ThunderousDominator

12 hours ago, mahandulai said:

if someone really knew better, they wouldn't do it.

the people your thinking of, who doubly do things with evil; don't exist.

wrong again kid

11 hours ago, mahandulai said:

but I am here to say I do.

Yeah becauese your a retard.

To all the other posters no need to entertain this cowpiss drinking fool hes clearly a troll who thinks hes clever look at all his posts there all stupid one liners that barely make sense and have zero substance.In his head he thinks hes being clever and screwing with people who are here to have real discussion but in reality hes just a loser with no life think about how pathetic and miserable your life must be if you have to resort to being a internet troll to get your kicks. Just continue on with your discussions and just ignore this poor kid no need to respond to him with more than one line.

11 hours ago, mahandulai said:

look this isn't the time for social theory,

but this man trump, is out there and honest, he tells all as is, when he is facing slander from millions, like u

Its no suprise you like trump all the cow piss drinking RSS/ShivSena types love him.

On 10/30/2018 at 10:44 AM, mahandulai said:

He meditates like Sikhs, and he is a religious man

I dont mean to offend this is a serious question are you mentally retarded by any chance?

title should be changed to "former" not "ex"

2 hours ago, TejS said:

How is this new? Isn’t it always our own that cause us the most pain? 

the dogreys wernt our own

I got a few questions and am interested in the opinons of ppl more knowledgable than me in these subjects.Please note that im not doubting sikhi in any way as sikhi to me is by far the most logical and sensible religion(by leaps and bounds actually) but these are concepts that I've never really quite got my head around.

1.How did god create himself I dont grasp the concept of "Saibhang" how is it that god was always here.Athiests make no sense when they say the universe was created out of nothing randomly but who created god or as i said before how did god create himself?

2.If the purpose of this game is to merge back with god and thats what god wants us to do than why did he seperate us from him in the first place and throw us into this cruel and long game of millions of lives and deaths.Why are we even playing this game in the first place?

and lastly this question really isnt as important as the first 2 but gurbani says that even some minerals and crystals have souls(correct me if im wrong) than if thats the case do celestial bodies like the moon the sun and the earth also have souls?

can mods please check this singh1606 guys ip address pretty sure hes been posting here before under different usernames

3 hours ago, Siddhartha said:

 

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Now when I wrote that half of the congregation were hindus with their head covered and bowed, you answered that maybe they should pick up some books and educate themselves. So if they are educated about the issues and have comtempt for Sikhs, Sikhism, Gurus and their teachings, what do you suppose they are doing there in the gurudwara?

First of all were just assuming they were hindus how do you know they wern't just moneh sikhs? Secondly suppose they were all hindus when did I say that hindus visiting a gurudwara had contempt for sikhi? I specifically said hindus and hindu leaders who had malicious intent for sikhi. Now this is what you said  "Majority of sangat in gurudwara were Hindus with their head covered n bowed in reverence, most of an age incapable of comprehending the hatred let alone the reason behind it." THATS why I said they should go pick up some books maybe that would help them understand the hatred(as u put it) a bit better NOT simply because they were hindus at a gurudwara. In the future please dont twist my words its not gonna help us see eye to eye any better.

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When I wrote History is documented, I meant that if any child goes on the internet and search for 1984 riots, he/she will come across lot of conflicting information. Same goes with the books. For the sake of this argument, let's take sides. Being a hindu I can quote you books written by hindus, civilians, military personnel n analysts & Caucasians, information on websites and blogs that document The atrocities hindus endured at the hands of Sikhs. Being a Sikh, I'm sure you can bombard me with links and information depicting the atrocities inflicted by hindus on Sikhs. That's why I wrote history is documented and suffers the bane of opinions & biases. Now if you yourself witnessed the horrors of 1984, who in their sanity can question the authenticity of the experience and its aftermath.Now our kids access these conflicting sources of information and approach their parents. How you handle that query and how you answer that inquisitiveness dictates whether your kid would hate mine just because they are of different beliefs. And this is why I'm here. I don't want that ti happen.

