Kaal

Firstly, let me show you HOW HIGH GURU NANAK IS – siqgur nwnk dyau hY prmysru soeI] sathigur naanak dhaeo hai paramaesar soee|| Guru Nanak is the True Guru and is God Himself. guru AMgdu guru AMg qy joqI joiq smoeI] gur a(n)gadh gur a(n)g thae jothee joth samoee|| From the limb of this Guru was created Guru Angad and his flame merged in his (Guru Angad’s) flame. Amrwpdu guru AMgdhuM huie jwxu jxoeI] amaraapadh gur a(n)gadhahu hue jaan janoee|| From Guru Angad the omniscient Guru Amar Das emerged who was given the status of Guru. guru AmrhuN gur rwmdws AMimRq rsu BoeI] gur amarahu gur raamadhaas a(n)mrith ras bhoee|| From Amar Das came into being Guru Ram Das who was drinker of the nectar. rwmdwshuN Arjn gurU guru sbd sQoeI] raamadhaasahu arajan guroo gur sabadh sathhoee|| From Ram Das came Guru Arjan Dev, the companion of the Guru’s word. hirgoivMd guru ArjnhuN guru goivMdu hoeI] harigovi(n)dh gur arajanahu gur govi(n)dh hoee|| From Guru Arjan emerged Guru Hargobind, Guru and God is one. gurmuiK suKPl iprm rsu siqsMg AloeI] guramukh sukhafal piram ras sathisa(n)g aloee|| The Gurmukhs in the Holy Congregation came face to face of the pleasure fruit of loving delight. guru goivMdhuN bwihrw dUjw nhI koeI ]20]38] gur govi(n)dhahu baahiraa dhoojaa nehee koee ||20||38|| Nothing in the world is outside the Guru and God.(20)(38) (Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Vaar) Secondly, I am going to use Ajaamal as an example instead of Raja Janak because I doubt you know the actual name of God he recited. The name Ajaamal recited has been mentioned in Gurbani as Narayan. Gurbani states this about ajaamal – ਅਜੈਮਲ ਕੀਓ ਬੈਕੁੰਠਹਿ ਥਾਨ ॥ and gave Ajaamal a place in heaven. And – ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਮੁਕਤ ਭਏ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨੋ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Remembering Him in meditation, even Ajaamal the robber and Ganikaa the prostitute were liberated; let your soul know this. ||1||Pause|| In literal meaning, BAIKUNTH IS VISHNU’S REALM. If you do not know then study Dasam Granth. Both shabad tuks above say that he obtained a place in heaven (not saachkhand) and received mukti by reciting Narayan. However, Guru Gobind Singh Jee in Dasam Granth devalues the name Narayan in a shabad which is calling certain practices wrong – ਸੂਰਜ ਸਿਵਯਾ ਤਾਹਿ ਕੌਲ ਕੀ ਬਡਯਾ ਦੇਤ ਚੰਦ੍ਰਮਾ ਸਿਵਯਾ ਕੌ ਕਵੀ ਕੈ ਪਹਿਚਾਨੀਐ ॥੩॥੭੩॥ One who worships the sun, may be symbolized as lotus and one, who worships the moon may be recognized as water-lily (The lotus blooms on seeing the sun and the water-lily blossoms on seeing the moon). 3.73. ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕੱਛ ਮੱਛ ਤਿੰਦੂਆ ਕਹਤ ਸਭ ਕਉਲ ਨਾਭ ਕਉਲ ਜਿਹ ਤਾਲ ਮੈਂ ਰਹਤੁ ਹੈਂ ॥ If the Name of the Lord is Narayana (One whose house is in water), then Kachh (tortoise incarnation), Machh (fish incarnation) and Tandooaa (octopus) will be called Naryana and if the Name of the Lord is Kaul-Naabh (Navel-lotus), then the tank in which the lotus has grown, its name is also Kaul-Naabh. Just as Ram, Har, Allah are Kirtam Names of God so is Narayan but here Guru Sahib says it’s lowly and meaningless to recite such a name whereas Gurbani states he obtained mukti from reciting it. It clearly means he only obtained temporary mukti in heaven (baikunth) but only went Saachkhand now in this yug through Guru Nanak. Why would Guru Sahib put a Kirtam Naam down when it can truly liberate us? The shabad below is in praise of Guru Nanak by the Bhatts, in there it says that Raja Janak sings praises of Guru Nanak and so do millions of other beings. Why would they sing his praises? ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਬਸਿਓ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਰਿਦੰਤਰਿ ॥ He mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoys sovereignty over both worlds; the Lord, beyond hate and revenge, is enshrined within His Heart. ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਗਲ ਉਧਰੀ ਨਾਮਿ ਲੇ ਤਰਿਓ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ॥ The whole world is saved, and carried across, chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਸਨਕਾਦਿ ਆਦਿ ਜਨਕਾਦਿ ਜੁਗਹ ਲਗਿ ॥ Sanak and Janak and the others sing His Praises, age after age. ਧੰਨਿ ਧੰਨਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਧੰਨਿ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਕਯਥੁ ਭਲੌ ਜਗਿ ॥ Blessed, blessed, blessed and fruitful is the sublime birth of the Guru into the world. ਪਾਤਾਲ ਪੁਰੀ ਜੈਕਾਰ ਧੁਨਿ ਕਬਿ ਜਨ ਕਲ ਵਖਾਣਿਓ ॥ Even in the nether regions, His Victory is celebrated; so says KAL the poet. ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਰਸਿਕ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ॥੬॥ You are blessed with the Nectar of the Lord's Name, O Guru Nanak; You have mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoy sovereignty over both worlds. ||6|| We can stop the debate now, as I don’t have time too lol

‘Consciousness’, you do clearly not understand Guru Sahib’s level. You stated here: ‘Even guru Gobind singh ji in jaap sahib says he can’t describe all of God’s qualities hence cannot know limits.’ However, Guru Sahib is the same as Vaheguru, so he does know Vaheguru’s limit. The JYOT that was inside of Guru Nanak/Guru Gobind Singh – Guru Granth Sahib jee is Vaheguru’s jyot. He is just stating that there are many more qualities of God which cannot be described due to our lowly mat. You stated that Gurmukh means Bhramgyanee however, Bhai Gurdas Jee states here – Awid purK Awdysu hY siqguru scu nwau sdvwieAw] Salutation to that primal Lord who is known by the True name of Satguru. cwir vrn gurisK kir gurmuiK scw pMQu clwieAw] Transforming all the four varnas into the Sikhs of the Guru, that True Guru (Guru Nanak Dev) has initiated a True way for the Gurmukhs. Satguru, according to Gurbani is Guru Nanak who is Vaheguru himself. So, the only way to go into Saachkhand will be going through Vaheguru himself who took the roop of Guru Nanak. The above pauri states that the TRUE PANTH was created for Gurmukhs to follow. Similarly, Guru Gobind Singh Jee (Dasam Granth) states – iqn ieh kl mo Drmu clwXo ] sB swDn ko rwh bqwXo ] He (Guru Nanak Dev) promulgated this religion (Sikhism) in the Iron age. He showed the (genuine) way to all the saints. Saadh is a sant, and it states the saints were shown the true way. So, someone from another faith can become a Gurmukh and Sant of Vishnu, but not of Vaheguru. Now, here – ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਮਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੇ ਜਨ ਊਤਮ ਜਨਕ ਜਨਾਕ ॥ (Within the Sants (Gursikhs) of Hari, there is Har Har Gurmat Naam and for this reason, they are superior to Janak and likes of Janak). This is where our understanding is different. Even though Gurbani mentions many different kirtam names of God, they are there to give us an understanding of SatNaam (Vaheguru). For instance, Gurbani calls Saachkhand BAIKUNTH, but the real name Saachkhand is only used once or twice whereas Baikunth is used many times - ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਨਗਰੁ ਜਹਾ ਸੰਤ ਵਾਸਾ ॥ The city of heaven is where the Saints dwell. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਚਰਣ ਕਮਲ ਰਿਦ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਸਾ ॥੧॥ They enshrine the Lotus Feet of God within their hearts. ||1|| However, we know that Baikunth is Vishnu’s realm as Gurbani states there are many Baikunths, but we know there is only ONE Saachkhand, so Baikunth is referring to Vishnu’s realm here – ਕੋਟਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ Millions of heavenly paradises are within the scope of His Vision. In the same way, Gurbani refers to the Gurmat Naam when using Har, Ram, Allah etc, but the real name, Vaheguru, has only been used once or twice too. ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਰੋਗੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਈ ॥ Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva suffer from the disease of the three gunas - the three qualities; they do their deeds in egotism. These kirtam names come from Vishnu (Bisan) which Raja Janak used. The above shabad states that Vishnu suffers from the rog of Haumai, which means he is imperfect. Thus, his name is imperfect too, so how can an imperfect name make Raja Janak, Prahlaad, Dhroo, Ramanand, Bhagat Kabeer, Bhagat Nam dev etc perfect? Vaheguru Naam comes from Vaheguru himself who is without this rog of Haumai. Hence, the Naam is as Perfect as Vaheguru so it will make the reciter perfect too. This is where you have to make sense out of Kirtam Names and Satnaam; it’s who it came from and the owner can either be perfect or imperfect, so the effect of the name can only be perfect or imperfect. Now, Bhai Gurdas Jee in his Vaaran proves how imperfect Kabir, Nam Dev etc were before they met Guru Nanak – kljuig nwmw Bgqu hoie Pyir dyhurw gwie ijvweI] In Kalyuga, a devotee named Naamdev made the temple rotate and dead cow alive. Bgqu kbIru vKwxIAY bMdI Kwny qy auiT jweI] It is said Kabir used to go out of prison as and when he liked. DMnw jtu auDwirAw sDnw jwiq Ajwiq ksweI] Dhanna, the jet (farmer) and Sadhana born in a known low cast butcher got across the world ocean. jnu rivdwsu cmwru hoie chu vrnw ivic kir vifAweI] Considering Ravi Das a devotee of the Lord, all the four varnas praise him. byix hoAw AiDAwqmI sYxu nIcu kulu AMdir nweI] Beni, the saint was a spiritualist, and born in a so-called low barber caste Sain was a devotee (of Lord). pYrI pY pw Kwk hoie gurisKW ivic vfI smweI] Falling at and becoming the dust of the feet is the great trance for the Sikhs of the Guru (their caste should not be considered). AlKu lKwie n AlKu lKweI ]15] The devotees, though they behold the imperceptible Lord, yet do not disclose this to anyone.(15) A Gursikh of Guru Nanak is perfect as he/she has no haumai so it completely humble, as he does not disclose his shaktia as the above bhagats have done and does not make him/her self known.

Khalistani-lion jee, amritvela begins in the last quater of the night which is at 2am - 6am. The fruit of Amritvela is best tasted between 2-3, second best is 3-4 and last best is 5-6. Gurbani states to Jap naam and SING Akaal Purakh's gunns is beneficial. So, instead of listening to an audio its best to sing his guns such as sing Jaap Sahib, Akaal Ustat, Sri Kaal Ji Ki Ustat or sing praises of Naam such as Sukhmani Sahib etc. ਸਬਾਹੀ ਸਾਲਾਹ ਜਿਨੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ॥ Those who praise the Lord in the early hours of the morning and meditate on Him single-mindedly, ਸੇਈ ਪੂਰੇ ਸਾਹ ਵਖਤੈ ਉਪਰਿ ਲੜਿ ਮੁਏ ॥ are the perfect kings; at the right time, they die fighting.

