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Why did the newspaper draw a picture of mohammed? How would us sikhs feel if derogatory pictures of our gurus was drawn? Why did the newspaper target muslims?

im talking about in terms of education. These guys go to america and are well educated and also they are forward thinking and a bit more open about their girls. Compare this with pashtuns and mirpuris they are quite the opposite. Lahore has christians and sikhs living there even today...

is this good or bad? Wernt they exiled from kashmir after bhutto made that speech to muslim kashmiris to take kashmir cos they are muslim. These are the original kashmiris i have a lot of respect for them living there for so many centuries and not confiding

the bhangra seen is long gone, not that it was any good with all the drinking songs.. I like bhangra even though people do oppose it just dont like vulgar lyrics. Also the UK punjabi people have little or no intrest in religion and its just getting worse and worse sadly.. Pakistanis are living as if they are in the 80s and there are skinheads left,right and centre. But things have changed and Im happy sikhs aren't out in gangs dealing drugs and trying to bash people who arent punjabi or whatever cos that is just sick. But again im also sad how people just dont care about the religion anymore. So many goreh say to me your sikh and you dont drink, sikhs are the biggest drinkers.. People actual think we are allowed to drink. I actually wonder if all sikhs kept a pagh and werent drinking + were vegeterian etc how much abuse we would get from goreh for demanding our rights and following our religion and not wanting to conform to there way off life... I guess the exception is an amrathadri will try make as much effort as possible in having a wide range of friends and not judging as that is what is so beautiful about the faith.

like in central london arab people, pakistanis in parts of london, aylesbury have some pakistanis and they arent all that bad they mix with a lot of english people. In hounslow sikhs and pakistanis are cool. Turkish people in north london. Its just areas where people come from kashmiri villages etc where they havent lived with other religions etc. But yeh there are a lot of bad areas too... I know bham is one of the worst. If you meet punjabis from lahore and faislabad a lot have similar culture and are more friendly.

have u noticed how educated muslim areas dont have this gang and hating, its only poor muslim immigrants

it may be coming your way in the next 20 years.. spread that video. I would like to think its mainly some mirpuris who are the trouble makers. But when you see people like saiful islam and also that lady with niqab who i believe are Bangladeshi it does make you wonder about the religion... I know there are good arab people etc and even good punjabi pakistani lahori people, its a weird one.

Also I like it when mirpuris for example say IM PATHAN but really they are chowhdury or raja or my family used to be sikhs thinking you will convert or something because of this, yeh right...I just say yeh my family used to be muslim as well you can check out my name they came from some central asian country lol

i meant practising, you wouldnt see them in clubs...

those leaders began following guru nanak dev jis teaching as he openly criticized practices which were wrong i.e praying to the kabba which people started doing after mohamed died. Also answer my q on pakistani corruption and real sikh girls...

lets be fair was it more muslims converting sikhs or vice versa? I know some muslims converted to sikihi, especially in a bhullar village (I read this somewhere)

did he get bullied at school by sikhs or something? Whats with him trying to point out all the faults with our community and then trying to portray our religion as the problem, he should have good experience of this first hand. Actually I have to say even though arabs invaded everywhere they probably have more respect for sikhs than some people closer to home, I wouldnt know I just know theres some in central london and they never cause a fuss.

what about during the gurus time where muslims became sikhs, these must have been persian/ arab people, are there any speific areas in india where these people reside or were they mixed into different 'castes' after this period? what about those places where guru nanak dev ji visted where the locals adapted to some of sikhis principles like in africa they called guru ji 'gulu' or what about the place 'baba hassan' which was named after guru nanak dev ji? Any people in these places following sikhi?

i thought they had converted, didnt know they were migrants like afghan ones. Also yeh I think they might be white and not iranain, a lot of iranians look like english boys lol i.e features and blue eyes

well she was young and it was either that or die? A young sikh girl in a 100% azad kashmir muslim population, would she be allowed to stay sikh? You tell me son?! You must have seen this in history its well documented :biggrin2: you every read the history of punjab? Its not just sikh people saying this people from outside have observed forced conversions for centuries. Do you know where raja and chowdhury comes from? People from kashmir and mirpur are so proud of these two castes, who were their ancestors? I really didnt know pakistani punjabis like you existed, i.e hypocrites who deny everything but now I know there are bad apples like you. I heard on the radio one muslim guy from faislabad he said hes proud that his family originate from jahalandhar and hindustan,he knows his roots and he would be happy for his son or daughter to marry a non muslim and he wouldnt like to convert them, he says hes not a perfect muslim... This is a true punjabi not a fake which has been brainwashed by pathans and arabs lol

