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26 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Knock yourself out.

Nothing will detract from the fact that the vast majority of murdering rapists who attacked the Khalistani lehar were............yeah you guessed it...sick sadistic peasant beta males, who'd do anything for a few rupees, including a genocide on their own kind. Alpha males my bhund! lol! 

These people are so beta, you can actually come into their land, steal all the resources, put them to work like b1tches, and even arm them (????) - and make them fight your battles abroad for a few rupees that you stole off them in the first place. And it would never occur to these beta male pu55ies to fight back, even though they outnumbered the colonisers and were armed - that's how docile these 'alpha' males are. That's a level of stupidity that's rare to find in humans......phew 

You got some problems geezer!  You shouldn’t let that playground bully that pulled your gutti affect you so much in your adult life.  Get over it and move on!

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I was surprised that they still has some fight in them, after watching videos of the recent protests. I had the impression that after the 80/90s that fighting spirit died.

It's a good thing. I think a gym should open in every pind and wrestling/kabaddi should be encouraged.

After seeing the videos of the protests, there is some hope, because unfortunately I think we're heading towards another very dark period under the Indian government. Its worrying. 

The future seems very uncertain, but they're gnna need that fight. 

 

The future will be handled and preserved by that very group of people that ‘dallysingh’ despises and likes to knock at every opportunity.  It’s the people of the soil that will and are promoting our wrestling, gym and kabaddi culture.  It’s also those people who are resurrecting our culture such as breeding indigenous horses and keeping weapons.  

7 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Some other Sikh subcommunities manage to negotiate the impact of modern times upon their livelihoods better?  Intelligence and inheriting more transferrable skills in a globalised and rapidly changing world. 

Yeh they did!  Some by starching and ironing their turbans to the point they no longer resembled turbans, but more like hard hats.  Some also pushed a fashion where shaving and shaping their beards whilst wearing tiny turbans became the norm and being Sabat Soorat was considered backward.  Some also abandoned their motherland and replaced it by calling a African imperial colony their home.  Some of them also built the first Gurdwaras exclusively to serve and be run by certain surnames.  Some of their children are also championing the LGBT movement in the UK and dress like fudoos.  I could go on all day but that would make me become you.  
 

1 hour ago, DailyMail said:

According to you, therefore, the exponential knife crime in black kids in South London, Birmingham and Manchester is because they are alpha males?

I had no idea that drugs + mindless violence = the new definition of alpha male

It was and always has been those who are alpha that followed that line of work or gang culture.  I have never seen anyone who wears skinny jeans and speaks the Queens English engage in that lifestyle.  I have also never seen a Punjabi Shaheri Bhapa, Kenyan Tharkhan, Delhi and Bombay da Bhapa stand strong with any Morcha for Sikhi or Punjab.  Note that I did not mention Punjabi Tharkhan Sikhs or Majbi Sikhs, because they have given there fair share of heads.  It’s your struggles and  the people you look up to that make you Alpha not the latter that follows ie mindless violence and the crime.  Sometimes if channelled for the right reasons this can be a positive.

12 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Why has 'Jut culture' so heavily brought into this? To the point that Jut boys from rich families in Canada try and live 'gangsta'. I'd love some some elaboration. 

This includes hard drug dealing and murdering other Sikhs over this???

Maybe because Jats are the only remaining group who are still actively alpha amongst the Sikh community.  We could also ask why are Jats the only group to aggressively take on Delhi in the protests.  You can’t knock a group of people who still possess the hot blood needed to take risks.    

25 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

No but hunger and homelessness are problems today which is why I think @shastarSingh is interested in a variety of things the Paanth could grow, make, forage or hunt that would benefit them and positively impact their lifestyle. Cotton doesn't grow everywhere. So if somebody has a mind to grow their own clothes, or create an export product, interest in hemp makes sense. 

Put your mind to trying to sustain Jathas in varying climates from scratch, for self determination or to survive unrest and you'll get his vibe more I think. 

Bro I think eradicating hunger and homelessness has nothing to do with this topic especially when title for this topic is ‘Cannabis vs Alcohol’.  You do not need to Einstein to figure out what elements of Cannabis the poster is trying to compare.

47 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

hemp doesn't get u high and is a wonder plant that can give u food, clothing and house.

We live in the 21st Century!  Nihung Singhs bana is made from cotton as it always was.  Nihung Singhs to this day do not use hemp for dietary needs.  Nihung Singhs do not live in houses made from hemp.  

47 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

marijuana gets u high and can cure any disease known to man including cancer.

