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Justice Markandey Katju's reply to two students who want to sue him Press Council Chairman Justice Markandey Katju has replied to the two students from Lucknow who sent him a legal notice for his comment that "90% of Indians were idiots." After Justice Katju's statement at a seminar in New Delhi last week that at least 90 percent of Indians are "idiots", who can be easily be misled by mischievous elements in the name of religion, law student Tanaya Thakur, and her brother, Class XI student Aditya Thakur, sent a sent a legal notice to Press Council of India Chairperson. They have said they will move court if Justice Katju doesn't apologise. Justice Katju today replied to the legal notice. (Read: Justice Katju's blog) Here's the full text of the letter: Dear Tanaya and Aditya, I have received your email, and am giving my reply, but before doing so in detail I wish to make some preliminary remarks: 1. I have been misquoted in the press reports, but it is true that I have said that 90% Indians (not all) are fools. My intention in saying so was not to hurt anyone but to awaken people to the realities, that is, the widespread casteism, communalism, superstitions, and other backward traits in the mindset of a large section of our people which is blocking our progress and keeping us poor. 2. The figure 90% is not a mathematical figure, it simply means that in my opinion a large proportion of Indians (and again I repeat, not all) are fools. 3. I never named you, nor any community, caste, or sect, and I never said that you are in the category of 90%. Hence I do not see how you are defamed. 4. I made this comment not to humiliate or harm anyone but because I love the Indian people, they are my people, and I wish them to prosper and have decent lives, which is only possible if the Indian masses develop the scientific outlook and scientific temper and give up casteism, communalism, superstitions and other mental attitudes which a large part (not all) of them presently suffer from. I wish to see India in the front ranks of the advanced industrialized nations of the world, with our people having a high standard of living, instead of suffering from the present evils of massive poverty, unemployment, price rise, corruption, farmer's suicides, child malnutrition, absence of health care and good education, casteism etc. So you see I made that statement not to harm the Indian people, whom I love, but to benefit them. The truth is sometimes bitter, but sometimes bitter medicine has to be given to an ailing person. Having said this, I may proceed to give a more elaborate explanation. I wish to first of all clarify that I do not regard Indians as inherently stupid or foolish. It is only at present that large parts of our people are foolish. But there was a time when we were leading the whole world in science and technology, and India was perhaps the most prosperous country in the world. It is now that we are having bad times, but we had a glorious past and shall have a glorious future too, but for that we have to get rid of casteism, communalism, superstitions and other backward traits in the mentality of a large part of our people (because of which I call them fools). India's Past With the aid of science we had built mighty civilizations thousands of years ago when most people in Europe( except in Greece and Rome) were living in forests. We had made outstanding scientific discoveries e.g. decimal system in mathematics, plastic surgery in medicine, etc (see in this connection my article 'Sanskrit as a Language of Science on my blog justickatju.blogspot.in and on the website kgfindia.com). However, we subsequently took to the unscientific path of superstitions and empty rituals, which has led us to disaster. The way out of the present morass is to go back again to the path shown by our scientific ancestors, the path of Aryabhatta and Brahmagupta, Sushrut and Charak, Panini and Patanjali, Ramanujan and Raman. It is not necessary to mention here all the great achievements of our ancestors, but I may just mention a few. 1. The decimal system in mathematics was the most remarkable and revolutionary invention in the past, and it was created by Indians. To understand its significance, one must know that the ancient Romans, who built a great civilization (The civilization of Caesar and Augustus), felt very uncomfortable with numbers above 1000. This was because they expressed their numbers in alphabets, I standing for 1, V for 5, X for 10, L for 50, C for 100, D for 500, and M for 1000. There was no single alphabet expressing a number above 1000. Hence to write 2000 an ancient Roman had to write MM, to write 3000 he had to write MMM, and to write 1 million he had to write M one thousand times, which would drive him crazy. On the other hand, our ancestors discovered the number 0, and hence to write 1 million they had simply to put 6 zeros after 1. 