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But thats exactly why I think we need a gora amritdhari as jathedar, n30singh. We need someone that can and will tell the masses that they are confusing their 'culture' for their 'religion'. Right now, it is our culture that is killing our religion and we need someone that can articulate how in many ways our culture is rotten to the core.

Panth knight kathavachiks such as gyani pinderpal singh, gyani kulwant singh , gyani mohan singh ji, gyani inderjit singh rabwale, Giani Harbhajan Singh (Dhudhikey)are doing just that, their kathas are pretty deep along with previous deep profound commentary of gurbani exegis and gurbani gnosis by bhai vir singh ji, sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale, bhai sahib kavi santok singh.

We got everything in punjabi language..but we do need lot of kathas and commentary translations done in english and in all different languages-so its widely available to masses

You're drowning in major ego...

Thank you for your concern, maharaj will take care of my ego no worries...just worry about yours and your psychotic obsessive fixation syndrome on attacking others. Let me make it crystal clear to you - i am not afraid of you and your shenanigans intimidation techniques.

I don't think western born as akaal takth jathedar is good idea as there are cultural of differences - akaal takth has to understand its people they represent and also most often we see lots of 3ho western sikhs they fail to make hard fast decisions they are more on piri side as opposed to balance miri and piri side.

But they definitely should be in team of akaal takth jathadar to spread sikhi out in west for example:

Dalai lama has strategically placed richard gere (buddhist convert Chairman of the Board of Directors International Campaign for Tibet) as its ambassador to west to do parchar of buddhism in the west and push for free tibet.

We both know the reality. Whether you admit it or not is up to you. You, Neo, Niddar, Kamalroop all have done major ninda in the past. I don't need to post proof (much of which you guys delete). I'm comfortable with my conscience.

Okay, how about Neo and Kamalroop?

They are major nindaks and liars. They are full of venom. Anyone who has followed them for many years would know that.

Sanatanists are the opposite side of the same coin with missionaries. Pure ninda and lies. Sanatanists are right wing extremists.

You basically follow them too.

When I first got banned, it was because I stood up to their lies, but they had inside links with admin and so they unfairly got me banned. You guys can't handle the truth. Y'all just want to divide everyone right when everyone is starting to get together a little bit. Your true colours have been shown.

Okay that's fine. Let's move on and unite. Put the differences to the side and unite on similarities. Unite with mutual love for Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jeeo Maharaj.

Haha, this is hilarious how you back peddling singing the glory of unity, now once singh1234577 set the record straight put you back in your place by challenging your baseless allegations against me and him.

So if i am sanatan as you claim you must be bhausaria in disguise ?

So tell me what else you want to change now? Do you want to replace all sant words with bhai in sri guru granth sahib ji ? Since you are allegric to word sanatan without contexualization..i am sure you would't mind changing the vak from gurbani:

ਅਬ ਮਨੁ ਉਲਟਿ ਸਨਾਤਨੁ ਹੂਆ ॥ अब मनु उलटि सनातनु हूआ ॥ Ab man ulat sanāṯan hū▫ā. My mind has now been restored to its original purity. Ang-327

See how silly my baseless allegations sounds, just want to show you how your baseless allegations sound.

In case you are wondering i did small analysis on word sanatan sikhi vs sanatan mat long time ago:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/10577-sanatan-sikhi-vs-sanatan-mat/

Which anti-Sikh process and individuals elected makker and SGPC to rule over our religious and political affairs?

SGPC has bought really good reforms/improvements so they are good but unfortunately not the same can be said about their past as biggest mistake they did adapt western way as johnny pointed out but also when they start controlling all the diverse sikh gurdwaras around punjab in hoping to stream line them in doing which ended up taking over their properties/ destroying lot of maryada in fact so so much there is special clause in anandpur sahib resolution which shaheeds of pre 1984 and post 1984 fought and died for which means:

8. Taking appropriate measures for the enactment of an All India Gurdwaras Act with a view to improving the administration of the gurdwaras throughout the country and to reintegrate the traditional preaching sects of Sikhism like Udasis and Nirmalas, without in any way encroaching upon the properties of their maths.

