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One of our family friends went to someones house for keertan in spartanburg, south carolina. they had someone from canada come his name is gurcharan "singh" from singh sabha... associated with missionary college. They told us that he was talking about dehtari babeh like bhneare wala... and saudewala...was saying bad about them which is okay because they are papi but then he also insulted bhai randhir singh ji..sant ji...taksal/akj.. made fun of the way keertan is done in akj. this made her furious..she sat there said nothing but she called my mom and told her how that was soo disturbing to sit there and listen to so much beadbi... insult of sants/ mahapurakhs...

they guy said how bhai randhir singh ji did simran in jail cos he had nothing better to do.. and other things i wouldnt even type here.. its sad to see these so called singhs divide the panth.. the aunty who was there said no one stood up against that guy.. the gyani ji from southcarolina also supported that gurcharan "singh"

how long are we going to keep ignoring these people trying to divide our panth. we see akj talk badly of taksalis and taksalis talk badly of akj... we alll need to unite against these papi.. if we dont start uniting against them... and fight amongst ourselves then we will be making it easy for these paapis..

i am a paapi myself i dont belong to any jathebandi.. but it hurts me tooo see our panth divide like this...we need to unite against these missionary colleges.. and people that talk badly of dasam bani

vaheguroojeekakhalsavaheguroojeeekeefateh

We should know enough of our own religion and have the confidence to go anywhere without fear instead of avoiding places. This is simply my opinion which may be wrong but I'm yet to be convinced otherwise.

Guru ji gave shaheedi for righteousness... in other words dharam..... it was the right thing to do to protect whats sacred to someone... doesnt mean we have to believe in those things.. guru ji gave his life to prove a point i am not saying you are saying that its okay to but people tend to justify hindu things many times my saying guru ji gave shaheedi for them..?? that really annoys me.. thats why some sikhs question why balpreet singh veerji and other sikhs stood up for pardah/hijab/nikaab...... its simply because there should be FULL freedom of religion..

You're right to be skeptical, but a Gursikh who was there told me that the Moorti Pooja happens every year as part of the Nagar Keertan. The committee do nothing to discourage it, and some committee members actually take part in it.

Remember, the Gurmat credentials of this committee aren't great. They also have a Meat/Sharaab party hall. I hope that the Satkaar Campaign will approach them soon about this issue.

this is just horrible i dont think such things happen here in usa... where we live we do have beadbis but different kind of beadbis i guess.. because we dont have a lot of sangat beadbis go on like they were doing nishaan sahib seva.. and realized the made the khanda upside down by mistake instead of delaying the seva and keeping the old one on.. they put the upside khanda up anway :\ that was messed up... when they make deg...they make it joothi because they taste outta the same panda if it tastes okay...... this committee member eats straight outta the langar.. they sit on chairs sometimes...... quite disturbing things go on here too but i am sure in places like sanjose gurudwara most things are as per marayada.. i have been to amazing gurudwaras that do eveything according to gurmat.........

why is gurudwara beadbi sucha big issue in the uk, theres so much sangat thats the place where you would expect it the least???

southall youth jee,

i mean this with the greatest of respect...

How can you be so picky and choosey with maryada and beadbi? Isnt allowing moneh, sharabi bhangra singers onto a gurdwara stage to sing their kachi bani songs not beadbi of Guroo Sahib?

there is nothing wrong with singing sikhi sings thats not beadbi.. doing pooja in guru jis hazoori is beadbi.. allowing moneh and bhangra singers are okay.. .. i dont think bhangra singers get drunk before they come.. singing sikhi songs is okay i repeat.. why do we make a big deal outta non issues and ignore things bigger issues..

this is just horrible we cant wait for karma to pay them back.. time to do something..??

This Shabad is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 484

Awsw ]

aasaa ||

Aasaa:

krvqu Blw n krvt qyrI ]

karavath bhalaa n karavatt thaeree ||

I would rather be cut apart by a saw, than have You turn Your back on me.

lwgu gly sunu ibnqI myrI ]1]

laag galae sun binathee maeree ||1||

Hug me close, and listen to my prayer. ||1||

hau vwrI muKu Pyir ipAwry ]

ho vaaree mukh faer piaarae ||

I am a sacrifice to You - please, turn Your face to me, O Beloved Lord.

krvtu dy mo kau kwhy kau mwry ]1] rhwau ]

karavatt dhae mo ko kaahae ko maarae ||1|| rehaao ||

Why have You turned Your back to me? Why have You killed me? ||1||Pause||

jau qnu cIrih AMgu n morau ]

jo than cheerehi a(n)g n moro ||

Even if You cut my body apart, I shall not pull my limbs away from You.

