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There is no such thing as moderate Muslims. Let them get some form of numeric preponderance and you will really see moderate. An Amritdhari, in theory, is dedicated. A Sehajdhari is not treated as such.

If we go by Islam itself, then these allies of the Gurus or their followers were not even Muslims. "By the theory of it's origin the Muslim state is a theocracy... In such a state, infidelity is logically equivalent to treason... Therefore, the toleration of any sect outside the fold of Orthodox Islam is no better than compounding with sin... The conversion of the entire population to Islam and the extinction of every form of dissent is the ideal of the Muslim state." - Sarkar, "History of Aurangzeb," vol. III, pg. 248-250. According to the Koran, "the only faith acceptable to Allah is Islam." -3:19. What did Guru Nanak Dev Ji think of Islam? "Make kindness thy mosque, sincerity thy carpet of prayer; what is just thy Koran; modesty thy circumcision; civility thy fasting and so shalt thou be considered a true Muslim." - AGGS Ang. 140. This was directly a challenge to Islam and it's elitism. Dismissed was the mosque, dismissed were the five prayers and the necessities of circumcision, dismissed was the Koran in it's stead a new and more humane formula was created. Yet we still go by the imbecility, respect all faiths. Are we really to respect such faiths where inhumanity is rife? Did our Gurus? Jahangir and Aurangzeb were following Islam when they were committing atrocities (which of course Muslims are attempting to veil through inauthentic sophistry) and our Gurus raised their voices and arms against them. Were our Gurus wrong because they did not respect all faiths? The Vedas, and Hindu scriptures emphasize social stratification on a religious basis i.e. Caste. Were our Gurus wrong in raising their voices and arms against such a system?

Islam is nothing more than an ideology of terrorism, hate and radicalism. This is an individual who has expressed a desire herself to discard such an ideology and adopt a better way of life.

Advice her to read all of Gurbani. For example if we were to concentrate on "Farid kiss the fists of your detractors...' then we would be making the Sixth and Tenth Gurus out to be an antithesis of what we read. I am working on an article regarding this at the moment, will put it up here soon.

I do not believe this to be the case. The hymns of both show a general divergence from Islamic thought.

Were they really Muslims? I think you should read their Saloks as well now.

The fact that there are gullible Sikhs who rely on slogans such as the land of the free etc etc, to deal with their grievances just shows how low we have fallen. Imbecility to it's greatest extant.

Sehajdharis were Sikhs who were not Amritdharis but attempted to follow the ethos. We attempt to impose modern logic on historic events which did not follow such criterion's. Taking Amrit also meant retaining a conspicuous identity which historically (under both Muslims and Hindus) meant a death sentence. The modern day criticism and vilification of Sehajdhairs is due to Babas who eat greatly, lead the sheep like masses on divergent tracks and occasionally lock lips.

I will be blunt, advice her to move out or the next headline in Muslim papers will be, "Pleased be Mohammad. Proud Father Kills Daughter For Conversion..."

Due to a number of rising technical difficulties with Blogger, we have decided to return to our original Wordpress site.Tisarpanth on blogger, however, will still be available as an archive and will occasionally be updated. Winston Churchill once elaborated that to 'change constantly is to be perfect.' Our aim is to be perfect in our mission i.e. reflecting the Sikh past and relating it to the present. In this vein we have also now designed a site which will be much more accessible on SmartPhones and tablets etc. This is not the end of our journey, this is only the beginning. -Tisarpanth. https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/

Either you can tolerate them or either you can strike at their ideology and wipe them out.

To digress slightly: In his multi-volume retelling of the fanatic Aurangzeb's life, and actions, Sir Jadhunath Sarkar makes some very candid and substantiated remarks about the concept of an Islamic state: "By the theory of it's origin the Muslim state is a theocracy... In such a state, infidelity is logically equivalent to treason... Therefore, the toleration of any sect outside the fold of Orthodox (it is imperative to note here "orthodox") Islam is no better than compounding with sin... The conversion of the entire population to Islam and the extinction of every form of dissent is the ideal of the Muslim state." - Sarkar, "History of Aurangzeb," vol. III, pg. 248-250. According to the Koran, "the only faith acceptable to Allah is Islam." -3:19. Given the radical impetus of the Prophet's faith in gaining more "reverts" is it any wonder then that: "A non-Muslim, therefore, cannot be a citizen of the state; he is a member of a depressed class; his status is a modified form of slavery." -Sarkar, pg. 251. In a mockery of the plight of the enslaved Hindus, many orthodox Muslims under Aurangzeb's reign would taunt: "No other religious authority except the great Imam (Hanifa) whose faith we follow, has sanctioned the imposition of the "Jizzya" on Hindus. According to all other theologians, the rule for Hindus is 'either death or Islam...'" -Sarkar, pg. 252. Given this incendiary tendency, it was inevitable that both Sikhi and Islam would clash. Akbar's tolerance was effaced by his rebellious, and alcoholic, son Jahangir. An avid fan of Sheikh Ahmad Sirhindi and the latter's revival of Islamic fundamentalism (yes, it existed even back then), the drunkard would comment: "He (Sirhindi) has made the revival of (Islamic) orthodoxy something of a movement." -Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri quoted in Mujib, M: "The Indian Muslims." Guru Nanak Dev Ji had rejected Islam in all it's forms. Disabusing many Muslims of their elitist notions he would proclaim: "Make kindness thy mosque, sincerity thy carpet of prayer; what is just thy Koran; modesty thy circumcision; civility thy fasting and so shalt thou be considered a true Muslim." - AGGS Ang. 140. This was directly a challenge to Islam and it's elitism. Dismissed was the mosque, dismissed were the five prayers and the necessities of circumcision, dismissed was the Koran in it's stead a new and more humane formula was created. Such tenets, and their practicalities, soon earned the Sikhs the ire of the Islamic clergy. Whilst being tortured Guru Arjan Dev Ji is said to have elucidated: "I bear all this torture to set an example...The true test of faith is in the hour of misery. Without examples to guide, ordinary persons' minds quail in the midst of suffering. In the second place, if he who possesseth power within him, defends not his religion by the open profession thereof the man who possess no such powers will, when put to the torture abjure his faith. The sin will light on the head of him who hath the power but showeth it not and God will deem him an enemy of religion." -Macauliffe, pg. 94-95. The Guru's open "profession" of his faith and it's principles of challenging tyranny head on were the reasons behind his execution by the "Islamic state." What is ironic is that the Guru had the last word against his executioners: "Whatever I possess I spend on the poor, the friendless and the alien. If thou require money than take from me however much you desire; but if thou demand a fine than I will not render you even a single penny! And as to thy edicts demanding censor of certain hymns from the sacred Granth Sahib, nor will I alter nor erase even a single passage. I am a worshiper of the Immortal God, the Supreme Soul of the world. There is no monarch to save him!" -Macauliffe, vol. III, pg. 100. This was a direct attack against the theocratic foundations of the Mughal-Islamic state. The Guru happily accepted death for expressing "dissent" or otherwise practicing and preaching a faith deviant from the Prophet's. The question now is that does the "peaceful" variant of Islam presented by Westernized Muslims hold any credence in light of the faith's own doxa? Are we blindly going to kowtow to their cliched lines, "religion of peace etc etc" whilst their radicals continually massacre us? As Sikhs it is our duty to challenge radical Muslims, wherever they be and whoever they be, as prioritized by our noble and steadfast Gurus.

