11Gurus1Jot

Can we get back to talking about Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale being aired on our Sikh TV Stations?

Sant Ji knowledge of Sikhi is totally unrivalled by all the posted on this site, so why don't we want to have his videos on Sikh TV Stations so that we can learn about Sikhi?

Let's talk about Sant Ji only on this thread and not come off topic.

india is a messed country were you have

hindus that attack inocent sikhs

sikhs that attack inocent hindus

hindus attack inocent muslims

muslims attack inocent hindus

hindus attack inocent hindus

alot of the mess is left from the british

Yes but there is one massive difference. The Hindus massive majotity have got their own government, Legal System, Army and Police Force, and economical national media network which they can use against the Sikhs whenever they like. Like they did for the Sikh Genocide in the 80s and 90s. At the moment when the rulers of the Siks in India, the Hindus, start to kill the Sikhs, the Sikhs have got nowhere to go to. Their is no nation on this earth that will support the Siksh. Whereas, Muslims have got loads of Countries where the own people, the Muslims, rule and therefore they can turn to those nations for help (even Pakistan, right next door). There are Muslims in the UN and everything. So your point fails on the fact the the Hindus are the rulers and majority and totally protected by a their own ruling Government, laws, Army and Police force, and national media and economic network in India. So please do not make the Hindus look like the Victims/Slaves like the Sikhs are in reality! Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, have all got their own nation on this earth. Only the Sikh Religion has not got it;s own nation and is ruled by another religion (the Hindus) on this earth and the Sikhs have no country, no land, no government, no army, no police force, of their own who they can turn to when they are being persecuted! The fact that 10,000 known murderers of Sikhs in November 1984 in delhi alone walk the streets of Delhi today with total immunity proves that Hindus are not the victims or slaves in India, it is the Sikhs who are the Victims/Slaves!

Let's not fall in the trap usually put forward by some Hindus which is to try and blame the British and the Muslims for the 1980s and 1990s Sikh Genocide in India when it was only the Hindu Central Government of India that was carrying out the Sikh Genocide!!!! The Hindus always try to make the Sikhs think of the British or the Muslims when Sikhs talk about the 1980s and 1990s masacre carried out by the Hindu Government on the Sikhs

UKLondonSikh Ji, the point you raise about property in your 3rd paragraph above, and how Sikhs need to invest in their own financial strenght so that they actually have some money to give to those less fortunate than themselves is a very valid point. You are right! you do not have to be a poor begger with no money yourself to find God. Your are right, Sikhs and not meant to be a weight on society by being in need themselves, instead they should make themselves more than self reliant and actually help those less fortunate than themselves. Good Point !

However, the other crapy stuff I mention is definitely something we could cut back on to help our Sikh Media, As Sikh Media will create more Sikhs, and keep more Sikhs in Sikhi, and, as history proves, the more Sikhs there are, the better off everybody is "sarbat da balla". If we have no Sikh Media and are exposed to other media we will all fall out of Sikhi, as we will be exposed to non-Sikh Media all the time. This is true simply because everybody has a television in their house and everybody has it on for many hours a day. So, we have got to make sure they have the 'SIKHI OPTION' on their television. For it we don't, every Sikh will just end up watching non-Sikh television becuase they are going to have the telly on for so many hours a day, no matter what, so it may as well be a Sikh Channel they have on!

It must be difficult for yourself as a Taksali Singh, that follows Taksali maryada to listen to views that are different to yours since you accept your own views as the supreme truth. However, this is not uncommon in other small cult-like groups as well.

This is not a go a pedrorizzo, it really is a genuine question from me, anybody can answer it..

Was the Taksaal started by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, for Baba Deep Singh Ji to continue, or not? Is there any chance we can settle this once and for all. Is the Taksaal a Sikh University, fixed, and mobile, for Gurbani, as started by Guru Gobind Singh Ji as Baba Deep Singh Ji as it's first head? Can anybody give a yes or no. If somebody gives a no can they explain how Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not appointment Baba Deep Singh Ji as the first head of the taksaal.

