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On 4/22/2022 at 3:56 PM, proudkaur21 said:
Our ancestors could have also chosen to give up fighting against islam rather than get their limbs cut. They chose to fight and die fighting for the truth. Why dont they stay and fight against this casteism?
A large percentage of your ancestors did choose to give up fighting and avoid persecution. Only a tiny percentage of Punjabis whose descendants now identify as Sikhs were actively fighting at any given time.
I stopped believing fairy tales about the Sikh community long ago. We can look at recent history for a more accurate version of the typical dynamics. What happened after operation blue star? A small handful of munday got emotional and took up arms. A much larger group of “Sikhs” actively worked with the oppressive Indian state to apprehend and kill them. The vast majority (> 95%) of the Sikh population just wanted to stay out of it.
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On 3/26/2022 at 1:21 PM, Ranjeet01 said:Wherever our people are targetted, our dastars are targetted. It is known whether it is a Hindu or Muslim to go for our dastar and kes.
Then we ask ourselves the question ," we thought us Sardars were so respected"
We think it is through our good deeds that we were respected.
No, it was through violence we were respected. It is through fear that Hindus and Muslims respect.
They have lost fear.
There is a Macchiavelli quote that says , " It is better to be feared than loved"
Whenever I see the T-Shirts worn by our Singhs that says " Feared by none, Fear no one", I cringe because a little bit of fear for us goes a long way.
We have been the nail for too long, we have to become a hammer once more.
Maybe if monay like you would become Singhs and our numbers increased 10-fold or 20-fold, it would be easier to deal with other groups who want to cause trouble.
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14 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:
1. I disagree. Imho that is the new age propaganda being fed to the Qaum in order to create 13,000 Mosques in each and every Pind in Punjab. What we as Sikhs need to do is ensure only one Gurdwara per Pind to prevent Pakistan from achieving it's dream of 13million Muslims in east Punjab in the future.
2. The population of Muslims in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh is around 600million plus. The population of Sikhs is around 20million plus in those three aforementioned countries. What that means is if 25% of the Sikh population were killed tomorrow that would be 5 million Sikh deaths.
Let's take your argument at face value that an equal number of Muslims were killed ... ie for argument's sake a hypothetical 5million. 5 million out of 600 million equates to 0.8% of the Muslim population in the sub-continent. Meaning that Sikh fatalities on a per capita basis exceeded Muslim lossed by a factor of 30 times! Thirty times!
Just to ram this point home. Russia invades Ukraine and has approximately let's say a 3 times larger population. Both sides suffer an equal number of casualties. What that would then mean is that Ukrainian losses are 3 times than Russian ones in per capita terms.
Furthermore are you aware that Jinnah and his Muslim Jatt intended to annexe all of present day Punjab (and Haryana) all the way up to Delhi (just like they annexed the part of Kashmir known as Pakistani-occupied Kashmir part of which is famous for it's Punjabi-speaking Mirpuri Jatt population that is quite numerous in the UK).
The Muslim Jatts, Muslim Rajputs (Ranghars), Muslim Brahmins (Butt's like Iqbal) etc knew they had a 4 to 1 numerical advantage in Punjab over Sikhs and that Sikhs were less numerous than Muslims even in Majha and Doaba (and indeed Sikhs were even a minority in Malwa in 1947).
They perceived Sikhs to have gone soft over time. Their thinking (somewhat like Putin's) was that Hindu's were cowards and that one in seven of the population that were Sikh could not prevent the annexation of the entire Punjab into Pakistan (including the Lal Qila of Delhi into this enlarged vision of Pakistan).
The Sikhs realised this existential threat upon attacks from various Muslim Jatt, Muslim Rajput (Rangarh), Muslim Saini (Arain), Muslim Gujjar etc villages in present day east Punjab during 1947.
In other words though it has become fashionable to parrot that Sikhs are just as bad the reality is that Sikhs were facing complete annihilation and Genocide if east Punjab had been successfully annexed into Pakistan (the way that Mirpur District was annexed into Pakistan by Jinnah).