2. Plastic surgery was invented by Sushrut 2000 years ago, whereas Europeans invented it only about 100 or 200 years back. 3. The English alphabets are all arranged haphazardly, there is no reason why D is followed by E, or E by F, or F by G, etc. On the other hand Panini in the first 14 sutras of his Ashtadhyayi arranged the alphabets in Sanskrit scientifically. Thus , the first sequence of 5 consonants (the ka varga i.e. ka, kha, ga, gha, na ) are all sounds which emanate from the throat, the second sequence from the middle of the tongue, the third from the roof of the mouth, the fourth from the tip of the tongue, and the fifth from the lips. The second and fourth consonants in each sequence are aspirants in which the sound 'ha' is combined with the previous consonant e.g. ka+ha =kha. 4. 5000 years ago in the Indus Valley Civilization the system of town planning was created with straight streets, covered drains, water and sewage system, etc. Before the coming of the British India was a prosperous country. Its share in world trade in 1700 was about 30%, which fell to 2% by the end of British rule and is still not more than 3%. India's Present Today there is no doubt that India is a poor country. While there are some pockets of affluence, about 80% of our people are afflicted with poverty, unemployment and other evils, and one major cause of this is the mental backwardness of a large part of our people. (though there are also brilliant people like the Indian scientists and engineers in Silicon Valley) Consider the following: 1. When most of our people go to vote they cast their votes on the basis of caste or religion, not the merit of the candidate. What else is the meaning of vote banks? And this is exploited by some unscrupulous politicians who know how to manipulate and manage these vote banks. That is why many persons with criminal backgrounds get elected. 2. 'Honour' killings are common in many parts of the country. This is a barbaric practice, and shows how backward many of us still are. 3. Dowry deaths are common in India, and as a former Judge I can tell you that our courts have a large number of cases of young married women who are murdered in a barbaric manner by their in laws for not getting dowry e.g. by pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. 4. Scheduled castes are still often treated inhumanly, and an example is the recent attack on dalits in Dharmapuri district in Tamil Nadu. 5. Female foeticide is common in many parts of India. Often when a male child is born the relatives are happy and distribute sweets, but when a female child is born often relatives get dejected. This is also a sign of backwardness among many of us. 6. Communalism, which was almost non-existent in 1857, is widespread in our society today. Muslims often face discrimination in getting jobs, houses on rent, etc, as the Justice Sachar Committee report has highlighted. Muslims are often falsely implicated in bomb blasts and they have to spend years in jail though ultimately found innocent. As I mentioned, upto 1857 communalism was almost non-existent in India. There were no doubt differences between Hindu and Muslims, but there was no enmity between them. In the Mutiny of 1857 Hindus and Muslims jointly fought against the British. After crushing the Mutiny the British decided that the only way to control India was divide and rule. Consequently, the policy came from London to create hatred between Hindus and Muslims. The British Collector used to secretly call the Panditji and gave him money to speak against the Muslims, and similarly he gave money to the Maulvi Saheb to speak against Hindus. All communal riots began after 1857. The communal award in the Minto-Morley 'Reforms' of 1909 introduced separate electorates for Hindus and Muslims. Year after year, decade after decade, the communal poison was injected by the British into our body politic, and even after 1947 there are elements which continue this (see online 'History in the Service of Imperialism' and my article 'What is India' on my blog justicekatju.blogspot.in) Certain agent provocateurs take advantage of our backwardness to incite communal riots, and unfortunately many people fall prey to these evil designs and get emotionally carried away by communal propaganda and fight with each other. 5. Superstition is rampant in India. Most people believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. And it is not just the illiterates who believe in it, it is also most of the so called educated people in India. Many Ministers and Judges prefer to take oath of office at the 'auspicious' time. A few years back it was announced that Lord Ganesh is drinking milk, and there was a rush of people to offer milk to Ganesh. Earlier, a 'miracle' chapati was circulating. 