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It was to get the same rights as jewish people. Judaism is a religion but their ppl are recognized as an ethnicity
I never agreed with this but some sikhs (i think it was jagsaw) explained the benefits we could get. Fight for khalistan, less discrimination, mlre protection as a protected class.
So i realized even if i dont agree, but there is a benefit to some sikhs somewhere,.then i should support the sikhs fighting for it. Or atleast not sabotage their attempts.
In all big families/communities, all will not be on the same page nor same morality/thinking. But to be united means you compromise and see their point of view. Sikhs dont do that, they become righteous and start protesting. And we get nowhere due to inner fighting.
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On 11/3/2020 at 6:45 PM, jaswindersingh55 said:
waheguru ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki fathe
iv been trying extremely hard to try to learn Gurmukhi as I have some time while I'm still of work but im struggling really bad because im getting confused so please someone please please please help me and guide me as I have no one to ask
Why are the onkar vowels which occur at the end of a word sometimes sound silent when gurbani is read. For example:' ; ਨਾਮੁ is spelt naamu but pronounced naam and ਜਪੁ is spelt japu but pronounced Jap? and ਸਤਿ is spelt sati but pronounced 'sat
and bilaval im reading it bilavalu
what have I done wrong because I feel like im prouncing it right but im doing it wrong
when I was learning I though I was doing very well but when this came up it just broke my confidence it has made me very sad an I feel like I wont be able to read path ever in my life now
so please someone do kirpa and explain and help me get my confidence back that one day I will be able to read path in Gurmukhi
Its due to grammer. Its called vyakaran in gurmukhi. The silent sihaari and aunkard tell is if the object is possessive or plural. Gurmatbibek.com has some articles on this.
However taksaal believes you should pronounce every thing. So you would say naaaamuh. Stretch out the first vowel so when u pronounce the second vowel shorten it so it doesnt change the meaning. Like sssssssti. This is called lagu and deerag.
They teach this in santhiya. Take santhoya classes.
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On 10/12/2020 at 4:54 AM, dallysingh101 said:
Not that caste is a central feature of people behaving in this way, but all the Nijhers I've met haven't been chamars?
No its a phenomenon in panjab. That low caste ppl adopt high caste last names.
So now its a thing in jatt circles to say this name has been totally corrupted or ur guyss last name has been totally converted to low caste or nowadays one cant tell the caste cuz anyone will take any name etc
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9 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:
Acceptance aside, how would I know to challenge something that has passed into Not-Hukam?
For example, I'm walking past a well. A little kiddy falls in. I can say, "The child falling in is part of Hukam. It's not my business to intercede," which is difficult to refute.
Objectively, and unbeknownst to me, it IS Hukam for that child to die from the fall in the well, but I manage to get him out, thus transgressing Hukam.
Would I be punished in the afterlife for defying Hukam? Or by helping the child out of the well, has the earlier Hukam evolved into another form of equally valid Hukam that's rolled with the punches thrown up by the unpredictability of life? So, even my actions, as unforeseen as they may be, are now part of Hukam?
If so, how can a normal human being ever hope to stay on the correct and acceptable side of something so fluid?
If it was hukam, u could not prevent it even if u tried.
Hukam is not so easily changed.
For us normal beings, we r in hukam, there is no way to circumnavigate it. Except for suicide. But as that becomes our karma, its still part of hukam? Our instincts, fears, desires, level of intellect is all predetermined. So how can we make a decision outside of hukam?
So many times, we forget things, take the wrong route, press the wrong pedal accidently, woke up late and missed the accident on the freeway etc Its hukam leading us to our karma. Our control is so fragile.
Only those with superpowers that can raise the dead, heal ppl. They have the ability to change hukam. They are usually cautioned not to interfere.
There r multiple stories illustrating this. A sikh gained the ability to heal ppl by passing a green light thru his hands. So he became famous for it. But in the end, he lost that ability and suffered a horrible death.
Also a sant raised his dead father i think it was, he was fine for a couple of dies, but then his body started to rot while he was still alive. And then the sant and everyone was praying to please end his life.
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On 10/20/2019 at 2:51 AM, shastarSingh said:
Bahut bahut Dhanvaad ji.
Thank you so much!
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Not sure.but i think it has to do with our locus of control.
Whatever we can control or change is not-hukam.
Whatever, is beyond us is hukam. Also we should always do effort, but the result is hukam
I think bhai jagraj singh said hukam was the past. Because it was meant to be. But thats too simplistic.