ipMfu prY qau pRIiq n qorau ]2]

pi(n)dd parai tho preeth n thoro ||2||

Even if my body falls, I shall not break my bonds of love with You. ||2||

hm qum bIcu BieE nhI koeI ]

ham thum beech bhaeiou nehee koee ||

Between You and I, there is no other.

qumih su kMq nwir hm soeI ]3]

thumehi s ka(n)th naar ham soee ||3||

You are the Husband Lord, and I am the soul-bride. ||3||

khqu kbIru sunhu ry loeI ]

kehath kabeer sunahu rae loee ||

Says Kabeer, listen, O people:

Ab qumrI prqIiq n hoeI ]4]2]35]

ab thumaree paratheeth n hoee ||4||2||35||

now, I place no reliance in you. ||4||2||35||

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/sikh-group-objects-to-harbhajans-depiction-as-guru/628830.html

this is just insane and upsetting if its true why would anyone do something like this..!!!

i was watching a video of anjem chaudhary before i read that stupid article and honestly anjem chaudharys insane, radical, crazy views... prolly make more sense that views that articles expresses LOL this is upsetting.. but its more upsetting to so many negative comments... if thats mainstream canadian-sikh views.. then man........THEY ARE MESSED UP!! my cousins cousin is a canadian sikh he was so cool....till he got mad at me for talking about 1984 genocide.. ?? and more i get to know about him.. more it upsets me to know that there could be people with such messed up ideology!

reported only 2 i couldnt report.. its scary to see these so hateful pages.. what do they get outta that? i am glad i am not too involved with youtube stuff because that stuff would just make my blood boil..

All the Singhnia I've ever met in my life have wonderfully thin eyebrows and not one errant hair above their lips or on the chin. So either they're all exceptionally blessed so as not to be prone to the human condition, or something dodgy is going on.

I wouldn't like to say as I reckon Waheguru provides for you if a person really believes.

some singhnis have more/less hair than others.. we cant assume that they do their eyebrows.. i used to have naturally thin eyebrows until i started doing them (when i wasnt into sikhi) luckily i didnt get too much hair on the face although i do have thick eyerbrows and facial hair its not too bad.. :\

most singhnis have less facial hair is because they never got rid of their hair... and they dont get a lot og think hair like those that used to do it...

i so badly wish i never shaved but w/e have to deal with this now..

so its wrong to assume that singhnis do their eyebrows without knowing for sure..and its also wrong to assume that some with more than usual hair ever got rid of hair because some people are naturally hairy.

my arms/legs are thick.. because i used to shave.. so yh it sucks!! dont touch ur hair because they will grow back more thick..!! :| although kes is a gift from guru jee its so hard for especially women to not shave and live in a society that believes in shaving.. some people understand...some people dont and make it hard for us but we must remember that we cant worry too much about public opinion.. although i do but its not the right way...

someone here was comparing having cold to women with facial hair.. :\ and men growing breast to women having facial hair... :\ uhhh... men growing breast is very abnormal.. but its normal for women to grow hair on upperlip and thick eyebrows.. its totally normal i think most women have facial hair but how much varies... if its a lot then theres prolly hormonal problems!

muslim women arent supposed to do their eyebrows either because they also believe in staying n hukam as well too but since in islam its important to look good for ur husband they allow twitching around eyebrows.. and other facial hair... but in sikhi vaheguroojees ur husband and he doesnt consider your facial beauty

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VaheguroojeekakhalsaVaheguroojeekeeFateh

pauVI ]

pourree ||

Pauree:

hir mMdru soeI AwKIAY ijQhu hir jwqw ]

har ma(n)dhar soee aakheeai jithhahu har jaathaa ||

That alone is said to be the Lord's temple, where the Lord is known.

mwns dyh gur bcnI pwieAw sBu Awqm rwmu pCwqw ]

maanas dhaeh gur bachanee paaeiaa sabh aatham raam pashhaathaa||

In the human body, the Guru's Word is found, when one understands that the Lord, the Supreme Soul, is in all.

bwhir mUil n KojIAY Gr mwih ibDwqw ]

baahar mool n khojeeai ghar maahi bidhhaathaa ||

Don't look for Him outside your self. The Creator, the Architect of Destiny, is within the home of your own heart.

mnmuK hir mMdr kI swr n jwxnI iqnI jnmu gvwqw ]

manamukh har ma(n)dhar kee saar n jaananee thinee janam gavaathaa||

The self-willed manmukh does not appreciate the value of the Lord's temple; they waste away and lose their lives.

sB mih ieku vrqdw gur sbdI pwieAw jweI ]12]

sabh mehi eik varathadhaa gur sabadhee paaeiaa jaaee ||12||

The One Lord is pervading in all; through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, He can be found. ||12||

dhan guru dhan guru pyare

penji eventhough sometimes we know what would be the best thing to do its so hard to get rid of the attachment i think we all are trapped in attachment. i have issues in life and this veerji said to take hukamnama everytime i took hukamnama it said to stop! and i still didnt! i obviously didnt follow hukam.. and thats why things keep getting worse for me. i think we all need to learn not to want something really badly in our life... live it the gurmukh way...take the path less travelled.... because in the end we depart with nothing but naam bani....