6. A large section of the media, taking advantage of the backwardness of a large section of our people, dishes out lives of filmstars, cricket, etc as if these are the real issues before the people, when the real issues are socio-economic. As I said above, when I called most people(not all) fools I did not wish to harm them, rather it was just the contrary. I want India to become a prosperous country, but this is possible only when the mindset of a large number of people changes, and their minds are rid of casteism, communalism, superstitions, and other backward ideas and they become scientific and modern. By being modern I do not mean wearing a nice suit or a beautiful sari or skirt. By being modern I mean developing a modern mind, which means a rational mind, a scientific mind, and a questioning mind. As already stated above, at one time we led the whole world in science and technology, but today we are undoubtedly far behind the West and even China. How did this happen? Why were we left behind, why did we not have an Industrial Revolution like Europe? This is known as 'Needham's Question' or 'Needham's Grand Question', named after Prof. Joseph Needham of Cambridge University (1900-1995). It is high time Indians try to answer this question, instead of trying to evade the reality of the backwardness of most of us. The worst thing in life is poverty, and 80% of our people are poor, which is largely because of the mental backwardness of most (not all) of us. To abolish poverty we need to spread the scientific outlook to every nook and corner of our country. It is only then that India will shine. And until that happens the vast majority of our people will continue to be taken for a ride. Justice Markandey Katju

I hear you but nothing's black and white. Dishonest/malicious reporting aside and the very real need for genocide recognition the same media group hosted this discussion: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/1984-anti-sikh-riots-will-sit-help-deliver-justice/253206?v_also_see

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From their facebook page: Sikhs Beware (Part 1) For the last several months India has been working hard to provoke, incite, delegitimize and dehumanize the Sikh Nation. Though this behavior is nothing new, it’s the intensity that has amplified many folds. All this started after the Bhai Rajoanna issue and the consequences may be dire for our sisters and brothers living in occupied Punjab. Parkash Badal knew executing Professor Bhullar and Bhai Rajoanna wouldn’t be easy, that’s why he promoted the notorious killer Sumedh Saini to DGP. It was believed that his reputation for torture, rape and murder would scare anyone in Punjab who thought about demonstrating against these acts of state murder. The Indians decided to execute Professor Bhullar first because his case was more difficult. For Professor Bhullar has been stating he was innocent, the Indians “convicted” him based on a law they recognize as illegal and is no longer enforced, yet was brought back only for him. No witnesses or evidence was used against Bhullar besides his own confession which he stated the Indians obtained through torture. When the Sikh Nation abroad raised this issue at the international level in western countries and all of Punjab with horror at this potential act of murder, the Indians started to worry. They decided not to go ahead with his execution, because this act would be a disaster for them on the international level and they didn't want to appear to be in the wrong. Plus they had Bhai Rajoanna, his guilt was clear to everyone, he openly confessed. But before Rajoanna’s case came forward, news broke that the Indians were planning on releasing Kishori Lal the butcher of Trilokpuri from jail. Lal had been found guilty of physically murdering innocent Sikhs during the 1984 Sikh Genocide. He had been sentenced to death over 4 times, yet every time the Indian Supreme court would overturn that decision and give him life in jail. It’s extremely rare for anyone to be punished for exterminating Sikhs during the 1984 Genocide, let alone be life in jail. But the Indian court system said this man was no longer a threat to other ‘Indians’ so he should be set free. When this news spread within the Sikh Nation, people were shocked at the lack of sensitivity shown by India. On the one hand they had a man who physically murdered so many innocent Sikhs with his bare hands. He earned the name “the butcher of Trilokpuri”, on the other they have a man who has been claiming his innocence since day 1, no evidence exists against him and he was sent to death on a law that is illegal, how is that fair? So India quietly decided not to go through with his release. But India still wanted to send a clear message to the Sikh Nation and Bhai Rajoanna was the man to send it through. Though Rajoanna has physically not murdered anyone, he was involved in the conspiracy to murder the then PM of Punjab, and seeing has how he openly confesses to his crime, his execution shouldn’t be a problem and India could show the world that Sikhs are indeed ‘terrorists’. But it is at this point the reality in Punjab changed. All of a sudden, every Sikh in Punjab and outside of Punjab came out in numbers not seen since the 80s. This was because every young Sikh now living in Punjab knew that the only reason why they had survived the late 90s was because the Butcher Beant didn’t get to fully execute his plan. And who was one of the person responsible for stopping the Butcher Beant, Bhai Rajoanna. But the issue isn’t that the Sikhs were able to stop Bhai Rajoanna’s execution, no, the real issue is the level, organization and dedication shown by the average Sikh in and outside of Punjab. India doesn’t fear armed rebellions, there are currently a dozen armed struggle for independence happening as I talk within India. India’s BIGGEST fear is a united civil movement for independence, the