nite parties* at their main annual camp in Fresno?? Is this how we need to raise our self-esteem and learn how to drink and dirty dancing.. I don't think this will empower anyone except draining life out of youngsters by offering them bad environment. Seen it wid my eyes and totally against on such fakey movements.I rather spend my weekend lying on my couch then driving down and paying them to attend any of their program. lol thats a lie, definitily a lie, secondly i think your one of those guys whose <Edited> off cause thsi camp actually works and they know how to communicate with sikh youth, jakara camps work and the camps that don't work our the camps were they make ppl do keertan and just path all day and telling kids their not good ppl if their not amrtdhari and they part of the minority of sikh groups who address gender inequality in are community and focus on empowering girls here's a great video from their camp and if your going to watch this video and say the sikh girls arn't dressed properly or arn't gursikh so they can't call themselves sikhs then go slap yourself, cause i can't understand why idiots like you would attack these guys when they do a great job compared to alot of idiots who run camps, jakara does a great job in empowering sikh youth and educating them on sikhi while creating a fun atmosphere and they don't have over 18 dances with dirty dancing you have to be the dumbest person to believe this only reason i can think of ppl going against jakara is that they call ppl who are not gursikh sikhs and that they inspire youth which makes so called gursikhs feel insecure cause they can't hide like cowards and judge non gursikhs their's gatka instructors who come from england and run a camp in van, funny thing is the youth love going to these guys camps and they have done a great job of taking any kind of youth and inspiring them through sikhi on reaching their goals, yet ppl have a problem with this camp cause girls will wear shorts or not all the ppl that attend are gursikhs and don't force sikhi down ppl's throat, even though alot of the youth who attend this camp don't know anything about sikhi when go in but when they leave their inspired to learn more and use sikhi to improve their lives and the lives of ppl around them and to set high goals and have the determination to reach them actually here's a video of that gatka instructor who is being attacked by dumb so called gursikhs who are more brainwashed into being strict sikhs then anything and drive ppl away from sikhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6Yf1fX62s and a friend who was inspired by these guys to use sikhi to reach his dreams in mma www.saintlion.com

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/...tting-bullied/ reading that thread i was disapointed by some of the coward responses, i can't believe how many sikhs fear these extremists and what happened to the group shere punjab, i know some of you will say shere punjab weren't sikhs cause most of them cut their hair and blah blah blah, but im pretty sure majority of ppl consider them sikhs and only god can judge but the fact they had the guts to protect their community makes them more sikhs then a so called gursikh who would hide like a coward from the islamic extremists im only talking about so called gursikhs who judge others saying this person a bad sikh or this person isn't a sikh not real gursikhs but yea what happened to this group cause reading one article these guys smashed the extremists so badly in london they sent them into hiding but now are comming back causing trouble again http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/14382-chalvey-boyz-v-shere-e-punjab-141005/ Chalvey Boyz V Shere-E-Punjab, 14.10.05 There may be calm right now on the streets of Slough hit by gang violence eight years ago, but Eastern Eye has found teenagers poised to restart one of the bitterest inter-Asian conflicts. Muslim schoolboys, whose parents hope would be concentrating on their exams, openly talk about taking revenge on Sikhs. They are waiting for the right time to strike, learning in the meantime from their older brothers who started the initial troubles. The fights will lead to bloodshed in Slough. That is the scene in Chalvey, a predominately Muslim district of Slough, where underneath a superficial layer of harmony broods a sense of cultural tension. It dates back to the ugly scenes of April 1997, when an 80-strong gang known as the Shere-e-Punjab, a Birmingham-based group, arrived in the town waving Sikh flags before attacking homes and cars. They were there to fight the Chalvey Boyz, Islamic extremists who had been cautioned by the police only months earlier for threatening non-Muslim students outside a college in nearby Hounslow. Tensions between the two gangs had existed before then and there are rumours Shere members never wore green, the national colour of Pakistan, and Chalvey members did not dress in orange, a colour strongly linked with India. The inevitable clash between the two gangs eventually took place in Chalvey. A large-scale police presence prevented any deaths and more than 90 of the culprits were arrested. Since then, the area has recovered and now only minor scuffles between two or three teenagers are reported to officers, but as EE discovered this week, that may not be the case for too long. In The Crescent, the road where the worst of the 1997 fighting took place, we met ‘Tiff’, a 17-year-old who has devoted himself to the new generation of Chalvey Boyz. Tiff said: "My best friend’s brother was a Chalvey, he was there in 1997 and has told us all about what happened. "We are ready to fight again, this battle has not finished and many of us want revenge." This hunger for pay-back among younger boys in the area is a passion Mandeep Sira is fully aware of. She is project manager for Aik Saath, a conflict resolution group set up in Slough immediately after the clashes. The organisation has worked hard in schools and youth centres across the area to emphasise the message that racist clashes between Muslims and Sikhs are based on false views of each other’s cultures. According to Ms Sira, it has had a powerful effect, but the issue of hatred still remains between the two large communities, which combined make up nearly a quarter of Slough’s 119,067-strong population. She said: "The majority of Asian schoolchildren want to combat the image that all Muslims and Sikhs are in gangs and want to be violent, but tensions are still lurking. "We know that the two gangs are not actively recruiting from schools like they were about a decade ago, but unfortunately, many of the older gang members are now trying to influence their younger siblings. "It should be remembered that alongside the rivalry, drugs and low self-esteem have also played a part in the stand-off between the Sikh and Muslim community. They have to be tackled as well." This will be harder for Aik Saath to do unless a source of funding is found soon. The group needs £80,000 to continue running next year and has so far failed to find a backer. In light of the rising tensions, it is no wonder project development worker Rob Deeks has described the current situation as "extremely serious". Back in Chalvey, however, there is little sense among the local community that anything violent is about to erupt. Malik Hussain, owner of travel agents Royal Travels, has lived in the district for more than 20 years. He said: "I was here in 1997 when the violence happened. It was terrifying and a worry for everybody. "Thankfully, nothing like that has happened since and I do not think it will again. People of many races now work and live here together in peace." Walking through The Crescent, only yards away from ‘Tiff’, Nasir Lodhi (pictured), 26, is also oblivious to any future feuds. He said: "I have been living in Slough for a year and there has been no race violence in that time. It seems very safe here." Determined to calm any tension which may erupt in the future, Slough Council has just launched the Slough Faith Partnership, a multi-agency group made up of Sikh, Muslim, Christian and Quaker community leaders. It will meet every three months to discuss issues within each community. Rafiq Chohan, the council’s head of equalities and economic development, said: "We have not taken our eye of the ball and become complacent. This is a diverse town and the different groups have different issues, so it is important we address them all. "The violence of 1997 was partly down to the fact that unemployment among young people at that time was high and so many turned to violence. That is not so much the case now, but there are still definitely concerns."

