jaswinder singh

re awaken the scythian spirit in you guys, we all have it in us

just get it awakened

Had there been voting for choosing panj piyare at anandpur sahib in 1969

just imagine what would have happened . We are lucky our master

went by selection and not election

/whatever happened at Greys is really disgusting , we in india have been

struggling that voting right for Sgpc should be reserved for Sabat Surats

only.Lets see how far we suceed

as far I know , maryada of amrit sanskaar does not allow any outsider (i mean panj piyare, Granthee saheb and the chobdars - the gatekeepers and the amrat abhlakhis are part of congregation and all others are outsiders) once the sanskar starts , so to keep the sanctity of maryada we should not try to make recordings , but that is my personal opinion depending on my own knowledge level , and the opinions may differ from person to person .However we can get copy of rehat maryada either

in print from SGPC or can download from the site of SGPC (punjabi & english versions are available )

even prints from Damdami taksal , AKJ , Sikh missionary college Ludhiana , DSGPC , management board

of Abchal Nagar sahib are also available

,

plz add 2000from my friend Surinder mohan singh of Jalandhar*waheguru Waheguru Waheguru, added jeo! Dhanvaad!*

plz add 1500 by bkb23 , 500 by sangat *Waheguru Waheguru, Dhan Dhan Dhan Guru Ke Pyaareo, added ji *

JUST BOIL IT IN SOME WATER & mix in milk or take it plain with honey

take it any way(even can mix in normal tea )it is best for health cures

common cold cough , soothes throat .

Those addicted to tea can try green or olong leaf tea ( it is unprocessed

so has very little caffeine , no tannin ( real health culprit in tea), a good

source of anti oxidants , if not boiled in Indian way it is too kind of

health drink .

In India we also have hari Chai, which is leaves of some kind of grass

growing in jungles, with very nice aroma and no addictive elements

if someone gets it , should try as it is said to have medicinal qualities.

For desi or Khalsa chai, we can have , dalchini , moti ilaichi,

banafsha, kali mirch, sundh(dry ginger ) lovang ( optional) app 10gm each

mixed with 75-100gms of saunf , quantity can be changed to taste

to be pounded to powder and used Some ppl add rose petals too ,

in winter can add kesar also . in facy every body has their own recipe

as per personal choice.

here is the real text as I have read in many manuscripts

where the actual word used by the GuruSahib is BUTSHIKAN

whish exactly means the idol breaker

ਮਨਮ ਕੁਸ਼ਤਹਅਮ ਕੋਹਿਯਾਂ ਪੁਰਫਿਤਨ ॥ ਕਿ ਆਂ ਬੁਤ ਪਰਸਤੰਦੁ ਮਨ ਬੁਤਸ਼ਿਕਨ ॥੯੫॥

मनम कुशतहअम कोहियां पुरफितन ॥ कि आं बुत परसतंदु मन बुतशिकन ॥९५॥

I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker.95.

if we read the sikh rehat maryada carefully, we can grasp the spirit of the matter,

in turbulent times(post guru gobind singh ji and pre Ranjit Singh) when the dal khalsa

had to spend days in jangals , they got very little time for gurbani paath as they were

always busy with fighting tyranny of the rulers , and hand written beers of Guru sahib

were in limited number onlyhence whenever they got 3-4 days spare and saroop of

Guru sahib , they would do akhand paath so as to get benefit of ureading and imbibing

spirit of Gurbani - hence even in rehat maryada what is written here i quote in letter

contained Chapter 3 article 9

Article IX

a. The non-stop reading of the Guru Granth Sahib is carried on at hard times or on occasions of elation or joy.

It takes approximately fortyeight hours. The non-stop reading implies continuous, uninterrupted reading.

The reading must be clear and correct. Reading too fast, so that the person listening in to it cannot follow

the contents, amounts to irreverence to the Scriptures. The reading should be correct and clear, due care being

bestowed on consonant and vowel even though that takes a little longer to complete.

b. Whichever family or congregation undertakes the non-stop reading should carry it out itself through

its members, relatives, friends, etc., all together. The number of reciters is not prescribed.

