californiasardar1

On 1/28/2023 at 6:22 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Look how low some apnay have got. And this isn't an isolated case (see that youtube channel):

 

 

 

Do you have Cliff's Notes? I can't watch an hour long video.

Thanks.

On 11/10/2021 at 8:24 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

I don't think the Sikhs who joined the British army did it for moral reasons. The biggest factor was probably money.

Bingo.

On 11/10/2021 at 7:41 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Whose proud of this? 

 

The same Sikhs who are proud of the "Sikh regiment" and the Sikh "shaheeds" of the World Wars.

21 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Bro are you that uninformed? 

You do know nauvain padshah was born in Amritsar? There may have been compelling reasons for what you mention. Inter-family disputes that took a back seat to Guru ji's greater mission. 

Sikhs flocked to see the Guru [Tegh Bahadhur] and presented him with many gifts and offerings. One who was not so happy about the whole affair was the troublesome Dhir Mal, grandson of Guru Hargobind who had wanted people to acclaim him as the Guru since he was in possession of the Guru Granth Sahib written by Guru Arjan Dev. Dhir Mal became so angry that he planned an assassination attempt. He sent Shihan a masand (priest) loyal to him and some men to attack the Guru while he slept. Dhir Mal's men attacked the house of Guru Tegh Bahadur, shot the Guru and ransacked his belongings. Luckily Guru Tegh Bahadur was not seriously wounded. In retaliation loyal Sikhs raided Dhir Mal's house, looting it including the original copy of the Guru Granth Sahib and presented all of the bounty to the Guru as revenge. Guru Tegh Bahadur believed in forgiveness and ordered all of his property returned, including the original copy of the Guru Granth Sahib.

Guru Tegh Bahadur now accepted the role of leading the Sikhs and set out on a number of missionary journeys. He visited Kiratpur and then made his way to the other great centers of Sikhism, Tarn Taran, Khadur Sahib, Goindwal and Amritsar. At Amritsar Guru Tegh Bahadur bathed in the sacred pool but he was refused entry into the Golden Temple which was under the control of Harji, grandson of that other famous troublemaker to the Gurus, Prithi Chand. Guru Tegh Bahadur then journeyed back to Kiratpur. Here he encountered some Sodhi family jealousy and decided to found a new township. The Guru acquired a tract of land from the raja of Kahlur and founded the town of Chak Nanaki in 1665, named in honour of his mother (later to be known as Anandpur Sahib). The Guru now continued his journeys to spread the messages and teachings of Sikhism among the masses across the land. https://www.sikhs.org/guru9.htm

So dasmesh pita may have made a decision to carry on their mission of spreading dharam and organising Sikhs for the current and forthcoming dharamyudh at that point.  The decision was the right one, as Singhs subsequently wrested control over Amritsar afterwards. 

Yes, but  I don't see what the location of Guru Tegh Bahadur's birth has to do with this.

Amritsar has taken on some sort of unintended meaning, in my opinion, because Sikhs are insecure and feel a need to mimic what people in other religions do. And, of course, people like visiting and taking photos in front of the "Golden Temple" (note that it was not intended to be gold-plated, but that is another matter).

We are really selling Sikhi short of we insist on the notion of a "holy city." Waheguru is everywhere, Guru Granth Sahib maharaj can take prakah anywhere.

Here's something to think about: Nankana Sahib has effectively been out of the control of the panth since 1947, and Sikhi survived. Do you know that Amritsar was EXTREMELY close to being awarded to Pakistan in 1947? You know what would have happened then? Sikhs would have been forced out of Amritsar (as they have been in the past), and Sikhi would have continued on with another place being viewed as the center of spiritual and temporal affairs. Maybe this thread would be about whether Anandpur Sahib should be given "holy city" (whatever that means) status.

14 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Are you going to start saying Bihar and Maharashtra are more important for Sikhs than Punjab?

I don't think any parcel of land is inherently important. Please go over the mool mantar again. Or think about the sakhi of Guru Nanak visiting Mecca.

Of course having centers for spiritual and temporal matters is important for sustaining a community. But the specific locations are unimportant.

21 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

@californiasardar1

 

Bro, have you been to Harmandir Sahib?

Yes.

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

The amount of Singh's that have sacrificed themselves to defend the place says otherwise. I don't agree with you bro. 

Amritsar is VERY special. 

If it is so special, please explain why it was unnecessary for Guru Gobind Singh to visit it, much less establish control over it.

15 hours ago, Premi5 said:

No, Amritsar has always been our 'holy city' like it or not; actually we have a few, but who are we copying?

I respectfully disagree with the notion of a "holy city."

It is important to have (temporal and spiritual) centers for Sikhs to organize. But the location of the center itself is not important.

Notice how Guru Gobind Singh never even crossed the Beas River in his lifetime.

Why does everyone fixate on Amritsar so much?

Waheguru is everywhere. There is nothing special about Amritsar.

This is just another illustration of Sikhs mimicking other religions. We need to have a "holy city" because we are no less than them!

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

 

 

Where is mistersingh?

According to him, this sort of stuff only happens in the US.

19 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think he may have been foolishly waiting for this girl to see the light.

Yes, obviously.

There was an article about her that mentioned that "Humble" lived in her house, but their relationship was a platonic "brother/sister" one.

It's pathetic. Instead of accepting that he was friendzoned and moving on, he decided to become her butler.

Anyway, they are both trash.

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

I can talk with some authority on this because I witnessed it growing up (and I'm sure I've said this before so forgive the repetition).  