Mat Pulo Rai and Consciousness, my Naam experience is similar to Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jees. So I believe, from experience, that all devotees of God went through Guru Nanak for their Haumai to be completely eliminated and thus gain True Love for Vaheguru, which allowed them to enter Saachkhand. If Sant Ishar Singh Jee definitely meant that then I have to doubt Sant Ji. Even though, he is a great Gurmukh but I have to doubt he understood the Greatness of Guru Nanak and Gurbani. Again, Jyot Bigaas has many levels, so the higher one is the better the understanding is. However, I believe even if a Gurmukh has not become Bhramgyan while alive Guru Sahib still lets them go Saachkhand when they leave their body.

Firstly, Gursikhs can do exactly what Raja Janak did but more as they can liberate souls from hells from other universes as well. In fact, Gursikhs are able to give a sinner permanent liberation. For instance, Baba Deep Singh gave shaheedee to whoever he killed and made them immortal. Gursikhs are greater than Raja Janak and this shabad proves it – ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਮਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੇ ਜਨ ਊਤਮ ਜਨਕ ਜਨਾਕ ॥ (Within the Sants (Gursikhs) of Hari, there is Har Har Gurmat Naam and for this reason, they are superior to Janak and likes of Janak). Secondly, if Raja Janak obtained True Mukti at the time of his death then why does it state in the same shabad that ‘Consciousness’ gave that – ਦੇਵ ਲੋਕ ਨੋ ਚਲਿਆ ਗਣ ਗੰਧਰਬ ਸਭਾ ਸੁਖਵਾਸੀ|| Along with gans and gandharvs (celestial musicians) he went to the abode of the Gods. Gans and Gandharvs live in Indrapuri and dev lok is another name for Indrapuri. So, basically, Raja Janak was on his way to live in INDARPURI NOT SAACHKHAND. Thirdly, you have to understand the concept of Vaheguru Mantar compared to other sargun/kirtan names of Vaheguru’s sargun form, Vishnu. Kirtam Naam and Sat Naam Before Guru Nanak Dev Ji, many names of God were exposed to the world. These names are called Kirtam Naam. Meaning, these names are of particular qualities of his Sargun forms, not of the Nirgun form- Akaal Purakh. Reciting any of these names will get the devotee to a particular stage but not to Akaal (Nirgun Form). ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ॥ With my tongue I chant the Names given to You. ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ ॥ 'Sat Naam' is Your perfect, primal Name. Sheshnaag (Vishnu’s Serpent with many heads) recites a particular Kirtam Naam (such as Ram, Har, Allah etc) with each head of his but still, as the tuk below states; he still cannot find God’s limits: ਸਹਸ ਫਨੀ ਜਪਿਓ ਸੇਖਨਾਗੈ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਤਿਆ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਵੈਗੋ ॥ The serpent king chants and meditates on the Lord with his thousands of heads, but even by these chants, he cannot find the Lord's limits. As a result, the Bhagat’s Bhagti on Kirtam naam could not have let them go as far as Saachkhand. The Bhagats Bhagti on Kirtam naam only allowed them to decrease their Haumai to a small amount. So it only allowed them to go as far as Karam Khand. Only through Satguru and Satnaam their haumai was eliminated completely and hence they entered Saachkhand. Haumai is the barrier between us and Vaheguru. ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਉਧਰੇ ॥ ਧ੍ਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦੁ ਬਿਦਰੁ ਦਾਸੀ ਸੁਤੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਤਰੇ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ O my mind, by chanting Naam, they got delivered. Dhru, Prahlaad, son of servant (Bidar) swam through Gurmukh Naam. And ਕਲਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਭਗਤ ਜਨਾ ਉਧਰੇ ॥ ਨਾਮਾ ਜੈਦੇਉ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਸਭਿ ਦੋਖ ਗਏ ਚਮਰੇ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਲਗੇ ਸੇ ਉਧਰੇ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਟਰੇ ॥