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  1. What would be best would be to have these channels and organizations under the direction of the Akal Takhat, like the various Catholics charities, missions, orders and monasteries are under the control of the Vatican, in some way or another. But we are far to unorganized and divided for that.
  2. Umm, it's 57 countries. Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: https://www.oic-oci.org/
  3. He's proud of attending a wedding with a bunch of rich big-wigs who are sucking Punjab dry? These are the people about whom Guru Nanak ji said: ਰਾਜੇ ਸੀਹ ਮੁਕਦਮ ਕੁਤੇ ॥ rājē sīh mukadam kutē . (Raajey) the kings have become (seeh) lions – exploit people at will, (mukadam) the officials have become (kutey = dogs) hounds – who prey on innocent people. (Asa Di Vaar) Guru ji has disdain for these sorts of people: ਵਡੇ ਵਡੇ ਜੋ ਦੀਸਹਿ ਲੋਗ ॥ (Vade vade) the people of high status (jo deeseh log) that we see; ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਬਿਆਪੈ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਰੋਗ ॥੧॥ (tin kau = to them) they are (biapai rog)
  4. One thing to note about these people is they always refer to Guru Nanak ji as "Baba Nanak", never Guru Nanak. Now, it's fine to say Baba (Bhai Gurdas ji uses the word for Guru ji.) But the point is they never say Guru. He also runs down a litany of people who were comrades, including Bhagat Singh, Kartar Singh Sarabha, and Gadri Babas. They were comrades because they thought that Sikhi and Marxism had some commonalities. They were mistaken. But today, if you want to sneak Marxism in by the back way, we should not allow them.
  5. Unbelievable. 1. See that it's Punjabi Hindus bringing this out. What about Sikhs? They're the sell-outs! 2. How is this different from Longowal, Badal, Barnala and that whole crew writing letters to Indira asking for the invasion of Darbar Sahib in 1984 to get rid of Sant ji? 3. Some of you "moderates" aren't going to like this, but you can tell that these "farmer leaders" have to love for Sikhi because they wear green turbans. Green and red are colors specifically banned in the Khalsa Panth. The Singhs didn't wear green because it's a Muslim color. Red because Hindu.
  6. Honestly, I think, for now, you just have to work on yourself. Get mentally calm. Read bani. Do sangat. Earn money and save it up. Later, you can approach her. Also, she will respect you if you have something in the bank.
  7. Agree. Also, he doesn't need to do Anand Karaj because he's already done Anand Karaj. There is no "divorce ceremony" in our religion. He's already still married to her, in Guru ji's eyes.
  8. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for eating beef or beef production. All I'm saying is it makes more sense to interpret that line from Uggradanti (ਗਊ) as the innocent and meek as opposed to interpreting it as calling for a pro-cow crusade.
  9. OK, it's fine to say that we love cows in the way that we love horses. The Bahman doesn't love horses. I think you're taking Guru ji's tuk in Uggradanti: ਅਸੁਰ ਮਾਰ ਕਰ ਰੱਛ ਗਉਅਨ ਕਰੀਜੈ।। Kill the demons, protect the cows. a bit too literally, bro. ਗਊ should be read as "innocent, loving creatures" not one specific species of bovines. If you think ਗਊ just refers to cows, how do you interpret this line from Akal Ustat: ਹਾਥੀ ਕੀ ਪੁਕਾਰ ਪਲ ਪਾਛੈ ਪਹੁਚਤ ਤਾਹਿ ਚੀਟੀ ਕੀ ਚਿੰਗਾਰ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਹੀ ਸੁਨੀਅਤੁ ਹੈਂ॥ ॥੪॥੨੫੬॥ The cry of an elephant reaches (God) a second after; the cry of an ant rea
  10. No problem! Feel free to disagree, because in our Panth, the rule is "Hanne Hanne Meer" (On every saddle, an Emir).
  11. The reason we are unable to produce leaders is because we are not following Guru's mat (Gurmat). Gurmat culture is different in the following ways: In the Khalsa, Rattan Singh Bhangu says in Panth Prakash that there was ਹੰਨੇ ਹੰਨੇ ਮੀਰ (i.e, an Emir on every saddle). Everyone was a Sardar. It wasn't one dictator and the rest blind followers like slavish Indians. In the Khalsa Panth, there is respect for learning and wisdom, not just age. Bhai Gurdas ji contrasts Hindus with Sikhs: Meaning, among the Hindus, they slavishly bow to the Bahman. But the Sikhs respect eac
  12. I think you may not be familiar with the rehitnamas that state that Khalsa should not use cow dung for preparation of Guru's langar. Yeah, I know that plenty of people in the pinds use it, but the Khalsa rehit forbids it because the Khalsa disdains the Brahmin's worship of the cow.