Bhangra bands and gigs became very popular with young british 'asians' in the 80s. At that time virulent open racism was a norm in society. It was a release and a relative safe space. All brown people jumped on it, not just Panjabis. Sadly, that's also where the negative reputation of apnay and apneean being drunk and 'easy' grew. Guys from other communities quickly started to exploit the vulnerable girls who'd be playing truant (and getting dressed up in the toilets at school) or creeping out of windows. 

There you go. This essentially confirms what I said: immigrant groups want something fun that will bring them together and also give them some sense of identity and make them reel like they belong somewhere. I am pretty sure that the popularity of bhangra trickled back to Punjab, and that's how it became popular among people there.

Serious question: why is your English so poor?

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

This is the crux of the matter, how did we get here. And I don't buy the bull5hit about others foisting it on us, we obviously have an appetite for this crap amongst our own that external AND internal forces are exploiting. 

Aside from our people being (in general) stupid and pathetic, here is something to consider.

I am not the most knowledeable person when it comes to bhangra. But based on what I know, bhangra's popularity among diaspora Punjabis predates its popularity among people in Punjab. As we all know, people in Punjab desperately want to be "western," and they copy the trends they see among Punjabis who live abroad.

So the question then is: why did bhangra become popular among diaspora Punjabis? I think it has to do with the immigrant experience and a desire to have some sort of unifying cultural practices that are enjoyable and can help forge a sense of identity and belonging among minority people who spend most of their time feeling like they don't belong anywhere. Notice how bhangra is the first thing that comes up among most diaspora Punjabis when they seek to bond with each other, and it is the first thing that comes up when most diaspora Punjabis want to or need to provide some representation of their culture and heritage to non-Punjabi people.

What is puzzling is why people choose bhangra, given that it was not actually part of their cultural heritage. But I bet most Punjabis are completely unaware of this. Moreover, music and dancing are perhaps the most popular cultural practices retained by most immigrant groups (who tend to easily lose less "fun" and "colorful" aspects of their culture). Punjabis just copy.

I am not justifying the importance that diaspora Punjabis give to bhangra. I am just proposing a theory of how it became popular among them.

The silliest thing about the modern obsession with bhangra is how stupid punjabis present it as if it is some sort of ancient tradition that has formed a central (perhaps THE central) part of their culture for generations.

In reality, only certain marginalized groups traditionally partook in dancing.

I remember when I was a kid, I asked my grandfather if people danced at his wedding reception. I wish you all could have seen the look he gave me.

I came into this thread thinking the title was "detachment from monay" ...

People tend not to think for themselves these days, and to the extent that they do come up with their own opinions, they are based mostly on internet misinformation, propaganda and memes. The irony is that a lot of people will automatically adopt an opinion that is regarded as controversial or "contrarian" partly because they think it shows that they are independent thinkers.

Most of the posters on sikhsangat, for example, get their news and opinions from right-wing garbage that they consume online. You can tell from the terminology that they use, the lies that they believe to be facts, and the issues that they think are of central importance in today's world.

Why on earth was the opinion of someone like Tate given any weight by people who claim to believe in Sikhi? It is just one of many signs of our community's problems.

Just embrace the natural beauty of the beard.

12 hours ago, BhForce said:

They might or might not think that. The point is, if they were Muslims, then other Muslims already in the US and their allies would be raising hell, getting word out in media, holding demonstrations, and pursuing legal strategies.

Remember, they did manage to halt and drastically reduce the impact of Trump's Muslim ban through such methods: it ended up being not a general ban but rather just a ban on half a dozen countries already on an Obama watchlist.

The reason the Muslims have allies is because Westerners are always afraid of upsetting the Muslims because everybody knows they'll go crazy.

There is more of a reaction when something affects Muslims because there are around 2 billion Muslims in the world.

On 8/7/2022 at 8:43 PM, BhForce said:

On the other hand, if the Korans of Muslims were being confiscated, they'd be raising hell.

I am pretty sure that the border agents responsible for the mistreatment thought that they were mistreating Muslims.

On 6/29/2022 at 9:35 PM, MisterrSingh said:

I know that you American cuck! How am I not speaking in RELATIVE TERMS?

50 SIKHS in a CITY is still greater than 5 SIKHS in another CITY. You'd expect those 50 SIKHS to have some greater sway than the 5 SIKHS in the next city.

Frig me, you're a frustrating so-and-so.

I am going to try one more time to help you understand: a man with $50 in his bank account is ten times richer than a man with $5 in his bank account. But the difference is essentially meaningless, because both of them are extremely poor.

On 7/12/2022 at 12:48 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Oh shut up.

Is there some kind of magical invisible veil that envelops Sikhs and weakens them whenever they cross over into the mystical land of America? Maybe you fellas need to stop acting big in the pind, and stop getting your tatti kicked in when you go to the West?

I don't understand what point you think you are making. Resorting to insults doesn't help your case. It is also really lame for you to make this some sort of US Sikhs vs UK Sikhs thing. Does it make you feel better about yourself to engage in this kind of petty one-upmanship?

You don't appear to grasp very basic realities related to population density. From your posts, you sound very provincial. It might be illuminating for you to occasionally leave Wolverhampton or Southall or wherever you live. More troubling than your provincialism is your inability to understand basic quantitative reasoning. I don't say these things to try to insult you, and it gives me no happiness to note these things. You seem like a really nice guy (although you try to hide it). People like you are the future of the Sikh quam. So in making these observations, I feel disappointed and depressed.