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Gurbani Satkaar & Beadbi Awareness smagam this Saturday @ Willenhall Gurdwara Sahib. Please attend

Yeh, Baba Baljit Singh Dadu Valeh will be at the smagam amongst many other gursikhs.

Will be attending the Gurbani Satkaar Smagam at Willenhal on Saturday 18th September.

If you want to help with any seva throughout the smagam, please contact the above number

Please check the below articles regarding the gross beadbi of satguru granth sahib jee maharaj jees saroop by lachman chela raam. The articles are recent and some that date back a few years also. Article august 2010 http://www.panthic.org/articles/5289 April 2010 - also showing pictures, video of dancing in guru jees prescence - NIJ THAO mandir http://news.panthic.org/articles/5239 March 2010 - Beadbi at Chela Rams Mandir http://news.panthic.org/articles/5234 September 2006 http://news.panthic.org/articles/2752 Please look through all the articles, this gives a greater insight into the actual situation His website http://www.prantik.com/chellarampublications/lachmanchellaram.htm Chela Rams Mandirs/institutions Nij Thanw 11/11, Pusa Road New Delhi - 110005 Ph. 5827404 Niraguna Cottage 11/26, East Patel Nagar New Delhi - 110008 Tel :5710967, 5752051 Delhi Circle Head Quaters, Nij Thanw 11/11, Pusa Road, New Delhi -110005 Tel : 5781643 Mumbai Circle Nij Thanw, 9th Road, T.P.S -III, Behind Hotel Oriental Palace, Khar, Mumbai - 400052 Tel : 6407361, 9402653 Pune Circle Nij Thanw, 381, Bhawan Peth, Near Old Motor Stand Pune -411042 Tel : 651415 Recent Events Concerning the beadbi CLASH AT GURU DWARA Moti Bagh, with Sarna at Delhi. Today I, along with some Sikh friends went to Gurudwara Moti Bagh, Delhi to celebrate Gurupurab. I had some pumphlets with me to distribute in congregation there. I just wanted to aware the sangat that Sarna himself is involved with Laxman Chelaram. I had the proves. Some Sikh youths came to help me and started distributing. Within no time goons of Sarna came and asked who was disributiung, Sikh youths signalled towards me. Those goons hold me from my arms and thrashed to the office of chairman. When I reached at his office, they pushed me inside. I found 3 more Sikhs were held illegally and were hold by goons of Sarna. Just by the time I was pushed in, Sarna too entered in the room and signaled his goons and said 'MAARO' I protested to it and said tell me the reason. He shouted and asked me the reason to distribute pamphelets. I replied to aware the sangat of your involvement with Chelaram. At this he got irritated and he talked something to his goon. At once I was pushed and abused than dragged to his table, someone punched me thrice at my back. Sarna spoke to me to be careful in future or that I'll be taught a lesson. When I got straitened, I was amused to see that a goon of him attacked on the head of the Sikh with his sword, who was pushed towards wall. He just turned downwards and saved himself. The picture of Guru Gobind Singh ji was hit and fell though was not allowed to fall on ground by someone present there. I could not see his face. I was already in pain but regained my half consiousness and saw the other Sikh who was caught hold by three goons of Sarna was Kaptaan Singh. He is tough guy but at that time, he was overpowered by goons. When he saw the attempt on his life, he resisted and released himself from the grip of those goons. Now these goons and Sarna himself clashed with a young boy(Name not known) but Sarna was abusing that youth. That youth too responded him in same manner. He was so annoyed that he would have hit Sarna as he was abused as mother-f*****. He was immediately overpowered by his goons. He was caught hold badly. A sikh ahd taken him in his grip from behind and others had hold him from his arms so he could not hit. Had he been released, Sarna would have seen the darkest day of his life. When all this scuffle was going on inside his office, Sangat started gathering outside and started to protest against Sarna. At this Sarna got nervous, he signaled his goons to free us and so we were released. When we came out of his office, another goon tried to hit a chair on Kaptaan Singh but a youth from sangat pushed that attacker, he lost his balance and fell down so Kaptaan singh was again saved by Guru ji himself. Then ladies present there got furious, they pushed open the door of office and cursed Sarna as BETTER YOU DIE EARLY. YOU HIT THE SANGAT. Someone had given a call to police, Police was already deployed outside Gurudwara which entered inside the premises, controlled the public by there appearance. Some Sikhs were whisked away but on protest of Sangat, they were released. I called the Lieutinent-Governor of Delhi to seek his help and his intervention but I was told that he was not in Delhi. Then through some top source, I was connected to the DCP of Delhi, who assured me full help. I was given assurance and that an ACP of police shall visit me. Though they arrived late as they were busy somewhere but I had a long discussion with him and another Inspector of Delhi Police. Now we were taken to same office where we were dragged early and provided seats to handle the issue. I narrated the mishappening with me, the threat to me by Sarna as to face dire consequences and that it could be repeated in future and we may not be labeled as hooligans whereas we are attacked and forced to complain you. On his direction, I went to the nearest Police station at Dhaula kuan and lodged the first information reportr. Whether any action is taken against Sarna and his goons or Delhi Police show it's partiality with Sarna, that only time will tell. We Sikhs have become helpless in Delhi. He is misusing the money of Gurudwara by keeping the goons like Jagirdar at the expenses of Sikh sangat and threatens, thrashes and humiliates the GurSikhs who ask any question from him about his mal-administration and misusing of Gurudwara funds or his involvement in anti Sikh activities. I appeal to all Sikhs of the world to stand beside me and give me their support so that he may be forced