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1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh
This is a subject that troubles me ...if we have dishonoured our Guru ji by removing his Nishaan Sahib and allowed through ignorance the signs of ghulami on our Guru asthaan even our heads. I remember bringing up the subject of peela and neela nishaan sahibs at Akal Takht in olden times and got shot down but there are photos in the video
Turban video for those who are interesting:
Agreed! I have seen this video recently and the one thing new I learned other than the colour being blue was that the shape of the Nishan is completely wrong. The point on the Nishan Sahib should be at the highest point of the triangular shape not the lowest. The Farla should be just below the teer at the top. All of these are missing in the present Nishan Sahib and it’s baffling how we have ended up with something that is not even remotely true to the original design.
I would also like to see the original Nishan Sahib reinstated and also the design to be incorporated in the future flag of Khalistan. This would give credibility in the argument of Khalsa Raj being a legitimate historical calling not something that is a post 84 modern concept.
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8 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:
I agree. Its basically the same thing as a typical Punjabi household. I'd hope Jagmeet Singh had the beach section cleaned etc before, alcohol kept away during the time Saroop was present there.
I don’t think it’s about maintaining a pure environment just for the Laavan ceremony. It’s a mockery of the ceremony if the newlywed couple have just committed to have Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the center of their married lives and to then go on and Party. This is not expected from and Amritdhari and I thought being a public figure Jagmeet Singh would have thought carefully about this.
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3 hours ago, MrDoaba said:
Do you think these would work....
Bro! I know this is banter but ‘Disability’ should never be mocked or used in this way.
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23 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:
Would it be different if it was a beach that was not used for partying etc?
The Guru Saroop is taken to the streets every year in Nagar Kirtans throughout the world. The question is about maintaining the sanctity of the Saroop. If the place is serving alcohol, meat or playing lachar songs (ie Punjabi Wedding) then this unacceptable. This is what the Hukamnama form the Akal Takht is about and it should extend to Akhand Paths in homes where these activities take place.
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The bachans of the great Sant! To all the the disbelievers Khalsa Raj is inevitable!
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4 hours ago, Singh2017 said:
VJKK VJKF
Khalsa Ji, as far as I am aware they were not against or for Khalistan. Unfortunately for you Ji, there is only one video and that says they are are neither for or against so that may confuse you more somewhat. They wanted equal rights for the Sikhs, oppression against the Sikhs to be stopped in India and for the Anandpur Resolution to be carried out whereby the Sikhs would be recognised as a different religion to the Hindus as per the Indian Constitution. I don't think Khalistan was their main aim as far as priorities lay with Sant Ji.
I am not too clued up on 1984 however daas has been trying to read up on some modern ithaas lately and one of the things that there has been much speculation over is whether or not Sant Ji said the following, "I don't need to campaign about Khalistan. When the Indian Government attack Harimandir Sahib, the foundations for Khalistan will already be laid by itself". I myself have found no sources that coincide with the alledged statement however if anyone can shed some light on this it would be greatly appreciated Ji.
Maaf karna for any mistakes I've made Ji.
Vaheguru Ji.
The first few lines of the speech referring to the aftermath of the attack on Akal Takht.
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10 hours ago, DarshaPyasi1984 said:
isn't it amazing to wonder how sant bhindranwale is still affecting our present today.
Many major things happening to our sikh kaum can be related to the bachans of sant bhindranwale.
This whole issue between Canada and India today is because of what happened to sant bhindranwale and all sikhs in 1980's and late 70's.
Sant ji's bachan was that when darbar sahib would be attacked, the foundation for khalistan would be laid.
I think Canada might be the place where Khalistan is established, and this whole movement is from the bachans from sant bhindranwale in seva of guru sahib. We can never truly know the entire greatness of the sants who walk on guru sahib's path. I tried to keep my ideas brief.
ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸੰਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਹਰਿ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ॥
I can recall a speech by Sant Jarnail Khalsa Bhindranwale where he refers to Singhs asking him a question “Sant Ji when will Khalistan be made?” Sant ji says “Khalistan will be made when all Sikhs become Khalse”
This is a simple reply but the logic in the bachan makes complete sense. You can see Indra understood this as it is evident with Amritdhari Sikhs being hunted after Bluestar. You can still see this now as the Government of India have used all sorts of tactics to insure Sikh youth in Punjab discard Sikhi in favour of a secular lifestyle. Our Sikh institutions including SGPC have failed to take Sikhi to the youth. Even Sikh diaspora have failed to work on this in the villages of Punjab.