Now here is big issue im having with all your posts which is HUGE false equivalency  during the period from 84-95 tens of thousands of sikhs were killed by the indian government,hindu mobs and the punjab police(under directions from hindus) how many hindus were killed during that period? 300 or 400 most likely even less(Note I'm not trying to downplay the deaths of innocent hindus any loss of innocent life is tragic just pointing out that the number of hindu lives lost was miniscule compared to the number of sikh lives lost) now this is were you'll bring out numbers from books written by hindus and information from hindu websites and hindu blogs with shamelessly over inflated numbers of hindu deaths at which point I'll cease responding to you because I'm not interested in playing he said she said with you I'm interested in FACTS. On one hand you have a majority quom of 966 million attempting genocide and persecuting a minority of 20million and yet that minority quom is the one spreading hatred simply when they point out the injustices they've suffered? Maybe it was the fact that Shaheeds Bhai Satwant Singh and Beant Singh were being honored in that Gurudwara is what got you upset maybe thats what you call spreading hatred. Well this may be a tough pill for you to swallow but until the earth is swallowed by the sun we will always honor our shaheeds and we will never forget there sacrifice.  

Isnt the fact that Indira Gandhi is remembered as hero by hindus all over India spreading hatred? Isnt the fact that the evil kutti has a international airport named after her spreading hatred? Isnt the fact the BJP supported RSS is spreading propaganda and trying to destroy the very fabric of sikhi in our own motherland of Punjab spreading hatred? Yet you have the audacity to come to a sikh forum and tell us sikhs are the ones with malicious intent and that were spreading hatred in our gurudwaras that is why I called you a snake.

 

Watch the whole video. Shaheed Bhai Jaswant Singh Ji was tortured and killed by the Punjab Police shortly after he made that speech. If you truly dont have venom in your heart you should also check out the works of Ram Naryan Kumar(hes a fellow hindu as I said I'm only against hindus who have malicious intent towards sikhs and sikhi). I also noticed that in your post you conveniently avoided answering my question about if you though KP Gill was a hero or not hmmm I wonder why.... Yet after all this you come to us and tell us were the ones spreading hatred honestly it makes me wanna puke. Maybe u think that Shaheed Bhai Jaswant Singh ji was spreading hatred in the above video also.

Now you will probably start spouting the usual bs of "times are now different what uses is bringing this all up now" and the answer to that is simple these aren't some events which happened 100 years ago were the perpetrators and victims are all dead THE MURDERERS OF OUR PEOPLE ARE STILL OUT THERE AND INSTEAD OF BRING THEM TO JUSTICE HINDUS WORSHIP THEM AS HEROS. I'm sorry but until you get the honesty to acknowledge that hindus have fu@ked sikhs over and are continuing to f us over to this day we will never see eye to eye.As for my kids hating your kids for there different beliefs no that will never happen though they might hate them because instead of helping us in our time of need there parents stood by and let our people be butchered not only that but because they swallowed government propaganda hook line and sinker. 

Siddartha you sound like a good person without a agenda(I may be completely wrong here but lets assume I'm not) but from the sound of it you want us to forget what happened in the recent past and turn a blind eye to whats happening to this day and just start singing kumbaya with you but if we do that the snakes within your community will ensure that sikhi goes the same way buddhism did in India 

1 hour ago, S1ngh said:

I understand your concern. However, we are different and we should refrain ourself from generalization. Not all fingers are equal. There are good and bad folks in every community. 

True.Fair enough

I dont know why you guys are just asuming this guy is genuine. There have been plent of hindus whove come to this forum (and countless more in real life)speaking kind words but after just the tiniest bit of prodding they reveal there true colors and the poisen they have in there hearts. For all we know this guy could be jaspindjy using a different ip address but than again maybe im just being a litle paranoid.

17 hours ago, Guest Saddened Hindu said:

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So it must be true. Your referring me as You and Your Community is quite hurtful.