life is so hard all the feelings and emotions are hard to deal with.. i say just go to gurudwara more often go to reinsabaiis get sangat because thats the only thing that could help us people. i dont know what to say to you

so sorry i didnt really answer the question you asked because i really dont know. you take hukamnama yourself! do ardaas! try not to do anything that will leave you guilty for rest of ur life.. try to get rid of vikaar.. this is the gurmukh answer i guess but i sound like a hypocrite because i dont do all this myself

i am sucha horrible person not a totally proper singhni i shouldnt be saying anything but.. i remember when i stopped cutting,shavng my hair it wasnt tough at all.. i didnt think about it i used to be in so much chardikala do paath eventhough i didnt know how to i actually used to try to get better at sikhi... my eyebrows got bushier i didnt care at alll and facial hair didnt bother me.. but now i feel more trapped into maya and now i see that i do care about facial hair and my looks more than ever before.. i care about my looks because i am trapped in maya.. although i care about looks today eventhough i shouldnt i think about who i was when i wasnt into sikhi,, yh i looked better than now... i still havnt improved as a person.. i am still weak and full of maya but the realization and getting to know more about sikhi..wearing dastaar means so much to me now.. i am still a disgusting person i care about public opinion too and i am trapped in maya too just as others that arent into sikhi are but i have taken a step forward and that is the though of taking amrit...and being part of sangat i know one day i will become a better person and then no other person will matter

it is so hard without sangat especially when ur new into sikhi my parents supported me so much but i know other people questioned why i was getting more into sikhi they felt sorry and felt like i am taking my happiness and true essence of life away from myself.. but they dont understand that its totally the opposite of how they feel sikhi brings true happiness.. u go thru people asking ur questions.. many times i let people walk all over me hurt my feelings other times i stood up for myself.. i look back and think... you know i shulda stood up for myself then" but in the end it doesnt matter what matters is whether you let what they say make you someone you dont want to be... people will talk about ur hair... non sikh/desis will judge but you must try to be confident learn to stand up for urself but more importantly make sure u dont fall weak.

i dont know if this post helped.. but i think most singhnis go thru this even if they arent hairy and all just wearing a dastaar or being into sikhi u get lotta test you mustnt give in!

drinking blood is kinda creepy.... :\ but please dont do it to anyone but.. if you like to do that to kp gill then yh go ahead.. good luck! :D

khalsa camp website doesnt work anymore but i have khalsacamp simran its amazing and it helps you do simran

"Yes sometimes it becomes quite hard to decide about your life partner. As it is a big decision and you have to spend your whole life with that person, so you should decide very carefully. Well your own viewpoint matters a lot. Still I personally think that astrology may become your helping hand in maiking such tough decion as I myself make use of astrology in making tough decisions of life.. Palm reading and vedic astrology are beautiful parts of astrology and predictions are very helpful if done through a genuine astrologer."

did you just write that on a sikh forum

this is horrible and upsetting.. i am sure most ravidasis wouldnt support this. yh i agree its the anti panthic rss,shiv sena trying to divide sikhs

this is so sad and horrible

Yes it is all beadbi, and yes I have seen the programme, but to be fair it is a pretty accurate reflection of the bhappa sikhs whether in delhi or any of the big cities of Punjab. Their 'Sikhism' is a bit different to the Sikhism of you and me because theirs is a Sikhism which is 60% Sikhism and 40% Hinduism. When the average bhappa sikh has a hindu mother, hindu pooah, hindu chache de munde, hindu massar intermigled with a sikh thaiya, sikh foofarh, sikh massi etc, you can't expect his version of sikhism not to include bits of hinduism and confused with hinduism. In a sense thats why the Indian media, whenever they depict sikhs, do have them doing pooja, arti etc because to be fair to the Indians the sikhs they know and associate with do tend to be the sikhs that live among them in the urban areas ; the bhappas.....and that is what they actually do.

you are totally generalizing. i know amazing"bhappe" singhnis and singhs that inspire me..

Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj was never in maya and he never became Akal Purakh. He was/is Sri Waheguru ji in his formless form.