This is not about arguing here. It's just whether we deny the Taksaal Lineage going back to Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Baba Deep Singh Ji or not?

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i really wanted to know whther it is wrong to lok at a singh in a attractive way wrong... i am confused becuase if you are attrcted to a singh then doesnt that at least mean you are in the right mind in looking at him rather than looking at someone who is not the same religion as you. if you are attracted to a singh then what should you do becuase in many ways you shouldnt be lustful but a singh is still sikh... confused... HELP!

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I am in no way gay, I am a hetrosexual man. (I thought I would get that out the way before I post this).

I don't know how to advise you, but, I can say, I see many young Singh's, and i think to myself, how proud their parents must be of them for being such a fine figure of a man. And how the the in-laws they marry into will be proud to have them as an addition to their family.

In fact, I see Singh's of all ages who I think look like super heros (they look like the Singhs you see in the purathan paintings). Those Sikhi Saroop Singhs can't help being extemely good looking men, it's just the way god made them.

Look how many posts we have on here where young men feel they want to cut their beard because they feel they don't look as good as shaved men. Well, I'm sorry, it's not all about Singhs not looking as good a shaved men. In fact, in my opinion, most of the Singhs look better than the shaved men. We can't all pretend to be surprised when women start finding Singhs attractive, for looking like men. I can't advise you, but if you;re both single, you could think about asking your parent into arranging for him to be you partner in marriage, one day! But only if your parents will not rip your head off for asking. Preventing Sikh Girls from ever looking at any man Singh ever as a prospective marrainge partner, ever, could lead to more Sikh Girls running off with muslims or non-Sikhs generally as they could think they are commiting incest if they marry the Sikh Brother, if every Singh is their brother! I am not encouraging dating here, just marriages arranged by the parents at the request of a young Sikh men or women.

Good topic/ ideologies but can't see it happening sorry to speak. The individuals behind these channels have too much ego to merge. Sikh channel try to get one over sangat tv and sangat tv try to get one over on sikh channel. Bit like children in a sweet shop.

Singhni, This is exactly the fear I would have if a merger came about. The merged channel could implode!

Anyway, like I say, there are millions and millions and millions of pounds we Sikhs could stop spending on rubbish which we could give to Charity instead. So let's not think of reasons for us to pay less to our Sikh Media. We're already the tightest misers of the lot when it comes to supporting our Sikh Media (We UK Sikhs should be absolutely ashamed of ourselves and just simply support one of our Sikh TV Stations!). The two channels raise a great deal of awarness for charitable causes so keeping them going will help poorer people more than if we bring them down. Also, we should only have the minimum and most basic packages on SKY. With the money we save on the sports channels and movie channels and all the other packages we have over the VERY basic package we could send to charity. We know that the extra packages run into millions of pounds just for the Sikhs. However, nobody is saying cancel the packages above the very basic package on SKY so you can give the money to charity. That's because we Sikhs don't hate the premium sports and movie packages on SKY, we just hate our Sikh Channels and just turn into poor beggers, at the bottom of the pile, when it comes to our Sikh Media. Otherwise, we are happy to waste money on all the unnecessary rubbish we spend our money on, just to keep up with the Joneses (or Johals).

Justice will only come through Media !!

Rebel Singh, you make me laugh because your English, sometimes, sounds almost like a mobile phone/email type of english, However, within your posts you raise some of the most intelligent points and observations I have read on this site !!!

I hope you are part of an organisation were you are able to convert these intelligent points into action points and then into actions (now don't give any personal info on here because anonymity is a great weapon on the internet !!).

Ok, what about just learning about Sikhi from Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale. That alone? We do see many many different parcharaks on both channels when even they say Sant Ji's knowledge on Sikhi was a hundred times better than their knowledge. Why do you think both channels are not putting forward Sant Ji's Parchar at the moment then. Doesn't it make sense for us to get the best?