is their a plan on how ppl plan on getting khalistan, a game plan and what type of country do khalistanis want it to be, just like the sikh empire was were achole hunting and so on was allowed, or a strict sikh country were achole and meat is banned certain media is banned and laws are banned and it to be a strict religious sikh country

Really? Yet somehow you have the right to challenge Guru Gobind Singh Ji? If we have any love for Sikhi, regardless of our personal circumstance, we need to honor it's parameters and definition, rather than whimper about our individual frail egos and need for identity. uhhh how am i challenging maharaj?? lol and u want to honor sikhi's paramaters? u want to honor a sikh's definition? really. start with urself. how many hours do u spend doing nitnem singh sahib? how many banis do u know by heart? do u do panj granthi nitnem? do u do dass granth nitnem? how many hours do u do simran ji? lets hear it. pata tey lage tusi aap kini sikhi honor kiti aa. Shastr, save the good ol punjabi showdown. You win. In your previous post, you were perhaps trying to be humble rather than challenge maharaj. However, given the nature of the thread you were challenging, and perhaps inadvertently, perverting sikhi. There are many kids who read this and there is a pervasive whimpering that is gaining ignorant confidence to suggest…. identity is not necessary for a Sikh!! And in the context of the thread, that is what you supported. My comment was not about your personal practice but about your comment. What an absurd response? This is where you completely miss the point. I am saying that anyone who cares for sikhi will not redefine sikhi to suit their purposes. As for our personal practices, well you be the Sikh and I not, that is fine with me...I am forever learning ABCs. However, it is not fine that Guru Gobind Singh Ji's sacrifices be challenged. I think we're not so far apart on our thoughts, in lieu of a showdown, how about you make the cha, i'll bring the snacks, and I just give you a loving smack to restore harmony. Then I'll be your student when it comes to honor. only god knows whose a sikh or not, hence why ppl who say someone is not a sikh unless he is gursikh should shutup, cause their driving ppl away from the gurdwaras and their begining to get slapped in the face and attacked when they try judging others but lets say someone is a gursikh and is to coward to fight for sikhi yet another is not a gursikh but dies fighting defending sikhi, im pretty sure god is going to look at that person as a sikh, i could be wrong cause i don't know how god decides but thats what i believe plus especially if your from england, what do you have to say about the shere punjab who majority of the members were not gursikh but fought against the islamic extremists, ill say they were true sikhs compared to any so ccalled gursikh who would hide in the gurdwara doing keertan to scared to stand up to the extremists, cause if they truly believed in thei rsikhi and god they would have the same guts as that non gursikh out fighting to defend sikhi PS im talking about so called gursikhs being cowards not real gursikhs cause a real gursikh would never judge someone

