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4 hours ago, puzzled said:

Amritsar used have many underground tunnels before, they were built during the Sikh empire period. Amritsar also had a moat built around it with crocodiles and two massive walls around it with several gates, Amritsar was a proper fortified city, a fort in itself. Theres also a underground tunnel in Gobindgarh Qila believed to lead all the way to Lahore. Im guessing these tunnels are still there?  

 

Here's a view of the walled city of Amritsar, you can see the wall around it with some tall buildings behind it, and the moat   1828

 

 from another angle  done my a local Punjabi artist 1828

Its a shame Amritsar lost it fortified appearance, It looked like a proper Qila, The British destroyed much of it when they took over and the remaining was destroyed by the locals. 

Punjab had so many forts before Maharaja Ranjit Singh took over. The Sikh misls had created hundreds of forts big and small all over Punjab. The biggest of them was the one built by the Ramgarhia misl in Amritsar. But they were all dismantled or destroyed as Maharaja Ranjit Singh took their territories. This practice of destroying forts was called 'slighting' in which the forts of enemies were destroyed after their capture. This of course was done for strategic reasons to prevent those forts from being recaptured in future.

Who ever runs the No Conversion site is doing an excellent job. He has a channel on YouTube and he's on Facebook and Twitter exposing these fraud Christians.

These Christians are growing strong mainly in Majha region. Tarn Taran is still okay but the situation in Amritsar and Gurdaspur is pretty bad. The Christians have not been able to make a big break in Doaba yet even though the people there are not religious. In Malwa where Sikhism is the strongest the Christians have not had any success yet.  Generally people of Malwa have very strong faith in Sikhi.

The way these Christians spread their cult is very unethical. They trick their intended prey by using the same religious terminology as the religion they oppose. For Hindus they use words like:

Jesus they call him Prabhu Yasu and even Mary Ka Lala

Mary they call her Devi Mary 

Hymns are sung in the fashion of Hindu Bhajans in front of moortis of Jesus and Mary. Hindu dances like Bharat Natyam, Dandiya and even Christian Yoga.

They deceive Sikhs similarly by copying our terminology and concepts. They used the same tricks with Muslims in Malaysia. But now the government of Malaysia put a ban on them from using Islamic terms like Allah so the evangelical Missionaries won't be able to fool Muslims. Got to give credit to Muslims. They know how to protect themselves from these missionary vultures any way they can.

50 minutes ago, puzzled said:

why does "par nari" get translated as another mans wife?  i thought nari meant girl and par nari a girl that is not your wife?

 

Nij Nari means one's own Nari i.e. wife. Par Nari means someone else's Nari. But yes the paap is for fornicating with all women who are not ones own wife.

On 7/13/2020 at 8:28 AM, AkalkiFauj said:

Reed as much bani as you can. Especially Sri Sukhmani Sahib with Sri Japji Sahib.

Apparently, when it was my first birthday someone threw mungi di daal in-front of the door so my gran phoned up a baba and he told them to hit the daal with a shoe seven times (don’t ask me why) and pick it up (after doing a bit of paath like mool mantar). So she did that and threw the daal in the canal near by. I might have not explained the story as well as I could so bhul chuck maf.

A few years ago I once saw my neighbor taking his shoe and hitting it on the ground in front of his house. It looked like he was killing an insect but later upon asking him he told me that someone is doing a Tona on his family and he is hits his juti like this to finish the effects of the Tona. Looked funny though

43 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

They'll all listen to Punjabi music, play at their weddings everywhere. Also see them now with on their social media  'Pakistani Punjabi Jatt' looool.

Jealousy because Sikhs are the true heirs of Punjab, and kept Punjabi alive, whilst Hindus and Muslims done everything to get rid of Punjabi 

 Sikhs are indeed the true loyal sons of Punjab. Hindus and Muslims are ashamed to speak their mother tongue Punjabi. Hindus promote Hindi and Muslims likewise promote Urdu. Sikhs are the only ones who die for Punjab and preserve Punjabi language. That's why Prof Pooran Singh famously said:

'ਪੰਜਾਬ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ, ਪੰਜਾਬ ਜਿਉਂਦਾ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਂ ਤੇ' which means Punjab is neither Hindu nor Muslim. Punjab lives in the name of the Gurus.

7 hours ago, Harditsingh said:

gonna take the opposite side here and say the following; This is not comparable to the Jerusalem thing because the majority of citizens in Turkey support this and don't see it as wrong. The Mosque was first a church then became a mosque then museum and mosque again. In Jerusalem the situation is that one side of population is for it the other side is against and the area of dispute is still being used by both groups.