Even so, despite seeing off the existential threat that Sikhs faced in 1947 (as Kyiv seems to have done at this point in time) the Sikh Panth still ended up with 30 times the number of casualties as the Muslims on a per capita basis during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs.
1. Where is your evidence that 90% of the entire Sikh population (depending on how you define "Sikh") was wiped out in the Vadda Ghallugarra?
2. Why are you bringing numbers that are i) from the modern day and ii) comprise the entire Muslim population in South Asia? The relevant numbers are the population of Sikhs and Muslims in the British Punjab Province and the Punjabi Princely States in 1947.
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On 4/20/2022 at 6:22 PM, MisterrSingh said:Typical American ignorance. Thinks socialised healthcare through taxation is equatable to Marxist policies of equity. Are bin-men agents of a Marxist state? Are the civil service Marxist lackeys?
Obviously a socialized healthcare system is not equivalent to marxism. Similarly, the various people and things that you rail against and label as "marxist" are far from actual marxists. Notice that in my post I wrote "marxist" in quotations to mock the way that you refer to anything remotely left-leaning as "marxist." You are like a caricature of a right-wing radio host.
Every western social democracy has traditionally been some sort of hybrid of a pure free market system and a socialist system. You enjoy a lot of benefits and privileges that materialized from the efforts of leftists (who you constantly deride) who pushed the UK more towards the socialist end of the spectrum than it previously was.
You should visit the US sometime and see what a cesspool it is and maybe you will appreciate some of the things that you have in your country that you take for granted. Alternatively, you can just wait a few years, since the UK's trajectory indicates that it will soon join the US as a race-to-the-bottom country run by corporations and oligarchs with average people living precarious lives and working themselves to death. The UK is on this trajectory because (like the US) it is filled with stupid people who are easily distracted by the culture wars.
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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:
They're out there, and they're getting sick and tired of being used as punching bags as well as Trojan Horses by politicians, media, genuine bigots and patronising "allies" who imprint the bigotry of low expectations on these people.
When blacks finally stand up and make their voices heard in a way that doesn't involve them being manipulated by Marxists who want to use them as golems and proxies to take the fight to whites, it will signal a change in the course of history. Unfortunately, they're mostly Christians.
Do you dislike your "Marxist" NHS?
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On 4/19/2022 at 12:30 AM, dallysingh101 said:
Number of non-EU migrants coming to Britain to work and study rockets in first year under new post-Brexit rules
- From 1 January 2021, those coming from the EU required a visa to work or study
- Of 239,987 work visas granted in 2021 - less than 13% went to EU nationals
- There were 432,279 study visas granted in 2021 - the highest on record
- 95% went to non-EU citizens, with the highest number going to Chinese students
The number of non-EU migrants coming to Britain to work and study has rocketed since the implementation of post-Brexit immigration rules, Home Office figures have shown.
From 1 January 2021, following the end of the Brexit transition period, those coming to the UK from the EU to work or study have required a visa.
In total in 2021, there were 239,987 work-related visas granted.
This was a 110 per cent increase on 2020 (114,528 visas) and 25 per cent higher than 2019 (192,559), which was the final full year before the Covid pandemic.
However, of those work-related visas granted in 2021, only 30,514 (or 13 per cent) were granted to EU nationals, as well as those from Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.
The highest number of work visas granted in 2021, by nationality, were to Indians (70,099 visas), Ukrainians (20,783), Filipinos (14,281) and Nigerians (11,589).
The top EU nationalities granted work visas in 2021 were French (4,618), German (3,693) and Italians (2,921).
Last year also saw a huge increase in the number of foreign students granted UK visas.
Surely this is not what Brexiters wanted?
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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:
Anyone who sees any similarities between Jews & Israel and Sikhs & Khalistan (beyond their respective minority status) doesn't have a grasp of either Sikhs & Khalistan and Israel & Jews.
It's beyond laughable to draw ANY comparisons between the two. It's downright ignorant of not only history, but religion and sociology. This is the kind of take you'd read in an English language Punjabi local newspaper that you can find stacked up in any langar hall across the UK.