Please make sure this thread does not critisize either channel.

Does anybody think we should have Sant Ji on both channels?

True if a velvet divorce between India and azad Punjab could be achieved without bloodshed like how Czechoslovakia peacefully divorced into the Czech Republic and Slovakia ... then even I have to admit an azad Punjab would be something no Sikh would likely oppose. But let's get real ... if Punjab splits ... the whole country would disintegrate (which they would never willingly allow) ... I think we can achieve more by getting the Anandpur Sahib resolution adopted and supported by other Indian states ... leading to a Confedaration of independent states similar to the EU or ASEAN. Ie Punjab would be independent sovereign nation, free to set its own food prices ... but still able to sell its products in other independent states (within the EU-like confederation) such as Maharashtra and Gujarat and Bengal ... whilst still having a common defence against Pakistan. That would allow the millions of Sikhs outside of Punjab to remain where they are whilst still allowing us the capacity to spread Sikhi in other parts of the old India. However, let's remember India has 1.2billion non-Sikhs so it won't be an easy task to even convince them of a velvet divorce! But given that all population segments of India are minorities ... for example even Brahmins only number 50 million at best (and Brahmin dominance of GOI is continuing to fade year by year as Yadavs, Jatavs + various OBC communities gain power as evidenced by Congress getting wiped out the last 20 years in Uttar Pradesh) ... Sikhs can achieve more by getting other states on side with demands for greater federalism

Now that sounds like a very viable and positive solution which would benefit all those in Punjab!

Disagree with you on that 11Gurus1Jot Paji.

Let the other mob have their 20 stations each.

Let them waste half a million a month funding them, whilst we as the smaller community out-smart them by channelling our limited (non-Saudi or American subsidized) resources into a united channel and by doing so we preserve more of our Sangat's money for more important purposes like actually helping people in need (regardless of their faith).

There ain't no comparison between what Sikhi is about and what the other lot advocate.

Them lot would rather see the whole world as their faith but the gareeb be starving in the meantime.

We would rather eliminate hunger, child poverty, malaria and HIV before asking people to examine Sikhi.

But that joker Naik is definitely a man whose ideas+vision needs to be observed and learnt from where usefully applicable. He's a fraud and he knows Islam is false but his dedication to an Islamic Empire ruling the world is inspirational in a weird way! If all of us can be as dedicated to spreading Sikhi for Sarbat dha Bhalla as he is to pimping Islam for global domination + purely political objectives ... we'll actually get somewhere in the remainder of this decade.

WLS Ji, if it brings unity then I too am for it 100%. However, we need true unity rather than infighting in the new merged channel if there was one, that could bring it down from the inside. I can show you a post where I said they should merge if the only alternative was they both go if they don't merge.

The only other thing I would say is, we should not become tight litte misers when it comes to our Sikh Channels only. We could have both channels easily if we just starting spending less on boose, cigerretes, cars, big houses, expensive clothes and hair cuts, expensive holidays, expensive meals and all the other selfish stuff we waste our money on, by over indulging, just to prove we are the best!

If both channels merged as a body, but kept 840 and 847 it could work really well in that one channel could have more Punjabi shows and one more English shows (Gurmukhi/Gurbani would be on both in equal amounts though). That way no Sikh in Britian would ever feel like they were 'missing out' at any given time! Because at the moment the English Speaking Youngsters can't understand what is being said when a Brilliant Punjabi programmes come on, and the Punjabi Speaking Sikhs can't understand when a Brilliant English Speaking programmes come on. There's always one these sections, who aren't bi-lingual, missing out. Now that would be a great reason to merge, but keep two channels!

Spending money on Sikh Media is brilliant compared to all the rubbish I have mentioned in blue. Why cut back on our Sikh Media before we cut back on the crap?. There's plenty of crappy areas we can save money on, before we start pulling back on our media!

Justice will only come through our Media

I think it's a brilliant idea! The Muslims, Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs should all have only 1 channel each only. Nothing wrong with that at all.