to behave properly and answerable to Sikh sangat. He should terminate the services of his goons and should answer the question raised in Sangat, not in his office. Please stop funding DSGMC and never allow him to speak in any congregation until he does not reply the allegations. The allegations are; • What action taken against the editor of Aastha magazine which published derogatory remarks against Guru Gobind Singh ji? • What action was taken on recovery of sarups of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji from Nij Thaon mandir of Laxman Chelaram in March 2010? Why did you return the sarups to temple again? Are you not aware of Sikh code of conduct that no Parkash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib can be done where the idols are worshipped and other anti-Sikh activities or festivals are held? • On 11th August 10, the sarups of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji were recovered from the basement of Laxman Chelaram, floating in muddy-sewerage water. Neither you visited nor you sent any of your authorized person to survey the damage or to supervise the task being done by Sikhs from all part of Delhi despite heavy rains? Read full story at http://www.proudkhal...h-sahib-saroop/ • You replied that you were away but why did you not send any of senior member of DSGMC? Was it not your responsibility? What for you are the head of DSGMC and represent Sikhs of Delhi? • Next day, when you visited the Dera Baba Karam Singh ji, you surveyed the damage and visited each and every room where the saups were placed. While addressing the sangat you said," That you assured of a stern action against Chelaram or those responsible for this dis-respect" At this I intervened and asked you if you are giving assurance truthfully? You replied"Yes". At this I interrupted and addressed the sangat without loudspeaker that "Sarna ji, when sarups of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji were recovered from Sindhi temple of Laxman Chelaram, had you taken any action that day, we Sikhs would have not seen this day in disgust and sorrow." By hearing my these words you left the stage and walked out of Gurudwara. You were tried to stop by Sikh sangat but no, you did not stop. Then sangat got irritated and tried to pull you out of your car but your driver was smart, he took you away but Sikhs (in their frustration) attacked on your car and kicked. You have a hair of pig in your eye so you did not stop and ran away like cowards. Please read full story at http://traitoroussikh.blogspot.com/'>http://traitoroussikh.blogspot.com/ • The same questions were asked by a Sikh Jasbir Singh at Shalimar Bagh Gurudwara from you on 22nd August but your goons stopped him. At this he published 10,000 posters of full incident and distributed. Are you not ashamed of you? • You have converted the newly built rooms into a Hotel which were constructed by the Sikh sangat at their cost and land of Gurudwara, for the stay of Sikh sangat visiting from all parts of world. How dare you to charge Rs. 750/- per night from the Sikh visitors? Is it a luxurious hotel or a place for the comfort of Sikh pilgrims? Have you ever noticed the charges at Mata Kaulan niwas and other places at Darbar Sahib, Amritsar? • You did not allow the Akhand path in the sweet memory of the Sikhs martyred in 1984 aftermath of assassination of Indira Gandhi at Gurudwara Bala Sahib in November 2009. Why? Kuldeep Singh Bhogal lodged a complaint at Akal Takhat in this regard. • You have sold the parking built by kar sewa at Gurudwra Bangla sahib in 2005 to NDMC. The Sikh pilgrims are liable to enjoy this free car pareking uptil 2030 only. Afterwards the NDMC shall charge parking fee from the visitors to Gurudwara and the parking shall be taken under control of NDMC/Delhi givt. Thus you have sold this parking and have made an agreement to handover it in 2030 to Delhi govt, means the Delhi govt shall make its entry in Gurudwara premises and the day is not far when they will intervene in other religious matters too. Why did you did it and sold this parking? You are not going to suffer but our next generation shall pay for your historical mistake. You have plyed a role of JaiChand in Sikh history by giving entrance to Delhi govt in Sikh matters. Shame on you. • Now you are going to build another parking at Gurudwara Rakabganj, Space is less and story is longer so please read athttp://groups.google...wara-Rakabganj. • How do you charge for the marriage of a girl in the Gurudwara whereas you are supposed to give some gift to the bride and groom, to promote Sikhi? The money offered by the gathering of both side could be more than that you demand or expect. It must be free of cost. • The recent controversy of Phoolka ji is fresh in the minds of Sikh sangat. You were defamed throughout the world but you never come forward to help the victims of 1984. You have oimposed a ban on all preachers at gurudwara Bangla sahib (Due to direct telecast) to not to refer 1984. No preacher ever talks of 1984 or about the role of Congress govt, or the preptrators of Sikh genocide. Why? Are you afraid of your bosses in north block? • You announced gold plating inside Gurudwara Bangla Sahib without bothering the views of Sikh scholars, learned persons and other religious persons. Please read full report at http://groups.google...-dividing-sikhs There are many more complaints the Sikhs of Delhi would be having with you but they are feared as you have a force of goons. They attack on every that person who dares to ask you any question in relation to any of your foul play. Sarna ji, you shall have to answer these questions. Don't think that you will be escaped so easily, even if you shall not be the president, sangat has a right to ask you the answers to these questions. Now it is up to you whether you like to answer or not. Ajmer Singh Randhawa. 0091-9811857449. http://traitoroussikh.blogspot.com Can we leave this in the main section please, and is it possible for the sikhsangat banner to be updated high lighting the current huge beadbi happening in delhi. Thank you