Take for example a mother and her new born baby. The mother takes care of the child in everyway possible and in the baby's eyes the mother is God (the creator, the giver, the perserver, the wise, the one that wipes the tears away to put a smile on the face of the child). The child grows up and lets maya runs it course where the child runs around attached to maya. The child sees the mother as the subordinate to the bigger universal Creator God now and says to mom you're not God (not in words, but action). Tells the mom in action you helped me on the way, you acted the part of God for the time I needed you, thank you, but now I know what I'm doing and my knowledge is great. This is what happens to us when we see Guru ji as lower, he was in maya but Sri Waheguru ji took him out. The child forgets the mother has not changed, but the child him or herself has changed.

sorry i mean guru ji didnt let maya overpower him he remained one with vaheguroojee.

when i wasn't into sikhi, i was into guys too like most teenage girls are although i didnt have a boy friend. I mean i had crushes but i always knew i wanted to marry a guy with pagh and dardi, i think its because my dad kept dardi and pagh. I remember hanging out with sikh punjabi friends and they asked what kind of guy i would want to marry.. i said someone with pagh and dardi and then my friends made fun of me because they said thats a bit backward and not attractive. although i wasnt into sikhi it really hurt me to see someone say that because after all it was like attacking my identity. it surprised me the girl who said she said she wants to marry a mona has dad who keeps a full kesh and dardi.

I think the reason i always wanted to marry someone who kept kesh and dardi is because my dad was the ideal figure for me its like how guys always want someone like their mom, my dad is an amazing person because he doesn drink or do anything bad. he was the only person who did paath and cared about sikhi in my whole family

My non desi friend once asked me whether i would marry nonpunjabi I said No!! and she thought i was a racist just because thats not what i prefer. Its considered good in western society to marry outside of ur race because this shows that you are moving away from "racism" but marrying a muslim is a red flag because most of them (although not all) try to convert you or abuse you because they see you as inferior and think you have no moral values so its okay to play with your feelings.

I think it is parents fault but its too easy to blame it on parents. Its our whole community's fault because we tend to think that taking sikhi seriously is "backwards" or we think having strict religious values is moving away from modernization. Media plays a big role in why people feel the way they do. I think there is a lot of need of parchaar, sikh camps and reinsabaiis everywhere

Muslims have all the resources in the world. Their community emphasises Religion their culture emphasis religion but our culture emphasis sharaab and bhangra more than shaheedis and religion thats why punjab is flooded with drugs today.

If we choose to make a difference we have to start defining our culture in a new way.. a better way so we dont make our sisters that are going to shape the future generation like a cheap commodity. We have to tell them sakhis of sikhs, tell them about Ghallugharas...

My muslim friend kinda went off track behind her parents pack because they are too strict never let her go out and do anything.. they were always watching her so once she got in college she went a little crazy over this nonmuslim/nondesi guy.. i told her to stop unless she wants to get killed. :\ soo restricting ur kids and being tooo strict isn't the solution. dont be toooo thilley but also make sure ur kids arent going off track

our desi parents dont know how to parent in this new generation sometimes.. :\

I wasnt taught about Sikhi either.. what got me into it is learing about shaheeds, Operation Blue star and the sikh genocide really made me want to learn more... then being able to go get sangat eventhough i live where theres NO sangat..we would drive with another sikh family to other states just for reinsabaii kirtan and that really made me learn about sikhi... every parent should try their best....take ur kids to reinsabaiii..get them sangat if you want them into sikhi.. educate them... and us as a community need to redefine our culture...

Remember to raise ur kids with so much sikhi that they cant even think of marrying someone non sikh dont poison them against muslims or hindus... raise them with pyar and respect for sikhi..

if you cut ur kids hair just because u are ashamed (i know ppl that did this because they dont want to walk around with someone looking different than gores) then might as well convert to another religion if ur not proud of ur heritage

today a gora guy came upto me and started asking about my "headdress" lol i told him i am sikhi.. and he was like ahhhh sikhs fought for the british..they are very brave people... i was like yeah we sure are.. joking i just smiled back

our community is sucha failture when it comes to helping the needy especially people from our own community. you should talk to him and try to help out when you see him. talk to gurudwara committe or other singhnis and singhnis that you think could help.

there is a group on facebook for homeless sikhs in southhall i think.. i am not from england so i dont know... but you should definitely do something about it..

best thing would be to talk to him or take someone older and more wise to talk to that baba..

Lunch:

Sandwich - white bread with carrots, tomato, cucumber and one slice of cheese or cheese spread (no margarine)

Fruit - 1 or 2 Apples, 1 pear, 1 or 2 oranges

Crisps - Cheese and onion/salt and vinger/ ready salted

eat sweets - staurburst or softmints or somthing

I don't drink anything during lunch

penji make sure you quit starburst it has gelatin :\

and put canola or olive oil in everything eat less noon..

make sure stuff u eat is andah free

and its okay if ur farts are nasty.. just let them go when its windy!! and you are outdoors

and also... you might be lactose intolerant try to drink lactaid and NO CHEESE or milk products! - cereal with lactaid... (most desis are lactose intolerant)