Marijuana also carries the risk of triggering one the worst diseases ‘schizophrenia’ losing your mind.  This disease is no good for any Tyar bey Tyar Singh. 

47 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

but if u do ninda of shaheedi degh and jhatka, u r not a nihang Singh.

The biggest ninda is when you make rituals out practices that were a part of our glorious warriors day to day life.  Indulging in these practices when one not living the life of Nihung Singh is ninda.

27 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Who cares when Sukha works and the pharma kills you. At the least reefer madness kids didn't judge you as you died?

I've never heard or seen Sukha exacerbate anyone's schizophrenia and infact the schizophrenics I worked with were taking oral cbd solution three times daily.  

Have you ever read the known side effects of pharma?

I have personally never seen any young Nihung Singh excel from using Cannabis but you can’t take my personal encounters and discount anybody’s medical findings regarding the use.  The same should apply to you when you make claims about your encounter with schizophrenia.  The fact is that Cannabis does have a link to psychosis and schizophrenia and this is backed up by research.

Regarding modern pharma and negative affects, this is too deep to even converse on.  I do know that when Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj was injured from a wound inflicted by a dagger, a European Surgeon was given the task to tend the wound.  For that time you could say that this was the use of modern medical practice.  I also know that Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj also possessed modern weapons.  This tells us that our Guru was in favour of modern warfare as well as modern medical practices.

So my question to you is why are you afraid of modern medicine and why are you on the path to making a ritual of preserving something that was used for specific scenarios of the time. 

On 2/26/2021 at 4:45 PM, shastarSingh said:

Cannabis comes in 2 forms: hemp and marijuana 

Both these forms r a gift of God.

Shaheedi degh is the best medicine in the world.

Could you elaborate what bimaari is that you are trying to medicate?  Also can you reference where it is written that hemp and marijuana are a ‘gift from god’.

I’d also like to ask if the benefits can out way risks of triggering schizophrenia and also what is there a need for it, if it carries a social stigma when you can easily get your hands on modern pharmaceutical medicine which can cure or treat ailments. 
 

Also understand that I am not knocking you for promoting its use, but I just want understand what it is within Jhatka meat and Cannabis that so many young Singhs are searching for?  What does one lack in day to day functioning if you refrain from these.  Also does one become a better Sikh for using it.  Also does a Nihung Singh that refrains from meat and cannabis no longer become a Nihung Singh if he refrains from these.

7 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Nihang Singhs make their langar on wood only.

A charrdikala nihang Singh told me that the trees whose wood is used for Guru ka Langar enter the path of liberation.

This way Nihungs r liberating so many souls of the trees daily.

As per my understanding which might be incorrect, I always thought the wood used is from dead branches as they are dry and cured perfect for firewood.  The trees are still living as whole living trees are not felled.

 Even if they are alive and dead branches from the trees are used, then they are still gathering kamai later for their liberation.  
The same could be applied to the ingredients used for the preparation of Langar.  

7 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Where do you see Sikhs 50 years from today in the UK? what will they be like ? what will be considered acceptable and normal 50s years in the future?  What will be the state of Sikhi ?    

I will probably be dead, which is great. 

 Bro if you remember the 80’s you will have picture in your mind where everyone was pretty much Monah.  I remember men being carried out blind drunk out of weddings all the time.  I must admit there was more ‘bhaichara’ amongst people, but boy they were shameless when It came down to drinking culture.  Now fast forward to present time you see less people getting blind drunk at weddings but admittedly women are now drinking in the open.  You also se so many Dumala wearing Singhs and Singhnia which never seen 30 years back.  All is not lost, if anything we are moving forward positively.  Chardikala vich rehna sikh!

On 2/1/2021 at 6:47 PM, MokhamSingh said:

Really good art!  So much symbolism going on in the composition.  I like that the baaj is being given water out of a sarbloh utensil.  I can also see that Guru Sahib is dressed in regal attire yet sitting crossed legged to symbolise humility and close to hand is Guru Sahibs Shastar. Bhagti  and Shakti both working in harmony.  Also I can also see the historical relic the ‘Ganga Sagar’ in the composition.  Art doesn’t necessarily lead to idol worship and can be used powerfully in portraying history.