I recall hearing about the number of Sikhs taking Amrit during the time of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji at Darbar Sahib. The figure was 4000 every week and the figures now are now post 84 at best 4000 a year. In fact there is no longer a weekly Amrit Sanchar at Darbar Sahib.
Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa bhindranwale has given us the bachan and the key to unlock Khalistan is with increasing the numbers of Khalse.
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4 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
the fat slug excuse of a CM finally got shamed into swallowing his self-generated Ish and told to met with Justin because Gujarat got juicy deals , that is the true function of sellout of Patiala to run interference and create obstructions to the hope and investment into Punjab for his masters.
The guy is the biggest besharam on the planet. He’s sitting as the CM of an State in independent India but his family were working hand in glove with the British during the Raj. How has he been able to escape his shadow for so long and why is his family history not thrown at his humongous bootha when he goes off on an Patriotic fit.
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Justin Trudeau has been snubbed by the senior members of the Modi BJP Government. In fact this stretches to not just the Political Party but also to the Indian Media. No senior officials have welcomed or accompanied Trudeau during his tour of Gujarat or Agra.
Amritsar on the other hand has shown great hospitality to Trudeau with the SGPC, Akali Dal and Congress senior Politicians all eagerly greeting him and his family to the city and Darbar Sahib.
The treatments of Trudeau is all very public and the questions of ‘Khalistan’ and the Canadian stance on the subject is all over the news now. Even Captain Arminder couldn’t resist bringing up the subject in his brief meeting at the Taj hotel today. He also had the nerve to accuse Canadian Sikhs of financing militancy in Punjab and directing targeted assassinations.
Modi is scheduled to meet Justin Trudeau during the week and we can all expect to hear the same sound bites. Will Sikhs in Canada be sacrificed for trade between the two countries and what will Justin Trudeau make of his trip to India?
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2 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:
Comically, I don't think you realise TigerForce, that Jagmeet Singh represents that 3rd party in Canadian politics. Thing the Lib Dems in the UK....and then halve that clout. And, the only credible candidate for that job as leader of this traditional left wing party was Niki Ashton. Jagdeep Singh brought the 3rd world / Gurdwara Committee style of politics into ply by a mass recruitment of Sikhs as party members in order to win his position as leader. I don't know bout you but 3rd world style block party voting without principle or substance is not my cup of tea. And which of his election promises delights the 'Sikhs' so much? Is it is promise to legalize all crack cocaine or is it the promise of free for all heroin ?
Comically Jagsaw-Singh I realise a lot more than you think I do.
Sometimes the 3rd party in any election can end up being the most important Party especially when coalitions come into play. Remember the Liberal Democrats in the last General Election? (although that didn’t end well for them but that’s another topic).
Also there is a big difference between legalise and decriminalise. By decriminalising some drugs you end up removing the exploitation and crime that is adjoinined with drug dealing and smuggling industry. What this means is you are pushing for the lesser evil in eradicating drugs and problems associated with it from society. That in no way means that you support drug use.
You are wrong about Jagmeet Singh he entered Politics to counter the Uncles who were in bed with the Indian Government. He was fed up with the double standards of then Uncles who were were so called Sikh Leaders but never spoke up on Sikh Human Rights issues. The NDP were the only Party who listened and promised to deliver so naturally this was the Party of his choice. This catipulted Jagmeet Singh into mainstream politics and at the same time gave the NDP a new lease of life with far more supporters.
I just don’t get what your problem is with him!
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On 09/02/2018 at 9:42 AM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:
'He' is not Joe Bloggs, a local builder from Localsville. He is a Politician....who wants to get elected as a lawmaker. But even though that means he shoud be held accountable for hypocricy it doesn't matter who he wants to marry. None of us care what any individual does and wants to do in their own private life. But that discussion is not about him as an individual...It's about an Amritdhari thinking his money and power can buy his way out of the rules of being an 'Amritdhari'. It's about him pretending to be an Amritdhari but not being able to live by the rules of being Amritdhari.
I think you’re jumping the gun. You and nobody knows what discussions have taken place about the future of his bride to be.
Nobody is saying he is exempt from the responsibilities which come with being an Amritdhari but maybe he really likes her soul and maybe she has agreed to walk the path of a Gursikh.
