BhForce

On 8/3/2023 at 2:22 PM, Guest Patit said:

Looking for advice, me and my now wife while we were engaged due to the power of Kaam we fell from the path of Sikhi and committed adultery.

Just a note: the word "adultery" means, being married, you have sex with someone else. Your situation is pre-marital sex, though fortunately, it was with the woman you married.

16 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

yes and after that, think about why you are engaged for so long, instead of getting anand karaj?

Yeah, that's the point. It's not recommended to have these long engagement periods and constantly being in touch with each other. Leave aside the situation above, it also leads to breakups.

17 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

@BhForce read the qts to this

I didn't understand.

I also didn't quite understand what Razib Khan was suggesting. I had never heard of him before. 

Is he trying to suggest that Sikhs are violent and they also "get away with it" and so therefore if someone else wants to do something violent, they should just don a turban?

If so, he should look in the mirror. He's of the community that carries signs saying "Behead those who say Islam is violent", LOL.

I'm guessing this is why Bhagat Namdev ji calls Muslims blind in one eye:

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ॥
The Hindu is blind and the Muslim is one-eyed.

ਦੁਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥
The Giani is the wiser of the two. p874

(By the way, Manmohan Singh translated "giani" as "the Lord Divine", I suppose to not upset the Hindus and Muslims.)

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past: the Greeks doubted the Mycaenans could’ve lifted the giant stones used in their buildings present: people doubt Jassa Singh Ahluwalia could eat a goat a day future: people will doubt I drank a gallon of milk a day, ate 5 pronthay on saturdays, and repped 225 lbs

Guru Kalgidhar Di Fauj

 

@kalgidhardifauj

The great Sardaar Jassa Singh Aluwhalia, Jathedaar of Budda Dal. His daily diet would consist of 1 ser of Ghee and 4 ser of Suger for breakfast. He would also consume a whole goat, daily. - Jassa Singh Binod Granth written by Ram Sukh Rao

I don't want to get into a debate on meat and I'm not promoting eating meat, but I do want to say we're not the equal of the old-time Singhs. (And this is not due to eating meat vs veg. I mean, how many men do you know who would be the equal of Jassa Singh Aluwhalia even if they do eat meat?)

This is a great reminder to build our bodies.

20 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Let's not beat around the bush, the majority of jutts are stanis.  

I phrased it that way to avoid somebody pulling up population statistics saying 49.999995% of Jatts are Muslim, 25.01% are Sikh and 24.99% are Hindu. But yeah, a great number of Jatts are Muslim at this time.

On 8/15/2023 at 8:04 PM, Guest SINGH said:

I cant even attend Gurudwara Sahib as i feel so much anxiety meeting people there.

Start off small. Go in the early morning (Amrit vela) when almost nobody is there.

If you happen on someone, just say Fateh. Don't engage in conversation, just Fateh and move on.

You can proceed from there.

Also, read Gurbani.

9 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

But i guess our ancestors were mainly Muslims that converted to Sikhi at some point in history right.. like Punjabis ''Jatts' Sikhs are mainly Muslims or is it Hindus..

Well, if you're talking about Jatts, the Jatts were not "Muslims orginally".

They were simply Jatts. Their religion was not Hinduism, either (worship of the 3 devtas and their avtars plus fealty to Brahmins). Rather, they were ancestor-worshippers. That was their religion.

Some became (or were forced to become Muslims). Others became Sikhs. Still others became Hindus.

These days, a majority of Jatts are non-Sikhs (Muslims in Pakistan or Hindus in the eastern areas).

18 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

The Hajoor Sahib Singhs married were originally Nihang Singhs who married hindu women, and some hindu women still marry them. sikhi is strong amongst them and they don't cut their hair at all! They still have strong connections to the current Nihang Singhs.

The point is, if the Singh is strong he won't allow any backsliding into Hinduism (or whatever). Also, such matters such be discussed and fully accepted before the engagement.

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

I cant believe Singh fathers are okay giving their daughter to bahaman families. 

Well, no, sis, I'm not talking about girls marrying Hindu men. That's prohibited by rehitnamas, SGPC SRM, and common sense.

I'm talking only about Sikh men accepting Hindu wifes (as a 2nd wife).

This could only work for strong Panthic Singhs who will make it clear the maryada to be followed. No idol worship.

The first wife (born Sikh) will ensure Sikh maryada as well. And she has to be on board with the plan (to increase Sikh numbers).

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

Look at christians jews muslims esp evangelicals Hasidic they are having 10+ kids back to back

I agree that we need quantity.

On 7/15/2020 at 1:26 PM, Kau89r8 said:

growing up my mum would always say be careful no matter how 'religious' they appear and would warn not to talk anyone alone Gurdwaras when used to go Punjabi classes 

Exactly. This is what I always wonder when I hear about the Catholic priest scandals, etc: Why are parents leaving children alone with strangers?