The Jewish elite and its Machine are so powerful they literally have to downplay their reach and impact as the eternal, downtrodden minority so as not to draw attention to their power and capabilities, which is why you get Sikhs believing we're anything like them.
Why do Sikhs who see these comparisons never mention the historical and continuing British and American patronage of Jewish causes and Israel; two of the greatest empires in the history of humanity? Why no mention of the one family and financial house established in the Middle Ages that virtually bankrolled the establishment of Israel? Where's that support for Sikhs? Instead, we see the same room-level IQ arguments stemming from Sikhs getting gassed after watching Schindler's List.
Wow, another instance where I must agree with MS.
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16 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:
I think it's not that it was him barely getting punished, it was the fact that he was even punished at all that should be surprising. I'm going to say something controversial, but Rehat meant something different to olden Sikhs and modern Sikhs. (Most of the right-wing view on Maryada only happened when Bhai Randhir Singh came in the world and Damdami Taksal went from a Samparda into a Jatha under Sant Sundar Singh Ji).
I am not the most knowledgeable person about rehat, but it does seem to me that certain things (such as a requirement for women to wear dastars as per the AKJ, and vegetarianism) seem to have come to prominence in the last 100 years or so. Now, maybe these were originally parts of rehat that were lost over time due to wayward practices and the AKJ and Taksal and other groups were bringing them back. I don't know.
However, alcohol being forbidden seems to not be controversial. Or am I wrong?
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8 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:1. He was whipped for drinking alcohol and not on account of the urban myth promoted by Mullah's that it was because of erstwhile birth religion of his (Sikh) wife Moran Kaur.
2. It's am urban myth cooked up by Mullahs (yet imbibed by our own without critical analysis) designed to prevent Sikh males from taking wives from the majority Punjabi community and thus increasing the strength of Sikh demographics in Ranjit Singh's raj (which would have left many Muslim men childless as a result and possibly prevented the partition of Punjab over a century later). Think about it logically why would Guru Sahib prevent Sikh men from California from marrying from one of a pool of one billion (Muslim) women today so long as via Anand Karaj (with the bride accepting Sikhi by default via the puratan definition that anyone bowing down before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj) and the children being raised Sikh. We know from history that the Khalsa Fauj married many of the rescued Hindu and Muslim slavegirls that were being abused and mistreated by Muslim men.
3. His alcohol intake and debauchery were exactly what caused him to be whipped.
1. Sikh faith does not arise from birth or parentage but via conviction as we see in the example of Bhai Mardana Ji the first Sikh in History (who was an apostate from Islam as we see when Wali Qandhari tried to murder Bhai Mardana Ji and Guru Sahib for that very reason).
2. Agreed
Do you have any references about him being sentenced to a whipping (my understanding is that he was never actually whipped) for alcohol? And how would that make sense given his apparent regular indulgence of alcohol?
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8 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:
Last time I checked it was only Islam that inflicted Genocides in which 90% of the Sikh population was killed (Vadda Ghallughara) and more recently in which 25% of the Sikh population there was killed in the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs. So imagine 10 million people in California being killed tomorrow or 85million Americans being killed by Islamic State. That's the threat Islam poses to Sikhs. Even the Congress Genocide of Sikhs begins to look like a picnic in comparison to the above.
The 90% statistic for the Vadda Ghallughara refers to Sikh fighters and their families, not the general Sikh population.
In 1947, Sikhs did just as much killing as Muslims (if not more).
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I am sure most of you know the story about Akali Phula Singh sentencing Ranjit Singh to be whipped allegedly for marrying a Muslim dancer.
Why was it on this one occasion that Ranjit Singh was deemed to have crossed the line?
In particular, why was his general drunkenness and womanizing tolerated?
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1 minute ago, Redoptics said:
You answered your own question, they can't even do that, what i ment was read Guru Granth Sahib Ji, understand it, keep kesh, will come along naturally.
Rather than growing hair for the sake of it, without knowing why.
These people are really into Sikhi though. They post lots of photos of themselves at the Gurdwara, get khanda tattoos etc.
