Khalsa_Girl_1

you end up.. nowhere..

lol i love the title for this thread. very creative.

Different people have written different meanings of 'Waheguru'.

One is:

The word 'Waheguru' is combination of first character of the names by which god was called in different yugs (ages), i.e

W - Wishnu (Vishnu)

H - Hari

G - Gobind

R - Ram

what...in the world?!?!?! :| @ :lol: @ :lol: @

that is ALL wrong.... :lol:

Nope, just towards anyone turning their backs towards their own.

...what do you mean?

and just letting you know, im not against what you said

im just slow and i dont get what you meant by:

'just towards anyone turnin their backs towards their own'

like i dont get what youre tryin to say... :lol:

yes.. im slow

sant sipahi jarnail singh ji khalsa bhindrawaale was such a great personality that to this day when his name is mentioned in india, the tyrants and sellouts tremble and fear the revival of the sikh dharam yudh morcha.

Even after his shaheedi, Indian facsists still fear him. Amar Shaheed jarnail singh ji khalsa, greatest sikh of the 20th century.

honesty, integrity, and courage. Three things which make the Indian establishment nervous. Three things which baba jarnail singh ji lived by.

dil karda hor bahut kujh likha soorme sant sipahi waare....

wowww.. im in love with your post :lol:

how abt makin a poster with those lines on it? lol :TH:

oh but.. umm.. what does this mean:

dil karda hor bahut kujh likha soorme sant sipahi waare....

is it safe to go to Punjab right now wth all the Dera stuff goin on? My little sster (15) is plannng on going alone soon and im scared it might not be safe..

umm...id say no

im scared for your sis goin alone too

i dont know what 'dera' stuff means but i wouldnt go alone anywhere if i was 15

oh and yes.. i find that keskis under it help :TH:

lollllll...

for 2 yrs someone tied my dastar for me!! lol

my friends always did it. it was jokes.

i was in baru sahib for gr. 7 and 8 (a Sikh school in the northern part of india)

before goin there i tied a keski..

but ye.. lol i got back from there and my mom said 'you didnt learn how to tie it yet???'

lol..

anyway ..enough of my story...

sorry

practice! practice! practice! practice! lolll

yes it'll work!! :lol:

Gods awesome yo!

do Ardas with love and you'll see :TH:

Just so you're aware:

Arranged marriages are soon going to be a thing of the past.

If Sikhs can't bring their own kind into marriages we may as well give all non-amritdhari girls away to muslims or something because they are nothing to do with us ......no?

just wanting to know.. is the above post directed towards me?

these sites are a waste of time.

its not like gorey who wanna learn abt sikhs or muslims go to these sites so nothin to worry abt

we all know the truth and thats what matters..not these lies.

im not even gonna bother reading whats on the site cuz it just makes things upsetting..

peace....

i disagree with "khalsa" girl...

if you take amrit cuz you love 'somebody' then that's a gross misunderstanding of the institution of khanday battay da amrit...

if people don't understand the basic principle and premise of taking amrit..they should refrain from giving themselves names that have the word khalsa in it.

i also disagree with the extent of this "new life" argument that people use...

yes...when you take amrit...you have a new life in the way you CONDUCT yourself...

you conduct yourself in a way that shows the greatness of your father, dashmesh pita...

i personally don't think it's cool for a guy to sleep with a girl, then find sikhi and dump her cuz he's not amritdhari...that girl will have a tough time when it comes to marriage and whatnot and i don't see how that can be seen as an honourable thing for a singh to do.

i didnt mean that its right for her to take amrit just to be with him :lol:

you dont get wha i said

anyway.. to the thread starter

straight out.. people change.

you say you slept with this girl and that you both love each other.

what i meant was, shell respect what views you have, and will stick with them as well.

the only "real" love is what should be felt between a sikh and God.

anyway what im tryin to say is.. if she really loves you, shell go for the goals youre going for (following sikhi)

THATS what i meant..

i did NOT mean that she would go into sikhi just cuz she still wants to stay with this guy.

anyway..about the entire "new life" saying

its not to be taken so literally :|

if that was the case, too many ppl would be drinkin/out with a new partner every month or so/smokin up stuff etc ON PURPOSE before takin Amrit.