Why is it hurtful? Do you not recognize sikhi as distinct and separate or do you consider it just a part of hinduism  

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 I haven't taught you or other Sikhs anything and have taken no actions against you or other Sikhs.

I never said you as an individual did anything I was specifically talking about your people and your leaders(i.e hindus who have malicious intent toward sikhs and skhi)

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But when I go to a gurudwara and have to articulate to my 6 year old girl's query that whether Sikhs hate us or not, I really wonder what does the institution stand for.

Pretty specific question for a 6 year old to ask your child is smart for 6 year old

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My 6 year old girl sitting in a sangat with her father, both our heads covered in reverence, listens to an 8 year old boy read a speech saying ,"Aj hinduan di pardhanmantri nu maar ke shahidi prapt kiti.....,", "hinduan ne...", "hinduan di...", "hinduan nu..."etc and then asks me why are we here dad when they hate us, it saddens me.

Another good question so why are you there if you think all those people hate you?

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Is this the history lesson that we find is imperative to teach so our progeny doesn't have any doubts about our identity? Majority of sangat in gurudwara were Hindus with their head covered n bowed in reverence, most of an age incapable of comprehending the hatred let alone the reason behind it.

Well maybe they should go do some research and pick up a few books the "reason behind it" would than become clear or should I say reasons as there are many.

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 History is documented. This in itself means that it has suffered inflictions of bias, inaccuracies, opinions and emotions. 

In this case history is remembered 84 and the bloody decade that followed was not that long ago

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So to answer my girl's question I approached that 8 year old lad, congratulated him for his eloquent delivery in Punjabi despite the accent, and asked him, in front of his parents, whether he knew the names of the sons Guruji sacrificed. He drew a blank. Then I asked my girl and she rattled Sahizades' names. So I looked the boy's father in the eye and said that this is what he needs to remember. 

Once again you have a smart child good for you and good for her

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And I told my girl that Sikhs don't hate us.

No we dont its the other way around

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And I told myself that it's not an institution that I'll never visit but it's a bare building propagating hatred that I'll never set my foot in. I am sure you would answer with so whats. To approach any opposing viewpoint with nonchalance & disdain and to dismiss it with 'I dont care' is disrespectful. I'm sure my so called friends feel exactly like you do. I hope and I'll even hazard that I know that they don't mean any individual disrespect towards me and my family. But your answers/comments and tone have definitely shed a light why they are or have become so.

Oh please spare me the bs I've heard this bullsh!t a million times before.So your offended by the fact that we dont forget our history and still remember what your people did to us but your not offended by the fact that the hindu politicians who led hindu mobs to murder and rape our innocents are still walking around free to this day forget being punished they were given high level positions and top level protection from the central government.Your not offended by the fact that Gen Brar is seen as a hero by hindus everywhere for desecrating our holiest shrine. Your not offended by the fact that psychopathic mass murderer and rapist kp gill was seen as a hero by hindus everywhere for killing and raping our innocents(not saying gill and brar were hindus just pointing out that they are seen as hereos by hindus) Your not offended that our shaheeds who sacrificed everything for us are falsly labeled as terrorists by your people. Dont lie you probably thought of gen brar and kp gill as hereos yourself.People like you are the worst type of snakes you hide the venom in your heart behind kind words.

Whatever weve been "taught" has been by your people and leaders and if you wanna be saddened by anything it should be by the actions of your community towards us. As for your so called friends who talk sh!t about you behind your back well they are probably not your real friends than. Sorry if i sounded blunt.

On 8/21/2017 at 11:56 AM, chatanga said:

@Only five 

wow now it all makes sense

On 5/29/2017 at 7:20 AM, genie said:

He had a clever way about him. He presented himself as a reasonable decent cheeky chappy lovable rogue man to the Indian media and masses that is why they called him "super cop". He knew exactly how the media worked and how to present himself as the was trained and coached by the anti-sikh indian journalists and media specialists themselves. He was also known for his love of the drink, sleeping with various high profile indian women of the time and no care for the rule of law.