Interesting they have arrested an amritdhari woman for the Beadbhi on Guru ji in Ludhiana

http://1khalsa.net/2015/10/19/beadbi-of-guru-granth-saib-ji/

Hopefully they would have cctv evidence to back this up or she may actually be dera follower taking sikhi saroop to cover the tracks.

Coming back to the topic at hand, well done to jagmeet singh to have media step up reporting these issues in India. Media and political pressure / political will to do something has to go hand in hand, just like in syrian refugee crisis otherwise message will get lost in void.

UK politicians I am sure is aware of the situation too.

Whether it is in their interest to do something or not is another matter.

It helps if you have sikh representation in your parliament though. For example, many sikhs in canada don't like conservatives, its consider right wing for many but we still have quite diverse varying range of sikhs supporting them which is good because at least we would have representation. We have tim uppal who may not be greatest tool in the box when it comes to sikh eccentric values..but nevertheless, he is great representation for us for his close friendship with defense minister/justice /immigration minister/canadian diplomats in india. He has bought many issues in punjab upfront to high level canadian diplomats in india.

Has there been anything on CBC, Rogers or any other Canada media outlet?

That's irrelevant, it really does not matter regarding media outlets as long as politicians are aware of it after all they-politicians/diplomats do the actual work on putting pressure on india condemning their actions..real work is behind the scenes not media story which is pigeon gallery anyway.

It's quite pitty shame uk sikhs have hardly any sikh representation in parliament, looks like uk lot seem to me more concerned about nitty gritty issues with their sikh mps instead of long term strategy.

Fast fwd to sikhs representation in canada, we have steady firm sikh representation in all three national parties strategically, this way we don't have to beg our media to bring awareness to sikh issues in india to politicians here , our sikh mps and their closed allies in high position does that.

Fast fwd to current times, whilst uk sikhs seems to be scrambling to get media coverage to get attention of politicians. In canada, our defense minister have already tweeted condemning the incident called india to put its own pressure on - sure one can argue coincidently canadian federal election is tom so its expected but if you take election out of equation on other events, canadian sikhs are much progressive on these things than uk sikhs who have absolutely zero unity on things, they are more concerned about mobing breaking ruining someone wedding day than looking at strategizing and looking at broader picture..time for them to take your heads out from sun does not shine.

English commentary may be yes after scholar /panth consesus but gurbani gurmukhi format no way.

Wow! That is exactly what my dad thinks. He hates simranjeet singh maan cuz after singhs went to the trouble and got him elected. He stepped down using kirpan issue to step down. Then sikhs boycotted the polls n beanta won with less than 10% of votes....n oppression n tyranny ruled in punjab...i never knew anyone else would agree with my dad and his too practical politics. Wat my dad says makes sense but nobody else agreed with him so i was always conflicted...so my dad thinks badal is a good guy who actually cares about punjab n knows how to navigate the corrupt indian politics ( by being corrupt himself i guess). He always says its better to have a sikh N akali dal rule punjab than a congress puppet like beanta. He also thinks bjp is trying to take over punjab by propaganda...which will be horrible cuz rss will rule n all the fake babas which my dad says are banned from punjab due to badal, will have freedom to do watever.now my dad has changed a little n he thinks we shud demand that nri get positions in sgpc. Based on population in.each country.outside india that way we can control wat happens...

So wat are ur views on the above? Especially about badal? At home my dad wont let us speak a word against him n outside everyone hates him...so i always wondered wats the reality. Is my dad being too dimwitted to see badals slyness n twofacedness n how having apna banda on kursi is blinding him or us everyone else being dimwitted by thinking having some other sikh will be better when in reality as indian states have very few power it wouldnt matter?

I don't agree with your father ji on badal. Badal turned to be biggest cancer in sikh panth. I do agree with him on assessment on simranjit singh man, one of his oversight cost us so much, this is why hot headed hasty people people should NOT be at forefront in political circle, refrain from making hasty political decisions, politics is all about mitigating the risks, strategizing, thinking long term plans, picking up good, some times, medicore options from bad and worst. There is a reason why sri guru gobind singh ji ordered all of us to read puratan indic literature such as chankya rajniti- text along with others.