theyd simply say "i got a new life now so what i did before dont matter"

even IF they later on would be fully devoted to Sikhi and regret whatever they had done earlier, it dont cut it.

when you take Amrit, 'a new BEGINING' dont always mean 'a new life' ...it just means 'new chances'

peace...

oh and if youre 18.. then id say wait. youre imature still.

dont date nobody till youre mature.. you might think youre mature now

but id say around the age of 20 is a good age. dating is a lot of probs.

stay as friends. once things get past the line its straight out tough.

i promise you, youll be better of not goin out with her

Ooooo....I didnt know 20 was a good age for dating. i missed my chance of dating the girl of my dreams. If i say something in Punjabi my post will be reported so i'll stick to english. GROW UP and realize the sole purpose of this human life.

well the original "poster" isnt amrit-dhari

if you aint amrit-dhari then im not gonna say "dont date at all" cuz its not like this guy follows all the rules of sikhi (sorry, im not judging) but i mean he said that hes close to a "hair cutting" girl ...

gotta give amrit-dharis and non amrit-dharis diff suggestions when it comes to this kind of thing.

no its not wrong and you can do it any way you like as long as its with deep respect

if she really loves you, she'll become amrit-dhari.

if she dont really love you, then you'll see it...

just my opinion

dont date nobody till youre mature.. you might think youre mature now

but id say around the age of 20 is a good age. dating is a lot of probs.

stay as friends. once things get past the line its straight out tough.

i promise you, youll be better of not goin out with her

^^wrote in the poem thread...

wow..that was long ago

so...when is this thread gonna stop lol

^^^stays with NY range

wow...this thread is still going and it feels like im 99

well..i personally hate the word mona and moni cuz its used now in a way which i see as 'rude' ...i just call them non-kes dhari

...most of the time, it depends where you see them, what theyre doin (and maybe with who), what theyre wearing etc....i dont know...gotta look at a lot of things

but personally...i cant really say that i judge against them. 95% of my friends are non kes dhari (mona/moni)

my dad used to be a non kes-dari up until around age 44 and still had mad respect to people following religion before that.

it all depends really.....

if i see a girl/boy whos non kes-dhari, i never think much of it.

if i see a girl/boy whos non kes-dhari AFTER havin kes for a good amount of time (and cuttin it for reasons such as 'i didnt fit it' 'i couldnt take care of my hair' 'i looked ugly' 'theres no point in it anymore' etc..) then i wouldnt have respect for the person.

and of course...i wouldnt even wanna look at a person who had once taken Amrit, then later had become MONA/MONI

that is the ONE AND ONLY time i would say mona/moni....

other than that, we're all Gods children, though we're gonna get diff results in the end.....

peace...

GurFateh.

My soul is winding in the light of the Lord.

For only it is what holds that of use.

I wish my mind would settle down,

Oh how its gone through daily abuse.

Pressure will be applied to reduce the evils,

To combine the soul and the mind.

Leading the knowledge that comes ahead,

To where the Dasam Duaar aligns.

GurFateh.

it seems like you use the word 'militant' as if youre describing some people you against :D ...not sayin you do...just seems like it:

And when i say militant singh i meant people who have been brainwashed to the degree that they cant believe anything else other than what they have been "programmed" 2 believe.

rii...all amritdharis are militants..just lettin you know.

and for when SINGHS/SINGHNEES tell you that you shouldnt be doin something, i think you should 'at the spot, there and then' ask the person/people why they tellin you to do/not do whatever they had mentioned...

your parents and grandparents can be proud of what you doing yo...but that dont mean that what you doin is right. there are many parents out there who say theyre proud of their kids, while knowin that their kids aint doin right things and all

and yo i dont see why you askin for reasons to explain why 'militant' singhs are tellin you that what you doin is wrong..

these 'militant' singhs you talkin abt are obviously into sikhi

what does dhol, dholak, baja, tumbi, guitar, or drum kit do for your sikhi?

i aint sayin that im perfect..

and yo, culture dont follow through someones veins...(just lettin you know)

and please dont ever say that sikhi only a part of their culture....

dont ever say "sikhi is ONLY" cuz sikhi is opposite of "only"

sikhi everything. you dont need no punjabi culture man

it dont give you nothin

when gursikhs think of w/e it is that you do, most see it as something that takes people away from relgious habbits...

