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every one including the guy u r refering to has right to is own pov.but the matter is are we going for ghetto -isation of our community , what way do we think we can expand our faith? our faith teaches to respect all ideologies yet we do not, our Gurus tell us we shuld discard casteism and gendre discrimination , we do not ; what direction we are taking? omg so many ways of not following the way our gurus taught us , still we are sikhs

first thing first Racial or any kind of discrimination is not allowed in sikhi tenets Hence the commonity should not take any opposite stand on this count nor the parents Next , the boy is yet to take amrit , the girl wants to convert to sikhi for the sake of continuing relationship and the boy does not want to force his views on Girl, both are taking a stand which should be appriciated by all . why not go for the marriage , as your pov about each other is so understanding, study the sikhi togather and then take amrit togather , or take time to learnabout sikhi togather ,go for amrit togather and then get married take your own time to find the right alternate i feel you have the goodwishes of the sangat posting their views here best wishes

TO run into married life one should be emotionally and financially strong , further look for other compatibilities like thinking, family background, language etc if you both feel the same way about so many things , only age shouldnot be the main issue thanks

thanks for comments ,i always try to first give what gurmat & gurbani states about the question then add own pov , so ideas are always Gurbani & rehat maryada , i only try to put before sangat We shoulD really thank our great Guru Sahiban for giving us guidelines about a wonderful Way of Life any way thanks for yr appriciation FATEH

as per sikh rehat maryada anand karaj is performed between amritdhari boy & girl ; meaning you should have married an amritdhari girl, in present case let her take amrit in theorthcoming Amrit sanchar , thereafter go for any kind of physical .further try to make difference between gristi dharm and lust( kaam- which is overindulgence in sexand becoming slave of lust ) . our faith forbids us from overindulgence of all kinds

Sorry friend, in the name of amswering the questions raised in my post , we are revolvin in circles without getting to the root cause , weall follow those teachings of the gurus we find paletable according to to our mind set folliw and ignore those which are not liked by us ,the youths seeing our hypocrisy tend to go their own way , so what i meant to say is , follow the teachings of the Gurus in letter & spirit [ not selectively ]only then will we set example for the next gen , if we are not ready to shed caste system , why blame the great /gurus? are we teaching this to our kids ? thet why blame them for what they feel about us ? Even our Gurus never forced their views on their children then why should we ? why do we want a 20 - 25 y o to behave like zombie in front of parents , why he cannot reason his pov? why the parents should not listen to valid reason ?that is ridiculous , two wrongs do not add to one right , parents and children both have to rethink their attitude, albeit in the light of Gurmat , that would only solve the problem i noted my response to 6 month old thread only 'cause the issue is always relevent , else the involved persons may have found out the solution already please do not agonise if my words look harsh , only think over it fateh /

I have been reading the responses, all going away from the problem, only trying to show holier than thou attitude why not address the problem and surfing around :- 1 Is intercast marriage is allowed in Sikh faith ? yes , why then parents oppose it ? that is the big question . 2 Is bride & groom's consent is compulsory in nupital matters ? yes according to rehat maryada the Granthi before starting the Anand karaj proceedingsasks both Bride & groom to bow their head befor SGGS if they agree to the relation only then he proceeds further - then why parents become adamant on their choice only even when the person going into marriage does not agrees to ? 3 If parents are not following the tenets of Sikhi , should the offsprings not ask them to be on the right path ? 4 Is premarital sex allowed in our faith ? No it is not , sex outside wedlock is one of the five taboos in our faith , then as dscribed in many posts why many amritdhari youngs indulge in it, knowing that it is not supposed to be exercised ? We need to find answers to these questions , please introspect , parents & the yuth both have to think on it , where everyone is going wrong . and amend ourselves in the light of Gurbani

reding & reciting gurbaani is not just a ritual, it aims at reading , understanding the meaning and following the teaching in real life . Our great gurus have stated their teachings in common mans language so that any one and every one has access to their teachings , so please carry on, try to understand & imbibe the teachings in case of doubt at any point consult someone well versed and with practical experience in living according to the tenets as laid by the Great Gurus best of luck

seems to be signed by some addanshahi ( followers of bhai kanhaiya ji school of thaught , also called sewapanthis)will get back with full translation

