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As Guru Ji promised "whoever fights for the sikh religion (deen), he will be given liberation of his soul (mukhti)" so what more you need this shere is fighting purely for Sikh deen and kaum and is wishing for shahadat in the way the glorious hero's of the panth before him have. Yes we make our efforts to save him we do a mass new media campaign and protests but if his sentence goes ahead then the consequences for the Indian government will be dire and a high price will be paid not only in negative publicity for its so called modern secular democracy but also it will again re-awaken the sleeping Sikh military minded lions who will question what kind of slave system they living under.

Important to remember throughout Sikh history our Guru Sahibs have shown us the way how to survive events that may challenge the kaum. Guru Hargobind Sahib’s first sermon must be heard again today and applies just as much now as it did when he first gave it. Guru Arjan Dev had been brutally tortured and embraced martyrdom, becoming an example for the Panth. The Sikhs were grief-struck and felt a sense of despair. The small Panth of Guru Nanak had been targeted by the mighty power of the Mughals. Guru Hargobind Sahib, became the next Guru as per the orders of his father. In front of all the gathered Sikhs, Baba Buddha jee put the two swords of meeri and peeri on Guru Hargobind Sahib. Guru Sahib was dressed like and emperor and there was a kalgi (aigrette) on his dastaar. The Dhadis, Bhai Abdullah and Bhai Nath Mal, at the hukam of Guru Hargobind Sahib sang a vaar filled with bir ras. Then, Guru Hargobind Sahib rose and gave his first sermon to the Sikhs: “Today the offerings that are beloved to me are good weapons and good youth. If you want my happiness, then exercise your bodies, wrestle, play gatka, go into the jungles to hunt and learn to ride horses. Weakness is now a crime to the Nation that cannot be forgiven for anyone. You will take up the sword and I now wear the sword so that the swords of tyranny and oppression will stop forever. You have all come from far and wide today. The cool tranquillity has been stolen from not just your heart and my heart, but from the entire world. Our swords will not rest until we bring this oppression to an end. Make day and night one. Go into the villages and light the inferno of revolution. Tell the people that we need their youth. Only that is a good youth that sacrifices itself for the cause of the Nation. We need sacred hearts and pure minds. Enshrine Waheguru in your hearts. We fear death because we have not experienced true life. We feel worry because we have not enjoyed a taste of life. We feel fear because our destination and goal seems so far off. But if you challenge death, death will flee from you. If you learn to walk with your heads held high then worry will depart. If you are determined to walk, the destination will not be so far away. Have faith in Vahiguru and all fears will vanish. If fear has left you then even death will seem like bliss.” Guru jee continued, “Do not think that you are too few. You are all like springs. Oceans flow out of these very springs. There are hundreds of thousands of springs like you in our Nation. When you come together and flow forward, you will create a flood. A small and insignificant piece of wood, when made into a match, can light the entire jungle on fire. But you are humans! And furthermore, those humans whose heart has just now been scorched on hot iron plates [reference to shahidi of Guru Arjan Dev jee]. Addressing the poets in the Sangat, Guru Sahib said, “See, God has given you the gift of poetry. When nations are built, you are the foundations. Stop all these other untimely songs and work to bring the Nation out of this deep dark pit. Tell those stories which will make the people willing to lose their skin like they would be willing to change their clothes. Fill the people of our Nation with the spirit and fervour to be like moths so they will sacrifice themselves in the flames of our cause. Our blood has become cold. Tell us stories of Shahidi and become the furnaces that will boil our blood. Give us the passion to make the trampled Punjab and our crushed Nation rise to its feet once again.” Speaking to the Dhadis, Guru Sahib said, “Now is the time that your instruments should call out a challenge. Your notes should stir the Nation. The beat of your dhads should awaken the people and the bells on your bows should make hearts fill with the zeal of sacrifice.” We must hear Guru Sahib’s message again today and rise to the challenge.