  13. This, by the way, is why Khalsa Panth is the 3rd Panth. The Muslims cut their "banned word filters" off, and Hindus pour milk on them, bow to them, and carry them around on their necks. No wonder Gurbani says: ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ Nā ham hindū na muslamān ॥ I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.
  14. Of course. I fully agree. 1. My post was a funny response to yours, making fun of the Muslims, all the while. 2. While Guru ji was indeed referring to circumcision, the very direct way in which he did so encourages us not to be so stupid as to cut off (parts of) our organs. As far as Guru ji is concerned, the ones who cut (parts of) their organs off are as silly as the ones who carry them in a thread around their necks: ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਲਿੰਗ ਗਰੇ ਲਟਕਾਇਓ (From morning nitnem Savwaye)
  15. Obviously. But I've actually had conversations with Amritdharis who think having a lot of children is maya. If that's what you think, you might as well not get married! Granted, this is just a general impression, but from what I've seen the average mona is built. And far to many Amritdharis are puny weaklings.
  16. 1. No references are needed because this a part of oral transmission. Every amritdhari Singh knows the rehit and the procedures for peshi. If you believe in the very concept of amrit sanchar, you must believe in peshi, because before you can hold amrit sanchar, all 5 (plus the granthi Singh) have to present themselves before the others in order to make sure they are not patit. So, peshi is inherently part of Guru Gobind Singh ji's jugt (method). You should stop being infatuated with the Western obsessions over "documentation". The way they think, if they were to lose their birth
  17. On what basis do you doubt that? All the Sikh fighters would take khanda amrit. Now, you might suppose that some "shardaloos" who liked Guru Nanak ji didn't take amrit, but it doesn't make sense that such a person would take the risk in becoming a warrior but be afraid to take amrit.
  18. I'm not saying I know better than Guru ji. I've posted elsewhere that according to Guru Gobind Singh ji, a Sikh's tree dries and withers if his son cuts his hair. The question is not whether Sikhs should cut their hair. The question is whether to be nasty to people who have cut their hair because they didn't know better. I see no point in being mean to them. Just be friendly and in a group situation you can explain Sikh way of worship, Sikh history, keertan, naam simran, and also rehit including kes.
  19. Bro, what % are the Sunnis of Bahrain? The population is Shia. Secondly, there's nothing to say that the Mullahs would have had the same power without state support. The Punjabis who became Muslims by force could have been told you don't have to follow the Mullahs anymore. Just reverting to folk religions would have been fine.
  20. Yeah, while I think there are plenty of monas who are shardhaloo of Guru ji and are pro-Panth, marrying a Hindu woman is a different thing (unless she has agreed to raise the children not to be idol-worshippers). I believe that Valerie Kaur who has done some good work is married to a Madrasi. If you really believed in the Panth, why wouldn't you marry in it? (Again, moni marries mona, kesadhari marries kessadhari, Amritdhari Amritdhari.)
  21. Yeah, one thing we have to face is the vast majority of people are manmukhs: ਹੈਨਿ ਵਿਰਲੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਘਣੇ ਫੈਲ ਫਕੜੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥੧੨॥ The Saints are few and far between; everything else in the world is just a pompous show. ||12|| They are worshippers of maya, and therefore they blindly listen to whatever mayadharis tell them. To the extent possible, we can and should use mayadharis without being bitten by the snake of maya: ਮਾਇਆ ਹੋਈ ਨਾਗਨੀ ਜਗਤਿ ਰਹੀ ਲਪਟਾਇ ॥ Maya is a serpent, clinging to the world.
  22. You talking about Mohammedans, bro? ਮਹਾਦੀਨ ਤਬਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਅਰਬ ਦੇਸ ਕੋ ਕੀਨੋ ਰਾਜਾ ॥੨੬॥ ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਏਕੁ ਪੰਥੁ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਲਿੰਗ ਬਿਨਾ ਕੀਨੇ ਸਭ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ Bachittar Natak ਅ. ੬ - ੨੭/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ Then the Lord created Mahadeen (Mohammed). He made him King of Arabia. He also created a Panth. He made them all kings without peni ses.
  23. Yeah, but then if we had to leave Pakistan 100%, what about Nankana Sahib? The real solution, that I see, would have been to not let the British win in the first place. Then we have all the major Gurdawaras, and make treaties with Patna Sahib and Hazur Sahib areas. (The Maharaja was friendly with the Nizam of Hyderabad.)
  24. Yeah, you're right about the culture. But what hurts is it was built on Punjabi villages, and then populated by outsiders. That's why I want to give it back to the original villagers. (India wants reparations from UK doesn't it? Fair play.)
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