In Turkey there is no worshippers to use it as a church no one is being oppressed if its turned into a mosque. but in Jerusalem people will be oppresed and in india with the ram mandir ppl were oppressed 

Hagia Sophia is not just any building. It's the most iconic church in history. It's very fall to the Ottomans marked the end of the Byzantine empire and a symbolic defeat of Christianity to Islam. Even if there are barely any Christians left is Turkey doesn't matter. If there are no Sikhs left in Pakistan does that mean Nankana Sahib and Panja Sahib should be turned into a mosque if the majority muslims want it? What is wrong is wrong. That is why Christians all over the world are condemning this recent decision. And it is also worrisome for other non Muslims since Erdogan has set a new precedent in modern times.

When the Taliban blew up the Bamiyan Buddha statues the world condemned it but it was explained away as being done by the Taliban who are a fringe fundamentalist backward  group. But Erdogan is a well educated man and Turkey is a modern European country. If they can do something like this, it will give encouragement to Muslims all over the world to follow this example.

David Wood has made some excellent points here about this issue. 

Muslims have lost the moral argument after today. Erdegan has proven that when Islamists are in a position of power they will abuse that position. They lost the right to complain about Ram Mandir that will be re built at Ayodhya by Hindus or when the Jews will eventually rebuild their temple at the site of Al Aqsa. Muslims have shot themselves in the foot on this one.

1 hour ago, dharamyudh said:

Bro is talking about Devi Devte when he believes Muhammad rode on the Buraq from Mecca to Jerusalem which is described as being a white animal, half-mule, half-donkey, with wings on its sides. Now I would provide a picture... But eh... What's the point.  

Exactly. They ridicule the existence of Devi Devtas yet believe in the existence of the Buraq a horse with a human head, how is that anymore real or absurd than the Hindu belief in Ganesh? They believe in angels with huge wings, Jinns, satan, rivers of wine. You should see how their preachers describe the physical appearance of Hoors, the audience starts to get all lusty especially the old men lol. They got it all, no different from Hinduism, yet they act so condescending towards the Dharmic religions. 

13 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Ah so Sikhs aren't for Democracy then, got ya. Always assumed you angels were for Democracy and Secularism #sarcasm.

Oh and a small percentage of Muslims ruled India and were able to kill 2 of your Gurus but that's not a bragging point as a small percentile of people ruling over larger numbers has always occurred. Just recently the British over India. Another point is I'm not sure what numbers are more exaggerated Jewish holocaust victims or the great battles Sikh 'supposedly' won with tens of trillions of Mughals losing against a couple Sikh farmers and so on so forgive me if I take your history with a giant pinch of Himalayan salt.

Unlike Islamic rule Sikhs never persecuted or forcibly converted Muslims or Hindus to their religion. There were never any Hindu Muslim riots not even Shia Sunni violence like we see in Islamic ruled countries and empires. Sikhs never converted Mosques or Mandir into Gurdwaras. Islamic rule cannot hold a candle to Sikh rule. In Islamic rule Muslims killed Gurus, spread Islam forcibly, destroyed or converted non Islamic Shrines into Mosques.

And Islamic rule in India was the rule of Afghan and Turkic people who are a Qaum apart. I don't know why desi Muslims take pride in it who are a result of rape and forcible conversions of these foreign Muslims 

51 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Because Ranjit's pathetic 'Empire' only lasted 50 years.

In Ranjit Singh's empire the Sikhs were a mere 6% of the population while Muslims were 2/3 of the population. The Muslims outnumbered the Sikhs 10 to 1. That's Pathetic but only for the Muslims not for us.

6 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

586 BC Babylonians destroyed the first Temple built by King Soloman

70 CE Second Temple destroyed by the Roman Empire

691 CE Dome of the Rock Shrine was built by Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik

705 CE Al Aqsa Mosque was rebuilt and expanded by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid.

False equivalence, nice try though. Muslims at best built the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa on rubble which Muslims weren't responsible for.

I never said Muslims destroyed the temple. But before the Jewish conquest of Jerusalem the Muslims restricted Jews from visiting even the western wall which is the last remnant of their ancient Temple. Now that the Jews are strong enough they reconquered Jerusalem and go to the Western wall unrestricted. When the Ottomans conquered Constantinople they forcibly converted the Hagia Sophia into an Islamic shrine. Ata Turk tried to undo this wrong but Erdogan reversed this and you like millions of Muslims support this. So using your logic you should have no problem with the Jewish reconquest of Jerusalem and when they rebuild their temple or even with the Hindus rebuilding the Ram Mandir at Ayodhya.

