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SANGAT JI I CAME ACROSS DIS. http://forums.waheguroo.com/Benti-Remove-A...ers-t20491.html Benti TO ALL Sangat across UK: Remove all Mann Jitt Weekly Newspapers from your local Gurdwara. The Darshan Das cult have a full page advert on the back page and also has Gurbani on the same advert. It is disgraceful considering our Brothers are still in prison for killing the previous fake 'Guru' who claimed to be the Leader of all Sikhs. No Gurdwara has allowed them to have a programme. Their programmes are mainly at Mandirs or Hindu centres. They have used this paper as an underhanded tactic to get into Gurdwaras and infiltrate the Sikh Sangat. We must not allow their parchaar to enter our Gurdwaras. The paper will be in all Gurdwaras by the morning. Please contact Mann Jitt on the below details: Mann Jitt Weekly - Head Office: 267 Darlaston Road Wednesbury West Midlands WS10 7TG Mann Jitt Weekly - Community Office : C/o Southall Community Alliance 10 High Street Southall Middlesex UB1 3DA t. 07939 624 403 It is Distributed free across UK Gurdwaras. Please can we forward to all forums.

HEADING FOR THE SEWAARS BRO. IF A STOP ISNT PUT TO THIS MADNESS WE COULD BE HAVING STRIPPERS AT THESE JOINTS SOON. AKULAR BHAI SAHIB JI NO OFFENCE WAS INTENDED.

waheguroo ji ka khalsa waheguroo ji ke fatehh dat was time back.. nd IT DOES NOT HAPPEN REGULARLY!!!!!!!!!!! esp @ the RECC... onli thing that happens there are fmaily functions i.e bday parties.. night before wedding parties... yee it happenede last year.. nd people who did it regret it..!! waheguroo ji ka khalsa waheguroo ji ke fatehh ARE YOU SAYING IT IS OK TO HAVE "bday parties.. night before wedding parties..." ? I DONT THINK IT IS OK AT ALL.

I CANT BELIEVE THIS. ALL THE SINGHS WERE DOING IS HANDING OUT LEAFLETS. I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE OF THIS IS IN THAT GURUDWARA. MAYBE START LEAFLETTING THE PARTIES?? JUST AN IDEA.

Believing in the power if Naam is a shakti too, which many of us struggle to gain. It's our own worldly egos that make us think we are in control of the situation. People may wish to mock when a Sikh's suggestion of spending time in Maharaj's hazoori reciting Naam as a pose to protesting. It's our own sceptical minds which make us think that we will attain more by raising our kirpans and shouting slogans. In all that is going on I am still struggling to see a Dharam Morcha, all I am seeing is an adverse reaction. NO ONE SHOULD MOCK THE POWER OF NAAM. I DONT KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE DO HAVE A LACK OF BELIEF. NAAM CAN SOLVE EVERYTHING. BUT THEN WHY DID GURU JI GO TO WAR??? WE ARE NOT 'GANDHIS'...WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO STAND UP AGAINST INJUSTICE AND FOR DHARAM. IF YOU CANNOT PARTAKE IN A PROTEST THEN PLEASE DO SOME SIMRAN FOR THE PANTH AND YOURSELF. BUT BECAUSE OTHERS FEEL A PROTEST WILL HELP (THEY CAN DO SIMRAN AS THEY PROTEST) DONT CRY LIKE BABIES ON THE INTERNET. Kuljeet, believe it or not we are singing from the same hymn sheet. We just have different voices! sarbloh, ur attititude is seen as a defeatest or anti sikh stand at the moment. join my club... NOT ANTI SIKH AT ALL MY BRO. YOU ARE JUST GOING ON AND ON. YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE. SO AGREE TO DISAGREE. YOU CANT ALWAYS BE RIGHT BRO. CAN I BE PART OF YOUR CLUB? THE PROTEST IN SOUTHALL SHOULD ALSO TACKLE THE SOHI ISSUE....SEEING AS IT IS ON HIS DOORSTEP....RSS OUT IF YOU ASK ME.

