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I'm disgusted with the attitude against dating in the Sikh community that I read on this forum.

It's the role of the religion to enlighten people and to prepare them for difficult decisions in life.

As the world moves on from past ideals, religion manifests itself in both good and bad ways.

You people out there saying Sikhism forbids dating, I ask you why, would you not start that particular argument with if they are respectful of each other.

All of you follow the Sikhism we know today but what about the Sikhism from 50 years ago or 100 or 300. What about the subtle changes in interpretation of sikhism over the next 50 years.

The world, people and religion evolve with the times. You should to.

Sikhi doesn't change, people do. Cutting hair will be a Bhujer Kerehit now, and in a thousand years. If you want to change Sikhi join another religion.

I don't support interfaith marriages. Especially at the Gurdwara.

Try to read Sikh history yourself?

I know the Sakhi, I'm asking why would he sacrifice his life for a religion that is contrary to what he believed in.

I wanted to know why Guru Tegh Bahadur became a Shaheed for Hindus?

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Nothing will ever happen because the majority of "Sikhs" will stay caste divided, especially in the Panjab and India. The ones that don't, are too little in number. If we all was Tyar bar Tyar like how our Guru Gobind Singh intended and lived the one rehat without squabbling with each other. We could make something happen. But in reality, the real religion and gains of people around the world is Politics and Money. The true religion has been forgotten and is used as a vehicle to reach a to b, never thinking about z (mukti)

We can still be united with different Rehats, like both Taksal and AKJ did in 1978. I know some people would really want to do something but they just can't. But I do find it very disgraceful when I see a Sikh with Gatra and Kirpan holding up a sign saying, "Give us Justice" (I am influenced by Jugraj Singh by the way). When you have the Kirpan you can get your own justice for the Panth. Satwant and Beant never protested a picked up a sign saying,"Sikhs want Justice". The thing is people don't really want to do anything, (most not all)

Nothing is more important than Anakh. However, right now we think some other Sikh will do the right thing than we trying to do it. We are not following sant baba Jarnail Singh bhindrawale's directions.

Not even him, we aren't following what our Gurus taught us.

Because no one is doing anything, except pointing fingers at people for not doing anything. Also fear of Shaheedi.

Their are more sikhs then blacks in england an the blacks destroy the sikhs in terms of athletics

World stage as well 20 million sikhs yet michael phelps has more gold medals then all sikhs have won combined at the olympics michael phelps beats all of south asia in terms of medals won

Lol at each olympics their will be an athletes who win more medals on their own then all south asia combined

In warfare, the Sikhs would win, Zulus(toughest Black Race) v.s The Khalsa? The Khalsa would win. The Mughals were more muscular than the Sikhs, but weak spirits.

It is all about perception. In the early part of 20th century, boxing was dominated by Jews as well as Basketball. It was theorised in the U.S. that Jews were physically superior like how African Americans are considered now.

Where are the Sikhs? The true strong race of fighters?

Where are the Sikhs? The true strong race of fighters?

Amrit is the highest power!

ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥

The Lord is One and the Victory is of the True Guru.

ਅਥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਮ ਮਾਲਾ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਲਿਖਯਤੇ ॥

Shastra-Nama Mala Purana (the Rosary of the Names of weapons) is now composed

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ॥੧੦॥

With the support of the primal power by the Tenth King.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

DOHRA

ਸਾਂਗ ਸਰੋਹੀ ਸੈਫ ਅਸ ਤੀਰ ਤੁਪਕ ਤਲਵਾਰ ॥ ਸੱਤ੍ਰਾਂਤਕ ਕਵਚਾਂਤਿ ਕਰ ਕਰੀਐ ਰੱਛ ਹਮਾਰ ॥੧॥

O Lord ! Protect us by creating Saang, Sarohi, Saif (Sword), As, Teer (arrow) tupak (gun), Talwaar (sword), and other weapons and armours causing the destruction of the enemies.1.

ਅਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਧਾਰਾਧਰੀ ਸੈਲ ਸੂਫ ਜਮਦਾਢ ॥ ਕਵਚਾਂਤਕ ਸੱਤ੍ਰਾਂਤ ਕਰ ਤੇਗ ਤੀਰ ਧਰਬਾਢ ॥੨॥

O Lord ! Creat As, Kripan (sword), Dharaddhari, Sail, Soof, Jamaadh, Tegh (saber), Teer (saber), Teer (arrow), Talwar(sward), causing the destruction of armours and enemies.2.

ਅਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਖੰਡੋ ਖੜਗ ਤੁਪਕ ਤਬਰ ਅਰੁ ਤੀਰ ॥ ਸੈਫ ਸਰੋਹੀ ਸੈਹਥੀ ਯਹੈ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਪੀਰ ॥੩॥

As, Kripan (sword), Khanda, Khadag (sword), Tupak (gun), Tabar (hatched), Teer (arrow), Saif (sword), Sarohi and Saihathi, all these are our adorable seniors.3.

ਤੀਰ ਤੁਹੀ ਸੈਹਥੀ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੁਹੀ ਤਬਰ ਤਲਵਾਰ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਤਿਹਾਰੋ ਜੋ ਜਪੈ ਭਏ ਸਿੰਧ ਭਵ ਪਾਰ ॥੪॥

Thou are the Teer (arrow), Thou are Saihathi, Thou art Tabar (hatchet), and Talwaar (sword); he, who remembers Thy Name crosses the dreadful ocean of existence.4.

ਕਾਲ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਾਲੀ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੇਗ ਅਰੁ ਤੀਰ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨੀ ਜੀਤ ਕੀ ਆਜੁ ਤੁਹੀ ਜਗਬੀਰ ॥੫॥

Thou art the KAL (death), thou art the goddess Kali, Thou art the saber and arrow, Thou art the sign of victory today and Thou art the Hero of the world.5.

ਤੁਹੀ ਸੂਲ ਸੈਹਥੀ ਤਬਰ ਤੂੰ ਨਿਖੰਗ ਅਰੁ ਬਾਨ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਸੇਲ ਸਭ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਕਰਦ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ॥੬॥

Thou art the Sool (spike), Saihathi and Tabar (hatched), Thou art the Nikhang and Baan (arrow), Thou art the Kataari, Sel, and all and Thou art the Kard (knife), and Kripaan (sword).6.

ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਸਤ੍ਰ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਸਿਪਰ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਕਵਚ ਨਿਖੰਗ ॥ ਕਵਚਾਂਤਕ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਬਨੇ ਤੁਮ ਬਯਾਪਕ ਸਰਬੰਗ ॥੭॥

Thou art the arms and weapons, Thou art the Nikhang (quiver), and the Kavach (armour); Thou art the destroyer of the armours and Thou art also all pervading.7.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਤੂੰ ਸਭ ਕਾਰਨ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੂੰ ਬਿੱਦਯਾ ਕੋ ਸਾਰ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਉਪਰਾਜਹੀ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਲੇਹੁ ਉਬਾਰ ॥੮॥

Thou art the cause of peace and prosperity and the essence of learning; Thou art the creator of all and the redeemer of all.8.

ਤੁਮਹੀ ਦਿਨ ਰਜਨੀ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਜੀਅਨ ਉਪਾਇ ॥ ਕਉਤਕ ਹੇਰਨ ਕੇ ਨਮਿਤ ਤਿਨ ਮੋ ਬਾਦ ਬਢਾਇ ॥੯॥

Thou art the day and night and Thou art the creator of all the Jivas (beings), causing disputes among them; Thou does all this in order to view Thy own sport.9.

ਅਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਖੰਡੋ ਖੜਗ ਸੈਫ ਤੇਗ ਤਰਵਾਰ ॥ ਰੱਛ ਕਰੋ ਹਮਰੀ ਸਦਾ ਕਵਚਾਂਤਕ ਕਰਵਾਰ ॥੧੦॥

O Lord ! Protect us by smashing the armour with the blows of Thy hands with the help of As, Kripaan (sword), Khanda, Kharag, Saif, Tegh, and Talwaar (sword).10.

ਤੁਹੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਦਾੜ੍ਹ ਜਮ ਤੂੰ ਬਿਛੂਓ ਅਰੁ ਬਾਨ ॥ ਤੋ ਪਤਿ ਪਦ ਜੇ ਲੀਜੀਐ ਰੱਛ ਦਾਸ ਮੁਹਿ ਜਾਨੁ ॥੧੧॥

Thou art Kataari, Jamdaadh, Bichhuaa and Baan, O power ! I am a serf of Thy Lords feet, kindly Protect me.11.

ਬਾਂਕ ਬੱਜ੍ਰ ਬਿਛੂਓ ਤੁਹੀ ਤਬਰ ਤਰਵਾਰ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਸੈਹਥੀ ਕਰੀਐ ਰੱਛ ਹਮਾਰ ॥੧੨॥

Thou art Baank, bajar, Bichhuaa, Tabar, and Talwaar, Thou art the kataari, and Saihathi; Protect me.12.

ਤੁਮੀ ਗੁਰਜ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਗਦਾ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਤੀਰ ਤੁਫੰਗ ॥ ਦਾਸ ਜਾਨ ਮੋਰੀ ਸਦਾ ਰੱਛਾ ਕਰੋ ਸਰਬੰਗ ॥੧੩॥

Thou art Gurj, Gadaa (mace), Teer (arrow) and Tufang; protect me ever considering me as Thy slave.13.

ਛੁਰੀ ਕਲਮ ਰਿਪ ਕਰਦ ਭਨਿ ਖੰਜਰ ਬੁਗਦਾ ਨਾਇ ॥ ਅਰਧ ਰਿਜਕ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਕੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਤੁਮ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਚਾਇ ॥੧੪॥

Thou art the Chhurri, the enemy-killing karad and the Khanjar (dagger) are Thy names; Thou art the adorable Power of the world, kindly protect me.14.

ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਉਪਾਵਹੁ ਜਗਤ ਤੁਮ ਤੁਮਹੀਂ ਪੰਥ ਬਨਾਇ ॥ ਆਪ ਤੁਹੀ ਝਗਰਾ ਕਰੋ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਕਰੋ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੧੫॥

Firstly Thou createst the world, and then the Paths; then Thou crreatest the disputes and also help them.15.

ਮੱਛ ਕੱਛ ਬਾਰਾਹ ਤੁਮ ਤੁਮ ਬਾਵਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ॥ ਨਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਉਧਾ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਜਗਤ ਕੋ ਸਾਰ ॥੧੬॥

Thou art Machh (fish incarnation), Kachh (tortoise incarnation) and Varaha (the boar incarnation); Thou art also the Dwarf incarnation; Thou art also narsingh and Buddha and Thou art the Essence of the whole world.16.

ਤੁਹੀਂ ਰਾਮ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਤੁਮ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕੋ ਰੂਪ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਪ੍ਰਜਾ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਕੀ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਭੂਪ ॥੧੭॥

Thou art Rama, Krishna and Vishnu; Thou art the subjects of the whole world and Thou art also the Sovereign.17.

ਤੁਹੀਂ ਬਿਪ੍ਰ ਛਤ੍ਰੀ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਰੰਕ ਅਰੁ ਰਾਉ ॥ ਸ਼ਾਮ ਦਾਮ ਅਰੁ ਡੰਡ ਤੂੰ ਤੁਮਹੀ ਭੇਦ ਉਪਾਉ ॥੧੮॥

Thou art the Brahmin, Kshatriya, the king and the poor; Thou art also Sama, Sama, Dand and Bhed and also other remedies.18.

ਸੀਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਕਾਯਾ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੈਂ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ॥ ਤੈਂ ਬਿਦਯਾ ਜਗ ਬਕਤ੍ਰ ਹੁਇ ਕਰੇ ਬੇਦ ਬਖਯਾਨ ॥੧੯॥

Thou art the head, trunk and the life-force of all the creatures; the whole world imbibes all the learning from Thee and elucidates the Vedas.19.

ਬਿਸਿਖ ਬਾਨ ਧਨੁਖਾਗ੍ਰ ਭਨ ਸਰ ਕੈਬਰ ਜਿਹ ਨਾਮ ॥ ਤੀਰ ਖਤੰਗ ਤਤਾਰਚੇ ਸਦਾ ਕਰੋ ਮਮ ਕਾਮ ॥੨੦॥

Thou art the significant arrow fitted in the bow and Thou art also called the warrior Kaibar; O Thou called by various names of the arrows ! You may also do my job.20.

ਤੈਣੀਰਾਲੈ ਸ਼ਤ੍ਰ ਅਰਿ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਅੰਤਕ ਸਸ ਬਾਨ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਬੈਰਣ ਪ੍ਰਥਮੈ ਹਨੋ ਬਹੁਰੋ ਬਜੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ॥੨੧॥

Thy house is the quiver and Thou killest like deer the enemies by becoming the shaft-power; Thy reality is that Thou killest the enemies beforehand and the sword strikes later on.21.

ਤੁਮ ਪਾਟਸ ਪਾਸੀ ਪਰਸ ਪਰਮ ਸਿੰਧ ਕੀ ਖਾਨ ॥ ਤੇ ਜਗ ਕੇ ਰਾਜਾ ਭਏ ਦੀਅ ਤਵ ਜਿਹ ਬਰਦਾਨ ॥੨੨॥

Thou art the axe which tears away the enemies and also Thou art the noose, which binds down; Thou art Supremely Enduring One also; on whomsoever Thou didst bestow the boon, Thou didst make him the king of the world.22.

ਸੀਸ ਸ਼ਤ੍ਰ ਅਰਿ ਅਰਿਆਰ ਅਸਿ ਖੰਡੋ ਖੜਗ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ॥ ਸ਼ਕ੍ਰ ਸੁਰੇਸਰ ਤੁਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਭਗਤਿ ਆਪੁਨੋ ਜਾਨ ॥੨੩॥

Thou art the sword and dagger chopping the enemies and considering Indra as Thy devotee; Thou didst bestow on him the position of the king of gods.23.

ਜਮਧਰ ਜਮਦਾੜਾ ਜਬਰ ਜੋਧਾਂਤਕ ਜਿਹ ਨਾਇ ॥ਲੂਟ ਕੂਟ ਲੀਜਤ ਤਿਨੈ ਜੇ ਬਿਨ ਬਾਂਧੇ ਜਾਇ ॥੨੪॥

Yamdhaar and Yamdadh and all other names of the weapons fro the destruction of the warriors, Thou hast folded up and bound all their power in Thyself.24.

ਬਾਂਕ ਬਜ੍ਰ ਬਿਛੂਓ ਬਿਸਿਖਿ ਬਿਰਹਬਾਨ ਸਭ ਰੂਪ ॥ ਜਿਨ ਕੋ ਤੁਮ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੀ ਭਏ ਜਗਤ ਕੇ ਭੂਪ ॥੨੫॥

Baank, Bajar, Bichhuaa and the shafts of love, on whomsoever Thou didst shower Thy Grace, they all became the Sovereigns of the world.25.

ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸ਼ੇਰ ਸਮਰਾਂਤ ਕਰਿ ਸਿੱਪਰਾਰਿ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ੇਰ ॥ ਮੁਕਤ ਜਾਲ ਜਮ ਕੇ ਭਏ ਜਿਮੈ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਇਕ ਬੇਰ ॥੨੬॥

The lion is Thy weapons like the sword in the war, which destroys the enemies; he, on whom, Thou didst shower Thy Grace, he was redeemed from th noose of Yama.26.