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12 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:Yeah. I worked with them in the military bro. Blue line bro. Even though they couldn't articulate why things can be done to a citizen of this country without trial that we can't do to our enemies abroad, they stand by their brother in blue. They're more committed to that than the constitution or rule of law. And it's sick and pathetic.
Standing up and for ur comrades in arms is also a good quality, that turns to peer pressure and cowardiceness.
But its not only police who are guilty of it. Moh attacks everyone. People will lie to protect their family, their cult, their religion and their brothers in arms.
In fact, thats what happened in panjab during kharkoo (militant) times. If you read Khalistan by cynthia mehmoud, that was the only crime she could find done by sikh seperatists. That one sikh would take bombs into crowded marketplaces to kill hindus, and none of the members of his team condemned him. She asked them if it was wrong to kill innocents, they said yes. But they wouldn't comdemn him. They said he is one of ours, a brother.
Panjabi Sikh people will be the last to support any ideological movement. Because they have suffered from ideology alot. First in 1947, they were promised a better nation, just for sikhs. And how many innocent sikhs got butchered? Then in 1984 to 1995, while the kharkhoos and rebels enjoyed glorius shaheedis, it was the common folk who suffered dehydration, curfews, torture, army rule, becoming orphans and a loss of economy. Most sikhs at heart are secularist and scared stiff of religious ideologues who can ignite another doomed revolution and entice their children to early death.
That is why most sikh people judge movements by their effect on the common people not their ideology. It doesnt matter what equalities are promised,.what wrongs will be righted, look at the actions.
So to sikhs, BLM is terrible. It comes for their businesses and livelihood. And one cant even try to defend against the looters:
https://anncoulter.com/2020/09/23/innocent-until-proven-trump-supporterxxxx/
Thats the general panjabi thought about BLM.
Heres mine: i support Black Lives Matter Too. That was the original name by the founders. I think it makes a lot more sense.
Also im after the truth, but between the nbc and cbc whitewashing and fox news fearmongering, its hard to know whats true. I dont want to be lead by the mainstream media which is supporting ppl like biden, using all this unrest to paint trump bad. Its been wrong about the russian fraud, to trump impeachement to so many things. They have been calling the protest peaceful.
Big games are afoot and i dont want to be a pawn. First the media was like social distancing. Shut down gurudware and churches. Then they allow and encourage ppl to attend these huge protests.which even though they included looting and burning were called peaceful. They wont condemn anything, even though many videos show black people angry cuz their kids got shot and killed, their businesses looted. One one sided narrative is being pushed and of anyone even criticizes a little bit they are canceled with shouts of racism.
So while i support BLMT, i wont let that turn me into a passive bystander. Its not only the end that matters, its also the means to get there. Anyone can commit crimes under a movement, so be vigilant. A protest can easily be turned into a mob. And a mob is dangerous especially if it inevitably goes to loot rich places. As sikhs are rich, and have businesses and big houses, they can be a target. As the koreans were in LA riots. Nobody supported the koreans. The media and artists celebrated the rioters. But the koreans who had to defend their homes and stores with guns were all alone during the riots and the damages too.
Also the rodney king riots, did they solve anything?
Will these protests? In the beginning BLM was smart. They knew doing peaceful protests werent gonna do anything. Ppl and governmwnts only pay attention when property is involved. So they were smart, they tartgeted police departments, governemnt buildings.and even big stores were ok. And in war and big movements sometimes bystanders get hurt. I mean it was the sikhs tweeting 17 better 10,000 in support of rajoana. That the 17 bystanders killed in suicide bombing by rajoana was good because the guy who was killed wouldve killed many more sikhs. So i understand if some innocents get killed or some sikh businesses looted. What i dont like about BLM is thats its becoming cult like. The media wont report anything true about riots vs peaceful protests or anything negative, and if anyone is critical they are canceled. These are not just fox news talking points i have noticed it. Shutting down disagreements, hiding the truth is leading to propaganda and authoritarianism. That is more worrisome than racism.
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I like the ending of chobis avtar when it says waheguru is above all. And the avtars and vishnu brahma are negligible.