kind witnessed in Egypt. The Indians quickly sent in the army and the paramilitary, there were roadblocks every mile, the big bad Sumedh Saini couldn’t stop it, no one knew what to do, but more importantly no one knew how this had happened. India was left with no option but to stop the execution of Bhai Rajoanna. Though this was a victory for us, it was an eye opener for all the Indian agencies like RAW, IB and the notorious 3rd Agency. Had Rajoanna asked the youth to occupy a place in Punjab till Punjab was liberated, it would have been impossible for them to kill everyone so openly. Red flags were going up everywhere and it was decided something had to be done to stop us, to delegitimize and dehumanize us, to provoke and incite us to violence so that we do not take the peaceful route to independence. India's Quick Tricks (Part 2) During the next few months the Indians planned different ways to stop the Sikh Nation, though we have no direct access to the plans, some information has come to us from concerned individuals who do have access. We gave these brave souls our guarantees that we would not reveal their identities. The first act was to send two criminals responsible for human rights vi olations and acts of genocide against the Sikhs to the Olympic Games in London, Jagdish Tytler and KP Gill. It was a small thing to do, but it would have a great affect at further victimizing the UK Sikhs. All Sikh organizations from across the globe objected to this. The Indians learnt that criminal cases may be prepared against both Tytler and Gill and it was agreed that the risk was too high. So they publically declared both criminals would not be going. But the Indians still wanted to send message to the Sikhs. So one day before, the Indians announced to the world that they would be sending Amitabh Bachchan to carry the Olympic torch on behalf of India. They knew that if they announced this disgusting act the day before, Sikh organizations wouldn’t have enough time to prepare as they did for Tytler and Gill. And so, the man who incited the 1984 Sikh Genocide entered England as an honorary guest and carried the torch around London as a hero. Before they could implement another plan, the Wisconsin terrorist attack happened on a Gurdwara. Public sympathy for Sikhs started flowing in from all across the world, especially America. The Indian action plan was to stop this as best as possible, so they paid for fake demonstrations to be done outside the American Embassy in India. At most there were a few dozen people, yet through their diplomatic and corporate connections, the mainstream western media was made aware of it. So when someone was reporting Sikhs as victims of terror it was offset by images of paid Indians looking like Sikhs burning the US flag. Within days of this horrible act of terror, Parkash Badal believed he could go to America (on the pretext of attending his friend’s daughter’s wedding) and subdue the awareness campaign spreading like wildfire in North America. His son, Sukhbir Badal, was dispatched to the UK first then he was to go to Canada. The plan was very simple, go to each of the major cities in North America and the EU where Sikhs have settled. Once there, identify the different gurdwara committee members. Once they knew who was running the gurdwaras, they would target them through different subversive tactics. The end goal was to immediately stop all discussion about the events of 1984 and the demand for justice. The Badals have a very good track record on subverting Sikhs and it was believed this plan would finally put an end to the ‘Sikh problem’. But unfortunately for them, the Sikh community was prepared for this contingency. We (Sikhs for Justice) received information from our contact some time before Badal’s visit and were able to prepare a civil case against him for ordering and protecting those who committed acts of torture, rape and murder. We also prepared a case against Sukhbir Badal in Canada, but after seeing his father being served, he was advised not to come. Frustrated, the Indians then planned to create an environment in which the Sikhs in Punjab would attack Bihari laborers on a mass scale leading to a mass exodus, similar to what’s happening in the North West of India and Mumbai. If this was to happen, the Sikhs would be presented to the world as hateful racists attacking innocent laborers. So the Indians paid some random Biharries, got them drunk and incited them to attack a gurdwara. To the shock of the agencies, before they could incite the Sikhs, a random person walked into the Police state where the criminals were being held and shot the Bihari responsible for the crime. This single act brought closer for most Sikhs and it was clear this plan had failed. Since then the Indians have been trying to get another Bihari to attack another Gurudwara. It’s only a matter of time before they find someone desperate enough to do it. When it happens, we must do our utmost to counter the attempts made by the Indians to incite Sikhs on a mass scale. Fearing that the sympathy for Sikhs might solidify, the Indians became so desperate that they decided to issue “non-bailable” arrest warrants for 5 men who were involved