Laugh, joke and have fun, life is but short, what really matters is that we treat eachother well, because that is what you will be judged on, not on how well you followed any particular religion.

have fun using that as an excuse on your "judgement" day

lok geet is still around and always will be...as lok geet is just (as Baba Bulleh Shah said) "Words from the common tongue".

and the 'common tounge' that you speak of changes through time cuz people change..so lok geet isnt always lok geet now is it...

thankyou...but does sggs ji say that it is wrong to dance???just out of curiosity..i've never realy known

i think you should read all the replies that people give you to help answer your Qs:

IN REGARDS TO DANCING

nic nic tpih bhuqu duKu pwvih ]

nach nach ttapehi bahuth dhukh paavehi ||

they dance and dance and jump all around, but they only suffer in terrible pain.

nicAY tipAY Bgiq n hoie ]

nachiai ttapiai bhagath n hoe ||

By dancing and jumping, devotional worship is not performed.

From ang 159 of Guroo Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj.

VahegurooJiKaKhalsaVahegurooJiKiFateh

peace...

GurFateh

ummm...just one thing...

***can we please all post in English...it would be most appreciated, ty

jado tusi cycle chalaune ho.. tuhade pajame da pauncha cycle di chain ch fass sakda

biba dey vi phas sakda

biba dey vi phas sakda

bibia de ta pajami hundi aa :devil: ... salwar thori hundi aa..and i have seen certain singhs wearing pajamis.

.. tu koi shararat kitti honi ..

nooo, mai ta beeba bacha beebey bachey sharta ni kardey :D

i dont know what was being said in the above posts :D

Vaheguru

Johnny Veerjee, it all depends upon the situation.

These days, people tend to divorce over the simplest of things. If there is a problem such as alcohol abuse, physical abuse, etc. Something that seriuos should and can result in Divorce.

Think it out seriuosly if this is the right decision. Is this a problem that your wife and yourself can solve?

In my opinion, Divorce in sikhi ISNT wrong if it involves something as seriuos as physical, alcohol, drug, abuse, etc.

bull chaak maauf karnee.

umm..hold on...i dont see how 'phyiscal, alcohol, drug abuse etc' can be put with 'sikhi'

this dont make no sense to me...

if someone is a sikh...and has a sikh marriage...then why all this nonsense...?

like i mean.. 2 sikhs= NO physical abuse, NO aclohol abuse, NO drug abuse, NO ABUSE whatsoever!!!

so...the question: "is it allowed in sikhi" dont seem like the correct question.... :D

and to the person who started the topic: sikhis view on divorce is WRONG...its a NO NO...its not looked upon by sikhs.

and as ive said before... a divorce between 2 Gursikhs, i have yet to see

if God gives them beards, He also gives them the kes on their heads and stuff...

so why do they cut the hair on their heads....

they make no sense sometimes....

and what abt the girls???

they cut their hair, die their hair, pluck their brows and so on...

what abt that...

Small Wooden People

The Wemmicks were small wooden people. Each of the wooden people was carved by a woodworker named Eli. His workshop sat on a hill overlooking their village. Every Wemmick was different. Some had big noses, others had large eyes. Some were tall and others were short. Some wore hats, others wore coats. But all were made by the same carver and all lived in the village. And all day, every day, the Wemmicks did the same thing: They gave each other stickers. Each Wemmick had a box of golden star stickers and a box of gray dot stickers. Up and down the streets all over the city, people could be seen sticking stars or dots on one another.The pretty ones, those with smooth wood and fine paint, always got stars. But if the wood was rough or the paint chipped, the Wemmicks gave dots.The talented ones got stars, too... Some could lift big sticks high above their heads or jump over tall boxes. Still others knew big words or could sing very pretty songs. Everyone gave them stars. Some Wemmicks had stars all over them! Every time they got a star it made them feel so good that they did something else and got another star.