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18 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:
sgpc was filled with high quality people at the start but very soon those folks were sidelined and the dhongi sikh brigade turned up to rip off golak for GOI and Punjab sarkar to bank roll antisikh outfits and activities . Used to be you had to be rehitvaan gursikhs to lead jathey and look after gurdwarey but now we just have bhekhi sikhs who have no sharam in ordering meat to eat in sgpc offices in gurdwara complex, the recent raagi protest was because the head granthi was not of calibre to even know raags suitable for what time or even proper maryada of hazoori raagis and their rights to select gurshabads they will perform . the problem is letting lesser sikhs masquerade as experts in all spheres of sikhi life. parchaariks and satkar committees should be formed and armed with full skillsets .
Until the satkar committee also filled with 'lesser sikhs' and gets corrupted
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21 hours ago, Redoptics said:
When somebody is going through a bad time people always say 'My thoughts and prays are going to them' or something similar, then they just change topic and I guarantee they don't prey for said person because usually they don't kniw them.
Just don't understand why people just say things, for the sake of saying, started to get me annoyed lately.
Its hard being a bystander to someone else'stragedy.
Theres no right thing to do or say or to help.
You dont want to pry or bring up sad kemories and make them cry. You also cant crack a joke or talk about the weather, its callous. Being silent is awkward.
Like at a funeral, what can you say?
So civilized ppl are smart, they came up with ritualistic words that can ease the awkwardness and keep things moving along. I think its great.
If someone is sick. I can say i hope you feel better and you can move away.
If someones relatives died you can say Im so sorry to hear about your grandma.
If you meet someone, Hello Nice to meet you.
For a mildly autistic or atleast socially impaired person, these phrases r a god send. They let me know the right thing to say and express with my facial expression as well. It really makes socializing easier, i have a blueprint for every occurence. And then i can ask them what i need and go on my way. Without endlessly agonising how do i approach a grieving person, will asking them for a favor now be callous etc
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22 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:
What are your thoughts on a representative system where say seven families, whatever number turns out to be useful, all select one representative, then those representatives either select another smaller tier of representatives or the Panj Pyare?
What if each Panj Pyare selected a representative, that could be changed, to meet with other representatives from other Gurudwara and the Panj Pyare of Akal Takht was selected this way?
Whether or not an individual Gurudwara wanted to respect the representation if the Sangat simply did this outside of the Gurudwara structure they could come to consensus about things and approach the existing committee unified.
In similar fashion, if Akal Takht did not want to respect the representation of a global Gurudwara network of representatives, then the Sangat could approach Akal Takht in a unified manner.
This is a good idea.
Ive thought of something similar.
Sangat is divided by area and jatha/affiliations.
So the akj in toronto get 5 representatives as do taksalis, nihangs, nanksariye, missionary, and 1 miscellaneous in toronto. And akj, taksali etc in BC will have their own 5 representatives.
So to make decisions for toronto, each group will choose 1 of their panj(the jathedaar) to make the city wide panj. As they will be from different jathas, but each jatha has representation, what ever they decide applies to every jatha.
And then the state or province panj will be made when the ecity panj each choose one from within them to be jathedaar and represent them in state council. The fact that the different sects have to choose someone they all agree will represent them will hopefully make them chose the best character, honest, kamaii wale persons. And every jatha will sent their best as they would want their representative to be chosen as the jathedaar.
Similarily nationally, all the states have to choose the best 5 to send to national council.
And the national council will choose the best 5 to send to the international council.
I dont know if that makes sense
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Sun Tzu art of war
Raj niti shakat by chaukiliya
Books on ayurveda
Meditations of Marcus Aurelius
Books on vedant or adaivata
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22 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:
I agree. I just dont understand how people think you'll get rid of committees and somehow chose the perfect Panj who will not be corrupt. Why can we chose the perfect Panj but totally f**k up come gurdwara election time?
Selection vs election. Voting where everyone has a vote and easily be manipulated by bribes, bussing in ur relatives and friends to vote.
While the panj are selected.
But if we implement selection in gurudwara committees that will also create problems. Ppl will nominate figureheads or weaklungs they can control. Factions will again develop backing up different candidates.
The thing is being one of the panj isnt really desired. No power no benefits. Masa labde amrit sinchaar laye.
While committe chair is desired. So even selection process will get corrupted.
Only way to fix it, is to join in and fight. But bhai jagraj singh of basics of sikhi tried with Tera Panth Vesai party. And it was a failure due to dirty politics. The opposite party i think sher or was it baaj printed horrible allegations on the female members. And most of the youth dropped out of the party, couldnt handle it.
So good people have to stand up but it requires too much effort. So the selfish ppl keep standing in elections as they have skin in the game and are willing to fight tooth and nail for it.