in hijacking an Air India plane to Pakistan in 1981. All had already been convicted and served their time in jail, in Pakistan. But India needed a headline for the world media and their diplomatic missions needed something serious to give to their counterparts. The stupidity of this action speaks for itself. Overlooking the fact that this is double jeopardy, the Sikh Nation was once again wondering how India was able to charge 5 Sikhs for an act that happened in 31 years ago in which no one was injured, yet unable to find the organizers of the 1984 Sikh Genocide in which over 30 000 Sikhs were exterminated across India. And more to the point, why is it when Indians hijacked a plane in 1978 to object Indira Gandhi’s arrest, Bholanath and Devendra Pandey, they were rewarded Congress Party candidacies? One even went on to become a Party General Security. Devendra Pandey is still involved in the Congress Party, neither was ever charged or served any time. India's Design Executed - Part 3 September, the Indians had finalized a strategy to delegitimize Sikhs living abroad and within India. They first got the Indian Overseas Congress president, Vikram Bajwa, to make wild accusations against the Sikhs living in Canada, US, UK and EU. They then gave his statements national coverage through their news media, hoping the international papers may pick them up. When the Canadian Foreign Minister arrived in India, they bombarded him with the accusations made by Vikram Bajwa. Confused and fearing losing billions in financial agreements, the Canadian Diplomat politely agreed with his hosts to investigate their accusations. The Indians emphasized the danger posed by the internet and all the different material being put on there by different organizations. They claimed that organizations posing as Human Rights Activists are in fact ‘terrorist’ organizations. But they kept coming back to this idea that somehow the Sikhs in Punjab are being ‘radicalized’ by the content on the internet, being posted by Sikhs living abroad. To prove their point, they targeted Sikh Organization for Prisoners Welfare (SOPW), a UK based organization. The Indians claimed that this organization was promoting terrorism and somehow radicalizing the youth. They then targeted Akali Dal Panch Pardhani and arrested Kulbir Singh Barapind and Daljit Singh Bittu. They told their Canadian, American, UK and EU counter parts to investigate money transfers to any of these organizations or individuals as these funds have been used for ‘terror related activities’. The case against Bhai Bittue and Bhai Barapind is beyond belief. They were first arrested as an act of preventing their participation in the ‘India Bandh’ being organized by Indian political parties, even though their political party had never declared they would participate in this shutdown of India. Then it was said they were arrested for possession of RDX (expolives) and possession of seditions material. But soon the Indian Police admitted that no RDX was found and that the ‘seditions material’ was readily available on most corner shops in India. So then they said these two were going to revive ‘terrorism’ in Punjab. That they had unearthed a plan hatched by them to target and murder some Indian ‘godman’. One article even said Bhai Bittu was part of the Naxalite movement. And the drama still continues to today. But India overlooked a big problem, Kulbir Singh Barapind had been extradited to India from the US to face criminal charges. Barapind was able to prove his innocence and was found not guilty. To get Barapind to India, the Indians had given guarantees to the United States that they would not torture Barapind. But on his first court appearance, Barapind made serious accusations against the Indian Police of torture. And as a result of international outcry from Sikh organizations Human Rights Watch became involved and now it’s a very confusing / messy situation. But in the meantime, India is pushing hard for Western countries to ban Akali Dal Panch Pardhani and label it a terrorist organization. Then all of a suddan an alleged attack happened on Kuldip Brar, one of the men who commanded the invasion of Harmandir Sahib. Was it a RAW operation or just some average guys who saw a war criminal walking down the street and decided to take action? At this point in time as I write this article, little is known, but one thing is clear, the Indians have milked this incident as much as possible. Through this one act, the Indians are now trying their utmost to stop the Shaheedi Memorial being constructed within Harmandir Sahib for Sant Jarnail Singh and all those Sikhs who attained martyrdom defending Akal Takhat. The Indians are so scared by this memorial because it shatters all their efforts to demonize Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. For the last 34 years, since 1978, the Indians have tried to present him as an ‘extremist’, a ‘fanatic’ and a ‘terrorist’. But these lies have little effect on Sikhs, as most knew him or saw his speeches (live or on the net) or have family members who knew him. Non-Sikhs however accept these stories unquestionably. They have no direct access to the truth and most people are too busy in their