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On 4/7/2022 at 8:37 PM, MisterrSingh said:
A fallacious argument constantly churned out by die hard liberals. "Sikhs are a minority in Western countries just as Muslims are, therefore we should stand by them, because when "they" come for Muslims, they'll also come for us."
Recent developments in Punjab suggest Sikh humdardi with Muslims is worth less than yesterday's tatti.
How about opposing ANY group being targeted simply for being who they are?
Maybe you should get out of Wolverhampton or Hounslow or wherever you live and go visit Europe sometime and see what Sikhs over there deal with.
You guys are so focused on Muslims that you fail to see the bigger picture. Muslims aren't our friends. Neither are Atheists. Neither are Christians. Neither are Hindus. Neither are most people who call themselves Sikhs.
You seem to think that Muslims pose a unique threat to Sikhs. They don't. You bring up recent developments in Punjab. Okay. Have you noticed how our problems were not solved after 1947 when Sikhs were concentrated in a state virtually free of Muslims (except for Maler Kotla)?
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On 9/17/2020 at 12:07 PM, singhbj singh said:
There is an increase of people having Sheesha and saying but it’s “Tobacco Free, it’s fine I’m just fitting in with my friends” what is your opinion on this?
I could have sworn I saw those guys doing what they do on Edgware Road.
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Can you please not do this?
These forums average about 3 new posts per week as it is. Do you want to kill discussion?
You guys already did a lot of damage by banning West London Singh/Legal Singh/Jagsaw Singh.
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On 4/9/2022 at 1:16 PM, MisterrSingh said:
Where did you learn that from? How does someone who doesn't know of Amritsar's religious significance to Sikhs, suddenly know that keeping uncut hair is a requirement for Sikhs. It's not written in the Guru Granth Sahib aside from some philosophical musing about how adhering to certain rehats at the expense of others is irreligious and hypocritical. So, you've studied rehatnamas (that specify the keeping of unshorn hair), have you? Then why are the original questions in your first post such a mystery to you? What was the reason for posting them?
I'd be a lot more sympathetic to your plight if trying to get a straight answer out of you wasn't like trying to nail water to a wall. Cue your response, "I don't need your sympathy." Frig me.
Whatever post-modern Western social philosophies you've filled your head with haven't served you well, have they? The way you rationalise the issues that obviously cause you mental distress by jumping through hoops and shielding the very things and people who deserve your scorn tells me you're very afraid of embracing certain truths.
I don't think you're serious about finding a woman at all. Our Punjabi system of securing partners is fool-proof. Yet every time someone offers you solution, you put up a wall of excuses.
OTHERS: Get married.
YOU: My genes are 5hit.
OTHERS: Exercise and eat well. You'll gain confidence and feel better. That radiates to women.
YOU: No point. They won't change my genes.
OTHERS: You can find an amritdhari wife if you take amrit.
YOU: No point. I'm not "good enough" to be an amritdhari. I'd only disgrace the demographic.
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Ultimately, your keshdhari advocacy rings hollow because you REFUSE to take the next natural step to seal the deal as it were. I know you believe - but you'll never admit on here - that taking amrit is unnecessary to being a Sikh, which is why you put up that wall of pakandh to avoid taking amrit, which is your choice after all. But at least be honest.
That list of questions you posted at the beginning was a "clever" attempt at trying to get people to claim certain things about Sikhi which you could rebut by arguing none of those things are explicitly stated in Sikh scriptures, therefore strengthening your position as to why you don't think amrit is a requirement for a keshdhari.
As much as I agree with you about certain issues on kesh-related matters, I can't take anything you say seriously because of the veiled intent behind your words. You don't argue for kesh philosophically or spiritually, or because it moves you from a religious point of view; you argue for it simply because you're emotionally resentful. There's no substance to it. It rings hollow because you avoid doing the very thing that will aid you in securing the thing you desire most. So we go around in a circle.
I already answered your questions. I don't seek to get married and have children. I want this all to end with me.
I didn't set up this thread to try to start a conversation about amrit. You really overthink things sometimes. Not everything is some sort of attempt to be "clever." I wanted to see what people on these forums thought, but you people keep derailing the discussion by bringing up other things.