I thank God I am born a Sikh. We never destroyed the religious shrines of others nor ever forcibly converted others to our religion. 

7 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Pious momins don't answer to unclean kaafirs.

Although I feel deep down we all expected this from Muslims and shouldn't feel surprised. But  because of my interactions with Muslims I still  give them benefit of doubt hoping that since this is the 21st century they might have also updated to this century from their mid evil period mindset. But I was wrong seeing them do this to the Hagia Sophia.

It's just the sheer hypocrisy that is really shocking. On one hand they lament and cry as victims over Hindus building the Ram Mandir and Jews occupying Jerusalem and Temple Mount but shamelessly feel no qualm by turning Hagia Sophia into a Mosque. 

No one is a victim here. It's just Jiski Laathi Uski Bhains(ਜਿਸਕੀ ਲਾਠੀ ਉਸਕੀ ਭੈਂਸ) type of mindset at work here. 

When Muslims were strong enough they destroyed Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, turned Hagia Sophia into a a mosque. When other groups are strong enough they take it back and the Muslims play the victim card.

But the Shastars contained in the Khanda symbol are all Puratan Sikh Shastars i.e. miri piri kirpans on the sides, khanda in the middle and a chakr.

6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

all the muslim girls will want to be guys because that's where the power and choices lie ....

Muslim women are the ones who raise the voice of Islam the most in the West. In the US look at Ilhan Omar and Linda Sarsour. All the  western SWJs leftists white liberals, feminists support them.

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

That stuff they are drilling into kids heads in school is messing them up, my colleague a English man told me how his 16 year old autistic son came home one day and said that he is bisexual and that the teachers are saying you can be whatever you want! he said some of his friends have chosen their sexuality while others can't decide yet.

Schools are just a brainwashing program, indoctrination. The government is using school to brainwash kids, you also can't debate and question but have to listen to the person of authority, the teacher, with schools they have created a format where from a young age you're taught how to be a sheep and not question authority. Schools are just a replica of the hierarchy, its where they teach you how to stay in you're place and not question or debate the authority, condition you into thinking that. There is no disagreement or questioning encouraged in schools. 

I watched this Muslim lady complaining on the news how her 6 year old daughter came home after one of these lessons and started rummaging through her brothers clothes because she wanted to be a boy. 

Muslims it seems are the only ones making noise about this matter. Concerned white parents are now too scared to say anything because they know they'll be labelled as bigots. But when Muslims do it white SJWs are left confused on what action to take because both Muslims and the LGBTQs are the main causes that they fight for.

24 minutes ago, puzzled said:

It really is a sad state affairs, looking at the direction things are going then it is likely a day will come where Gay Anand Karaj will happen if, people might doubt that, but watch it's going to happen. But i have faith in our youth and I'm sure they will take action just how they did when the interfaith Anand Karaj kept on happening, they made a point and the Gurdware committees realized they had to take action and cancel the interfaith marriages.  

There are Gay Vicars, Immams, Pandits in the news these days etc    Hindus have already started having Gay weddings, its on youtube and its horrific. 

Reading the article just look how sacred Anand Karaj was, Singh would take Amrit before Anand Karaj and it would take place in Amrit vela, just look at what people have reduced it to in todays time ...

Manmat creeps in when people go after the latest fad. Since the last 20 years look at all these anand karaj occurring on the beaches of Mexico with semi naked white women walking around in the Hazuri of Guru Sahib on the beach. Our own have no sharam left when they do this. 

Homosexuality is the latest fad. We are already seeing  our own SJWs making noise about allowing this in a Gurdwara twisting the meaning of Hukm by saying this is all Hukm of Maharaj. Soon the new generation of Sikh kids who have been indoctrinated in schools about this mental disorder through sex ed will do the unspeakable by allowing this manmat to occur.

4 hours ago, puzzled said:

How times have changed, now we have members of LGBTQ community trying to have Anand Karaj.

When you break a rule for one, then there always will be another wanting you to break the rule for them. 

The way things are going in the West it's just a matter of time before we see that circus show happening in a Gurdwaras Sahib. They are brainwashing kids from a young age through sex ed. They've already forced some Christian denominations to allow gay marriage. I've heard some fringe Muslim imams have allowed gay nikas to occur in western Europe. Be ready for when this manmat will also be forced on the Anand Karaj.