There is a very valid theory that less Sikhs will be killed in a peaceful movement for a Sikh State then will be killed if we remain with India.

If this is true? How many of you would take a separate Sikh State them? Like I say, some people have put this forward as a very valid thoery !!!

11Gurus1jot veer ji

NOBODY has the correct number. even Khalra commission (estimated 12-15K)came up with a figure from one area only.

have you thought why were they killed? who started those mass killings? why were they done at that particular time?

Do you know how many of our veers are still in jails in India e.g. Jaipur jail.i think we need to think logically when we demand Khalistan. This demand has isolated lots of sikhs and their genuine issues.

I see what you mean Veer Ji, however, if the genuine issues (justice) is not forthcoming then people feel that injustice will only continue when we are allowed to live in peace under are own rule rather than as slaves and puppets of the Brahmin Central Government of India. I think it's fair play to all the Sikhs who think we will get justice from India. Try it. But when justice is never given, your genuine issues never addressed, and instead further injustices are committed, you too, will ask for a Sikh Homeland (Khalsa Raj). All of us Sikhs will all come to realise that a Sikh State is the only solution, it's just that we'll all come to that realisation at different times.

I hope I am proved wrong one day and Sikhs get the same rights as Hindus in Punjab! But I think you find that will never happen. If the indian government starts to kill more Sikhs over the next few years please don't just keep blaming ourselves to ease your conscience. I know it sometimes feels easier to believe we are not being killed at the orders of the Hindu Brahmins in the central government of India but we are somehow killing ourselves. Sometimes you have to stare the enemy in the face and take them on through peaceful and legal means. The Kesri/ipledge lehar, the human rights movement has started. Lets keep it going, in a peaceful and legal manner, it's about is remaining awake and making the rest of the world aware of the injustices that have been commited against the Sikhs and are still being commited against the Sikhs in India.

I know nobody knows the exact number. However, you must a minimum number of Sikhs that you believe were killed in the 80s and 90s? Just a minimum India wide number in the 80s and 90s? I think it's close to .25million with all the countless witness statements I have read and heard via the media, books, and newspapers, from many many every day normal Sikh Women and Men. There's also the numbers I have read in countless books, dated newspaper articles and documents. Just give me the minimum number you think it is. I just want to gauge your threshold of how many deaths you could tolerate before you think a Sikh Homeland is required?

We all say that Bhai Balwant Singh Ji Rajoana has woken up the whole Sikh Nation/Kaum, Since Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale woke it up last in the 1980s. We all know Bhai Balwant Singh Ji Rajoana looks upto Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale.

With that said, do you think it's time to air all of Sant Ji's video speeches on Sikh Channel and Sangat TV? What possible reason would we have for not viewing them as we are currently awake with the Kesri Lehar (ipledge orange) revolution? What better way to keep the lehar going then Sant Ji's speeches. (before anyone starts... we are just talking about listening to the truth Sant Ji spoke, we are not asking for an armed struggle or anything).

We all argue about what caused the problems in the 80s and 90s in Punjab and Dehli. Well Sant Ji speeches tell us everything in a clear and concise manner, so why don't we put them on our channels, both channels!

I think, both channels should air them as we don't want another split between the channels, so we want both channels to air Sant Ji’s speeches.

Please can you give your positive views on this thread as if this thread becomes 'HOT' we could all have the great pleasure and privilege of watching Sant Ji's speeches on both channels!

Please do add to the thread, even if it's just with a great big 'YES'

Sikhs were not killed in THOUSANDS before those years. They got butchered in thousands after these major historic events.who did most damage to the innocent sikhs (not with ak47's)? I hope that you understand that our LEADERSHIP (same point as Balait_da_Sher) took wrong decisions and got us killed in thousands .....

Sikhs got killed in thousands after attacks on Darbar sahib. Indira made a blunder but some mistakes were made from our side as well.

general opinion which i have heard and kind of settles down in me as well -----Same kind of people are shouting Khalistan and will save themselves but get others killed....(maybe more those 12-15 thousand as said by Khalra commission).