Others though, could do little. They got dots. Punchinello was one of these. He tried to jump high like the others, but he always fell. And when he fell, the others would gather around and give him dots. Sometimes when he fell, it would scar his wood, so the people would give him more dots. He would try to explain why he fell and say something silly, and the Wemmicks would give him more dots. After a while he had so many dots that he didn't want to go outside. He was afraid he would do something dumb such as forget his hat or step in the water, and then people would give him another dot. In fact, he had so many gray dots that some people would come up and give him one without reason.

"He deserves lots of dots," the wooden people would agree with one another.

"He's not a good wooden person."

After a while Punchinello believed them. "I'm not a good Wemmick," he would say.

The few times he went outside, he hung around other Wemmicks who had a lot of dots. He felt better around them.

One day he met a Wemmick who was unlike any he'd ever met. She had no dots or stars. She was just wooden. Her name was Lulia.

It wasn't that people didn't try to give her stickers; it's just that the stickers didn't stick. Some admired Lulia for having no dots, so they would run up and give her a star. But it would fall off. Some would look down on her for having no stars, so they would give her a dot. But it wouldn't stay either.

"That's the way I want to be," thought Punchinello. "I don't want anyone's marks." So he asked the stickerless Wemmick how she did it.

"It's easy," Lulia replied, "everyday I go to see Eli."

"Eli?"

"Yes, Eli. The woodcarver. I sit in the workshop with him."

"Why?"

"Why don't you find out for yourself? Go up the hill. He's there." And with that the Wemmick with no marks turned and skipped away. "But he won't want to see me!" Punchinello cried out. Lulia didn't hear. So Punchinello went home. He sat near a window and watched the wooden people as they scurried around giving each other stars and dots. "It's not right," he muttered to himself. And he resolved to go see Eli.

He walked up the narrow path to the top of the hill and stepped into the big shop. His wooden eyes widened at the size of everything. The stool was as tall as he was. He had to stretch on his tiptoes to see the top of the workbench. A hammer was as long as his arm. Punchinello swallowed hard.

"I'm not staying here!" and he turned to leave.

Then he heard his name.

"Punchinello?" The voice was deep and strong.

Punchinello stopped.

"Punchinello! How good to see you. Come and let me have a look at you."

Punchinello turned slowly and looked at the large bearded craftsman.

"You know my name?" the little Wemmick asked.

"Of course I do. I made you."

Eli stooped down and picked him up and set him on the bench. "Hmm," the maker spoke thoughtfully as he inspected the gray circles. "Looks like you've been given some bad marks."

"I didn't mean to, Eli. I really tried hard."

"Oh, you don't have to defend yourself to me, child. I don't care what the other Wemmicks think."

"You don't?"

"No, and you shouldn't either. Who are they to give stars and dots? They're Wemmicks just like you. What they think doesn't matter, Punchinello. All that matters is what I think. And I think you are pretty special."

Punchinello laughed. "Me, special? Why? I can't walk fast. I can't jump. My paint is peeling. Why do I matter to you?"

Eli looked at Punchinello, put his hands on those small wooden shoulders, and spoke very slowly. "Because you're mine. That's why you matter to me."

Punchinello had never had anyone look at him like this--much less his maker. He didn't know what to say.

"Everyday I've been hoping you'd come," Eli explained.

"I came because I met someone who had no marks."

"I know. She told me about you."

"Why don't the stickers stay on her?"

"Because she has decided that what I think is more important than what they think. The stickers only stick if you let them."

"What?"

"The stickers only stick if they matter to you. The more you trust my love, the less you care about the stickers."

"I'm not sure I understand."

"You will, but it will take time. You've got a lot of marks. For now, just come to see me every day and let me remind you how much I care."

Eli lifted Punchinello off the bench and set him on the ground. "Remember," Eli said as the Wemmick walked out the door. "You are special because I made you. And I don't make mistakes."

Punchinello didn't stop, but in his heart he thought, "I think he really means it."

And when he did, a dot fell to the ground.

GurFateh

thanx for sharin..

im sure this will inspire the young ones....maybe have singhs/singhnees read it to the lil ones during Gurmat camps etc...

i think its great! :D