Our best option at this point is either jarnail singh from aam admi or bhagwant man from aam admi party as next cm, 2nd best option would be independent sikh party running for next election.

Chardi-kalah is harmonious state of being/of our undivided -spirit, its not dependent on outside/external circumstances, its constant un intermittent effortless acceptance of divine will (not acceptance of personal will driven by thoughts/minds/five vices/psychological beleif patterns) but clear acceptance of pure cognitive harmonious intuitive divine will or force of whatever arising (spontaneous divine will acceptance/right actions driven by divine will) in the consciousness without any resistance at all.

Staying in divine will, righteous acts, good speech, good five attributes of panj pyares- dya, dharam, himmat, mokham, sahib qualities in all of us- are not meant to be enforced cultivated, they are spontaneously effortless arisen in individual who are attuned/connected with their state of being/unconditioned undivided one JOT(spirit)/shabad gyan.

I mentioned this before ...We should spent more energies looking to replace cm in next election to our panthic minded sikh than replacing jathedars. Regardless whoever you replace, he has to comply with cm request/demands as they are the ones governing, cm can make it very difficult for everyone its like in western countries without mayor/provincial leaders funding- cops have no power to enforce. Monarch system in akaal takht has unfortunately, has long gone. CM has full control over funding, satellite tv, media taxes, infrastructure, jobs, economy in punjab, police... forget about fixing water boys so called jathedars of akaal takth go to root- have panthic singhs/kaurs apply for cm nomination next election.

Biggest mistake sikhs did when they refused cm position when there was opportunity risen and didn't listen to baba thakur singh ji to have educated skh youth federation singhs apply for cm position, instead they totally boycotted the punjab gov't, result is infront of us- beant demonic terrorist came in and killed soo many innocents, killed generations and also started same old same old power game shifting between congress and akaali dal. When punjabi in punjab will wake up?

Ajnala has true guts and courage. But oh yeah, guys like you and Neo start labelling them as extremists and militants when they stand up for Sikhi and put people in their place...

And when Singhs get Shaheed....guys like you, Neo and Hundal are quiet and NEVER stand up for Sikh causes.

Major double standards and hypocrisy from many ppl on this forum and in general.

I have been watching the events quite closely, condemning this strongest possible term- punjab police terrorizing its citizens http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17154-beadbi-at-kotkapura-and-aftermath/

I signed the petition to bring more international media coverage/international pressure encouraging canadian sikh politicians to condemn this incident at strongest terms. You seem to be questioning all jatha's/samparda/people who you don't agree with, but forgot everyone has came together even panthpreet singh-missionary/ dhunda-missionaries and sant ranjit singh dhandrianewale. But i won't stoop to your level will post gyani pinderpal singh video to reiterate one unity stance:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=729083223903220

So once we together overcome this situation, we can dissect on details until then i kindly ask you to stop your whining, witch haunt, moaning.

Nice thread, just following on this thread on a lighter note..who came first ? Chicken or egg? lol

I used to have her book but i lost it..where can i find it again to buy it?

I will leave it gursikhs like yourself, dr gurnam singh ji, davinder singh panesar, bhai jagraj singh, bhai sukha singh (SAS) to address those issues in uk and if all this mess from UK... start flying over north west here will chat up world sikh organization- offical canadian sikhs body to come up with some meditation/de-radicalization programs.

Don't over do it...You can relate video game with spirituality as well, for example- while playing you may have encounter a feeling into the game that despite of outcome of the game you are unchanging/unaffected person sitting on a computer chair that despite of atrocities in the video game like you the character in the game got killed, someone run you over, despite of all that nothing happened in real life, you are still same.

Life is bit like video game because we see this world as separate world with its own independent reality that is mentioned as maya-illusion in gurbani shalok nauvan as per our ninth satguru tegh bahudar ji, create a bridge between you- pure awareness and multi world- viritual gaming world / the world you call real now and watch the drama unfold. More and more you create bridge between you and world/thoughts/sense perceptions more identification is lost - ready for transcendence into absolute reality/truth which mool mantar talks about.

Sant samaj is not what it used to be good group, you know how well the organization is when they cannot agree or have single unity stance among themselves.