If you think Indian govt killed those 15 thousand sikhs then think again as many "moderate"(sorry i have to use this word) believe Delhi wanted an excuse to overrun people and our holiest shrine and OUR people gave them that EXCUSE. whom should we blame?

the repercussions were severe like a nuclear explosion and we are still suffering.

I am not asking Sikhs to raise an armed struggle for Khalistan, if you read any of my posts you will not find that anywhere!

If you are saying you do not want any more Sikhs to die and you want more of us born into a Sikh Family to become Amritdhari, and then when we have the numbers, we think about a Homeland where we can live with the same Human Rights as the Hindus have in India, then I totally agree with you. I have never suggested an armed struggle at this point in time, with our numbers being so low.

However, I still don't think there are any Excuses whatsoever for the .25 million Sikh Men, Women and Children, the central government of India raped, tortured or murdered in the 80s and 90s even if that was with the help of the Gaddars/traitors you point up above. There is no excuse for that and we will keep on asking for justice for that, Khalistan or no Khalistan. The Sikhs who picked up arms in the 80s and 90s to try and save the Sikh people from being ethnically cleansed, or the Sikh Genocide from taking place, were totally justified as it has now been proven without doubt that it was definitely the self defence of people against the central government in India, and traitors like KPS Gill, Beant Singh, and Gen. Kuldeep Singh Brar, rather than an armed struggle for a separate state. I think we should realise that it was an armed course of self defence and not a struggle for Khalistan, it was just for survival. We all know that in addition to the traitors Gill, Beant and KS Brar there was the Indian Authorities, and their black cats and third agency who were dressed up as Sikhs killing Sikhs and Hindus.

There is no doubt that the Indian Government started this from 1947 as there are countless examples on them back tracking on all the agreements they made with Sikhs up to 1947. There is no doubt the central government of India has been attacking Sikhs on a Religious, ethnic, cultural, economic and linguistic grounds since 1947. Sikhs have not had the same rights as Hindus have had, and get, in Punjab since 1947! "Started" is the wrong word, the phrase "India has carried out a consistent attack on Sikhs on Religious, ethnic, cultural, economic and linguistic grounds since 1947" would be an accurate statement.

Finally, if you feel like answering my questions A and questions B above please do, it would be nice to have a number from you as to how many Sikhs you think were killed by the Indian Government, the Gaddars they employed, their Army, Police, Black Cats and Third Agency? Just a number would be nice to see what wave length you are on!

Amazing Topic! I've done that am 17 currently and I've cut my hair all my life. Growing my hair now and I tie into a joora then tie a Dastaar I love it! Makes me feel proud of Sikhi even more by wearing the Dastaar and remembering Shaheeds.

I wish I done it earlier !! Like when I was just 17 years old like you. If you don't mind me saying, that amazing feeling you are having will only grow the more your adhere to nitnem and keep Sikhi Sangat. When you strive to be a good ambassador for Sikhs to honour your Dastaar/turban, that is when you really start to become successful in all areas of life! Sikhi is an amazing way of life, it benefits both the Sikh, and those around the Sikh - Sarbat da bhala !!

From the day I was born my hair has always been cut. It's only in much later life I kept my Kesh (hair). All through my life I felt like I was just living, and didn't know who I was.

Since keeping my hair I feel I have found myself! Since keeping my hair I have gained loads of time, as shallow or racist people don't talk to me, unless it's necessary. That's saved me loads of very valuable time!! Life is too short to talk to people who you then find out are racist and only talk to you because, "you're not like the rest of them, you're like one of us".

Since keeping my hair genuine good people of all religions and races talk to me more (and I have gained sooo much from that !!!).

I don't fit in with the shallow racist but now fit in with great people from all walks of life and religions - BRILLIANT!

Thank you Guru Ji for giving me this higher level of life - I beg at your door for more !!!