And now, in a typically Indian fashion, they attempt to change stories: http://www.5abihub.net/news/suno-punjab-police-gurdaspur-sp-behind-pathankot-attack/ The real reason, it seems, is this: The Akali-BJP duo's patent desire to ignore Punjab's economic meltdown and claim "all is well!" We only need one more to join the party and Tyrion can have his very own version of 3 Idiots. http://m.hindustantimes.com/analysis/on-the-brink-of-an-abyss-punjab-s-governance-economy-are-in-shambles/story-9zoQR2xLAmwI362Qu6entJ.html On the other hand, though, it can be argued that an excuse is needed to exert more authoritarian pressure on the Punjab and in order to achieve this the Pathankot attacks have been invited. The Police is the most patent form of political authority and in order to reinforce it additional paramilitary personnel will be dispatched to the Punjab; superficially it will be a "major and much needed police overhaul" but in reality it will just be a strengthening of the Akali-BJP position against any dissent. Come the election times and we will have all anti-Akali/BJP voters either shot dead in encounters or conveniently jailed on sedition charges. Capiche?

I contend that this is too complex for Tyron to comprehend and he will retaliate by classifying us as Class A Mullahs.

But the quality, quality, QUALITY!!!!

Amazingly imbecilic, now you have to wash your face by saying 'oh I have Sikh family members as well...'

Rather than answer me, you just confirmed my original view. 'fKKK advani...' trying to save face now are we?

You can read Advani's own autobiography on this point, he minces no words and even gloats over his role in the entire Operation Bluestar Fiasco. "Turion" is attempting to utilize mass media prints rather than any subjectivity. Patwant Singh, in his The Sikhs, and Jarnail Singh, in Who are the Guilty, substantiate that in order to glorify themselves at the expense of another's misery the BJP and RSS would spin fabrications regarding their philanthropy during the riots. In reality they were only spectators, who desired to earn easy votes by presenting themselves as some Supermen of sorts. Secondly, you quote Khushwant Singh yet the same Singh was slated for "penalty" by the fascist Hindu camp (RSS, BJP, VHP etc etc) for his anti-Hindutva comments. Amazing, and here you argue the BJP is not corrupt. Shooting yourself in the foot much?

Avtar Singh Gill, Barrister, in his narrative of the 80's provides several cases where many Sikh policemen and soldiers were killed by fascist Hindu mobs. Surprisingly the victims' Hindu colleagues stood there quietly or even joined in that's how united they were with Sikhs. Ensaaf is also dealing with similar cases.

You Indian agent? Can you please share your secret paneer makhni recipe with me?

Why don't you get a new line, rather than 80 year old "because I have nothing better to say, you are a Pakistani Muslim!" Seriously for all the excreta you pull out of your rear end screaming, "unity, we are united! Unity, we are united!" the Pakistanis still annually slaughter your army men and your civilians. And who was Sarbjit? Your chacha, if not a Hindustani terrorist?

Pre-mediated laxity in security to place Punjab under President's rule? Shut Sikh activism down for good via utilizing "security" as a veil. Chanakaya would be proud of such a maneuver.

Pakistan, owing to Sunni Islam (form of Islam most prone to terrorism) is capable of committing such acts but for all of India's (and by default Indians') "phu, phu" (we are this, we are that) it still goes to show how the state continually fails to preserve it's own citizens. On the other hand relax. This isn't Mumbai or Delhi, this is the failed state of Punjab, run by the BJP-Akali coalition, which doesn't matter much.

Another failing of the Indian state.

A bit of background on Sikh warriordom and Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji: http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.nz/2015/12/the-cherisher-of-humanity.html?view=magazine