You think you are the only ‘Siana Banda’ who can see that this not correct according to rehit. I’m sure Jagmeet Singh has been advised on this so just wait and see.
You should stop this witch hunt and support the only credible political candidate who many Sikhs have been waiting for too long.
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15 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
why was he chatting at the back of the club with the original two ...his spidey sense should have tripped ... they had planned it with their mates ....
Could be a whole host of reasons. Maybe he tried it on with one of their girls, maybe he was in a relationship with one of their girls, maybe he was buying weed or coke from them, maybe he was serving drugs for them and owed them money, maybe he was drunk and taking a leak by the wall and got preyed upon or maybe he was just an innocent lad and was targeted because he is a Sikh. But he was definitely in the wrong place at any given time.
So many reasons only he knows why he was there but the alcohol problem in our community is serious. When you openly drink like our lot do you are naturally going to end up in pubs and clubs at unsavoury hours. You will end up drunk and tipsy and then no matter how well trained you are you will end up in trouble.
This besharam culture needs to be eradicated once and for all. So many times you see this nonsense and usually it starts with child seeing seeing dad and now mum also getting pissed up at home or at family functions.
Again I do feel sorry the lad but I hope he reflects on why he was caught up in such a mess.
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18 hours ago, InderjitS said:My son is currently learning MMA/Tae Kwon do, majority of the class are Muslims and smattering of Hindus. A friend and his sons go boxing, practically all the class are Muslims. The Sikhs that do turn up rarely go the whole course. I respect the sulay for this determination, we all have a role to play so future generations can handle themselves when the time comes.
*I get we are fewer in number but these are areas where there is a relatively large proportion of Sikhs.
Good to see that you are taking proactive steps with your son. This is something that everybody should do.
The difference between the Muslims and our lot is that the ones who do take up combat sports such as MMA and Boxing is that our lot are usually pushed by parents who see the bigger picture. The Muslim lads usually grow up in large households where they are fighting for everything with their siblings whether that’s food, a spot on the sofa, gadgets or attention from parents. They are mostly living in ghetto environments and are fighting for survival everyday this creates a snatch and protect mindset. This naturally leads them to the doors of gyms and fight clubs where they can spend time away from their homes and develop their skills. This ends with a difference of needing to take up combat sports for survival and doing it for a hobby.
Ghettos breed angry young men who learn how to fight to survive. Our lot have passed the ghetto stage and this reflects the lack of professional fighters we have in combat sports. Our youngsters have everything given to them on a silver plate to the point hunger and survival instincts become dormant. This is complex situation which needs an effort from both parents and child from an early age. Difficult situation for parents because you want to give your children everything to be comfortable but by doing so you are creating a generation which has no survival skills or ability to face and thrive in hostile situations.
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4 hours ago, Guest Jas S Virdee said:Do you know that history is full of psy-ops on Halloween day? That's one of their favourite days to pull off a staged event/death hoax. E.g http://mileswmathis.com/river.pdf
What evidence do we have that she died on 31 Oct 1984?
1.A few witness reports who didn't actually see the event? Read them there are loopholes everywhere.
2.An artist's painting that shows her getting shot? Where are the photographs of her at the scene/in the immediate aftermath or even in the hospital?
3. Because the media said so?
There are so many points to consider and please do not cite that her body was at the funeral as evidence that she was assassinated, because that is just a presumption as i will expound below...
Firstly take a look at the funeral video. Look at Rajiv's face and body language? Anything odd there?
Also we can clearly see the face of Indira in the coffin. Does it look like a 4 day old corpse? I have seen dead bodies and been to morgues regularly. In my opinion it looks like a wax sculpture like in Madame Tussaud's. Look at the eyelids, they are not natural at all and are the hardest thing to look real in wax work. it looks artificial and manufactured. They did a poor job.
If you think this is beyond the realm of possibility know that people have been doing this for centuries! Tussaud's first wax sculpture being in 1777.
Take a look at things with an open mind.
Do you actually think that she would choose to die given the same results could be achieved if her death was staged???
This is Indira we are talking about. The elite don't kill their own. History is written by those that are in power. You are just meant to lap it up and believe it all like sheep.
Denial is the first stage of the grieving process, since we have been lied to our whole lives. So I can understand some of your reactions.
Lagdaa Sukha kush jaada khich leyaa!
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1 minute ago, Ranjeet01 said:The only thing you can do in that situation is run!
In order to do that you need to have cardiovascular conditioning and ideally not be drunk. Most of our youth are out of shape in all physical departments.