own lives to really bother with truth. It was believed that over time 10, 20 heck 50 or even 100 years later, eventually, the Indians will succeed at rewriting history and future generations of Sikhs will accept the revisionist history of India. But if this Shaheedi Memorial is constructed, then they will fail. For as long as Harmandir Sahib stands, the Shaheedi Memorial rial will educate Sikhs for generation to come about what the Indian government did. Brar is even more horrified, he will go down in Sikh history as one of the men responsible for invading Harmandir Sahib and murdering countless innocent Sikhs. So today we see unprecedented attention being given to the Shaheedi Memorial, the Indians are hell bent on stopping it. Some have suggested they may even use violence to stop its construction. While raising the issue of Brar the Indians, who are still trying to find ‘Sikh Terrorists’, arrested Sukhwinder Singh Sukhi a police informant who once infiltrated Sikh organizations. Sukhi is what’s labeled a ‘Cat’, a man who works with the Indian Police but pretends to be a Sikh freedom fight. These are the people many Punjabis hold responsible for crimes attributed to the Sikh freedom fighters. By arresting Sukhi, the Indian Police have arrested a state asset, but they arrested him only for the purpose of highlighting the ‘rise in Sikh extremism’ to Western Nations. The Indians haven’t given up on their plan to portray Sikhs as hate filled racists. Recently a story broke that someone using a fake account pretending to be an Ahmadiyya Muslims and attempted to defile Guru Nanak Dev and other Sikh Gurus. This story was covered by the Times of India, how its news worthy is beyond comprehension. If one is to go on any Anti-Sikh page, there is tons of disrespectful stuff written. Plus majority of the Sikhs didn’t even know this happened, but the news agencies knew all about it and were told to highlight it. The reasoning behind this is clear, they wish for Sikhs to react possibly in a similar way to how people protested against the Anti-Muslim film uploaded on Youtube. Our source did tell us that there are suggestions to make a film against Sikh Gurus, but to his knowledge nothing had been made thus far. Just a few days ago, it was reported that the ‘Butcher of Trilokpuri’, Kishori Lal was once again given approval for release. Why would he be given approval again is clear, they want to create and we must not fall into the Indian trap Path to Victory (Part 4) As the details regarding India’s new operation to delegitimize, dehumanize, provoke and incite the Sikh Nation are still trickling out, we understand that there will be a lot more actions taken. But as a people we must strategize on our goals as well. And to do this, we must first learn from the past. It is important for us to understand why 1984 really happened. Most Sikhs know the truth about ‘what’ happened (though many non-Sikhs do not), but very few remember why it happened. The organized murder of Sikhs through the invasion of Harmandir Sahib and over 40 other Gurdwaras happened for two reasons. Firstly, it was to punish the Sikhs collectively so that they would be so psychologically traumatized that they would never think about resisting Indians dominance again. Indira Gandhi had been itching to use the army since Mehta Chowk. She believed that by using the army and its heavy weaponry, like tanks, the Sikhs could be intimidated into submission. So when she asked for 10 tanks to be sent to Mehta Chowk (where Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was staying), she believed finally Sikhs would be taught a lesson. But to her shock, the army commander, Lt General Sinha a greatly respected man who later refused to lead India’s invasion into Harmander Sahib, refused her order and demanded an explanation as to why tanks were needed to arrest a civilian. Having no answer Indira cancelled her order, only to use the tanks on a later date. The second reason is MUCH more important. On June 3rd 1984, the Sikh civil disobedience struggle was to enter its final stage. I say final because if it had been allowed to continue peacefully, India would have either capitulate to our demands or Punjab would be an independent country today. The final stage of our civil disobedience struggle involved two actions. The first act was for Sikhs to stop selling all their produce to India. As it is, Punjab produces 60% of the wheat and 40% of the rise consumed by India. Had the Sikhs refused to sell their produce, within days, max weeks, India would be at the verge of starvation / collapse. Second act was to stop paying all taxes to India. As Punjab was India’s richest province, we contribute more than 30% of all tax revenue collected by the center government. This final stage horrified the rulers of India. Had the Sikhs gone through with it, India would disintegrate within weeks. Imagine the chaos in India if over 60% of its people couldn’t eat. Some say Indians already don’t have enough food, but what if the little they had was reduced by 60%? And to top it off losing 30% of all revenue collected by India, the Indians wouldn’t be able to purchase the shortfall on the open markets. Plus the legitimacy of