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as essence of our faith lies in accepting the body as a gift of Waheguru , we should try to preserve as it is, further for making tatoos , body hair are to be removed which iself is kurehat , hence we should desist from it THE TOPIC IS NEVER IRRELEVENT TATS THE REASON I M POSTING MY VIEWS FATEH

suggested read sikh reha maryada published by SGPC from where my post has been quoted

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I am Quoting chapter XI article XVIII of Sikh rehat maryada wherein instructions regarding anand sanskar is laid down Anand Sanskar (Lit. Joyful Ceremonial : Sikh Matrimonial Ceremony and Conventions) Article XVIII a. A Sikh man and woman should enter wedlock without giving thought to the prospective spouse's caste and descent. b. A Sikh's daughter must be married to a Sikh. c. A Sikh's marriage should be solemnized by Anand marriage rites. d. Child marriage is taboo for Sikhs. e. When a girl becomes marriageable, physically, emotionally and by virtue of maturity of character, a suitable Sikh match should be found and she be married to him by Anand marriage rites. f. Marriage may not be preceded by engagement ceremony. But if an engagement ceremony is sought to he held, a congregational gathering should be held and, after offering the Ardas before the Guru Granth Sahib, a kirpan, a steel bangle and some sweets may be tendered to the boy. g. Consulting horoscopes for determining which day or date is auspicious or otherwise for fixing the day of the marriage is a sacrilege. Any day that the parties find suitable by mutual consultation should be fixed. h. Putting on floral or gilded face ornamentation, decorative headgear or red thread band round the wrist, worshipping of ancestors, dipping feet in milk mixed with water, cutting a berry or jandi (Prosopis spieigera) bushes, filling pitcher, ceremony of retirement in feigned displeasure, reciting couplets, performing havans (Sacrificial fire), installing vedi (a wooden canopy or pavilion under which Hindu marriages are performed), prostitutes' dances, drinking liquor, are all sacrileges. i. The marriage party should have as small a number of people as the girl's people desire. The two sides should greet each other singing sacred hymns and finally by the Sikh greetings of Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh. j. For marriage, there should be a congregational gathering in the holy presence of Guru Granth Sahib. There should be hymn-singing by ragis or by the whole congregation. Then the girl and the boy should he made to sit facing the Guru Granth Sahib. The girl should sit on the left side of the boy. After soliciting the congregation's permission, the master of the marriage ceremony (who may be a man or a woman) should bid the boy and girl and their parents or guardians to stand and should offer the Ardas for the commencement of the Anand marriage ceremony. The officiant should then apprise the boy and the girl of the duties and obligations of conjugal life according to the Guru's tenets. He should initially give to the two an exposition of their common mutual obligations. He should tell them how to model the husband-wife relationship on the love between the individual soul and the Supreme Soul in the light of the contents of circumambulation (Lavan) hymns in the Suhi measure (rag) section (The bulk of the Guru Granth (the Sikh holy book ) is divided on the basis of the ragas (measures) of the Indian classical music. Suhi is one of the ragas featuring in the Guru Granth Sahib) of the Guru Granth Sahib. He should explain to them the notion of the state of "a single soul in two bodies" to be achieved through love and make them see how they may attain union with the Immortal Being discharging duties and obligations of the householders' life. Both of them, they should be told, have to make their conjugal union a means to the fulfillment of the purpose of the journey of human existence; both have to lead clean and Guru-oriented lives through the instrumentality of their union. He should then explain to the boy and girl individually their respective conjugal duties as husband and wife. The bridegroom should be told that the girl's people having chosen him as the fittest match from among a whole lot, he should regard his wife as his better half, accord to unflinching love and share with her all that he has. In all situations, he should protect her person and honour, he should be completely loyal to her and he should show much respect and consideration for her parents and relations as for his own. The girl should be told that she has been joined in matrimony to her man in the hallowed presence of the Guru Granth Sahib and the congregation. She should ever harbour for him deferential solicitude, regard him the lord master of her love and trust; she should remain firm in her loyalty to him and serve him in joy and sorrow and in every clime (native or foreign) and should show the same regard and consideration to his parents and relatives as she would, to her own parents and relatives. The boy and girl should bow before the Guru Granth Sahib to betoken their acceptance of these instructions. Thereafter, the girl's father or the principal relation should make the girl grasp one end of the sash which the boy is wearing over his shoulders and the person in attendance of the Guru Granth Sahib should recite the matrimonial circumambulation stanzas {Lavan of the fourth Guru in the Suhi musical measure section of the Guru Granth Sahib } (Pp. 773-4). After the conclusion of the recitation of each of the stanzas, the boy, followed by the girl holding the end of the sash, should go round the Guru Granth Sahib while the ragis or the congregation sing out the recited stanza. The boy and girl, after every circumambulation, should bow before the Guru Granth Sahib in genuflexion, lowering their forehead to touch the ground and then stand up to listen to the recitation of the next stanza.There being four matrimonial circumambulation stanzas in the concerned hymn, the proceeding will comprise four circumambulations with the incidental singing of the stanza.After the fourth circumabulation, the boy and girl should, after bowing before the Guru Granth Sahib, sit down at the appointed place and the Ragis or the person who has conducted the ceremony should recite the first five and the last stanza of the Anand Sahib. Thereafter, the Ardas should he offered to mark the conclusion of the Anand marriage ceremony and the sacred pudding, distributed'. k. Persons professing faiths other than the Sikh faith cannot be joined in wedlock by the Anand Karaj ceremony. l. No Sikh should accept a match for his/her son or daughter for monetary consideration. m. If the girl's parents at any time or on any occasion visit their daughter's home and a meal is ready there, they should not hesitate to eat there. Abstaining from eating at the girl's home is a superstition. The Khalsa has been blessed with the boon of victuals and making others eat by the Guru and the Immortal Being. The girl's and boy's people should keep accepting each other's hospitality, because the Guru has joined them in relationship of equality (Prem Sumarag). n. If a woman's husband has died, she may, if she so wishes, finding a match suitable for her, remarry. For a Sikh man whose wife has died, similar ordinance obtains. o. The remarriage may be solemnized in the same manner as the Anand marriage. p. Generally, no Sikh should marry a second wife if the first wife is alive. q. A baptised ought to get his wife also baptised. The relevent section has been highlighted for readers' benefit to see and conclude them selves , without any comments from Das the relevent portion itself explains every thing FATEH