ਸੈਫ ਸਰੋਹੀ ਸ਼ੱਤ੍ਰ ਅਰਿ ਸਾਰੰਗਾਰਿ ਜਿਹ ਨਾਮ ॥ ਸਦਾ ਹਮਾਰੇ ਚਿਤ ਬਸੋ ਸਦਾ ਕਰੋ ਮਮ ਕਾਮ ॥੨੭॥

Thou art the Saif and Sarohi and Thy Name is the destroyer of the enemies; You abide in our heart and fulfil our tasks.27.

ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮ ਮਾਲਾ ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਉਸਤਤ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਧਿਆਇ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥

End of the first Chapter entitled The Praise of the Primal Power in Shri Nam-Mala Purana.

Thank you.

You bow your head to shastars every time you go to the gurduwara when you matha tek. The shastar is our peer and we have to worship our shastar cause this is Akaal purkh's form.

May you please explain to me how shastars relate to Vaheguru?

Plants do have souls, just to remind us, we are Sant Siphai, not crazy pacifists. But No Meat in Guru Sahib's Darbar or Langer, because Langer is simple, meat can't be simple.

Anyone?

anyone ?

Where does he plan on living, because usually one country makes the wedding legal, and you don't want to go through the process twice.

If you look at the list of Martial Races, you'll see most of them come from South Asia (Best Martial race isn't a race by the way, it's a religion)

You have to understand that Harminder Sahib.was attacked in 1955.

They probably aren't trying hard enough.

MaahaaKaal Jagdeesh Hai,Sarbloh Avtaar.

Just as we worship Jagdeesh Nirankaar, so should we worship Guru Peer saroop shastar

I don't see that anywhere in.Gurbani,

No worship of Shastar should be allowed, Sant Jarnail Singh respected Shastar, but never did some Puja, Guru Sahib never worshiped Shastar in the same way, we don't worship Kesh.

Why is this in the marriage section?

Most likely not a promise, but many "Brahmins" became Sikhs (I use the term Brahmin loosely), this could've happened because of the power of Visakhi on 1699.

You don't, because this isn't your battle, your battle is getting up early in the morning and Jaap Naam, which is a difficult battle, I have fallen my share of times, just don't lose your's. If you do try fighting this battle, and for some reason you win the battle,(this is war), then you will get Haumai that "I" beat the panj chore, and you fall back again. Bhai Joga Singh had Haumai before Kaam. In this battle you can wear the Kakkars, but at the end of the day, Guru Sahib will take them Down for you, if you do what he yes you.

Bollywood or Hollywood, they're just out there trying to make money, how do you do that? Simple, making the movies have Kaam or Moh(which is why porn is such a big industry).

Bollywood or Hollywood, they're just out there trying to make money, how do you do that? Simple, making the movies have Kaam or Moh(which is why porn is such a big industry).

Just own a gun, you can protect more people than you could with a 3ft sword. I recommend a pistol.

WJKK WJKF

Veer ji, it's not about me being wrong or right, it's all about gurmat. Sometimes we disagree with gurmat, but it's hukam so we have to follow it whether we disagree or agree with it. The gurus light prevails through all the darkness of the mind.

Through our posts to one another, it is evident that as Sikhs, we can debate and work from sikhi ithias and gurmat.

Next time you come across a missionary, debate and discuss with them and let your sikhi gurmat shine without insulting them or Jesus Christ, as Bhai Jugraj Singh ji did in debate to The Dawah Man. We all as Sikhs can be parcharaks and make a change. Exactly how Shiri guru Nanak dev ji did.

If you haven't seen the Basics of Sikhi debate with the Dawah man already I have uploaded it. If you get time watch it. This is the way to defeat this issue brother, through knowledge, passion, pyar and gurmat. Not anger!

Your passion for the Kaum shines, May it shine stronger and may the guru bless you and your family.

WJKK WJKF

Thank you.