12 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

If I was in charge my first priority would be not to view civilian Sikhs as collateral to be expended in a struggle with the state. I couldn't live with the blood of Sikh families on my hands because I failed to make a sensible plan. The frontline guys, while physically brave, need to understand not everyone in our community has that Khalsa fighting spirit and desire to see things through. In an ideal world we all should be latent warriors ready to heed the call and kick a55 when required, but reality suggests that's not the case. One of the reasons some apne turned against the lehar of the 80s was when they directly lost loved ones at the hands of the Indian mobs and police goons. Rather than blame the state for their illegal actions, apne turned against Singhs and blamed them for kicking things off. There's still many Sikhs around today who were turned off from the religious aspect of Sikhi due to losing family members in the purges, or at least that's how they justify it. We can't afford to lose support of our own in this way. It weakens us. 

The true reality of what happened in the ‘Eighties’ has only surfaced in the last decade and that’s once perpetrators have started to blow the whistle.  There was a very small element of Kharku’s that joined the Khalistan Movement to create a separate state.  Most were pushed into the movement because of personal loss and first hand treatment by the security forces.  The truth is civilian Singhs were being hunted and joined the movement to fight against the state murder squads.  Khalistan movement was born from the state sponsored genocide.  The Kharkus had full support from villagers in the early stages but the security forces targeted ordinary villagers via torture, extortion ,rape and murder and soon the support turned to resentment for the Kharkus.  All of this documented interviews and biographies from the state machinery that was involved.  Times are somewhat different now as communication channels are much better in the world and diaspora Sikhs are in a much stronger position than the eighties.  Nobody wants a violent separation and it doesn’t need to be either but for this to happen we have stay disciplined and stay united.  We have proved to the wider world what a powerful  asset Sikhs are to the world community and all we need to do now is make sure our voices are heard in the right places. 

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

 

I hope there's a plan this time that doesn't involve Pakistan. 

The destination is the most important and to be honest if they want to assist then so be it.  To be honest I don’t think there in any position to do anything as they are broke and fighting for their own survival.  No difference in human rights violations and corruption than all other South Asian so called democracies.  If anything the region needs a new ‘Nation’ that could be a shining beacon to shame other countries to lift their game.  We could easily fill that void and maybe that what the plan is!

31 minutes ago, puzzled said:

As someone who was mona myself a few years back, and still am surrounded by mainly monas, do you guys know what most monay really think and say about the appearance of Singhs? In their own circles? 

Being a ‘Mona’ is not a ethnicity neither is it genetic, on the contrary having unshorn hair is part of our DNA.  We can’t lump a group based upon their hairstyles together and tar them with the same brush.  To be honest if your a ‘fudhoo’ you will think and behave like one whether you have unshorn or shorn hair.  Those same people that laugh at beards are the same people who helped beard care product start-ups become multi-millionaires when long beards became the must have fashion style.  
Wake up and look at the real world around you, not just the virtual one.  People are becoming aligned with Sikhi whether it’s subconsciously or consciously.  People around the world are becoming vegetarians and vegans, youngsters are moving away from alcohol/drugs, women are embracing natural beauty, women are becoming empowered, men are shunning the clean shaven look, people are concerned about their environment and people are becoming spiritual.  Sounds familiar doesn’t it? 

And meanwhile we are still pushing and passing the same arguments!

33 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

I am not sure what to think of Deep Sidhu. Some people are saying he has ties to the RSS and has bad intentions, some people are saying he has good intentions, and lots of people are saying everything in between.

Okay, I won't push anyone away. I don't have the power to push anyone away anyway, since I have no influence. As the angry mona guy with the kharkus in his profile pic said, I am a "nobody."

 

Was Sant Ji pushing people away by suggesting that if monay have a problem keeping their beards, they should do ardas to become women?

 

Perhaps Sant Ji made the miscalculation of trying to appeal to a sense of shame that he assumed we had inside of us. Sadly, the Sikh community has little sharam left. Cutting kesh used to be viewed as a shameful, traitorous, cowardly act. Now it is normal. No shame in dressing up as pretend singhs for anand karajs. No shame in putting on sloppy parnas to pretend to be singhs whenver it is convenient. No shame in choosing to look like Hindus.

I understand and share your frustration and I’m don’t think it is always wrong to shame someone to wake them up.  ‘I also agee with everything that Sant Ji has said’

The present situation is that Punjab and its youth have been in slumber for the best part of 3 decades now and finally people are waking to the States plans to eliminate their culture, religion and livelihoods.  Those people are asking questions and re-evaluating their positions within the state. No doubt Sikhi is going to answer many of their questions and many will become Kesadhari as direct result to recent events.

The backdrop is very similar to the 80’s, Sant Ji was seeing a generation that was in slumber and needed waking up.  Sant had the personality to insult them at the same time embrace them as their children.  He was like a father looking after his children and him scolding his children to do the right thing can never be questioned.