If a person, himself, cannot read, he should listen in to the reading by some competent reader.

However, it should never be allowed to happen that the reader carries on the reading all by himself/herself

and no member of the congregation or the family is listening in to the reading. The reader should be served

with food and clothing to the best of the host's means.

going by the wording above , it is more thabn clear we donot follow rehat maryada in the spirit , only ritualistic

method are applied.

Going by the spirit , there is no issue in what you did, but yes when so many people are listening ,this should have

not happened Further keeping in mind the sanctity of the Guru Sahib before sitting for sewa of paath we should be

careful to relieve ourself and have bath to become fresh so that such situation does not happen . All the conditions

prescribed by different sects to be followed before sitting in sewa of Paath are made keeping these things in view and

we should follow it not as a ritualism but seeing the reason behind .

Some people at tyhe forum find my words harsh , and i always put my apologies in advance , but that words are put

only under the light of teachings of our great gurus, so please I request not to take anything personally

i always stand where my Great Guru is

fateh

If we read Sri guru Granth sahib ji carefully we would find the concept of AVTAAR IS NORT ACCEPTABLE

in our faith . wHEREVER QUOTAD, IT IS TO GIVE illusration or example to prove some point .

hi friends,

laws are always legal , dubai & sharjah are parts of united arab emirates (a kind

of coglomeration ofsmall pricipalities of Princely states, each having its own set of laws )

NOW THE MAIN TOPIc we should try our best to protect our brethern whenever in trouble,

BUT DO WE KNOW THEIR CRIME ?in any islamic country trding of liquor (alcohol ) is illegal

further every country has its own criminal procedure wher we can have only limited

interference, I feel the required kind of legal and moral support needed is already being

provide by diferent quarter in India, even Amrider Singh is arranging diplomatic influence

bur for the kind of crime they are charged with i do not feel they may get scot free.

Though I feel they may have been framed , he lesson we should draw is before going to

a foreign land for work we shoul de well informed and well equipped ( having at least

working knowledge of the language and the social customs and do's and do'nts

which our migrant youths generally ignore

this shabad is on ang 477 og guru sahib ji, in Faridkot wala teeka this shabad is explained on page

1526 of PDF FILE , kABEER SAHIB JI normally explains many complex issues with metaphors and

satires , this shabad is fine example , the Feel (elephant ) is our ego, balas (the bull) our laziness

and the crow is our pseudo intellect .the donkey is our Kaami man which gets transformed into

proper person after wearing cholas of shame, and kakareas are our worldly wikaars which are

turned into bareys (pakoras ) of Bhaktee by the grace of god( raja Ram)

suggested full readings from teeka

its simple to be happy , Live simple, remember the God always , be guided

by the sayings in Gurbani.

Whatever is not with me , is not mine ; whatever is mine

will always be with me . Whatever is good for me , the Almighty himself will bless

me with,He knows better what is good for me so i shouldnot worry

these are the keys to happiness , as Iwas told b my parents , & I follow

thanks

only couple os days ago got a book " the Last Lecture" by randy PAUSCH

THE BOOK IS SIMPLY MARVELLOUS, we can down load video of the lecture from

U tube (app78min.) too

i feel it is amust

thanks

please add 700 from bkb23 , bibi surinder kaur ji from local sangat 700 & 1200

from other members from sangat of Ludhiana

*Sri Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru, Dhan Guru Ke Pyaare, added jeo! :happy:*

I think my 2 lines have served the porpose , when I read further discussion , I request all to read some comments & history

written on the same blog and then post comments , it makes the discussion more lively and meaningful

Kachehra will be outdate the day SIKHI IS OUTDATED

not available there , gimme address in pm to get from here in india,

my pleasure to serve the sangat

its better (in case there is no one to teach you )get hold of a good teeka of SGGS

(suggested by prof Sahib Singh and Fareed kot wali teekka) suudy these and

aso comprehend waran Bhai Gurdas ji (teeka also available)can also down load

mahaan kosh by Bhai kahn Singhji (available at SGPC site ) .study of these books

lead us to understand gurbani welland also we can comprehend the grammer ,

the diction and the metre of different chhands used in gurbani , still it would be

better if we perform 3-4 sehaj paaths of Gurbani , before trying the lareewar

beer because it makes our understanding better , a good ustaad can speed up the

process but we have to go through all this with patience .

