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Pretty nifty but a load of rubbish. I put in my parents details to see what colour eyes I should have. It reckons I should have green eyes but I have black.

Bit of a rip off all them DVDs. Most look like T-Series ones which you can get really cheap in India. Bad thing about them is they stop playing after a while as the media used is utter crap. If you buy any do back them up on to a decent brand of DVD media.

Hopefully, after the spiritual realization he has felt, through Vaheguroos Kirpa he will make a Sikhi based film which reflects the true light of it and not the type of mickey mouse movie that Funny Sunny indulged in. 101200[/snapback] Lets hope he does not work on one of them crappy Harbhajan Mann movies which always involve an NRI angle and him going to Canada.

we are not worried about buny and babli, but about the kids that watch this and think that its ok.... if u r not worried about it then good for you. live and let live right.. let the people that worry about it worry about it then... dont worry about the people that are worrying 101009[/snapback] I am not worried in the slightest. Making a mountain out of a mole hill springs to mind. It is a big shame that at a time when our heritage is being destroyed by fellow Sikhs every day, such topics evoke only 3/4 responses. Start a thread on a film and pretend it is a big major super duper threat to Sikhi and you get 50+ responses. Some of you people really need to get your priorities right. Go up to any female Sikh child who is in infant school and ask them if their name is XYZ Singh. The girl will laugh at you and tell you that girls are Kaur and boys Singh. So they will know this film is not real with her being named Babli Singh. Your argument about the kids is far fetched, how many kids have you seen trying to emulate Charlie from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or plugging their heads into computer Matrix style ?

If the charachters in the film looked like this then we should be concerned. If not get on with your lives and stop worrying about bunty and babli.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I do not consider "twat" to be dirty language its just another word for imbecile. Jagiro head of the SGPC is a daughter killer and has been excommunicated from the panth. Vedanti was in the UK last year. He did nothing, he goes on foreign tours but does nothing useful. If he is incapable he should buy a donkey and retire to his village. Afterall as Jathedar he is not exactly doing anything and there are hundreds of petitions lying unread in the Akal Takht secetariat.

1. Babli cannot be Sikh because Sikh females use Kaur not Singh as surname. 2. The SGPC should sort its own house out before throwing stones at others. They are a disgrace to Sikhi. SGPC members have been caught in many things that go against Sikhi including a member using his car for drug smuggling. If such people can be members of the SGPC then why they got problem with this film. 3. I agree with the other veer ji that is if Babli Singh was shown as an amritdhari indulging in such behaviour we should be concerned. As it is she has cut hair doe snot have a Sikh name etc so why all the concern.

Where on your head ? Stop posting statements that play on inciting violence.

What a load of bobbins. How many people became Gangsters after watching Company or Satya ? and how many girls went on to become bar dancers after watching Chameli etc ? I better not go watch the Revenge of the Sith as I might want to become a Sith.

Does not help when we have twats in charge of all our sacred institutions that should be initiating action and summoning these committe members or excomunicating them. "Jathedar" Vedanti is nothing more than Badals pyjama. He really needs to start taking action if not he should resign and tour the world on a donkey as he has done nothing to stop any beadbi. Anybody know when he is going to be in the UK next ? The youth need to arrange a meeting and tell him exactly what is going on and how him and those in the Akal Takht secetariat have been sitting on their behinds doing nothing to help. All it will take to sort all this stuff out is a few summons to the Akal Takht and excommunication for non offenders. To me this missuse of our beloved Guru Ji's name for such an event is more outragous than the Sunny Deol film but for some reason our "Jathedar" fail to make enough noise about such events.

Isnt it amazing when we go to Gurdwara and each time we go we have our Guru Maharaj right infront of us. If anyone not heard of him read a few other threads about Mahapursh Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Brahmgiani Dhadriana Wale.

Its one of them kabaddi tournaments not a langar where you cant have meat. According to Sikh history, the Rehat Maryada and Hukumnama issued by the Akal Takht in the early 1980s it is ok to eat jhatka meat. So logically if the hot dogs are made using jhatka meat it should be ok if not it is wrong.