I don't think taking amrit is unnecessary to being a Sikh. Did I say that? No. Every Sikh should take amrit. Just because I don't do something, that doesn't mean that I am going to dismiss its importance.
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On 4/8/2022 at 10:06 PM, Redoptics said:You obviously are struggling with the basics of sikhi, why are people trying to run before they can walk. You do know you are not supposed to judge people. Its people like yourself that push 'monay' away from the panth.
Anyway I have seen it alot people jumping into 5 ks , Dasam Granth etc, without even reading and understanding Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
This is a ridiculous statement. Keeping kesh is accomplished by doing NOTHING. You don't have to go from walking to running. You just have to sit on your <banned word filter activated> and do NOTHING.
People can't even do that. They would rather spend their time and money on getting douchey haircuts and Bollywood-villain mustaches than do literally NOTHING.
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You guys are so critical of "Sikh Coalition"-style groups and individuals trying to make common cause with larger minority groups that don't care much about us. But it's not that different from desperate Singhs constantly pandering to mona Punjabis and trying find some common ground with them.
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On 4/10/2022 at 7:51 AM, MisterrSingh said:
I imagine it would be difficult to maintain a balance of genuine respect and affection for elders when knowing that a particular elder is fundamentally wrong about most things.
I've always liked those scenes in the Godfather when Vito decides to retire from being the Don after he recovers from his attempted murder, passing control to Michael. He fades into the background, acting solely as an advisor to Michael who ultimately is encouraged to stand up and make decisions and lead. Even when the old timers gravitate towards Vito in Michael's presence, he gently ushers them to Michael in order to cement the idea that Vito's no longer The Top Man. Fiction or not, that's wisdom and a sense of being secure enough in your own skin to know when to gracefully cede control of the family's day-to-day running.
The Godfather reference really hits the mark.
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1 minute ago, ipledgeblue said:how about Singhs start practising puraatan anand viyaa ceremonies and monas can do Anand Karaj, that sounds fun lolz
How about monay go straight to the wedding reception?
Then they wouldn't have to waste $500 paying some guy who just arrived from India to a tie a pagh on them.
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Marine Le Pen is proposing fines for Muslim women wearing headscarves in public.
But I am sure that she will protect our right to wear dastars in public. (Especially after she reads this thread and realizes that we have a common enemy!)
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20 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:All fair points. But isn't this true of all ethno/religious groups? The vast majority of men of any religion are only observant in the orthodox sense if there is a heavy-handed religious authority that wields actual power over them. Left to their own choices, the number of "true followers" is never in majority. Maybe there are only a few hundred "true Sikhs" if we apply more stringent criteria, but where does that take us as a group? You can keep applying rules to prune down our numbers to no end. First it'll be kesadhari only. Then it can come down to only Amritdharis are Sikhs. Lets take it one more step and say only those Amritdharis who have weapons training and keep atleast 5 weapons at all times are Sikhs. Then we can jump into the spiritual realm and start pruning out those who don't get up early enough. Pretty soon the definition is going to end up at only a well trained brahmgyani khalsa is a Sikh.
Sure, I understand what you are saying. But surely there needs to be some dividing line, right?
If not, Sikhi is just going to disintegrate into "anything goes" Hinduism.
It's amusing that so many people are now upset about "interfaith anand karaj" ceremonies, for example. We got to that point by adopting an all-inclusive "anything goes" attitude in terms of how Sikh weddings are conducted. And when the pro-"interfaith anand karaj" crowd points out the immense hypocrisy, it is difficult to answer them.
Let me ask you this: if I got "I am not a Sikh" tattooed to my forehead, what would you think?
Would you say "well, he has singh in his birth name, and he goes to the Gurdwara every once in a while and he posted a photo of the Golden Temple on his instagram, so he is still a Sikh"? Or would you think "if he feels so strongly that he wants to emphatically signal to everyone in the most visible way possible that he rejects Sikhi, then maybe I should believe him?"
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20 hours ago, Redoptics said:I'm a mona, whats the beef Keith?
Why are you a mona?
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Some home truths for Ravi Singh Khalsa Aid
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Good point