Gurbani Satkar & Beadbi Awareness Smagam The Beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib Ji CONTINUES from the times of Massa Rangar - to the narkhdarees of 1978 & NOW to the current day DEVIL of DELHI - Lachman Chela Ram Over 2,500 Guru Granth Sahib Jee Saroops & countless Gurbani Pothia have been recently uncovered in a mud-filled basement store in Delhi on 11th August. To raise awareness of this huge beadbi an akhand paat sahib has been arranged Aambh- 6pm Thursday 16th September Bhog- 5.30pm Saturday 18th September Guru Nanak Parkash Gurdwara Sahib 65-67 Walsall Road Willenhall, WV13 2RD Kirtan: Sukhjinder Singh and Sukhwindwer Singh Katha: Giani Harbans Singh Ji Paramhans Damdami Taksal Giani Gurjinder Singh Ji Damdami Taksal & an English speaker Kaveshari: Jagowale Jatha A video of the beadbi will be shown at the smagam We need to make a stance against those who disrespect our Guru For further information contact 07960187671

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Fateh Please check the below articles regarding the gross beadbi of satguru granth sahib jee maharaj jees saroop by lachman chela raam. The articles are recent and some that date back a few years also. Article august 2010 http://www.panthic.org/articles/5289 April 2010 - also showing pictures, video of dancing in guru jees prescence - NIJ THAO mandir http://news.panthic.org/articles/5239 March 2010 - Beadbi at Chela Rams Mandir http://news.panthic.org/articles/5234 September 2006 http://news.panthic.org/articles/2752 Please look through all the articles, this gives a greater insight into the actual situation Nij Thanw 11/11, Pusa Road New Delhi - 110005 Ph. 5827404 Niraguna Cottage 11/26, East Patel Nagar New Delhi - 110008 Tel :5710967, 5752051 Delhi Circle Head Quaters, Nij Thanw 11/11, Pusa Road, New Delhi -110005 Tel : 5781643 Mumbai Circle Nij Thanw, 9th Road, T.P.S -III, Behind Hotel Oriental Palace, Khar, Mumbai - 400052 Tel : 6407361, 9402653 Pune Circle Nij Thanw, 381, Bhawan Peth, Near Old Motor Stand Pune -411042 Tel : 651415 Chela Rams own website http://www.prantik.com/chellarampublications/lachmanchellaram.htm Lachman Chela Ram doing Kirtan

Fateh Please check the below articles regarding the gross beadbi of satguru granth sahib jee maharaj jees saroop by lachman chela raam. The articles are recent and some that date back a few years also. Article august 2010 http://www.panthic.org/articles/5289 April 2010 - also showing pictures, video of dancing in guru jees prescence - NIJ THAO mandir http://news.panthic.org/articles/5239 March 2010 - Beadbi at Chela Rams Mandir http://news.panthic.org/articles/5234 September 2006 http://news.panthic.org/articles/2752

