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uh oh.......I think I sense whats coming......... PLEASE for once, can we not have an argument erupt?

What was the question or point again?

Ok, I'll stop now. Just wanted to make you think! (sorry if I made your brain hurt!)

Why don't use ask the 'normal geeza' or whatever why he doesn't carry 5 shasters then? Does he not want to get darshan of Guru Ji??

Thanks for the clarification- I couldn't agree more. (usually) blunt dummala shastars are useless, especially without knowledge of how to make them effective! But to see someone carrying 5 real shastars, especially when it can safely be assumed they know how to use them is truly an awe-inspiring sight, even more so beacuse this is something very hard to maintain today for most of us.

Maybe you shouldn't rely on the information of 'normal gezza(s)' whatever they are!

I think the level of avastha at which veer ji would consider himself a Sikh is that at which he has become one with God, and thus would not exist. It is only our ego which which is the facet of our own existence- and hence without it we realise there is only one that we are all part of. Anyway, thats what I made of it when I read it.....might be wrong, usually am!

NOOO, they wear thier full kakkar, and they wear another 5 sashtur's cus father ses that 'if you want to see me i have to have panj sashtur at all times' soo DUNT DISS NIHANGS, father was one aswell 95455[/snapback] so the... lets recap- all Amritdharis who do not wear 5 shastars will not get Darshan of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji???? So I guess they're all wasting their time following what they think is the Rehat he set then, eh? What a bunch of idiots then, eh Kumi?

"Baba Deep Singh, Who was ordered to Take care of Taksal was from Tarna Dal (part of Buddah Dal) " http://www.budhadal.com/hisofbudhadal2.htm Budha Dals own official site (Baba Santa Singh Ji's faction) says this about the creation of Budha Dal, which would suggest both it and Tarna Dal were not in existence at the time of Baba Deep Singh Ji: The Establishment of Budha Dal Dal Khalsa became too powerful and was very difficult to control centrally by Nawab Kapoor Singh particularly, after the death of Darbara Singh in 1734. He divided Singhs into 2 major groups (Jathas); Budha Dal and the other one Tarvna Dal. The Jatha of Budhadal had all the members of the age group above 40 years where as all the members of Tarna Dal had to be below 40 years of age. These too bands had their own drum (Nagara) and banner (Nishan). Nawab Kapoor Singh remained in command of these two dals which were jointly known as Dal Khalsa. This would suggest that Dal Khalsa was the order of Nihangs which originally existed, and then this was split by Nawab Kapoor Singh Ji to make the Budha and Tarna Dals.

"Ma Guru even praised his enimes in bani " I think the quote shows Kumi recognised that!

I think its up to the admins to end the topic!

is that a Brutish argument, or a British argument??? Both mean the same thing you know!

A lot of maryadas are oral tradition. That is correct, and as we know oral traditions have the tendency to be flawed. Now, what is the main method by which the Budha Dal and Nihangs in general pass their history/beliefs etc?? Oral Tradition is a big part of what they do! This is not intended at all to be critical of any particular Rehat- the point I am trying to make is be critical of all Rehats- if they don't live up to the teachings of the Guru, it is likely they are not derived from the Guru.

Are we saying older the better? Just curious.

She has tried to find the site she got the pictures from again, but with no luck, hence there is no way to contact the people. So.... lets sum up- no way to contact the people, no-one knows who they are= no-one can do anything anyway. I think we should stop worrying about what to do to them, and continue this as the slightly wider discussuin of wht to do/say if someone was doing this infront of you, as the topic intended (from what I see anyway) That is what will actually be constructive here, so that people don't get beat up and mugged of their khanda jewellery/ramals etc. I think Gurpreet Singhs post has been the most useful thus far, as it is sugegsted we should look at the root of the problem when trying to deal with these issues.

Thanks for the clarification- I think our views are not too different in spite of our little debate back there. Sure, the remaining Hindu population, and other population of India/Hindustan should be helped too, as their poverty is an issue that no Sikh can be comfortable with. When I make refrences to Hindustan Murdabad, I never mean it as a refrence to the Hindu nation as such, but rather the current state of Hindustan, as it now is, clinging onto other nations with horrendous force. That is the Hindustan I wish a death to- the Hindustan that abuses its own civillians, and taht which sees the 'lower' castes as unworthy of any attention. If they would just concentrate a little more on povery and less on munitions, a lot could be done. Sure, there is a need for a balance, with the threats from outside, but surely, the current position does not illustrate such a balance. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!

Seems like a rational response to me!

Go find a Budha Dal Gutka.

You talk about sarbat da bhalla. What about the muslims of Kashmir, the Christians of Nagaland, Tamil Nadu's- what you are saying is we should get Khalistan, and everyone else will have to lump it with India. Nah, freedom for all sounds more appealing to me, freedom for all from the Brahim autocracy, hence Hindustan Murdabad ( That is the state, not Hindus as people, as I have explained in my previous post). The 'state' of Hindustan as it currently is is just a mish-mash of Nationalities who don't want to be banded togeter, and as such is unsustainable.

Is there gonna be bazookas in this fight????

Haw, potato peela is letthhaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllll How many time i bleedddd bludddyyyyyy helllllllllll.!!!!!!!!!! btw was happening on sunday??? 95002[/snapback] Sundays normally the day for ghetto swap meets isn't it?

Maybe its sukha

AGAIN.. like veerji said.. the word 'ik onkar' is in gurbani ... hence it is bani !!! Would you have bani your hand and go to the bathroom and do all that stuff with your hand !? Im sure you need both hands ... Nice point veerji i overlooked that 94808[/snapback] LoL same ere so can u go toilet wiv a kanda on 94815[/snapback] How is that relevant- are you going to be wiping your bottom with the khanda?????

here is a caption from the photographer explaining the photo (just thought I'd bring it back onto topic!) "It was in Guru Ka Baag, the old historic chhauni of Budhha Dal. Baba Balbir Singh Akali Ji was sitting in the 'Varaanda'. I asked him to came out among the 'Sangat'. Baba Akali said to me, 'Chalo Ji' and came out there. This Nihang Singh took this weapon and stood before Baba Balbir Singh Akali. He fired to salute Baba Balbir Singh Akali. Right before him, Baba Balbir Singh Akali Ji was standing. I thought this Nihang Singh was just doing drama, because few moments ago he was joking to me. When I took my camera to take his photographs, I realised that he is serious. Then he said 'Akaal' and fired to salute Baba Balbir Singh Akali. 'Zordaar Dhamaaka' "