2॥ In Kalyug too Naam the supreme Substance, delivered Bhagat Jan. Naamdev, Jaideo, Kabir and Trilochan got delivered and all sins of Chamaar Ravidaas jee were washed away. All those who got into Gurmukh Naam, got delivered and all their sins were washed away. The above states that only through reciting GURMUKH NAAM, not any naam, the Bhagats were liberated. Guru Sahib here is being precise by saying Gurmukh Naam. In Sidh Gost, the siddhas asked Guru Sahib who is liberated and Guru Sahib answered that only the Gurmukh is. Gurmukh means the ways of the Guru and the true Guru (Satguru) for this Yug and all yugs is Guru Nanak Dev Ji, which means only following the path of the Guru we can be liberated. joiq rUip hir Awip gurU nwnku khwXau ] The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak. qw qy AMgdu BXau qq isau qqu imlwXau ] From Him, came Guru Angad; His essence was absorbed into the essence. AMgid ikrpw Dwir Amru siqguru iQru kIAau ] Guru Angad showed His Mercy, and established Amar Daas as the True Guru. Lastly, Read this shabad – siqjug siqgur vwsdyv vwvw ivsnw nwmu jpwvY] In Satyug, Vishnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vaheguru reminds of Vishnu. duAwPir siqgur hrIikRsn hwhw hir hir nwm ijpwvY] The True Guru of Dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vaheguru reminds of Hari. qRyqy siqgur rwm jI rwrw rwm jpy suK pwvY] In the Treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vaheguru tells that remembering Ram will produce joy and happiness. kiljug nwnk gur goivMd ggw goivMd nwm AlwvY] In Kalyug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vaheguru gets Govind recited. cwry jwgy chu jugI pMcwiex ivic jwie smwvY] The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man. cwry ACr iek kir vwihgurU jpu mMqR jpwvY] When joining four letters Vaheguru is remembered, jhW qy aupijAw iPir qhW smwvY ]49]1] The Jiv merges again in its origin.(49)(1) (http://www.sikhitoth...p?ShabadID=5589) The last line proves that only MEDITATION ON VAHEGURU MANTAR ALLOWS OUR SOULS (JIV) TO MERGE INTO ITS ORIGIN (VAHEGURU)! THE ONLY WAY TO OBTAIN VAHEGURU MANTAR IS THROUGH SATGURU NANAK!

Mat Pulo Rai, yes Raja Janak was born in Treta yug and so according to you he reached the highest state (bhramgyan) in that yug however according to Gurbani the highest state can only be reached in Kaliyug. Here, read my post from Gurmat Bibek - Kalyug the best from the ages ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਕਲਿ ਕਾਲੀ ਕਾਂਢੀ ਇਕ ਉਤਮ ਪਦਵੀ ਇਸੁ ਜੁਗ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ Kali Yuga is called the Dark Age, but the most sublime state is attained in this age. Raja Janak was from Treta Yug but as this shabad line explains that from all the four ages the highest and supreme state can only be reached in this yug! So, Raja Janak had to have met Guru Nanak Dev Jee in Kalyug to have been called a True Gurmukh, as Satguru only revealed himself in Kalyug. So, NO WAY could Raja Janak have met Guru Nanak dev Jee in the previous yuga because that would mean he reached the level of Bhramgyani (highest state) which is impossible according to this shabad line. The following will give a better understanding. ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥ In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the form of a dwarf. ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty. ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans. ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness. ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das. The above shabad explains who Vaheguru came onto earth as in the yuga. Guru Nanak existed right from the beginning (as stated by Bhai Gurdas Jee's Vaaran) and he displayed a small amount of his power through Vishnu's avtars. Through his Sargun form, Vishnu, he came on earth first as the Baavan (Dwarf), Raam and then Krishan who were imperfect. So, a Gurmukh in those ages could only go as high as Vishnu. In Kalyug, Vaheguru Jee the Nirgun/Perfect/True form revealed himself through Guru Nanak Dev Jee. Therefore, Raja Janak could have only reached a high spiritual state under Vishnu but not the true mukti state. For that he would have had to wait for Kalyug to come so that he could meet Satguru just as Bhagat Prahlaad, Sukhdev, Sri Raam and other angelic beings did (explained later). siqgur nwnk pRgitAw imtI DuMD jg cwnx hoAw] With the emergence of the True Guru Nanak, the mist cleared and the light scattered all around. ijau kir sUrju inkilAw qwry Cip AMDyr ploAw] As if at the sun rise the stars disappeared and the darkness dispelled. isMG buky imrgwvlI BMnI jwie n DIir DroAw] With the roar of the lion in the forest the flocks of escaping deer now cannot have endurance. ijQY bwbw pYr Dir pUjw Awsxu Qwpix soAw] Wherever Baba put his feet, a religious place was erected and established. isD Awsix siB jgq dy nwnk Awd mqy jy koAw] All the siddh-places now have been renamed on the name of Nanak. Gir Gir AMdir Drmswl hovY kIrqnu sdw ivsoAw] Every home has become a place of dharma where singing. bwby qwry cwir cik nauKMif ipRQmI scw FoAw] Baba liberated all four directions and nine divisions of earth. gurmuiK kil ivic prgt hoAw ]27] Gurmukh (Guru Nanak) has emerged in this Kalyug, the dark age.(27) This pauri from Bhai Gurdas jee’s Vaaran further proves that Guru Nanak Dev jee only appeared (pargat) in this age, kalyug. Gurmukh ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ॥੩॥ O Nanak, he alone is known as Gurmukh, unto whom the Lord reveals Himself. ||3|| A Gurmukh is someone who finds God. This means, in the previous yuga, a Gurmukh was someone who found Vishnu (sargun form). However, the above shabad is making clear that only he/she is a True Gurmukh who finds Vaheguru – the True Form. In order to find Vaheguru we have to jap the True Naam which is only available through Satguru – ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥ Thus, the Vaheguru mantar has only been revealed in Kalyug through Guru Sahib - ਕਲਿ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਭਏ ਰੂਪ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਉਧਾਰਨੁ ॥ In the ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Lord's Name has been revealed in the Form of Guru Arjun, to save the world. (from the Bhatts bania, in Guru Granth Sahib Jee, in the praise of Guru Arjun Dev Jee) In Bhai Gurdaas Jee’s Vaaran, the line below, clearly states that only when the Gurmukh meets Satguru is his/her goal achieved. Meaning that the Gurmukh meets Vaheguru and is therefore called a True Gurmukh - gurmiuK suK Plu jnmu siqguru pwieAw] The life of that Gurmukh is successful who has met the True Guru. Festival Abhaijit Here is the link to the full shabad of this festival: [www.sikhitothemax.com] Gurbani mentions names of many devotees of God from the previous yuga because in Kalyug they were liberated by Guru Sahib. Bhagat Prahlaad is called a gurmukh too in Gurbani but he is only liberated by Guru Raam Das Jee according to Gurbani. In this shabad, it describes the event/festival of Abhaijit which Guru Sahib went to with his Sikhs. ਦੇਖਣਿ ਆਏ ਤੀਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਮੁਨਿ ਜਨ ਸਭਿ ਆਇਆ ॥ The angelic beings and silent sages from all the three worlds came to see Him. ਜਿਨ ਪਰਸਿਆ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪੂਰਾ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਨਾਸ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ Those who are touched by the Guru, the True Guru - all their sins and mistakes were erased and dispelled. Suraa (angelic like beings) came from all three worlds, which include the sat pataals (where Prahlaad, king Bali etc live) and the sat Akaash (seven heavens), to see Guru Sahib so that they could be blessed. Continuing (I corrected the translation below) - ਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਵਿਦੁ ਪੁਛਿ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਕੀਤਾ ਸਹੀ ॥ The Guru, the True Guru, the Guru is the Lord of the Universe. Go ahead and consult the Simritees, which have been corrected by Guru Sahib. ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਭਨੀ ਸਹੀ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੁਕਿ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਮਿ ਕਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿਦੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ The Simritees and the Shaastras have been corrected by Guru Sahib. Guru Sahib made Suk Dayv, Prahlaad and Raam Chandar meditate on the Lord of the Universe (vaheguru). ਦੇਹੀ ਨਗਰਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਪੰਚ ਚੋਰ ਵਟਵਾਰੇ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਥਾਉ ਥੇਹੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ The five thieves and the highway robbers dwell in the fortress of the body-village; the Guru has destroyed their home and place. ਕੀਰਤਨ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਨਿਤ ਪੁੰਨ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨਿ ਨਾਨਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਲਹੀ ॥ The Puraanas continually praise the giving of charity, but devotional worship of the Lord is only obtained through the Word of Guru Nanak. This part of the shabad has affirmed important points; one is that Prahlaad, Sukhdev and Raamchandar were given the True Name (Vaheguru) by Guru Sahib to meditate on and the second is that True Bhagti of Vaheguru is only obtained through GURU NANAK! To conclude, we have found that he/she can only be called a True Gurmukh who goes through Satguru to be truly liberated (muktee) and find Vaheguru. Secondly, Satguru is only found in Kalyug. Therefore, raja janak only obtained Vaheguru and became a True Gurmukh in Kalyug. I respect all bhagats but jyot bigaas has many levels; meaning that, the higher one is, the better the understanding will be of Gurbani and Truth. You must have misunderstood Sant Ishar Singh ji, because Raja Janak is in Saachkhand now but he only made it there in Kalyug and through Guru Nanak Dev Jee. Bhai Gurdas Jee in his Vaaran praises Guru Sahib - sau ivc vrqY isK sMq iekoqr sO siqgur AibnwsI] If the Sikh is hundred times, the eternal True Guru is hundred and one times. sdw sdIv dIbwx ijsu AsiQr sdw n AwvY jwsI] His court is ever steadfast and he never undergoes the cycle of transmigration. iek mn ijnHYN iDAwieAw kwtI glhu iqsY jm PwsI] He who mediates upon Him with single minded Devotion, gets his noose of Yama, cut asunder. ieko iek vrqdw Sbd suriq siqgurU jxwsI] That one Lord alone pervades everywhere, and only by merging consciousness in the word that True Guru can be known. ibnu drsnu guru mUriq BRmqw iPry lK jUin caurwsI] Without the glimpse of the manifest Guru (the word of Guru), the Jiv wanders in eighty four lacs of species of life. ibnu dIiKAw gurdyv dI mir jnmy ivic nrk pvwsI] Without the teachings of Guru, the Jiv goes on taking birth and dying and is ultimately thrown in hell. inrgux srgux siqgurU ivrlw ko gur sbd smwsI] The True Guru (Lord) is without attributes and yet possesses all the qualities. A rare one absorbs himself in the word of Guru. ibnu guru Et n hor ko scI Et n kdy ibnwsI] There is no shelter without Guru’s and this True refuge never gets destroyed. gurW gurU siqguru purKu Awid AMiq iQr gurU rhwsI] The True Guru (Lord), Guru of all Gurus, is the immutable Guru from beginning to end. ko ivrlw gurmuiK shij smwsI ]21] Any rare Gurmukh gets merged in the equipoise.(21)

Mat Pulo Rai, first answer this question, I know the answer but I want to know your understanding - In what age/yug was Raja Janak born?