I hope the hot dogs are from Jhatka meat as else it is wrong. Reminds me of the springhs at a certain Gurdwara in Smethwick who like to organise similar events where they invite big time charlies from Punjab Police. The same punjab police that was killing our brothers and raping our sisters. Just shows what these pucca ha*"$£$%£ will do for a bit of publicity.

Good to hear that Mahapursh Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Brahmgiani Dhadriana Wale is coming to the UK. I read there were major long queues at Gurdwara in Canada so yes Baba Ji sure needs large Gurdwara to do his parchar.

There is a photo in the following thread which I have added as an attachment to this post. http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.ppa?f=1&i=36869&t=36869

If Baba Ji's family accept it then why do others have a problem ?

Kurta, veerji, obviously Indian police is going to put the blame on the sikhs, do they have a choice? Please I beg of you, infront of sangat on SS.com give evidence and story of murder done by "militants". Justice delivered to police men, and other anti-panthic elements by means of death at the hands of the sikhs is not to be considered murder or a terrorist act. So please Kurta veerji, respond in due. 99701[/snapback] Killing innocent constables in PP and members of their families is a terrorist act. Similar to how the PP harrasment & killings of militant family members is also a terrorist act. Both sides did wrong and it is time we took the wool away from our eyes and faced reality. You can pretend what you want but not all militants were angels (and please do not then tell me that all those who did wrong in militant ranks were police infiltrators etc). If you want further proof get a few old newpapers and read the press releases given by the "Panthic" committees there are more than enough claiming reponsibility where innocent people were killed. As I have suggested next time you are in Punjab go have a chat with Zaffarwal. We were ISI puppets: Zaffarwal Prabhjot Singh and Varinder Walia Baba Bakala, April 20 Long isolation, survival on a pittance and donations and the realisation that violence was no solution to any problem were the factors that forced Wassan Singh Zaffarwal, a once ruthless leader of the Khalistan Commando Force (Zaffarwal), to retract his stand on “Khalistan” and seek “a return to the mainstream”. “I have always felt sorry for those innocent victims who fell to the bullets of militants during turbulence in Punjab. I wish I could go to the families of the victims of that ‘madness’ and explain to them how people like me were used as mere ‘puppets’ by the Pakistan-based ISI”, Wassan Singh Zaffarwal, one of the most wanted militants in the late 80s and early 90s, said here today. “I feel that the age between 25 years and 40 years is the time when one has to channelise one’s energies in a positive way. It was this period of my life with which I wreaked havoc. I strayed on to a path of destruction and got into wrong hands. Once I was there I could not come out. It was like slush in which I had sunk myself deeper and deeper to reach a stage of no return”, he said when The Tribune team caught with him while he was being brought here from the place of his detention for extension of police remand. Mr S.S. Dhaliwal, Additional Civil Judge, extended his remand until April 23. Earlier, he was medically examined at the Civil Hospital here. “Once I openly opposed the plans given to us for execution in Punjab. The result was that I was sent to solitary confinement for six months. Otherwise we always had a ‘munshi’ supervising our activities in the ‘kothis’ we stayed in Pakistan”, he said disclosing that he went to Pakistan thrice with the last visit in 1987 extending till July, 1996, when he finally left that country for “good” for greener pastures in Switzerland. But once there he was reduced to being a parasite living on the doles of the Swiss Government and donations from the UK-based Council of Khalistan”. After his visit to Pakistan in 1984, which lasted a month, he returned and announced “Khalistan” from Akal Takht. He returned to Pakistan in 1986 for a fortnight and then went back in 1987. It was between 1984 and 1991 that Zaffarwal had 15 cases of murder, attempt to murder, secession, waging a war against the nation and other criminal acts registered against him. Of the eight cases in which he was registered a proclaimed offender, the first one attempt to murder was registered against him at Dasuya when militants opened fire at a medical hall, seriously injuring the two brothers running the shop. Another case of murder and attempt to murder was registered against him on January 25 the following year when a group of militants opened indiscriminate fire at Dasuya, killing two persons besides injuring eight. Yet another case of indiscriminate