Keeping Kesh does not make you a good or bad person, but it does make you a better Sikh. It just depends what you want.. to stand out amongst thousands, and attract the best of people from all walks of life, or to get 'lost' with those wanting to blend in??

West London Singh seems to be relying on facts and figures (fact and truth), hard to deny what he points out!

Never minde Moderate SIkhs, even moderate non-Sikhs from the west seem to agree with West London Singh !!

Please see the extract below written by White Westerners!

[indent]The scenario for a disappearance case is familiar. Plain-clothed police officers or members of the paramilitary forces stop a man in the street (disappearance victims are almost always young men who are suspected of being members or having support for one of India's many armed militant groups), or they may pick him up from his place of work or his home. Often the abduction is done at night, but the disregard for the law and the lack of political will to eradicate these practices means the security forces are equally protected if the abduction takes place in broad daylight. ... Many cases of disappearances result in death, disfigured bodies found in canals, by railway tracks and roadsides are testimony to the cover-up of state murder that is so much a part of everyday life in some parts of India. If suspicion of the killing is successfully laid at the feet of the police, it is often denied or invalidated by one of two improbable excuses; that whilst trying to escape he was shot or that he died in an encounter. (Khalsa Human Rights, "'Disappearances' in Punjab".)[/indent]

According to Joyce Pettigrew, "many young people killed have not been engaged in armed combat. They have been ordinary boys who have disappeared on an errand for their parents, visiting relatives, or while working in their fields, or who have been picked up from their own or their in-laws' home. ... Disappearances occurred primarily in the under-thirty age group. Some villages had lost more than forty young men. Sursinghwala in Amritsar district had lost seventy young men. Buttar Kalan, in Gurdaspur district, lost twenty. Each village has not kept a separate account of its losses. Erring on the conservative side ... it is highly probable that most villages in the Amritsar district would have lost on average ten young men." (Pettigrew, "Parents and Their Children in Situations of Terror: Disappearances and Special Police Activity in Punjab," in Jeffrey A. Sluka, ed., Death Squad: The Anthropology of State Terror [university of Pennsylvania Press, 2000], p. 211.)

Patricia Gossman cites the comments of an Indian police officer who claimed that when armed conflict broke out between Sikh militants and Indian security forces in the early 1980s, "a profile was developed of who was considered to be antigovernment and pro-Khalistan. Based on that profile, young Sikh men between the ages of 18 and 40, who have long beards and wear turbans, are considered to be pro-Khalistan. Whenever the police receive a report from an informant or any other individual that Sikh militants have visited the home of a Sikh family, the police are dispatched to raid the home of that family. Pursuant to that raid, any Sikh male who fits the profile described above is arrested." (Gossman, "India's Secret Armies," in in Bruce B. Campbell and Arthur D. Brenner, Death Squads in Global Perspective: Murder with Deniability [st. Martin's Press, 2000], pp. 266-67.)

The failure to turn up a sufficient quantity of young men for persecution and execution sometimes leads to the detention of female relatives. Though they are rarely killed, rape is common. "When mothers and sisters have been held in custody by the police, their ultimate fate unknown, not all fathers and brothers have been able to cope with the threat of what might happen to them and to remain underground to fight. As one old lady from Sabrawan village, Amritsar district, told me, referring to the many abductions of young girls by the police, 'In every village and each house there is sadness.' Hence, to protect their sisters or indeed some other family member, some young militants and their sympathizers have compromised and become informers." (Pettigrew, "Parents and Their Children," pp. 211, 219.)

Let me make this clear- Ek0sikh didn't say this. but this is the general opinion these days except few hardliners who reiterate demand for khalistan.

many more to come......