Article from march 2010 - http://news.panthic.org/articles/5234 New Delhi (KP) – Controversy erupted at a Sindhi mandir operated by Lachman Chela Ram during the annual “Ram Navami” (birth celebration) when the organizers decided to do parkash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji alongside with Hindu idols and non-Sikh books in the same precincts. Various Sikh organizations, including Shahbaaz Khalsa, discovered five saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji along with a copy of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and immeditaly removed these sacred Sikh Granths from the Sindhi temple premises and brought them over to Gurdwara Sri Bangla Sahib and another local Gurdwara Sahib in Delhi for Sukh-aasan. Chela Ram and the Sindhi mandir has requested their return, but the Sikh Sangat has refused to do so due to the ongoning disrespect by these individuals. To resolve this conflict, a high level meeting of the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee with Lachman Chela Ram and representatives of various Sikh organizations was held. The Sikhs insisted that idols and books such as the Gita, or Nirgun Granth can not be put in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, nor can any Hindu rituals be performed in Guru Sahib’s presence. Lachman Chela Ram declined to agree to those restrictions. The Sikh Rahit Maryada forbids the installation of idols or non-Sikh scriptures in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Another articles - goes into depth http://news.panthic.org/articles/5239

Fateh Just a few questions What does chela raam do for a living Where is he based How many mandirs does he have links/control in india Does he have any mandirs outside of india e.g. UK, America, china, etc??? Has anything happened after the beadbi - any information? akaal takht sahib, sgpc, delhi gpc, sampardas etc? Your information would be greatfully appreciated.

any updstes? If some human being passed away there would have been more comments than those for 2500 saroops of our beloved guru

Sorry for my language... Are you guys a bunch of idiots? Huge amounts of beadbi which cannot even be said or thought about has just happened in india, all akaal takht jathedar etc wants to do is form a three member commitee, and thats all that will happen. Remember when the person spilt water and another person sat on guru jees manji sahib in darbar sahib - what did they do??? form a commitee and god knows what did/didnt happen If some gursikhs in uk have decided to hold a meeting in regards to the beadbi of satguru granth sahib jees saroop our eternal guru that gives us everything, then why is the so called sangat complaining? The dharam yudh morcha was in regards to satkaar of guru sahib jees saroops also. I am just shocked on the pathetic responses by some of the members on this forum. Panth has spoken loud and clearly - sorry to say, but if this was puratan times the head of chela ram would have been brought to darbaar sahib in a matter of hours.

What an amasing video of Sant Giani Kartar Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindranvale - Everyone should definately watch. Totally amasing just to see mahapurkh in video form

** BHOG 2DAY - 5 PM **

It already happens - the boss stall. Have free literature, dvds etc and also shere punjab - lion hearts movement stall - do similar parchar at events

Arambh 2day - 5pm !!!!!!

If you want to help out with any seva then please contact the persons on the poster Guru Jee Role seva Jap Ji Sahib Role Seva Langar Seva Etc etc

BUMP - Attending the Barsi is Sant Gurbachan Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindranvales GRANDSON - Sant Giani Avtaar Singh Jee Badni Kalaa Valeh - Should be an amasing event. To help out please contact Buv Singh or the number on the poster

They were avtaars, i suppose we are rehat of kaam. Joker - if you dont know anything dont participate in the discussion. The people that you support are worms worth no respect, at least the avtaars were messengers, maybe they did mess up and called themselves god etc and people started to pray to them, but they surely had a lot lot more kamai then us

Its not an akj vs taksal thread veer jee, im replying back to comments left yesterday that made it into that. We shudnt make personal comments against singh calling them bheki, snatan or anything. If its about morals and principles then its another thing, as your replies and personal comments do not fall in line with tat khalsa.

Who do you support those who did the attack on darbar sahib (congress) or those who told them to and supported them (akalis) . . . or do you get on with things and dont get involved. - it was the akalis that killed bhai surinder singh jee sodhi remember.

If this is a continuation from the previous topic then this response is to R singh - Bhai Sahib Jeo, we should look at our own before pointing fingers at others. - Open Nindya at Cov meeting, Punjab Times - known to be close to AkJ constantly does Nindya of Sant Jee and Baba Jee, the youth more or less every year in the barsi thread engage in nindya. So before trying to say we have hatred towards bhai sahib jee, you should look at urselves first. No one has hatred towards bhai sahib jee. Just for your information it was the so called scholars and SGPC that changed Guru Granth Sahib Jees Mangals and printed saroops, before that it was the Teja Singh followers that tried to remove bhagat bani, raagmala and other compostions and went against Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jee. The damage that these individuals done is alot. Lets not dig up history as when dirt comes up we all engage in nindya.

Singh, Why dont you just leave it alone, you and i are both not mahaan gursikh nor are we scholars. What are you trying to achieve? - We all agree that Vishnu Avtaars are limited to kaal and Gurusahib Jee is beyond Kaal. Vishnus avtaars were created for a specific task at a specific time period. - They may have done good or bad, but are still avtars and respect should be given to them - but not worship

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