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dont me thinks it deserves any notice , just ignor it

this is aprocess in vogue in printing till sixties of last centuary, on a piece of special soft kind of stone the letters were etched thru some chemical process and print reproduced on paper , during my childhood i have seen such thing in Urdu printing

which symbol Ur talking 'bout , I donot see any on Yr post

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LINES FROM THE AMRIT KIRTAN POTHI ARE CORRECT, may download Waran Bhai Gurdas ji from SGPC site, from which the pauri is taken. FATEH

This is the poster of a hindu sect called BRAHMAKUMARIS, HQ at Mount Abu Rajasthan India The sect was established by some sindhi guy at Karachi , shiftedduring partition to present place , their all missionaries are womenin the centre is photo snap of Lekhraj Kriplani the sect founder, the sect is mired in many cotroversies worldwide as they preach celibacyand abstainance , believe that the end is very near & then only theywill remain to rule the world . more info can be had from the sect' websiteunder the same name or alternately www.brahmakumari.info (this is the anti's link)

During the guru ji's time they were the flagbearers of sikh Army , so to keep their hands free for war , some started tying dumala style high turban as a tokrn of flag , some sakhis tell that youngest of 4 sahibzadas , durin their mutual play tied such dastaar and shown to the Guru Sahib, his father telling that he has become now the tallest , the Guru became so overjoyed by the spirit of sahibzada that he ordained the main flagbearers to follow the style , which in battlefields would sow fear among the enemy lines

without being arrogant my questions -please give a thought 1 was bhai Mardana ji alive during life of The 5th Master? 2 We preserve the relics of the Greats to get some inspiration i to do good deeds , what inspiration could we get from the Janam patri ?(this question posed to Kam 1825)

do not you think we are all childen of the guru sahiban ( if we follow the paTh shown by them)? Guru Sahiban , even in their life gave more importance to those who followed their teachings than their own children , I think action of the Guru Sahiban in this regard speak enough and leave nothing to be added FATEH

Do we believe in Astrology ? is not such type of question leading us to Brahminism and related ritualisms ?