The young lad had no clue about where he was. The guy is backed up in a dead end before they even reach him. The best you can do in that situation is land one on the biggest guy and move quick. And if does end up in the ground then make sure you cover up well. But to do anything you need to sober and in control.
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The Sikh lad wanted no part of any confrontation. You can see in his body language that he was backing up as soon as they started to walk up to him. The smallest guy out of the pack was the one that landed that blow. I remember seeing this up and down the country outside clubs when I was younger. Apne lads getting sparked out when drunk. ‘Je peeni aah taan fir shittar raj ke khao’.
The difference between our lads and Muslim lads out on a night out is that our lot go to get drunk and fall about like idiots. The Muslims train during the day and enter the clubs sober and leave the clubs sober at the end of the night. Then they go looking to hand out beatings to our drunk youngsters who are in no shape to defend themselves.
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54 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:
So I broke off a an egagement And now Im trying to do it again. but now that trust is broken. not sure how I can reeasure the other party except give my word that it wont happen again. this is in india btw.
Any ideas how I can get thia marriage back on track.
You can start by telling them today’s exchange rate.
No serious you should just tell them you got nervous about the whole thing and needed time out to sort your head out.
Good Luck!
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16 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
when you choose to distance yourself from the family there is more pressure to deal with everything yourselves rather than relying on help of caring people e.g. sudden illness, new baby , death etc. It is a lot to ask of immature adults which is the case of current crop
You’re right! I’m sure it’s a struggle to get through life without the help and support of the extended family. For many being perceived as trendy, so called modern and independent is more palatable than having to learn to accommodate others.
The truth is nobody wants to invest time for others. From once being caring social animals the new generation are fast discarding the skills needed to communicate with their own choice of partners and the wider extended ‘bhai chaara’ around them. But this all needs to happen in order for ‘Kalyug’ to pass for the new ‘Yug’. Time never changes it’s just the way people behave.
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8 hours ago, superkaur said:Over the decade I have noticed a sharp increase in divorce rates within the Sikh community. We used to look at the white atheist/abrahamic communities and thank our lucky stars were not like their families because of the high number of divorces and family break downs. But sadly the desi/asian communities of all religions are now on par with their white counterparts.
It seems to me that boys and girls especially of our generation do not take the wedding vows or the anand karaj seriously they seem to live in carefree non-religious mindset without a care for how sikh society is structured and importance of religion in holding communities and families together. The girls of today are living a feminist rebellious bubble thinking they can do what they live when they live even while living with the husbands family and if they don't let them get away with things then they are quick to separate and then divorce. They have not been trained, educated and breed to behave to live a honorable and respectful manor befitting of a Sikh woman rather they are left to their own devices of living like their white women feminist hedonist counterparts who are themselves not very family orientated and selfish at heart.
What we need is a 1 month course of anyone wishing to have a sikh marriage anand karaj so that they do not take the marriage as a joke or lightly and think they can divorce when ever they feel like it. I believe the catholic church has a course like this for those who converting to cathollicism in order to marry in their churchs.
Has anyone else noticed this negative trend divorce trend? And what are the possible solutions to it.
There is no solution! Welcome to Kalyug.
People have changed along with the challenges of the times. Both men and women are getting married at a later age (30+) so they no longer have the tolerance to accommodate their partner or their partners families. The too set in their ways of what the perceive as being comfortable.
In 80’s it wasn’t uncommon to see a bride and groom get married between the age 18-21. You would regularly see girls who were put through education by the in-laws and slowly moving towards a career path within a few years into the marriage. The boy would often be in the same situation and probably clueless about their future. The married couple were still in their youth and were slowly growing into adulthood with the presence and advise of elders within the family unit. Somehow this setup worked quite well and still kept the marriages strong and successful.Nowadays everybody wants the complete article before marriage, usually comprising of education of some importance, well settled in a career, a big salary, a business, big detached house, a nice car, multiple properties to boast about, money in the bank for holidays and the cherry on top is no in-laws within 5 miles.The success of the marriages of the previous generations were down to being young and sharing hardship along the way. Sometimes this is the glue that keeps families together. Joint decisions come into play and you are forced sacrifice yourselves for the sake of others. This is not seen now as people are so selfish and impatient for material wealth and so called independence that they are ruthless when it comes down tolerating anyone other than themselves.But the odd thing is they are still unhappy!7 -
5 hours ago, InderjitS said:
A joint effort with Kashmiris has grabbed the headlines. Never in all these years have I heard of a counter protest by pro going supporters.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/273844-indian-authorities-rattled-by-kashmiri-and-sikh-protest-in-london
This smells of British Government involvement. Similar tactics have have been used by the British Government when BNP, EDL and UKIP rallies have been planned. It is well known for the British Government to call various organisations to stage a counter protest . The idea was probably to shut down voices and create an hostile atmosphere so that Sikh and Kashmiris could be labelled as extremists.