Ek0sikh, you say that this is a general opinion where as these are facts and figures I have read from many educated people, so yes they are my opinion. I don't suppose I can ask you how many Sikh Men, Women and Children you think we were raped, totured, disappeared and killed by the indian authorities in the 80s and 90s. I think, after discoveries by Jaswant Singh Khalra which was just for one area in a short space of time, it's close to .25 million. And I think that those Sikhs were raped, tortured, disappeared by the Indain Authorities, or the Indian Authorities Black cats and third agency dressed up a Sikhs. A Khalistani of any hue would not kill Sikhs!

So are you prepared to give your 'opinion' or not ?? i.e are you prepared to say, in your opinion, from what you have read, how many Sikhs you think were raped, tortured, disappeared and murdered by the Indain Authorities, including the Indian Authorities' Black cats and third agency dressed up a Sikhs? I just want a number from you nothing more, so, for example, you could believe 200 Hindus were killed by Sikhs, 400 Hindus were killed by the Indian Authorities, and 2000 Siksh were killed by Sikhs, and 250,000 Sikhs were killed by the indian Authorities, and their Police, Army, Black Cats, and third agency. Question A - Just give the number of Sikhs you believe were killed by the Indian Authorities!

Remember one thing, Sikhs we being killed by the Indian Authorities first i.e. 1978 to 1984 so Question B- How long did you expect the Sikhs not to fight back for? How long?

Question A - Just need a number of Sikhs, you think, were killed by Indian Authorities in the 80s & 90s?

Question B - Just need the number of years, you think, the Sikhs should not have fought back?

And yet today, Khalistan in its present Panjab would be bigger than almost 50 countries around the world. Out of about 184 countries, you looking at 35% of them being smaller, and fucntioning quite well i may add.

Chatanga, I know that Khalsitan is going to be bigger than some countries. However, I never knew that it's going to be the 51st biggest country out of 185 world wide. It's really good when you hear it expressed the way you have expressed it !

Is this true? Has anybody heard of any Nagar Kirtans planned for today or the weekend in Punjab?

If so, are the number of Nagar Kirtans and Sikhs attending the same as last year? Or are there only a handful of Nagar Kirtans with only a minimul amount of Sikhs attending (who will be outnumbered by Indian Army and Police surrounding them) ??

It would be really good if we could monitor this and report any feedback.

thousands of innocents massacred!!!!!

thousands of disappearances in Punjab state!!!

fear of police or "fake" khalistanis knocking on their doors in the middle of the night leading to a full fledged encounter.

will lead to blood shed or those residing in punjab. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO PEOPLE WHO SHOUT FROM ABROAD!

Ek0sikh is saying, if some Sikhs ask for Khalistan rather than live as slaves under the Brahmin/central government controlled Police and Army in the Punjab, the central govt brahmins are black mailing us even today, in that, Ek0Sikh is saying that they will rape and kill innocent Sikh Girls, Sikh Boys, Sikh Women and Murder Sikh Men, AGAIN!. Like the rest of us EkOsikh admits that india raped and murdered Sikh Children, Women and Men (.25 million) back in the 80s and 90s because they wanted the Sikhs to remain as their slaves. Ekosikh is just saying that the indian/Brahmin government are still rappist and murderers in waiting and that we should be very careful and get much more organised before we try and fight our way out of this exploitation and slavery as otherwise he fully believes that the indian govt/brahmins will kill even more innocent Sikhs!

Must have been a great show then. Seeing as the highlight of the show was the music at the end.

WLS, Considering it was a non Sikh Channel it was a great show (let's hope it continues). Yes the music was at the end, it wrapped things up nicely!

It's definitely worth a watch on i-player (to see what was said about the Sikhs to the British Viewers).

It is an inappropriate music video. No Singh drives a mercedes SLK -its such a handbag motor !

I was just happy that they picked an immortal Productions track. Immortal Porductions have done a great seva in bringing many of the lame Sikhs back into Sikhi

theres an error there mate

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

Rebel Singh Ji,

Sorry about the error and a million thanks for spotting it, I have corrected my orginal post. Please can you edit your post picking up my error as we don't want some Sikh child getting the wrong message from my error!

Thanks again!