In fact the best thing would be for parents to also be at the Punjabi/Sikh classes. It doesn't have to be the mothers of every single child.

Just a mother or two in the room will keep things clean.

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean you should do things that you wouldn't with any other person. That goes for lawyers, bankers, engineers, whatever.

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm not on that birth rate thing -  I don't know how useful it is to have higher birth rates if we are giving birth to multiple fudhus. 

We all acknowledge there are a lot of idi ots in the Panth. But just think about the average American and how stupid he is. Half of them are dumber than that. 

My point is having 150 million dumb people doesn't stop the US from being the greatest power on earth.

Quantity is useful.

9 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Read that it was normal Singhs to have more than 1 wive back in the days.?. was it not like this during misl era. to help  population rise...during MRS regin and before partition? 

It's hard to tell exactly what percent of Singhs had more than one wife. But some did.

Yet, if you think about it, it would seem difficult for a community to grow its numbers by some men marrying multiple women. I mean, if there are 100 men, and 50 of them take two wives, there are no women left for 50 men.

One way around this might be to accept women from other communities (like Hindus). The incentive might be: we'll accept a marriage proposal without daaj (dowry). 

The Hindu family gets to marry off their daughter without spending money while the Sikh numbers grow.

On 8/4/2023 at 7:01 AM, Raj1 said:

Is it true that Bhatra Sikhs have their own code language ?

Bro, seriously?

This has troll written all over it.

Either:

1. Someone told you "Bhatra Sikhs have their own code language"

Or

2. You want to tell other people that Bhatra Sikhs have their own code language, but not make the statement yourself, so you phrased it in the form of a question.

Anyways, could you clarify which of the two above it is?

On 5/4/2020 at 10:44 PM, akaaliKhalsa1699 said:

can someone explain if suraj parkash is right or wrong?

Bro, asking if Suraj Prakash is "right" is a wrongheaded question.

Any statement you care to make, other than Gurbani, is potentially "wrong". Even if you make a statement about the rate of acceleration of a mass, it can be wrong in another context.

Suraj Prakash isn't Gurbani.

On 5/4/2020 at 10:44 PM, akaaliKhalsa1699 said:

why is it reliable if it was written in 1843, which was way after guru jis time.

It's a compendium of our history in poetic form.

There may be some sakhis that are inaccurate. It's not a big deal.

If we start removing every single thing written after 1708, we'll have nothing. And that's exactly what our enemies want.

There's room for Gursikh discussion of individual sakhis.

On 5/4/2020 at 10:44 PM, akaaliKhalsa1699 said:

I follow taksal maryada and i havent quite understood why the taksal has chosen to do suraj parkash parchar. 

It's really simple: Because Gurbani says to read sakhis.

On 8/5/2023 at 8:58 PM, GurukaSinghh said:

A sampling of the fake, mischievous and utterly blasphemous of the Sooraj Parkash in in order.

Welcome to the forum, bro.

But since this is your only post, I'd like to ask if the entirety of your Sikhi practice is hatred of Suraj Prakash?

If you have jeevan (Sikh lifestyle), a few strange sakhis written into the fourteen volumes of Suraj Prakash won't affect you and you will simply ignore them.

So, is this all you were able to come up with? (Or the other 15?)

What book is it that you are quoting from?

Finally, if you have any life experience at all, you know that stories get twisted from the original happening. And likely, that may have happened in certain episodes from Suraj Prakash.

If you're an expert in Suraj Prakash, you would know that the Taksal kathakars don't do katha of problematic sections of Suraj Prakash. So, what's the problem?

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

I never saw anyone do what you described with that 'crazy uncle'. I came across the ideas of 'erotic stories' and 'Hindu stories' etc. from written works. Hell, I might have easily been one of those uncles, without Guru ji's nadar.  

Lol.

What usually sets them off is something so simple and innocuous. Like an extended family member is in the hospital and somebody pipes up and says, hey, why don't we do Chaupai Sahib for his rakhia?

This unbalances the Uncleji for a double whammy: First that he thinks Chapai isn't Sri Mukhvaak. Second, the idea of praying to God for intercession in the world upsets him.

Even though Guru Granth Sahib ji talks in innumerable places (even in Rehras) about intercession. Ahem, Prahlad? Namdev ji?

So the Uncleji starts lecturing. And people start glancing at each other as in "What is happening??".

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think getting caught up in pointless controversies is a rabbit hole. Cultivate your own buddhi so you don't fall for anyone else's misconceptions.  

The vast majority of people just look on these controversies like watching a tennis game. Back and forth, back and forth.

And they have no idea what the 2 sides are talking about. They think, Oh, he made a good point. And then, Oh, he made a good rebuttal.