Although he was careful not to say anything too controversial in his interviews and articles he did give away vital clues about how he deliberately let the punjab police and aligned criminal pro-india paramilitary black cat groups to commit brutalities on innocent Sikh civilians and other punjabi's so that punjab would turn against the Sikh separatists and run and suckle the blossom of comfort of their real indian government killer and oppressor thinking they are its protector when in fact it was the indian government itself that was running murderous covert fake sikh separatist pro-india terrorist gangs (alam sena, virk sena, etc) killing Sikhs and non-sikh punjabis alike.

In one of his videoed interviews he said he let the army present the humanitarian side to the villages/towns they raided and the punjab police was left to do the ruthless unpleasant work (tortures, rapes of women, wholesale murders of Sikh youths and their families).

When extrajudicial killing / mass murder supporting Indians say he brought peace to punjab, that's a laughable and audacious statement because anyone can bring peace to war turn region if they blanket kill all people who resist their tyranny regardless if they innocent or not. It is not bringing peace it is bringing terror state funded terrorism at that. In any civilized democratic modern state the rule of law is paramount, the state must not engage in acts where they take the law into their own hands and they operate outside the rule of law. And that is exactly what the Indian state did under KPS Gill amoung others from 1980s/90s.

He was pure evil 

7 hours ago, genie said:

 

India isn't that much of a lawless place where police and demolition team turns up announced on the day of the demolition there would have been months if not years of notice given to the committee of what the legal ruling is.

Are u f'ing kidding me bro.This post of yours makes it seem like youve never been to hindustan before.

1 minute ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Harmandir? Lol 

What a ridiculous statement, if guru nanak dev ji traveled to all religious sites and respected them all even kaaba sharif then why wouldn't a amritdhari have a problem going to a mandir? No one is asking them to do Pooja to a moorti,? 

Would amritdharis also refuse to go to a church? 

Harmandir sahib is a gurudwara not a mandir I know your not this stupid stop playing with words. Idol worship is against sikhi no ifs ands or buts about it I know you know this too why else would u go to a mandir if u wernt gna practise idol worship? If a hindu freind invites a sikhi to mandir for a function or event than aslong as he doesnt worship a rock I have no problem with it if he shows up just to show his face out of respect for the invite however worshiping any idol is completey against sikhi. 

17 hours ago, Preeet said:

Agreed. Even a lot of Amritdharis don``t even matha tek when they go to the mandir. & why is there no like button for me to click regarding your posts?? 

Amritdharis dont go to mandirs. As for the thread I think making a blanket statement like that is pretty stupid and Guru Gobind Singh Ji never said that ALL muslims should never be trusted. Like it or not there are some muslims who are great human beings ofcourse there also are alot of bad ones(perhaps even out of porportion to other quams except hindus) and we should never forget that but that doesnt mean we become obsessed with them.

I've heard that theres a prophecy saying that Guru Nanak Devji will manifest 82 times in Kalyug 10 times as a guru and 72 as a brahamgiani. Is this prophecy true if it is does anybody have names 72 manifestations and speaking of manifestations what does that word mean exactly? does it mean they are one and the same?

Niddar is a clear bs artist and from what I've read and seen the shastar vidya he teaches seems to be just a combination of different already existing martial arts from around the world but I wonder about the fighting style and techniques of sikhs during the gurus times. Surely it cant be gatka the ways its practised nowadays with all the useless twirling around and showing your back to your opponent 13mirch do you have any info on how sikhs fought during the gurus time what were there style and techniques like what were the training camps like and how were they trained. Fascinating stuff.

17 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think its more complicated than that. Those krauts (Germans) also did horrendous genocides as well as Anglos and the Spanish, but they never thought taking public 5hites was acceptable.

Also, it's sort of weird how India would go mental over say someone kissing in a film, turning bashful to the extreme, but someone taking a 'Brad Pit' in front of you on the street totally unfazes them???? What the heck?? 

True Dat I guess it could be combination of extreme poverty and extreme stupidity of the populace.