firing three persons lost their lives at Dhariwal on May 6, 1985. He was one of five suspects named in the case. In the same year in the month of November, Zaffarwal and Tarsem Singh Kohar were named in an FIR after the Sarpanch of Udoke Kalan was shot and one of his accomplice injured in a shootout. In February, 1986, Zaffarwal was named in another case of murder and attempt to murder when four persons were killed in indiscriminate firing. The last case of murder and attempt to murder was registered against him in 1991 when Balwinder Singh was dragged out of his house and shot in the jurisdiction of the Amritsar Sadar police station. Zaffarwal denies his presence or involvement in any of these cases. Besides, there are two cases of sedition registered against him in Amritsar in 1986 and 1989. “We were under our Pakistan bosses. They would tell us to write letters and issue directions to our men in the field. These were sent through special couriers. Our operations were mainly funded through money coming from our sources in Europe and North America. The money was transferred in the name of certain shopkeepers of Lahore or Sialkot and we would draw cash from them. The ISI provided us well-furnished kothis. Some of us were provided cars like Toyota Corolla but we had to seek permission for every outing. “I did attend some of the training camps, including those in handling explosives and firearms. I can fire a rocket and use an AK-47. We had the maximum recruitment in 1988-89. I may have provided firearms to 300-odd members of my organisation, besides getting 65 to 70 of them trained in the use of firearms. “We used to get copies of Indian newspapers, including Punjabi Tribune, at our ‘kothis’. I used to feel bad for the killing of innocent persons. Dr Jagjit Singh Chauhan also always opposed killings of innocents. Others who opposed these were Tejinder Singh, I.S. Bal and D.S. Sandhu. “Since we were under their control, whenever we opposed such a move we were threatened that we would be dropped at the border. Under threat we kept quiet,” he said, maintaining that such actions also led to rumblings within militant organisations. “In one case, two youngsters — Pal Singh and “Nihang” were shot in their sleep by the leader of their group, a veterinary doctor (P.S. Sekhon). His accomplices left him and joined the Paramjit Singh Panjwar’s group there. This led to another clash between Sekhon’s group and Panjwar’s group. Paramjit Singh Panjwar, whose family has now got political asylum in Germany, was the most ruthless.” “While I was in Pakistan, others who were living in kothis like me included Paramjit Singh Panjwar, Wadhawa Singh Babbar, Mahil Singh Babbar, Gajinder Singh, Lakhbir Singh Rode, P.S. Sekhon and Balbir Singh Sandhu. Mahil Singh has his family in Canada now while Wadhawa Singh Babbar lives with his wife, son and a daughter in Pakistan. His second daughter has been married to someone in Germany,” Zaffarwal disclosed. Talking about his initiation into militancy, he said he made friends with Tarsem Singh Kohar without realising that he was a militant. “One of his friends, Madan Lal Maddi, was arrested by the police. He named me. For fear of police arrest and harassment, I left my home and never returned. My brother was taken into custody. My mother was detained. My father remained with the police for eight years. Once I left home, I got into the hands of the ISI. Initially, I felt uncomfortable but once I got into the Damdami Taksal fold, I started feeling safe. “Under the circumstances, I had no choice but to oblige my masters. I could not return home for fear of the Army and the police. We never claimed responsibility. But mostly these were our men in the field who made these claims. But I can tell you I was never involved any killing,” he said. “I want to be back with my people, with my family, in my own country. I had been desperate to return home. I am ready to face the consequences for my actions. To be honest, I wanted to be back last year. In February, I went to Rome and used photocopies of the passport of another Indian, Charanjit Singh, to obtain an Emergency Travel Certificate from the Indian Embassy in Rome. I put my picture and changed the date of birth from 1976 to 1956.

1) I was watching the events unfold live on Star News yesterday and on the scene there were a few Sikhs but they were more than outnumbered by non Sikhs. 2) If they wanted all they wanted to do was to defame Sikhs why have there been no such incidents in the past. 3) Could it just be that the person behind it was a Muslim ? 4) Out of compassion a PM would go to see victims in most countries. I too do not think a Sikh organisation was responsible, they have been inactive for a long time and this as you say is a petty issue. Anyway whoever was reponsible, the almighty Waheguru will deal with them.