Mokham Singh Jee is right - ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਮਾਈ ॥ Serving the Guru, devotional worship is practiced. ਤਬ ਇਹ ਮਾਨਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਪਾਈ ॥ Then, this human body is obtained. ਇਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਕਉ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਦੇਵ ॥ Even the gods long for this human body. ਸੋ ਦੇਹੀ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਸੇਵ ॥੧॥ So vibrate that human body, and think of serving the Lord. ||1|| ਭਜਹੁ ਬਿੰਦ+ਗ ਭੂਲਿ ਮਤ ਜਾਹੁ ॥ Vibrate, and meditate on the Lord of the Universe, and never forget Him. ਮਾਨਸ ਜਨਮ ਕਾ ਏਹੀ ਲਾਹੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ This is the blessed opportunity of this human incarnation. ||1||Pause|| Also, I would just like to add that a Gursikh can reach a spiritual level as high as Baba Buddha Jee, Baba Deep Singh, Bhai Mani Singh, Banda Singh Bahadur etc. In fact, a Gursikh can reach higher depending on how much effort they put into the Bhagti by practicing all of Guru Granth Sahib Jee's teachings.

That is a really nice shabad. If Sikhs focused on the spiritual aspect of Gurmat by following teachings from Guru Granth Sahib Jee then we would have Godly Warrior Gursikhs by now, probably more powerful than Baba Deep Singh. Therefore, we would have had Raj by now in India. Sikhi is such a spiritual dharam, more than any other, yet sikhs assume by taking amrit, wearing panj kakaars, bana, dastar etc they are Great Perfect GURSIKHS and they will automatically go Saachkhand now. This applies to both Singhs and Singhnia who make no effort in Sikhi and have no interest in the Spiritual side of it. Amritvela Bibek, is the first step to being a Gursikh. Without keeping a strict amritvela routine then that Sikh is far away from Guru Sahib. So, why would Guru Sahib give his Raj to a flawed impure Sikh? Khalsa Raj means Raj of the Pure ones. Gurbani states the only way to become pure is by washing away all of our mayl (filth of sin) from our soul, then our spiritual journey begins and will we truly love Vaheguru - ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਜਨ ਭਏ ਖਾਲਸੇ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਜਿਹ ਜਾਨੀ ॥੪॥੩॥ Says Kabeer, those humble people become pure - they become Khalsa - who know the Lord's loving devotional worship. ||4||3|| That is when we become a Khalsa, so that is when Guru Nanak Dev Jee will give his Raj to us.

Mat Pulo Rai, my post and Kulbir Singhs on Gurmat Bibek (in the link provided) explains why Raja Janak and other devotees could not have reached Saachkhand before Kalyug and without going through Guru Sahib. We used quotes from Guru Granth Sahib jee to prove this. Of course, Raja Janak, Prahlaad etc are in Saachkhand now but not before Kalyug and without Satguru Nanak. There is no point in quoting Gursikhs, its better that you have an understanding yourself through Naam Experience and gaining knowledge from Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Bhai Gurdas Jee's Vaaran and Dasam Granth.

Banda Bahadur, I am not the only one stating that, Guru Nanak/Guru Gobind Singh - Guru Granth Sahib jee is stating that too. Read this topic - http://gurmatbibek.c...ead.php?3,19645 My account name on the above forum is B.Singh. Besides me, Kulbir Singh also proves that only a Gursikh can reach Saachkhand using quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Jee and Bhai Gurdas Jee's Vaaran. Read the beginning to the end of that debate. Again, no one can reach Saachkhand without going through Guru Nanak Dev Jee. They can reach other spiritual levels but not the highest. Not even the Bhagat's reached Saachkhand without Guru Sahib; they reached Karam Khand until Guru Sahib let them through into Saachkhand. Guru Nanak in the form of Guru Arjun Dev Jee blessed them to enter Saachkhand.