Like I said are these 70% of girls actually following sikhism. Have you seen a sikh girl wearing a turban or one with uncut hair going out with a muslim. If you answer yes il put my hands up and say your right Btw merry christamas, we do live in a western country :giggle:

i want you to ask the 'sikh' girls who marry 'muslim' guys how much they know about sikhism, and how often they go gudwara... If they know a lot il put my hands up and say fair enough sikh girls dont like the religion and marry out

so why can guys go out with whoever they want but girls cant? Your telling me thats fair, turn the other cheek! Your so proud of your people why you coming here to find faults, are you insecure? I can give you a hundred faults with pakistan right now etc, even though india is bad as well but compared to pakistan its thriving, which is funny because 20 or 30 years ago it was pakistan who was thriving but intolerance and extremism has ruined the country you guys wanted so badly. I think instead of partition it may have been better for you guys to go live in afghanistan or arabia if you didnt want to live with others... O wait I dont think those people would have accepted you,they dont even care about people being opressed in kashmir, but you make so much noise for palestine, Now Im sorry but this is the truth hope it wasnt harsh and didnt hurt. :ohno: Btw your name sounds bengali malalang bashahah

also you respect the bibiji for reverting back to her original faith after her forced conversion?

i agree the ones in america and canada are much nicer. They arent bigoted like you and also pakistani women are much more librel in the US and canada, some even get married to sikhs incase you didnt know lol Also I have to give it to mirpuris for speaking their pahari they dont speak urdu which makes people sound like wimps lol same goes with hindi

Just want to point out that these people arent punjabi but mirpuri. Punjabi pakistanis seem to be educated.

happened in my family, but my family didnt want my girl relatives back, so sad...

wasnt heston by any chance?

Last Updated: Friday, 5 December, 2003, 13:31 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Reunion heals partition wounds By Zulfiqar Ali BBC correspondent in Muzaffarabad Harbans Kore hugs daughter Zeenat Bibi at the reunion A 77-year-old Indian woman who has had two homelands, two husbands and two religions has finally brought her family together after decades of separation. "My wish was to see my children again once in my lifetime and my wish has come true," said Harbans Kore at the family reunion in Pakistan. Ms Kore, a Sikh, had travelled from the Indian city of Ahmedabad to meet the Muslim son and daughter she had not seen for more than 40 years. Ms Kore's story began at the time of the partition of India and the creation of Pakistan in 1947. She and her husband were Kashmiri Sikhs living in the village of Pataika, 16 kilometres (11 miles) north-east of Muzaffarabad in what is now Pakistan-controlled Kashmir. Tensions between Muslims and those Hindus and Sikhs still living in the area were such that after a few years Ms Kore's husband fled to India. I wish she could stay with us but she cannot because she has to go back. She has a family there also Zeenat Bibi, daughter She was left behind. Assuming the husband had gone forever, Ms Kore converted to Islam, marrying a Muslim man named Hadayatullah. Together they had a son, Manzoor Hussein Awan, and a daughter, Zeenat Bibi. But in the mid-1950s, Ms Kore was forced to leave for India under an agreement between Islamabad and Delhi to reunite women with their original families. That was when her separation from daughter Zeenat and son Manzoor began. In India, Ms Kore re-converted to Sikhism and had another two daughters and a son with her first husband. Telephone contact For many years, the members of the divided family did not know of each other's whereabouts or even if they were alive. Then seven years ago Zeenat, now 53, and her brother, 48, found out through a relative that their mother was still alive. Brothers in arms Dalveer Singh and Manzoor Hussein Awan "It was just two years ago that we were able to locate her telephone number and then we spoke by telephone, wrote letters and exchanged pictures," said Zeenat. The family wanted to meet immediately but heightened tension between the now nuclear rivals India and Pakistan prevented it. It was not until the recent thaw and the resumption of a bus service between the Pakistani city of Lahore and India's capital, Delhi, in July that their dreams were realised. Ms Kore finally crossed back into Pakistan last week, accompanied by her Sikh son, Dalveer Singh, and her daughter-in-law. They were greeted by Zeenat and Manzoor, along with grandchildren and other family members, at the Wagah border crossing. One of Ms Kore's Sikh daughters joined the reunion this week, along with the daughter's husband and own daughter. Ancestral village Ms Kore said: "It is lovely to see my children after all these years. I am lucky to see my son and daughter and my grandchildren again after such a long time and I feel so happy." Until seven years ago the divided family had had no contact Ms Kore and other family members are staying with her family in Muzaffarabad until the middle of December. But one person Ms Kore could not be reunited with was her Muslim husband - he died two years after she left for India. Ms Kore wants to show her ancestral village to her Indian children but is not sure if the authorities in Muzaffarabad will allow her to go there. Zeenat said: "We know how we suffered all these years and how badly we missed our mother. I wish she could stay with us but she cannot because she has to go back. She has a family there also." Her only other regret was that her mother could not attend the wedding of her son last October. She invited the family but they could not get the visas or bus tickets in time. Manzoor said of the reunion: "We have been deprived of our mother's love and affection for more than four decades and now we are so happy to meet our mother and family. "It is the first time in my life I have found this happiness. Everybody is happy - my wife, my children, my sister and every member of our family that we are together again." Have any people here got relatives in pakistan?