Believing in the power if Naam is a shakti too, which many of us struggle to gain. It's our own worldly egos that make us think we are in control of the situation. People may wish to mock when a Sikh's suggestion of spending time in Maharaj's hazoori reciting Naam as a pose to protesting. It's our own sceptical minds which make us think that we will attain more by raising our kirpans and shouting slogans. In all that is going on I am still struggling to see a Dharam Morcha, all I am seeing is an adverse reaction. NO ONE SHOULD MOCK THE POWER OF NAAM. I DONT KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE DO HAVE A LACK OF BELIEF. NAAM CAN SOLVE EVERYTHING. BUT THEN WHY DID GURU JI GO TO WAR??? WE ARE NOT 'GANDHIS'...WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO STAND UP AGAINST INJUSTICE AND FOR DHARAM. IF YOU CANNOT PARTAKE IN A PROTEST THEN PLEASE DO SOME SIMRAN FOR THE PANTH AND YOURSELF. BUT BECAUSE OTHERS FEEL A PROTEST WILL HELP (THEY CAN DO SIMRAN AS THEY PROTEST) DONT CRY LIKE BABIES ON THE INTERNET.

OOOOOOOOO VERY INTERESTING YOU ARE SO SMART BRO :TH:

YOUR EXCUSED. I DIDNT SAY THERE WAS ANY OTHER TROUBLE. BUT ITS BESIDES THE POINT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE CANT GET AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TROUBLE OF SOME SORT. ONE YEAR IT WAS WHITE YOUTH ANOTHER MUSLIMS ANOTHER IT WILL BE SIKHS THEN IT WILL BE BLACK YOUTH THEN AND ON AND ON AND ON. I COMMEND ALL THE HARD WORK BUT PUT THE HARD EFFORT INTO ORGANISING SOMETHING ELSE. WE CAN CRY FOREVER THAT OUR OWN HOT HEAD BROTHERS CAUSED THE TROUBLE HAVE WE WONDERED THAT MAYBE IT WAS JUST HOW MAHARAJ WANTED IT.

I BEEN TO HANDSWORTH MELA ONCE AND I REMEMBER THE SINGHS HAVING A BAD TIME TRYING TO STOP FIGHTS AND MUSLIMS CAUSING TROUBLE. I WERENT THERE THIS YEAR SO I DONT KNOW BUT THE SINGHS TOLD ME A GROUP OF MUSLIM/PAKISTANI LADS WERE WAITING OUTSIDE TO CAUSE TROUBLE AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND MONTHS OF PLANNING WENT INTO THE MELA...WAS IT REALLY WORTH IT? ARE WE NOT BETTER OFF SPENDING THAT EFFORT SOMEWHERE ELSE?

yeah, like lets hav a sikh version of the taleban and ban all music, cultural activities, dress up as ninjas so no one can look at us, have our own sikh only schools, segregate ourselves from all the other communities we live in, call everyone a racist if we dont get our own way, apply for government grants to build the biggest gurudawaras under the guise of they will be for the whole community and all will be welcome and then fight in them between ourselves and ban people we dont like from coming to them and pay for the police to come with metal detectors on the days we change the commitees so we dont get unwanted people attending... etc. etc. jus kiddin..! :devil: crazy fools WHY YOU CALLING CRAZY??? AND WHO YOU CALLING A FOOL?????? IF YOU GOT NO RESPECT FOR OPINIONS OF YOUR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. YOU ARE TAKING THE MICKY OUT OF SOMEONE BY CALLING THEM A TALEBAN BUT YET YOURSELF YOU ARE JUDGING THEM AND STEREOTYPING THEM. LOOK AT YOURSELVES IN THE MIRROR. THE LAST MELA I WENT TO HAD ALCOHOL AND MEAT STANDS. THE COMMITTEE SAID "WHAT CAN WE DO?" BUT HEY AT LEAST THEY AINT 'CRAZY FOOLS'. you wanna take a chill pill, as i said only joking but if you wanna have a serious debate maybe u should start by trying to understand the irony of how we are starting to sound like other fundamental groups, such as the taleban, who have no tolerance of other faiths, cultures and traditions and wish to impose their way of life on anything that moves. Instead of trying to ban everything why cant we try make the best out of a bad situation and educate people in what they are doing wrong and why. the mele provide a great opportunity to spread our faith and educate people. If we continue to keep ourselves to ourselves and only talk to each other and the people in our own social comfort zones, i dont think sikhi will flourish as its meant to. Think of our Guru Nanak Dev Ji who was renowned for his travels. I do agree that the gurudawara and the comittees have a lot more to do when organising these events and they should take responsibility for the stalls, stands and food outlets that are allowed to attend, or they should stay out of them all together and make it clear that this is not a religous event. and if the commitee that organised the mela that you went to that had alcohol and meat stands then i say they are CRAZY FOOLS!!!!! so cut your jibber jabber. I SEE WHAT YOU SAYING BRO BUT I WAS SPEAKING TO A SINGH IN BIRMINGHAM ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR AND HE SAID ITS A GOOD CHANCE TO PROMOTE SIKHI AND THEN WE JUST SAW WHAT HAPPEND AT THE MELA THERE. I THINK IT IS JUST THE ATMOSPHERE OF THESE MELAS THAT CANT BE CHANGED. MORE NEGATIVES THAN POSITIVES. COMMITTEES JUST WANT THERE OWN 'BALE BALE' AND DONT CARE ABOUT SIKHI REALLY.