Really? Yet somehow you have the right to challenge Guru Gobind Singh Ji? If we have any love for Sikhi, regardless of our personal circumstance, we need to honor it's parameters and definition, rather than whimper about our individual frail egos and need for identity. uhhh how am i challenging maharaj?? lol and u want to honor sikhi's paramaters? u want to honor a sikh's definition? really. start with urself. how many hours do u spend doing nitnem singh sahib? how many banis do u know by heart? do u do panj granthi nitnem? do u do dass granth nitnem? how many hours do u do simran ji? lets hear it. pata tey lage tusi aap kini sikhi honor kiti aa. i think god can only decide whose a sikh or not, but personal belief is to determine who has the most love for god is someone who is willing to sacirfice his life for god and many sacirficed their lives for god who were not gursikh

they bring youth together to empower them and try solving community problems, why you uneasy

how can we bring sikhs from all sections of our community together

Really? Yet somehow you have the right to challenge Guru Gobind Singh Ji? If we have any love for Sikhi, regardless of our personal circumstance, we need to honor it's parameters and definition, rather than whimper about our individual frail egos and need for identity. at the end of the day only god can decide whose a sikh or not and not a person Really? Yet somehow you have the right to challenge Guru Gobind Singh Ji? If we have any love for Sikhi, regardless of our personal circumstance, we need to honor it's parameters and definition, rather than whimper about our individual frail egos and need for identity. at the end of the day only god can decide whose a sikh or not and not a person

what can be done to help inspire young sikhs who have no clue about sikhism or sikh history what can be done to inspire them to learn