Like they say, the only way evil can win is if good ppl do nothing.
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On 10/21/2020 at 1:44 AM, ipledgeblue said:the committee system just doesn't work and we need an overhaul
Nah.
We need our ppl to be better. And to choose better leaders.
Cuz any institution and type of government can be corrupted in the hands of selfish ppl.
We had masands. Knowledgeable scholars who spent whole life and for generations serving gurudware.
That failed. So then we had SGPC. which we fought to create and give shaheedian for. And now we hate it.
We had akaali party. Same thing.
Now taksaals going that route. Ppl r starting to hate it.
I mean even a parchaar and education movement got corrupted. The missionaries.
In kulyug.everything gets rotten and corrupt. Theres no fool proof. Only thing we can do is be vigilant that our institutions arent going downhill. Instead of scraping them n restarting
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Dont be a vegan. Its really bad for your health. Vegan diet doesnt have any b12.
Its important to drink dairy products especially gheo and dahi. Clarified butter and yogurt.
Take some supplements esp a multivitamin made from fruits and veggies that has alot of minerals and b12. Get some sun too.
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On 10/16/2020 at 8:05 AM, Guest Marriage counsellor said:I am well pleased to hear that! Good luck my friend! The reason my post contains large fonts is due to the fact that I saved it first and than copied and pasted it afterwards. The reason I did this was because sometimes I lose connection with Sikhsangat.com in the middle of my response and then I have to start typing it all over again. Sorry for that. I am not promoting anything here, I don’t need to do so. All I was saying was if people can’t find partners to marry in their own communities what is stopping them from looking at other races. Considering you all live in white countries then why not find someone in that community? That’s all.
Judging from your response I don’t think any white person would look at you twice forget about marrying you! You sound extremely backward anot to mention uncouth! You are actually very far behind in your thinking and see this this world as your enemy. It’s is not anyone’s enemy, it’s what you make of it with whatever amount of intelligence god has gifted you with! You need to be careful not to be so rigid in your mentality if you want to progress in this world. Look at all those shots men marrying hindu women. I have heard of many white guys, highly educated and professionals marrying hindu girls when they are posted in India through their work! I don’t think there is anything wrong in that, but what this proves is that hindu people are a lot more progressive than Punjabis, in my view. Does this then signify that Hindus are more advance or educated lot than the Punjabis? I think so. One needs to expand ones mind not only through academic route but also the spiritual one.I dont know man. Mixed race kids face many issues. From identity issues to language barriers to having a hodge podge religion.
And the kids will be part of globalixation and culture will erode over time. White and black ppl have undergone this in america and it has terrible consequences.
Only if 1 culture/religion/language is allowed to be dominant will it work.
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On 10/15/2020 at 8:17 PM, AjeetSingh2019 said:
More importantly they never considered the mental trauma that boy might have faced.
What do you mean?
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Se Kineya mentions the maryada that sabt harnam si gh ji got from bhai buddha ji. (You can get this book online free in panjabi or english)
Also in history, we have a record of the first hukamnama when SGGS was subaiymaan (installed) at harminder sahib: Santa ke karaj aap.khaloya
And we know the 3 hukamname that came when akbar (think it was him or was it jahangir?) Ordered an investigation into the sikh faith cuz ppl complained that Sggs ji had anti muslim things in it.
And when a brahmin came for help of the khalsa at akaal takhat hecause his daughter was kidnapped by a very powerful local ruler. The sikhs disnt have enough manpower, but when they took a hukamnama, basant ki vaar came which has a pangti: panje badhe mahabali vich aap khloa. So they decides they had to attack and won even with great odds.
Also bhai sukha singh uk talks about how to get personal hukamnamas to answer ur own questions. Serch him on youtube.
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Whatever u decide. Make sure to keep that connection to gurusahib. Or few years of living the successful lifestyle: eating out, luxury brands, dressing up, intellectual debates and ur connection and faith in Sri Guru Granth sahib will also fade.
And u will wonder what was so special about gurbani. Like ur connection with rehit and amrit faded and now u dont see the point of it.
When our mind is not fearful and we have an easy life, we begin to slack off and our mindset changes. And many ppl stop training and then when competition time comes, they regret it.
What you are foing thru is normal. When lifes good, times are easy, we all struggle with discipline. Thats why we r told to remember death etc.