yeah, like lets hav a sikh version of the taleban and ban all music, cultural activities, dress up as ninjas so no one can look at us, have our own sikh only schools, segregate ourselves from all the other communities we live in, call everyone a racist if we dont get our own way, apply for government grants to build the biggest gurudawaras under the guise of they will be for the whole community and all will be welcome and then fight in them between ourselves and ban people we dont like from coming to them and pay for the police to come with metal detectors on the days we change the commitees so we dont get unwanted people attending... etc. etc. jus kiddin..! :devil: crazy fools WHY YOU CALLING CRAZY??? AND WHO YOU CALLING A FOOL?????? IF YOU GOT NO RESPECT FOR OPINIONS OF YOUR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. YOU ARE TAKING THE MICKY OUT OF SOMEONE BY CALLING THEM A TALEBAN BUT YET YOURSELF YOU ARE JUDGING THEM AND STEREOTYPING THEM. LOOK AT YOURSELVES IN THE MIRROR. THE LAST MELA I WENT TO HAD ALCOHOL AND MEAT STANDS. THE COMMITTEE SAID "WHAT CAN WE DO?" BUT HEY AT LEAST THEY AINT 'CRAZY FOOLS'.

IS THIS A JOKE? SUNDELAND ENSURING RESPECT FOR GURU JI? OR DID I READ IT WRONG? SUNDELAND IS WHERE THEY HAVE A BAR NEXT TO THE GURDWARA AND HELD A GIG ON THEIR PREMISES. http://www.sikhsangat.org/ssn/publish/Engl...ly_Window.shtml

YOU WILL BE WAITING A LONG TIME. HAVE YOU GOT LOCAL SANGAT WHO CARE WITH YOU?

SANGAT INTERNATIONALLY CAN WRITE TO THESE GURDWARE. RING THESE GURDWARE. WE HERE NEED TO FIND SOLUTIONS NOW. DONT WAIT FOR NO R4G TO DO ANYTHING. THEY ONLY DEAL WITH WEDDINGS.

WAS THERE A MARBLE PIECE? IF SO THEN THIS IS ANOTHER SIGN OF OUR LOVING QUAM, WHO LOVE TO FORGIVE AND FORGET...EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY 22/23 YEARS AGO....IF IT WAS OUR DAD OR MUM WHO HAD BEEN KILLED WE WOULD NOT HAVE FORGOTTEN. SO IS THIS THE WORK OF OUR LOVELY PEACE LOVING NISHKAM BROTHERS....WHO THINK WE LIVE IN TIMES OF PEACE...WHEN WE HAVE WARS GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD?

IF YOU ARE AMRITDHARI AND YOU HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL DAY THEN YOU HAVE GOT ALOT TO WORRY ABOUT BRO. THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS: THAT SOMEONE SPECIAL YOU GOT IS MY SISTER...AND YOUR SISTER (UNLESS YOU MARRIED HER OR ARE ENGAGED).....SO NO DO NOT ENGAGE IN RELATIONSHIPS.