<H1 class=title>Every Time We've Had Our Babies, People Have Almost ... Commiserated</H1>October 5th, 2009 by Maple Leaf Sikh Source: www.mapleleafsikh.com Just in case the rest of the world didn't know what a sorry state Punjab was in with respect to its gender imbalance, there has been two headline reports from Canada's biggest newspapers in recent weeks. The first deals with the problem in India and the second talks about how the problem has been exported to Canada. The first from the Globe and Mail entitled "Land of the Rising Son", examines how India has responded to the decline of female births. There's two sad learnings from the article. One is that Punjab is still in the worst position with respect to male-female gender ration and the second is that an individual's level education has does little to reverse generations of discrimination. The richest neighbourhoods in the country – the wealthy farming areas of the Punjab, the middle-class areas of Mumbai and other cities, and here, the leafy neighbourhoods in the south of the capital – have the biggest gaps. High-caste families in urban areas of the Punjab have just 300 girls for every 1,000 boys, researchers financed by Canada's International Development Research Centre (IDRC) reported last year. In South Delhi, it's 832 girls born per 1,000 boys; in the state of Haryana, home to the high-tech hub of Gurgaon, it's 822. (In “normal” circumstances, demographers expect to find 950 to 1,000 girls born for every 1,000 boys). Conventional wisdom has long held that as India develops – as more families struggle their way into the middle class, more girls go to school and more women join the work force – traditional ideas about the lesser value of girls will erode. The incentive to abort them would fall away. Instead, the opposite has happened, and the reasons – and solutions – have government and activists stumped. “These educated, well-off women, who still want sons – this is really the crux of the problem and the government has not caught on to it,” says Farah Naqvi, author of a major study on attitudes to “son preference.” “Yes, you have these very modern women today – you see them in spandex at the local gym … but it's a complicated modernity. It's two worlds these women are straddling.” Women with a Grade 10 education or higher are four times as likely to have a second child who is a son, after a first daughter, as are women who are illiterate. “These educated, employed women are earning very well, and yet they prefer a son,” says N.B. Sarojini, head of SAMA, a health organization that tries to help women resist sex-selection pressure. “Why are rich women worst? If you have a male child, you are more valued in society – it's true in any class.” The crucial question, she adds, is why that idea has proved so immutable. The article also speaks to economics of raising a female in India. And then there's cold, hard economics: In the words of a Punjabi proverb, raising a daughter is like watering your neighbour's garden. Girls leave home at marriage, taking whatever skills or assets they have accrued. And the practice of dowry, once restricted to the highest castes, has been adopted at all levels of society – as a sign of social status – and is nearly universally practised even though it was outlawed in 1961. (Like the law against sex selection, this one seeks to alter a widely accepted social practice, and there is little enforcement – in fact, many feminists argue, government is reinforcing the practice by offering cash to unwed girls on their 18th birthdays.) In aspirant middle-class families in south Delhi today, a typical dowry provided to a groom's family can include a sports car, a large apartment, all its furniture including high-end electronics, and thousands of dollars in clothing. “Increasing materialism … and the emphasis on obtaining consumer lifestyle products has exacerbated the problem of dowry,” Ms. Naqvi says. So what happens to all these men who can't find wives? The shortage of potential wives is a subject of frequent coverage by the Indian media. And there are alarming stories – particularly from Punjab and Haryana – of human trafficking. Lower-caste women are bought in states such as Jharkhand, where the sex ratio is roughly equal, and then sold for a few hundred dollars in higher-caste communities. To top it all off, Punjabis have brought their desperate obsession for baby boys to Canada. On the front page of Saturday's Toronto Star, there's an undercover report of a man selling pills to Punjabi women that promise an 85% chance of having a boy. To top it off, the salesman is actually an editor of the Ajit Weekly newspaper that advertises the services. On a windswept street in a bustling industrial area on the outskirts of town, a stocky man in a white shirt and dark jeans pulls out three Ziploc bags containing red, brown and silver pills. Take two red and brown pills each day for a week, he tells the woman who says she is nine weeks pregnant, and your baby has an 85 per cent chance of being a boy. Then he demands $750 in cash. Magic pills or not, the trend of more girls than boys in South Asian (and Punjabi) parts of Canada is clear. Canada does not collect statistics based on ethnicity at birth. But statistics here, now home to more than a million Indo-Canadians, many from Punjab, also show a somewhat skewed gender ratio. According to 2006 census figures, nationally there are 932 girls to 1,000 boys under age 15 in the South Asian community, compared to 953 girls to 1,000 boys in the general population. The numbers in the South Asian community in the Toronto area become much more skewed: 917 girls to 1,000 boys in the Toronto Central Metropolitan Area. Broken down further, it shows 904 girls to 1,000 boys in Mississauga, and 864 girls to 1,000 boys in Brampton. "That means the sex-ratio is 50 per cent higher for under-15 South Asians as compared to the general population (in the Toronto CMA)," said David Foot, professor of economics at the University of Toronto and a demographics expert. "I would say that is concerning." That's a huge gap proportionally, says Myer Siemiatycki, a professor in immigration settlement studies at Ryerson University. "In the Punjabi and South-Asian population, the numbers show a clear tilt in favour of men while it's the opposite in the national population (where overall there are more Canadian women than men). There's no question something significant is happening in the under-15 age group." Some significant indeed. If education doesn't help back home and moving to the West isn't helping us here, what then? Where do we go from here? Where are we going to end up? Hopefully the story of the Bedi family gives us hope. Prabhsharan Bedi was born on a snowy March night 13 years ago. While the baby and mother, Rupinder Bedi, were still in hospital, Randhir Bedi, the father, bought sweets and distributed them to family members and friends. When the mother and her baby girl returned home, the couple invited almost a 100 people for a celebration. Over the next 12 years, the couple welcomed three more daughters – and celebrated in similar fashion. Manmeet is 10, Binwant is 8 and Japneet will shortly turn 3. It is not rare but unusual for a Punjabi family to have three or four daughters. "Girl or boy, it never mattered to us," says Randhir. "But people are funny. Every time we've had our babies, people, even family members, have almost ... commiserated." Randhir, 39, who lives in Mississauga and works in Woodbridge, says even his own parents, who live with the family, have dropped subtle hints "that it'll be nice to have a boy also. They love the girls but think there should be a boy too." The couple, who immigrated in 1991, laugh it off and tell their parents how brilliant the girls are and how they will make the family proud. "It's the way our culture is – everyone believes a family is incomplete without a boy," says Randhir. "Rupinder and I don't believe in it and we tell people that."

i made the thread and it i consider them sikhs its ppl like KEERPA and many guys like him you'll see at the gurdwaras who go around judging ppl saying if their sikhs or not when only god can decide, its ppl like KEERPA who think that its more of a sacirfice to sit in the gurdwara do keertan all day then give your life for sikhi i think someone who could die for sikhi is a sikh, that is giving your life over to god and that is what sikhi asks us to do and ppl like KEERPA who are driving ppl away from the gurdwaras, and angering ppl at weddings when these idiots start lecturing ppl during weddings, and ppl hate being lectured thats what drives them away human nature is we listen best when we are inspired

who inspire others

i heard over a million school kids in new jersey are getting educated on sikhi

what our some problems we face and what can be some possible solutions to these problems

what our some problems we face and what can be some possible solutions to these problems