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23 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:Seriously, how on earth do you start dreaming 'anger' and 'krodh' into this whole thing ?
You missed ‘jealousy’ I said that too or maybe you agree with me on that one.
I sense your vein on the side of your head about to burst. You hate me now too.
Just chill out geezer! Put on some velvet slippers, light a dhoof, brew some camomile and listen to some Marvin Gaye or something.
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5 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:He's an opportunist who will say and do anything to satisfy his ego for power. To the Sikhs, he tells us what we want to hear. To the masses, he also tells them what they want to hear : Like his promises to legalize all Heroin and Crack Cocaine in Canada if elected.
In his first ever interview when he became an MP he said he used modelling in fashion magazines as a springboard to become an MP. His political opponents even today say he sets up media confrontations in order to sell himself. This ego obsessed individual lives and breathes PR. He plays us as well as he plays the media.
Two things there: They recently got engaged but he's stated they've been boyfriend and girlfriend for a long time now. Not only does that beg the question if she hasn't been able to take Sikhi on board after a few years what makes anyone think she will now but also what ego within an amritdhari man led him to chase and persue a sexual relationship with a waxed and hair-cutted girl ? Secondly, there is absolutely nothing wrong with any person wishing to cut their hair. That is a personal choice for each individual and must be respected. The issue however is that this man baptised himself into the Khalsa and that Khalsa has a code of conduct (maryada). Maryada is Guru ji's hukam. Apparently he thinks he is above HIS hukam. We, as HIS sons all have a duty to pull this man down to his rightful place.
Too much ‘Krodh’ will your destroy your soul. You should do breathing exercises and do lots of naam simran. This much nindia, hatred and jealousy is not the way of a Khalsa.
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53 minutes ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:His political opponents say he is a man of style but absolutely no substance, who will say and do anything to accumulate power.
The Sikh masses like him because he makes them feel that someone 'normal' just like them has risen to the top. There is nothing 'normal' however of being born into a millionaire doctors family and spending your whole childhood in an elite north American £35,000 a year boarding school. In that respect we've simply replaced the usual rich priviledged lot that take power for granted with another one that looks a bit more like us.
What kind of 'Amrit' was it that Jagmeet Singh took that makes him think he is above Guru ji's hukam and maryada ? Like Trump, is it not another case of the rich and powerful thinking they can make up their own moral codes as their lust / ego desires.
Come on don’t be so harsh on him! He’s a solid banda who is fighting for Sikh causes. This video is all about warming to those sceptical White Canadians. PR exercise nothing more.
As far as his partner goes who knows what conversations have taken place between the two. Maybe she will take her Amrit from when they are officially married. Besides there are 101 Amritdhari girls who walk around who also wax and pluck so I don’t think Jagmeet Singhs fiancé can be pulled up on this yet.
Also are seriously going to hold his privileged upbringing against him. He could have just chased the money and kept off the rador by being a yes man but instead he chose to be vocal about his grievances and chose to represent his community and be their voice when nobody would speak for them.
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3 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:
You said brahmins have created the current reservation order in india !
Infact brahmans despise it the most ! Because the current reservation policy is totally against upper castes, including brahmans .
Let us first admit we have failed . I don't want to beat dead our community over this but considering how good sikhi is in theory but still lagging a little behind in practice. Although we still have good elements like langar , open gurudwaras for all and so on . We just need to move a little further .
Thanks
I don't see any Brahmins who are ready to burn the Manusmriti texts or ready to give up the privileges which come with taking the best and most influential jobs. I don't believe that we as Sikhs have failed but it is the system which is interfering with us that is the cause of our problems. You cannot relieve the symptoms of an illness without locating the cause of it.
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Why do people doubt jhatka and Sukha when there are vast amounts of evidence stating Sikhs practiced both?
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The whole Meat vs Veg argument vs Shaheedi Degh equalling a better warrior is becoming a favourite amongst the youth.