WHERE WE ARE, as you put it kuljeet is in a realm of fantasy as you stated “you imagine” this is where the problem arises. The question is not the limitations of Guru for that there is no dispute. The question is do the means justify the end? What I am implying is, is it moral to state fiction or a lie in order to bring people to a “righteous” end? YOU ASKED: If death is liberation why would the Guru bring anyone back from it? I COMMENTED ON THAT. NOW YOU ARE SAYING: What I am implying is, is it moral to state fiction or a lie in order to bring people to a “righteous” end? I IMAGINE IT IS WRONG. I ONLY IMAGINE BECAUSE MAHARAJ STATES TREAT LIFE LIKE A DREAM/A PLAY....IT IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT THAT YOU TRY TO ACHIEVE LIBERATION. IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT THE STORY IS FALSE...IT IS OTHERS OPINION THAT IT IS NOT....YOU HAVE MADE YOUR LITTLE POINT SO JUST PUT A SOCK IN IT. YOU HAVE MADE YOUR LITTLE POINT SO JUST PUT A SOCK IN IT. Would that be an imaginary sock one or a real one? You carry on dreaming and coexisting with the rest of your buddies in the land of the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause somewhere between Never land and Oz. Factually speaking based on some of the claims that are made on this forum people are reducing the Fact of Sikhi to a piece of fiction. The truth will always remain be it cold and uncompromising, even well after the fantasists and dreamers have long gone. Good luck building a nation on the foundation of lies; will this be the great Khalsa state? SAT SRI AKAL DID I SAY I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE VERSIONS? WHY YOU ARE SOO MUCH ON THE DEFENSIVE I DONT UNDERSTAND...WHAT MAKES ME A FANATIC? MAHARAJ HAS TOLD US THAT LIFE IS A DREAM, TREAT LIFE LIKE A PLAY, WE COME AND GO.....HENCE I GUESS I HAVE DEVELOPED AN IMAGINATION....I APLOGISE IF BY ME SAYING 'I IMAGINE' HAS OFFENDED YOU DANCING WARRIOR....WHO ARE YOU WISHING GOOD LUCK TO? THE REST OF US LOST SOULS? THE REST OF THE PANTH? NEXT TIME I WILL REMEMBER THAT YOU ALONE DANCING WARRIOR HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS...THE REST OF US MERE MORTALS ARE JUST LOOKING UP AT YOUR BIG HEAD IN OWE.....I HOPE I HAVEN'T MADE ANY SPELLING ERRORS....IF I HAVE I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE DANCING WARRIOR VEER JI/PEN JI.

WHERE WE ARE, as you put it kuljeet is in a realm of fantasy as you stated “you imagine” this is where the problem arises. The question is not the limitations of Guru for that there is no dispute. The question is do the means justify the end? What I am implying is, is it moral to state fiction or a lie in order to bring people to a “righteous” end? YOU ASKED: If death is liberation why would the Guru bring anyone back from it? I COMMENTED ON THAT. NOW YOU ARE SAYING: What I am implying is, is it moral to state fiction or a lie in order to bring people to a “righteous” end? I IMAGINE IT IS WRONG. I ONLY IMAGINE BECAUSE MAHARAJ STATES TREAT LIFE LIKE A DREAM/A PLAY....IT IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT THAT YOU TRY TO ACHIEVE LIBERATION. IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT THE STORY IS FALSE...IT IS OTHERS OPINION THAT IT IS NOT....YOU HAVE MADE YOUR LITTLE POINT SO JUST PUT A SOCK IN IT.

YEH I AGREE WITH THIS TOTALLY....BUT SHAME OUR PRINCESSES ARE DRAGGING THEIR PRINCES AWAY FROM DOING SEWA THESE DAYS....THAT IS OBVIOUSLY IF THE PRINCE WANTS TO SEWA IN THE FIRST PLACE. SORRY OFF THE TOPIC MAYBE?

WE ARE NOT PROMISED HEAVEN AND VIRGINS....SO FOR US DOES IT MATTER WHERE WE ARE?

Hello Cartman, Are you saying the Guru performed a Miracle by decapitating the five beloved? If so was this reflective of The Gurus way? What do you think? Did GOD not make the Kaaba rotate? Did GOD not perform the Panja Sahib miracle ? Did GOD not perform the miracle of the blood and milk from roti? Did GOD not perform the miracle of Guru Nanak & the Grazing Buffaloes? And many many more, all done via the Gurus, do you doubt this?? If death is liberation why would the Guru bring anyone back from it? IS DEATH LIBERATION? I WOULD IMAGINE EVERY SINGH/KAUR WOULD WANT TO COME BACK TO DO MORE SEWA OF THE PANTH.

HOW DO YOU CONTACT YOUR LOCAL MP NOW?

LOL...THE CAMPAIGN....YOU FOR REAL....WHY DONT YOU GO THERE AND CONFIRM IT...THE QUESTION IS WHY WOULD THE DJ SAY IT IS AT THE GURDWARA?? HE HAS NO MOTIVE TO LIE.

JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE WHOLE QUESTION DOES NOT APPLY...'SIKHISM' SOUNDS LIKE A RELIGION TO ME...SIKHI IS A WAY OF LIFE....BUT PUTTING IT INTO A CATEGORY FITS PERFECTLY INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE WE TRY TO PLEASE TODAY...WE DO NOT TRY TO PLEASE OUR GURU, BUT INSTEAD WE TRY PLEASING SOCIETY AND GOVERNMENTS....EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG AND EVIL THEMSLEVES....WE HAVE TO PLEASE PEOPLE AS WE HAVE NO POWER, AND MOST IMPORTANT WE HAVE NO FAITH IN OUR GURU.