Thats all and well but Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mahajrah also stated without political power our deen can not survive and work when under attack. Guru Hargobind Ji also stated we need political power and physically fight those who persecute us. Now do we listen to babas, sants and politicians or do we listen to our religious spiritual superiors (our guru's) who we bow our heads down to and owe everything to? Those great guru sahib's who fought and sacrificed against the politicians and rulers of their time and created so much glory and security for the kaum

This is why Dal Khalsa is following a very bad model they seem like they are in pockets of mullah-wad pakistan who use that kind of model of ethnic / religious cleansing. When the opposite is true, in Sikh history it has always been in the interests of Sikhs to convert Muslims, Hindus to Sikh's not to create hate for them. The dal Khalsa are trying to make enemies of Hindus and that is not Sikhism. Sikhism is about getting people together and working together and creating a just society.

A short term viable solution for Indian unionists and Khalistan supporters would be the Vatican city style Khalistan state within the territorial integrity of the Indian Union. The long term solution will be to convert inhabitants of south Asia to Sikhi but this is a slow and long process taking decades then there will be no need for bloodshed through military or secessionist means to achieve a Khalistan as most of the region would be full of Sikhs and will rule accordingly. Getting support from China would also add weight to the Khalistan cause. They are a neutral power who are not pushing their communist ideology on Sikhs nor trying to taking over the land. If Sikhs are able to get military aid and support from China then Khalistan can become truly independent but it will take alot of shaheediya for a concept we have not worked through yet.

Here are a few ways to achieve a credible Khalistan. 1) Do mass missionary parchar programs to encourage hindus and muslims to convert to sikhism. After all Guru Nanak Dev Ji went nation to nation preaching the Sikh path. Many people who of other faiths began following him and boom you had the first sikhs of many different races, ethnicities and nationalities. Get enough number of Sikhs and you can push for political power, enemies of Sikhs or ignorant sikhs dont want you to convert non-sikhs to sikhi they want to keep the status quo and keep it into a punjabi centric/caste centric little cult of theirs which it is not. 2) Apply Amritsar and surrounding villages to be made Vatican city style status as a Khalistan state but within the Indian Union. Just like Vatican City is within Italy but has its own independent voice for the 2 billion catholics in the world. This small Khalsa Kingdom will serve as a fortress for the faith. 3) Once we have enough population of Sikhs within India and pakistan we launch a campaign to liberate the Punjab homeland. Basically follow the muslim model but we dont start attacking non-sikhs but rather work on the model of Khalsa raj that we had back in the days of the Sikh empire and non-Sikh rights and lives were protected.

Excuse my ignorance but can we have a background to who giani sant singh maskeen was and what his role and contribution has been in Sikhi? I've not heard of him before but he talks sense.

The old argument we cant even manage gurdwara commitee's how we gonna manage a khalistan is just an excuse not to fight for self determination, its a defeatist attitude. I believe we should have some kind of platform where we can have our say as a global sikh kaum on how our future khalistan would look like and who would lead it etc. At the moment we do not have a credible leadership, these leaders are either sucking up to islamo-facist ISI mullah-vad pakistan or they are sucking up to the Indian unionist state terror loving nationalist leaders and parties. We need to have every camp of Sikhism come together and argue our cases out what route we should take. Because the present circumistances suit us no longer there is too many problems going on in the Sikh homeland of Punjab and we cant ignore them if we are true believers and defenders of this precious beautiful faith.

are you muslim or sikh? btw that site already been discussed its just another stupid clownish attempt by an islamo-fascist to think Sikhi can be underminded. Here is a counter site you can promote on other forums if you wish http://sikhismislam.wordpress.com

Dal khalsa has some real pend village type mentality characters in its organisation if they are going to be the leading political Sikh organisation in the UK and aboard they really need some educated and intelligent people working for them and being spokesmen or they can shout as loud as they want no one is going to care. Having said that I do admire their raising awareness of issues and particular videos by Dhaliwal he is a real asset to the organisation.