it is not difficult but patience is the key, plz go ahead Best of luck , after a few days

i am sre you will start to enjoy it.

plz add1200 by the sangat around here

thanks, japjit singh *Waheguru Waheguru Ji, added jeo *

Yeah on historical and literary point it is beautiful,

On the very first page , there are huge poems

eulogising devi , are we forcibly being made

devi worshippers?

plz add 700by bkb23 and 400by other sangat

fateh *Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru, added jeo *

holly wood Guns of navarone , tHE LAST SAMURAI

Bolly wood Guiide, Pather panchali (satyaji ray)

BOOK WHAT ELSE THAN OUR OWN SHABAD GURU

OTHERS Brother KARMAZOV , <banned word filter activated> BY DOSTOYEVSKY

THE STORY OF PHILOSOPHY BY WILL DURANT

i do not know how calling oneself follower of some one is comparing himself to one ,

IF I CALL MY SELF FOLLOWER OF BABA BANDA SINGH JI < DO I COMPARE MYSELF TO

HIM?we should refrain from putting words in any one's mouth.

TODAY THERE ARE 500sects in our faith, with expansion , tomorrow ther may be

5000 sects , 50000 sects , do we have to hate all those who have ideological differences

with us ? is not it better to leave them alone by not giving them any importance and

do the sewa our own way ?

I assume 2day we'r crossing 1lakh mark by the Kirpa of Guru Nanak devji& all ther Satguru ji

and Jugo Jug atal Guru Granth Sahib ji , above all Akaal PURAKH Waheguru ji , for which are

all participants and specially PJS deserve standing ovation , the first hurdle being over, lets

togather speed up our efforts , we can achieve the mark of 1million by Prakash Purab of

Guru Nanak dev ji, just we have to double up our time in Simran

lets all do it togather

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

no post here today ? cmon this is not our rest day, plz hurry and post your

counts

As far I know , during amrit sanchar , six singhs participate in the process

first five singhs ask the sixth if he is pakka in keeping rehat and has not

performed any act that can be termed as kurehat ? the sixth singh affirms and

says yes by the grace of Guru i have been observing the rehat in letter and spirit

then he joins in panj piyaras and another Sing out of them is asked the

same question , same way all six singhs confirm before the panj piyaras that they

have been observing rehat in full - this is called as Sudhaayi (the purifications )

As the process is observed under the Chattar Chaya of Guru Granth Sahib ji

after the sudhai , one singh performs ardaas before Guru Sahib ji that Sangat

is ready with amrit abhilakis (Those seeking Amrit) and Panj Piyare to perform

amrit sanchaar . Satguru ji Kirpa karo , panja singhan wich aap vart key amrit

abhilakhi sangtan nu amrit di daat bakhsho. Thereafter after hukamnama , five

singhs prepare the amrit and the sixth performs the duty of Granthi, sitting besides

the Guru Sahib ji .

Furthe as per REHAT Maryada and the rehat namas by hazoori Singhs (bhai daya singhji ,

Bhai Chupa Singh jiand bhai Nand lal Singh ji) the person who wants to take Amrit should

remain present from the start of the sanskarand someonne joining after the amrit

preparation has started cannot partake amrit in that congegration (he should wait for the next

occassion , thus some one in the thread telling that at some place one group of panj pyare

prepared and another group performing the rest of it , I humbly disagree that is not according

to the maryada , and Sant Jarnail Singh cannot at all initiate such act , I have to disagree

This kind of queries indicate that sangat does not refer to the books and publications

there are a lot of available on the net nowadays , I equest the singhs to please refer

the available literature . For example for this query , had the singh refered to the

Sikh rehat maryada easily available at many sites , had not raised the querry.

Any way , any query is welcome , but please make it a habit to read the authenic

references, or we are bound to feel ashamed when some person from other faith

raises question about the basic tenets of our faith

I must offer apologies if someone feels offended