They'll spend a hundred hours listening to debates. But won't spend a hundred hours just reading Guru Granth Sahib ji and Dasam Granth Sahib themselves.

5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

That's similar to my experience, all the demonisation of DG and especially CP I encountered from texts growing up, ultimately just led me to them and made me look at the in more detail when I was old enough to make my own opinion. Sometimes these 'controversies' have that reverse effect. lol

We've all been there. You think you're sitting down to a pleasant extended family gathering.

Actually, the crazy Uncleji has a different thing in mind: Ranting that Dasam Granth is pro-drugs and fornication.

In your mind, you're like: "Not this again!"

For the hundredth time, it's a character in the CP who is portrayed as a baddie who is speaking in favor of drugs.

When people make wild claims like that, it just strengthens the thought they are desperately making stuff up to sully the Dasam Bani.

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't know, but whilst he might be miles off the mark there, he might be on point here.  

We should all use this approach. Unfortunately, some of the more hardcore missionaries refuse to so much as dialogue with mainstream Sikhs.

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Some of this has been done:

https://www.discoversikhism.com/sikh_library/english/psychoanalysis_of_dr_w_h_mcleod.html

Interesting. Thanks. 

Isn't the author JS Mann a hardcore anti-Dasam?

Even if he his, that's fine. I think the anti-Dasam crowd has done good work in the anti-McLeod field.

One of the reasons I say I'd rather fight it out with Sikh brothers is because I don't think the Missionary nonsense is permanent. There's something called reversion to norm.

A cranky Uncleji might be anti-Dasam, and going on and on about this Charitar or that section of Chandi until his family and relatives get bored, but the pursuing generations will just go right back to matha-teking to Guru Granth Sahib ji, and visiting the "dreaded" Hazur Sahib and reading Chaupai Sahib.

On 1/27/2023 at 10:04 AM, dallysingh101 said:

I've been reading this for the last few days. I think it's a really good study, and quite stimulating to read. I recommend it for everyone. 

(Don't take any of my rants as an attack on you. They are attacks on the Orientalists.)

I would love to see one of us produce a study on "Sikh Studies professors". Just like they love to study us as weird, exotic, irrational creatures, I'd love to see them portrayed for the ego-maniac, backstabbing grant-hoggers that they are.

From the Amazon summary:

"The Dasam Granth is a 1,428-page anthology of diverse compositions attributed to the tenth Guru of Sikhism, Guru Gobind Singh, and a topic of great controversy among Sikhs. The controversy stems from two major issues: a substantial portion of the Dasam Granth relates tales from Hindu mythology, suggesting a disconnect from normative Sikh theology; and a long composition entitled Charitropakhian tells several hundred rather graphic stories about illicit liaisons between men and women."

So here's a question: Why in the world would an average gora care about this arcane aspect of a minority foreign religion? He wouldn't. 

It would be like some weird debate about the various branches of Buddhism.

So I see that the only reason this could be published is because of funding from university grants organizations and university presses, which publish these sorts of things for basically the exclusive customer base of other college libraries.

This makes me think that "they" (the university industrial complex which produced McLeod) could just as easily produce anti-DG and also anti-Guru Granth Sahib ji works.

Which is why I want them to stay out

10 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm super suspicious of western works myself, but I read this, and I think it was spot on.

I think a lot of us have been through the "oh, look, a Westerner acknowledges Sikhism!" stage.

Where I am now, I don't care to "make another Macauliffe", so to speak. That's the origin of McLeod. Sikhs thought he'd be another expositor of Sikhism to the gore.

All these Orientalists can't exist with the "native informer". The native informer is the guy on the inside who gives information to the gora, which uses to colonialize us, defeat us, or write books about us.

Things could change, but at this point I don't think I really care if goray think we're a violent "warrior religion" a ala Kim Bolan (racist reporter for the Vancouver Sun) or are sympathetic like Christopher Shackle.

In fact, I think I might prefer goray think we're unhinged (even though we're not).
 

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

This site doesn't allow you to upload books like that, that's why you have to get it from the other one. It has the complete work now. 

Do you have to create a log in for it to be visible?

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

Try now, I put a new link in the first post. If you have any issues downloading, let me know. 

Could you just put the link here?

The Google Books link just leads to a preview (which shows only footnotes and not the body of the book).

On 1/27/2023 at 12:29 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I can actually agree with this paragraph, while also desiring for her to stay the hell out of our business.

For her, the "Dasam Granth" is an object of study. It might as well be the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Code of Hammurabi for her. It's just a "text", an item for her to transform into a study, which then transforms into a professorship, which transforms in money, grants, awards, and gratification of her hankar (ego).

For us, the Dasam Granth Sahib is not object of study. It is our Guru's bani. It is the vehicle through which our Guru breathes the spirit of martial resistance into our Panth. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib is a living manifestation of our Miri, not a dead "text".