I like your passion KARKOOSINGH23, but your views are distorted people like sant longowal have been long vilified but now I feel unjustly. If you look at the backdrop of the events in 1980s he could have been taken out quite easily before operation blue star for having his views he was the moderate and he wasnt giving active support for Sikhs to take up arms however sant bhindranwale was. Just because Sant longwal didnt die in the operation didnt make him a coward and traitor. It made him consistant with his stance he was no military advisor or armed warrior of the panth however he did do his best for the interests of the kaum. He didnt need to enter into politics and put his life on the line against the various Indian paramilitaries, police and army who were killing peaceful protesters with impunity. He did what his moderate mandate was. People who are more extreme right wing and actively want a fight and have less intelligence obviously going to vilify his character and make things up to distort the balanced view of him. I remember when Jagjit Chauhan was still alive he would constently write things against various sikh leaders past and present. Yet these people have an agenda they want to paint people either totally evil and traitors or saints. Truth is everyone is human and have bad and good traits about them, what is unforgivable is for active support for harming Sikhs and the faith. And this is where the likes of Badal fall into that category he has been elected by Sikhs to look after the interests of the Sikhs, Punjab and Punjabi's yet he has thus far failed in that duty and turned a blind eye to incidents that have outraged the community on many occasions.

Like I said brothers his shaheedi will give new strength and raise awareness to new generation of Sikhs for breaking the Indian Union a great propaganda victory....however if he is spared we keep his precious life safe but the Sikh nation will perhaps go into a coma again forgetting about nationhood and our recent history so either way its a win win situation. What shaheeds have done is always fight in the interests of the Sikh kaum whereas those leaders who are subservient to pakistan, indian or other governments will bend over backwards to please their political masters like dogs. The Sikh lions like bhai sahib is very happy to kiss the noose of death as a GurSikh he is showing us Sikhs again we have not lost our pride. We have people who will punish those who do injustice against our kaum, like a Sikh Spartan he and others took out a villian chief minister of punjab (bent singh) responisble for sanctioning wholesale murder of thousands of Sikh youths. More Sikh Spartans will be born ready to break Hindustan having witnessed a sacrifice of bhai sahib for the Sikh faith and nation.

lol I believe samson was a more powerful example than Torres but yes. The longer hair you have the more natural flare and magical abilities you seem to have as a person. Even Batistuta the legendary Argentine footballer he had amazing pace and shooting ability.

Yes the Khalsa seem to be the only ones now carrying on this tradition, and even in the bible samson said his supernatural strength was in his uncut hair. "If my hair is cut, my strength will go".

Bro how old are you? can you type in less cryptic text? It 's hard to figure out what you wrote there

I believe Longowal was a calm person, a man of reason and a man of compassion. During the aftermath of the 1984 genocide in New Delhi he went to visit the families and offered them relief. No other Sikh leader did to my knowledge. He tried his best to limit the damage done to the kaum by the Congressi terrorist government and their supporters. To the military minded Sikhs he seemed like a sell out for not waging war on the Indian state, they were misguided in their anger, hurt and other grievances and due to this Sant Longowal paid for it with his life. We should always remember the good a Sikh has done for his community along with any bad so that we get a balanced view of the person and their legacy. Take Badal for example as much as we may dislike him he is putting some things down as his legacy such as creating monuments and museums to educate people about Sikh history. There is good and bad in all our leaders but when you balance it all up some come out looking bad and rightly so vilified especially if they undertook active support for killing and harming the Sikh community.