Sorry veer ji I forgot to past the URL Here it is : http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200505231431.htm

1) Why would lots of Sikhs go to see the movie, when they have been protesting against its release ? 2) Why thy not done this earlier ? 3) Police have so far only arrested a muslim who they say is a member of the LeT. 4) How will it mock the central government, this is a matter for Sheila Dixit the head of the Delhi sarkar. People have been injured etc and people on forums are already spinning fantasy conspiracy theories. Some say it is ISI or RAW others are blaming RSS etc next we will have people blaming a radical group comprised of communist midgets.

It is the Akal Takht that issues Hukumnama and not the SGPC which is just a management committee that likes to interfere in Sikh religious affairs..

Strange but Indian police are saying the opposite. As to your "Do you think that the sikhs, who did'nt bomb innocent" statement I suggest you delve a bit deeper and you will see that many innocent people were killed by "militants" and the police. Next time you are in India go meet Wassan Singh Zaffarwal and ask him what type of things his militant group did at the behest of other countries. Police say blasts not linked to film New Delhi, May 23.(UNI): Police claim to have found no connection between "Jo Bole So Nihal" and the explosions at the two theaters showing the controversial film. They have arrested a Lashkar e Toiba (LeT) militant with 5.5 kg RDX and are investigating his links with Sunday's cinema blasts. "Mohammad Irshad Ittoo of Lashkar-e-Toiba was arrested last night and 5.5 kg RDX recovered from his possession," Delhi Police Commissioner K K Paul told a battery of reporters today, a day after bombs tore through Liberty and Satyam cinemas here, killing one and wounding around 50. Ittoo, Dr Paul said, had lived in Pakistan for five years, but was not stranger to Delhi. "He had also visited Delhi before. Police have recovered Rs 250,000 which he was to deliver to one Imran," the Commissioner added. Dr Paul said the cinema blasts bore the hallmarks of a militant operation, but he did not name any outfit suspected to have carried out the bombings. "Preliminary investigations by our experts show that the bombs contained plastic explosives, which are also used by militants. There were no shrapnel or splinter injuries from the bombs. Instead, it was the impact of explosions that caused casualties," he said. Not linked to movie The Commissioner, however, ruled out the blasts had any links with the film "Jo Bole So Nihal", considered offensive by some Sikhs. "We do not think that the blasts had links with the movie. There were no protests against the film in Delhi, nor was there any press statement about a protest call by anyone over the movie," Dr Paul said. He also ruled out the possibility of any Sikh militant group still being active despite the disappearance of the movement more than a decade ago. "We have no such information." Police have put railway stations and airports on alert but there is no reason for panic, he said. Dr Paul also dismissed any connection between today's tiny purse explosion at Nand Nagri with yesterday's cinema blasts. "It was a device hidden in a purse... a mischief, but we are not linking it to the cinema blasts." The Police Commissioner said 35 of the people wounded in the blasts were today discharged from hospital.

Just been watching a bit of this on Star News. The substandard reporters are trying to give it a Sikh tint even before any investigations have been done. One of the senior policemen interviewed refused to speculate until all investigations are done. Two New Delhi cinema blasts injure dozens-police 22 May 2005 17:37:19 GMT Source: Reuters NEW DELHI, May 22 (Reuters) - Two explosions injured dozens of people on Sunday in two New Delhi cinemas, which were screening a movie considered offensive to some Sikhs, police said. Several other cinema halls across the city were evacuated immediately after the explosions, local television stations reported. At least 40 people were hurt at one of the theatres, where shattered glass and debris littered the ground, police said. Witnesses said there was no major damage to the building. At least seven were injured at the second cinema, Headlines Today television said. There were no immediate reports of deaths. Further details were not immediately available and no cause had been determined for the blasts. The two theatres were showing a film called "Jo Bole So Nihal". Some Sikhs complain the title, in the Punjabi language, offends their religion. On Sunday, India's coalition government also celebrated the first anniversary of taking power.