Anyway i just wanted to say, remember to talk to gurusahib. You talked to him about wanting to get out of the gang lifestyle. Talk to him about this too.
and in future, no matter where u r in the future, do go to gurudwara, do talk to gurusahib and read bani occasionally too. Lots of ppl say they are Sikh, but i feel like they should then do at least 1 action daily that marks them as such. Like mool mantar upon waking or atleast rehraas daily.
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4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:
Very true. I read it a lot in comments on YouTube videos of other faiths (know thy enemy, lol) and philosophies, where people say things like, "My parents are Sikh, but I don't know anything about it. This [the faith / ideology being presented in the video] makes sense." I'm wondering, "What's happening to us?"
Perhaps its the baba culture. The young sikhs think only scholars and babas can appreciate and dive deep into sikhi. That its not for the laypeople. They probably went to panjabi class or camp which was too deep/boring and they gave up.
And parents only pass down metha tek and do ardaas for things u want.
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@harkirat23 balance is key my friend. Dont swing the other way now.
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On 9/25/2020 at 6:30 PM, indersingh1313 said:
I tried to ask similar question here but only got limited suggestions like try local gurughar or matrimonial websites etc.
young generation also bit unsure of getting married, maybe lack of ability to take responsibilities in a married life.
you are supposed to ask a senior person. If your families believe in a jatha or taksal, u can ask the main babas of your organization.
Also your parents can ask senior ppl at the gurudwara. Like my son is coming of age, any suggestions for a rishta?
Also look at panjabi newspaper ads.
Also u can ask your married relatives. They will know other people your age from the other side of the family. And know people from that familys daughters family etc.
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On 9/28/2020 at 3:12 AM, Guest moorakh said:
Khalsa ji , few days ago i have eaten something from a restaurant and now an i am failing to do my nitnem and simran as before , i am very scared now that what if the chef was tobacco user and it got mixed in my food . if this happened , will i go to the hell . please help me khalsa ji, i am in depression now and feeling dead from inside . sorry for my english
You wont go to hell. You might get some bad karma. But guess what? Bad karma is eliminated, destroyed by doing paath. So do more paath.
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On 10/1/2020 at 10:35 AM, Guest Stranger101 said:pretty sure my grandparents moved to this pind when they were younger from another place. I have been talking to him for 2 years now and we are each other’s happy place. I don’t know how I get my parents to understand, I have no one to talk to about this. Don’t know what to do. Just found this page, someone please help
people from the pind are usually related. Even if they dont share surnames. They could be your great great grandfathers daughters kids who moved to this pind because their dad died.
Anyways. You are only 20. Do you want to get married soon? If not stop talking to guys.
Everyone knows first love never lasts. And if you are going the western way in ur relationships. First heartbreak is also a milestone. Wallow in it, cry for a few days. Enjoy the melancholy.
Dont antagonize ur parents, ur future, ur education for this guy.
Western societies believe love is amazing and special. Its not. People fall in love multiple times, even marry and promise love till death and then divorce and then find another love to marry.
Any guy you start talking to and share 'dukh sukh' u will become emotionally attached and be in love with. So forget this guy, you will find another one.
And hopefully, like alot of indian girls, remember to see if the guy is suitable before deciding to fall in love or getting involved. Which usually includes finding his caste, surname, nanake pind, income level, any enemities with ur family
just a heads up
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Why does India have a major rape issue
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I think it has to do with city life and media and immigration.
We used to live in villages where you knew everyone since childhood. And could be disciplined by any elder (takes a village to raise kids etc)
All the oldies say that boys and girls used to play together till seventeen eighteen, no bad thoughts anywhere.
But moving to cities and the media have changed the dynamic on how to relate to ppl and no elders to pass on dharmic values. And most indian cities have immigrants from all over. And i think the rurals have the wrong image of city women and are probably frustrated that their Moving to the Big City dream hasnt materialized.
This is not only an indian problem. Most ppl in the west say the same, that they used to play outside and roam anywhere in the small towns. But once different ethnicites moves in, the unity of a city, the trust in the neighbors disappears.
Also, statistically, i think rape is less in india than in western countries thats why it makes the news so mucb.
But this whole gang rape thing does seem to be prevalent in the Middle Asia only( middle east counties plus india).
Europeans were shocked by it when the 'refugees' moved in.
I think its cuz only in crowds can they forget that what their doing is wrong, and they need the mob madness to get over their inhibitions.
So in a way, prevalence of gang rapes over rapes in a society shows that it isnt that dangerous/fallen?