Also I would like to point out the lack of disloyality the muslims of Malerkotla showed to the Sikhs in the 80s / 90s by joining the Indian punjab police and other paramilitary terrorist forces to kill separatists and harm their families. I believe the mass murderer of Sikh youths the dog Mohammad Izhar Alam also comes from Malerkotla. Why sant samaj sat in support of the beast alam shows they cant be trusted. Sikhs are too kind for their own good then get stab in the back years later by people they helped. When will the kaum learn to look our for its own first and look after the long term geo-political interests of the Sikhs so that they flourish in countries they face being wiped out (afghanistan, pakistan) as first priority. This is why Pakistan cant be trusted their sunni/wahaabi mullahs want to wipe all non-muslims and minority muslim sects out. Sikhs should start openly make contact with China as they do not have any interest in harming our faith rather more it would suit their interests to have Sikhs on their side against the Indian Union and dangers from islamo-fascist mullahs from pakistan.

Just listened to the program and I dont really have any issues with it. I think nihal handled it quite well.... To those who have listened to the program what are your views?

And as for nihals current program on forced conversion my 2 pence on the matter is that it goes on but less so in the west move so in Pakistan and other muslim occupied lands. There are daily incidents in Pakistani's sindh province and very often in North west frontier province.

You show your foolishness by not reading my posts when I stated nihaal has form here regarding Sikhs. If this was a one off incident no one would care much. But it seems a common theme when he talks about Sikhs in his programs he tends to put his foot in it and doesn't reflect the views of Sikhs but rather gives his own assumptions on the matter in hand. And I have no desire to run a Gurdwara management committee dont know what planet your on

West London Singh, where do you get your figures from that muslims in punjab lost the most number of lives compared to hindus and sikhs and others? Can you provide me source of your information? I've just seen a table of population migrations and transfers from 1947 and it seems the non-muslim population was wiped out west partitioned punjab in pakistan wheras in indian punjab there was still some communities of muslims left alone. Of the private religious armies there were 50,000 members of RSS hindu militants, 40,000 muslim militant national guard and 8,000 Akali Fauj Sena Sikh Militants. So you can imagine yourself who did the majority of the killings and how many numbers they had to do it. That's why I say it was a miracle that Sikhs survived the genocide against all the odds stacked against them, time after time Sikhs prove to be resilient in surviving as Palestinians term it... the "nakba"

Partition was pretty dreadful and disgusting event that should sicken every sane human being the British establishment have done alot of evil things but this was one of their worst acts dividing communities like this which utimately hurt our community the most. Important thing is how we learn from the mistakes of the past and not to instill that hatered that future generations might suffer due to actions of the past. But if islamo-fascists want to go down that road then Sikhs will have no choice but to radicalise our youth to equally teach them to fight the aggressors cyber, media, spiritual, physical, etc until victory is achieved. Sikhs always react after attacks on us we do not go out seeking fights we wish goodness for all of humanity and thats the way it should be.

Best method to stop execution is to protest in New Delhi at the seat of power and get MP's to stay this execution put so much pressure that it will become impossible to carry out the sentence as it will cause civil unrest and lead to Sikh militancy revived. If the Indian Unionist Congress terrorist government and its institutions couldnt and cant give justice for the genocide against Sikhs in 1984 then how dare they even think about carrying such sentances out? and how dare they even commute the butcher of Sikhs in (kishore lal) to life imprisonment and then early release? Whats going on here eh? Indian democracy? Indian justice? lol wow Make no mistake this would be a great propaganda victory and recruiting sergeant for Sikhs to take up arms against the Indian Union again. So either way its a win win situation for the kaum as the lions of the Sikh nation awaken again from the sleep.

Nihaal is on twitter by the way if anyone wants to challenge him on his ignorance your welcome to but do it in a calm and informative manor. Also press him on doing a debate/discussion on Sri Lanka's Buddhist army and governments role in the recent genocide of Tamil Hindus. I'm sure he would love that...not.

Like the Sikh shaheeds before him they do not fear death they kiss the noose of the death rope and chose death over life for the interests of the Sikh kaum. I do not agree with Hawara and company for their methods but their fighting spirit for Sikhi and nationhood can not be in any doubt. May Waheguru give their souls and their families comfort