Sant Jarnail Singh would be crystal clear to the international community as the true leader for the people of Punjab. India would no longer have any legal right to govern the indigenes people of Punjab. Or the Indians could have given in to all our political demands. The demands in themselves were not extravagant, but the ruling class realized if the Anandpur Resolutions were implemented, their tyranny would come to an end. No longer would the central government have dictatorial powers to dismiss elected governments or implement policies they wanted. Rather the local states would have the freedom to govern over all provincial level issues, similar to how Canada, UK and America is governed. So before this final stage could be executed, the Indians decided it would be safer just to exterminate as many Sikhs as possible and all those who were advocating for the Anandpur Resolution. The Indians spent the next 10 to 15 years executing any Sikh and every Sikh who they believed did not accept their dominance, all under the pretext of ‘fighting terrorism’. Yes brave Sikhs tried to defend innocent civilians from the Indian Police and Army, but simple farmers are no match for trained armies who have the resources of nation to fund and equip them. This is why the Indians wish to provoke, incite, dehumanize and delegitimize us. They had truly believed the spirit of resistance had been extinguished in Sikhs. They had spent the 80s and 90s torturing, raping and murdering over 250 000 Sikhs. The youth born in the late 80s or early 90s were all deliberately addicted to alcohol and drugs. How could they possibly have enough courage or vision to once again demand representative democratic self-governance? But the Bhai Rajoanna demonstrations changed all this! And the Indians now know that it is only a matter of time before the final stage of the civil disobedience movement envisioned by our Saheed brothers and sisters is fulfilled by this generation. This is why they are aiming their guns at us and this is why we must stay ever vigilant and not fall into the Indian trap. We as a nation must once again work towards organizing ourselves at the grass roots level in Punjab. Every village must be reached, chapters must be open, and everyone must be educated about the truth. Our goal as a nation MUST be to complete the final stage of the civil disobedience movement. Only through peaceful civil acts of disobedience will we attain freedom!!

http://www.panjabtimes.co.uk/news/1857/

I've wrote out a bit of what Colin Gonsalves Senior Advocate in the Supreme Court of India said about Bhai Sahib in the news debate. ‘He is not a menace to society, he doesn’t need to be hung on this notion of rule of law. The insistence on the rule of law. It's very laughable. When Beant Singh who was called ‘The Butcher of Punjab’ and his police force were torturing and killing Sikh youth in the Punjab, where was the rule of law? Where was the justice done to the people? When people are put into a situation where the only way to stop a person's repression, massive repression, is to engage in the crime of killing that person, I think these cases stand on a special footing.’

Have you got a link to the whole news clip with Colin Gonsalves?

I don't know. Hence why I'm asking you clarifications on your advice.

'As sikhs learn the best fighting systems out their' I agree :happy2:

Wow ok. You didn't answer my first question :sad2:: but what if they don't have belts? Maybe they are hiding them somewhere? 'if the schools not have students sign documents to keep the school out of trouble and the school continues to train them if that student goes out their and hurts someone the schools owners and teachers can be criminally charged and can be brutally sued' Oh 'brutally sued' that must be fun. I need to find a teacher I can do that to! 'Once you turn pro and you choose to fight someone at the club in canada and a lot of the states in america you will be charged with assult with a deadly weapion and attempted murder' I can't wait till I turn pro and get charged with attempted murder. :ohno: 'If its a school run by an ex commando they will have documents and pictures of them in the commando forces up on the wals and documents to prove this' No way! What if they use the old photoshop trick?

Good topic. So I need to watch out for 'overweight black belts'. Gotcha, but what if they don't have belts? Maybe they are hiding them somewhere? 'Check out how many students in the martial arts school have their hands and body considered weapions so if they get into a fight they get charged with assult with a deadly weapion for using their hands and even will get charged with attempted murder if they get into a street fight' How do I do this? Is there some online database or something? 'Once your at a certain level in amature muay thai or mma or boxing you are no longer allowed to get into a street fight without getting charged with assult with a weapion' Surely defeats the point of doing martial arts? 'If its a boxing school mma school muay thai school or another martial arts school if students are considered weapions then its a good school' So I just ask: are you a weapon? What if they lie? Database check again?