Fast forward to present times.  We have the same backdrop and we have the same hunger to take on the State but we do not have a Leader on the level of Sant Ji.  We have some personalities that are coming forward and no doubt many have been planted and many will doubted.  If we shoot down all the potential Leaders such as Deep Sidhu and Lakha Sidhana, then we are in danger of deterring any future Leadership that could prove to be the only voice that looks after Sikh interests .  Only time will tell but we need to give people a chance and we need to stay united.

Lastly I’d like to add Sant Ji also said ‘that our people should not engage in a bharaa Marroo Jangh’.  Let’s not fight between ourselves.  

1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

Since people here have a problem with me stating the truth about monay, forget about me.

Here you can listen to what Sant Ji has to say about monay.

Are you going to accuse him of being "divisive" and "judgmental"? Or chastise him for "hating on Sikhs with haircuts"?

Will you continue to heap praise on clowns like Deep Sidhu who pretend to hold him in high regard but take time out of every day of their lives to shave?

Will you finally realize that monay with khanda tattoos and monay posting sant ji's photos on their social media pages are shameless and spineless?

 

 

Would your viewpoint change about ‘Deep Sidhu’ if he were to become kesadhari?  Also who’s to say that he isn’t going too, the same goes for all moneh too.  I look at it in two ways, the first being that some are fortunate and blessed to have been Kesadhari from birth and remained throughout.  The second being that some have been moneh from day one and have grown spiritually and the kesh have blossomed as a result.  Similar to a tree that has blossomed externally when fully matured a little later.  Yes Kesh are very important to a Sikh but you can’t measure someone’s spirit by that alone.  Let the ones who are not blessed with Kesh to blossom when they are ready.  Don’t push them away!

3 hours ago, singhdalbir said:

Here you go. and Listen to Bibi Khalras video and she says it straight that this guy is a BJP agent. and he is seen handing out with BJP leaders. Yet this is the guy who asks for khalistan but hes best buddies are BJP people. Really who stupid do you think people are.

Listen bro!  Bibi Khalaras video is an opinion not fact.  The opinion of many at the beginning of the morch was one of being ‘suspicious’.  These are just feelings and emotions. 
 

Photos of Deep Sidhu with Sunny Deol and BJP leaders is nothing new or too alarming to jump to any conclusions.  If yo follow politics you would would know that after ‘Vinod Khanna’ passed the seat for Gurdaspur became vacant.  BJP needed a new candidate and Gurdaspur always did well with a celebrity political candidate so Sunny Deol was offered the ticket.  Deep Sidhu being a close personal friend of the Deols at the time helped Sunny Deol for his election campaign.  The photos with Modi and Amit Shah were obviously going to surface as it was part of the campaign. Had Sunny Deol been given a Congress ticket then photos would have had Captain Amrinder, Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi. 
These Photos wouldn’t even exist if Sunny Deol was not given the BJP ticket.  

1 hour ago, DSG said:

Theres always 2 sides to the story. One question , why doesn't Deep Sidhu , go back to the Morcha and explain to the sangat what really happened. If his intentions are not to defame the morcha. Why not come out if he has nothing to hide and is a true sikh , with honest agenda . Such a shame , listening to couple of his speeches , he comes across as a good character .

Loads of questions around how he got to the red fort , when confronted by youth why he ran away , where did he get the motorcycle from to flee Red fort …..

The video about the Singh who put up the Nishaan Sahib was seen and he stated when they went to the red fort , it was calm , peaceful but then the Police started to beat up a Nihang Singh , then in defense the other Nihangs came to help him then it all kicked off.

 

All the information is out there!  Deep Sidhu has personally expressed his version of the events and also credible personalities that were present at the red fort have given their account of the day.  You also need to understand the events leading up to the parade towards the Red Fort especially what happened night before.  The Kissan leaders knew exactly what the sentiments of the Youth were but chose to bury their heads in the sand and completely ignored the requests that were made to calm the situation.  Lakha and Deep were called to the stage to intervene calm the situation as no comrades were to be seen.  Had it not been for them the Youth were ready to march towards Delhi right there and then.  
Don’t you think it was premature for Rajewal to single out Deep Sidhu without a complete investigation into the matter.  The truth is the Comrades Sh4t themselves and shifted the blame to avoid charges on themselves as they were the ones who were completely responsible for not directing, calming and leading the youth the night before.  What was the need for such quick blame before knowing the facts.  Weak leadership is the cause for this and usual traits of old men alienating the youth is at play here.