Charged with murdering her own daughter, if that is not evil then I do not know what is. To smartsingh, she may be right but she does not have the mandate of the Khalsa Panth to make such decisions especially when many of the SGPC members have been caught indulging in anti Sikh activities. She should get her own house in order before lecturing to others.

This Jagiro charachter is well funny. Bear in mind she was excommunicated from the Sikh faith by Jathedar Puran Singh Ji (when he was Akal Takht Jathedar). She ignored the orders of Panj Singh and now is issuing codes for film makers. The statement "The SGPC President said that the persona of an Amritdhari Sikh was such that he could not commit any crime or take liquor.". Maybe she should sort out the SGPC. SGPC members have been caught with a lady of the night in a SGPC car, drug trafficking using SGPC cars, distributing alcohol during SGPC elections, failing to pay course fees for family members they have got admitted to SGPC run eduction institutions. Jagiro herself helped herself to few lakh rupees from SGPC coffers and used it to take her family to South Africa, a casket containing jewels was found to be empty when she was last president, she managed to buy a posh koti in defence colony Jullundhar after her last tenure as SGPC head not to mention she has been charged with killing her daughter (all becasue she married out of caste). Now she thinks the SGPC can impose codes in film makers. She really is a joke. The SGPC are not the Sarbat Khalsa nor do they have any mandate for issuing such codes. Further shows how the Akal Takht has become sidelined by the SGPC. SGPC panel seeks removal of scenes Lays down code for film-makers Sarbjit Dhaliwal Tribune News Service Chandigarh, May 19 While laying down a tough code for film and serial makers with regard to the playing of Sikh characters and the use of Sikh religious symbols and Gurbani in their productions, the SGPC President, Bibi Jagir Kaur, today said that the controversial film “Jo Bole So Nihal” had not only hurt the feelings of the Sikhs but also distorted Gurbani and the sacred Sikh slogan. Hence, the screening of the film should be stopped immediately in all parts of the country till the deletions recommended here by a committee headed by her were effected. Though the entire film was “polluted”, the committee recommended only the removal of those scenes which violated Sikh tenets. “It is a commercial film and has nothing to do with religion.” She set a up a five-member committee to prepare a detailed report on the basis of the decisions taken at today’s meeting. As far as the code laid down by the SGPC is concerned, no film or serial producer will hence forth be able to exhibit the “parkash” of Guru Granth Sahib in their productions. No non-Amritdhari artistes will be able to play the role of an Amritdhari Sikh in any film or serial. Besides, no Sikh can be shown committing a crime or drinking liquor in any film or serial. Obviously, it will be a tough job for producers to follow the code. “Many movies projecting Sikh characters in very good light have been made in the past but no one will take any risk in this regard in the future”, says a film-goer. The SGPC President said that the persona of an Amritdhari Sikh was such that he could not commit any crime or take liquor. The depiction of such a Sikh as a criminal or a drunkard in films was highly objectionable. Regarding non-Amritdhari Sikhs, Bibi Jagir Kaur said that in her view “patit Sikhs” were not a part of the Sikh stream. Meanwhile, the SGPC committee, which deliberated on various aspects of the controversial film today, asked the producer to change the title of the film, remove certain scenes, including one relating to the “parkash” of Guru Granth Sahib and others which violated the Sikh ethos. The producer was also asked to remove from the film distortions of Gurbani. A copy of the resolution passed by the committee to seek a ban on the film till the removal of the scenes was sent to the Prime Minister, the Home Minister and the Punjab Chief Secretary for appropriate action. The producer was told that after removing the objectionable scenes and other distortions relating to Sikh religious matters, the film should be shown to the committee again for approval. The film should not be shown till it was cleared by the committee. Asked what would happen if the producer and distributors refused to comply with the directions given by the committee, Bibi Jagir Kaur said that “the Sikhs are capable of getting such directions enforced”. “If the distributors of the film do not abide by what we say, we will see how to stop the movie from being screened in the country”, she asserted. Though she did not say so, from her tone it appeared that the SGPC may ask the Sikhs to resort to “direct action” against the film.